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#6625 - 03/29/08 03:57 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: BaphNoir]
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 Originally Posted By: BaphNoir


Kayla.. Many thanks for your reply to my post.
I guess we have different understandings of what the NWO means.
My research has led me to believe plans for a one world fascist government, one world army , one world currency etc
The freedoms and liberties that we enjoy today would be wiped out completely in a proposed police state. There is evidenc of laws changing both in the USA and here in the UK which take our freedom and liberty away from us. Listening to the politcal rants from presidents and prime ministers with he mantra "you are either with us or the terrorists... with us or the terrorists" is said in the name of Christianity... which is NOT good news for Satanists if feel..
Lets sit down and first try to reason this one world order out together objectively first without our mind piecing things together that don't really fit, as it is inclined to do. I'm not arguing with you, we're just exchanging insites to get to the bottom of this. I could be very wrong or just not seeing it right.

Is it possible for a one world government to exist? yes, it is, but it would require, as you say a strict police state, because no common person, after tasting the fruits of liberty will put up with having it taken away perminently.

We'll first have to see how trans-geopolitical institutions like the European Union; and African Union fairs. These two entities aren't like America. Each member nation has its own homogenized citizenship, language, and culture. From what I see the EU isn't working all that well on a commoner level.

We already know that the United Nations is a totally incompetent institution that doesn't do much. Most of the UN member nations are poor, backwards socialist or faulty democratic third world nations leeching of of membership dues from rich nations.

If a one world gov would one day happen, these leech-nations would be a problem, because the said gov would not only have the trouble of keeping 6 billion people in check from revolting, but also they must take up the burden of nursing 4 billion poor people who can't do shit by themselves... this means lots of money the world gov must spend.

The closest thing we have to a one world army is NATO, and today it is ineffective; the only reason why the US is keeping NATO is because of the backup it gets from NATO; without which, and without the money from china, America would not be able to sustain a war on terror, let a lone take over the world.

Governments today barely get along with each other. We hate china and are doing what we can to stall their rise as a second superpower. This war on terror i think is just an excuse to take over certain countries to surround China: we (US) have Japan and Taiwan to the east of china; the Philippines and Australia to the south of China; now also Afghanistan and Iraq to the west of China. We've surrounded China, our only problem is Russia to the North, who are more likely to side with China than America.

Muslim governments don't like any other government and want to take over the world themselves... that crazy communist korean doesn't get along with anyone; we (US) don't get along with half the world's governments... nobody as of now like anyother government... so the possibility that they all cooperate tomarrow and give up their sovereignty and establish a world government is very pessimistically slim; because "Qui Bono?" The bankers like Rothschild and Rockefeller? No, compared to Bill gates and waren Buffet these guys don't have shit. Plus there's alreadu a World Bank and IMF and like international organizations that have nothing to do with national banks and print their own international fiat money.

At the moment, a third world war seems more possible than a one world government.

Perhaps it will happen, but not anytime soon. Maybe in a hundred years; but by then the world will be so crowded and poluted, and half dead, it would have all been a waste of effort, because we would, as a species be headed to our extinction, because the "powers that be" were so focused and blinded by world domination they forgot to consider the ecological condition it is in or even put in any effort in trying to save the empire they tried so hard to take over.


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/29/08 04:03 PM)
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#6637 - 03/29/08 05:06 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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[quote=LUCIFERIFIC Is it possible for a one world government to exist? yes, it is, but it would require, as you say a strict police state, because no common person, after tasting the fruits of liberty will put up with having it taken away perminently.

At the moment, a third world war seems more possible than a one world government.

Perhaps it will happen, but not anytime soon. Maybe in a hundred years; but by then the world will be so crowded and poluted, and half dead, it would have all been a waste of effort, because we would, as a species be headed to our extinction, because the "powers that be" were so focused and blinded by world domination they forgot to consider the ecological condition it is in or even put in any effort in trying to save the empire they tried so hard to take over. [/quote]

Wow!!
OK my only defence is in relation to the first paragraph of yours '...no common person, after tasting the fruits of liberty will put up with having it taken away perminently.' is to say a police state would be very subtle and gradual process. It's not going be blatant because as you quite rightly say people would never stand for liberties being taken. BUT if people were living in a state of permanant threat and fear ( for example the War on Terror) they will bit by bit give up their civil liberties to the state in exchange for "protection and security" Recently I read somewhere of a family who volunteered to be microchipped. Propagander maybe but it adds strength to the suggesstion that the NWO is about ultimate fascist control.
Like I say that is my only defence!!
I read your post over and over and you blew me away somewhat with a very thorough and intelligent, well thought out reply.
Thanks for giving me a fantastic new perspective on this matter. A third world war does indeed seem a more likely event before a one world government.. maybe after such a war with a greatly reduced world population such a radical new order would happen.
Until then though there is so much magickal experiances to be enjoyed I feel...
Thanks again... Marc

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#6643 - 03/29/08 05:37 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: BaphNoir]
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 Originally Posted By: BaphNoir

OK my only defence is in relation to the first paragraph of yours '...no common person, after tasting the fruits of liberty will put up with having it taken away perminently.' is to say a police state would be very subtle and gradual process. It's not going be blatant because as you quite rightly say people would never stand for liberties being taken. BUT if people were living in a state of permanant threat and fear ( for example the War on Terror) they will bit by bit give up their civil liberties to the state in exchange for "protection and security" Recently I read somewhere of a family who volunteered to be microchipped. Propagander maybe but it adds strength to the suggesstion that the NWO is about ultimate fascist control.
Like I say that is my only defence!!


Thanks Marc \:\) its a pleasure to meet you.
I don't want to be a bitch and attack your only defense \:\) but you admitting to having your line of defense weakened is bad war strategy. Bluff my friend, bluff! Thats what America is doing as a country right now. We're bluffing like crazy... meanwhile we're borrowing a billion dollars a day from china, and can't even fight a third world country without your help (UK)! Not to mention we're falling into bankruptcy.

But lets think about your last line of defense:

Yes its possible to microchip a metropolitan urbanized population like the UK and most of America; but let me ask you - how many people are their on this planet? Yes - about 6 billion; most of these 6 billion aren't even urbanized. Microchipping all 6 billion would take ages, plus it will not guarantee that everyone is tied linked to the system. Just resently, only a few years ago anthropilogists discovered a tribe of 15,000 isolated people living in Papua New Gunea; and there are new tribes being discovered in the Amazon jungle and African jungles eavery year.

What's this mean? It means that the suspect one world government has a weak spot - it's control ends where the city ends; and most people in third world countries live outside cities... this leaves a potential resistance movement to come into existence and grow and hide. This is to much.

Yes the police state would have to lie to us about world terror like they are now... but think about it - if there was a world government and we were all united, who would be the enemy to use as a scape goat? It only works now because the world is fragmented. It would be counterproductive for a one world government which desires to maintain world control and cohesion to pick a member state or ethnicity and use them as a scapegoat as terrorists, because this would fracture the global cohesion. And this lie woill only work for a few generations. It can't be believed indefinately. At one point in time some group somewhere is goin to to realize the world government is lying, and when that happened the damn will begin to crack.

So even if a one world government does happen; it will not last very long. I think this "war on terror" is just misdirection. When everyone is busy looking for terrorists, America is quietly surrounding China unmolested... This action goes in accordence with the NSA's Grand New Stragey - basically meaning american global unilateral superpower. The Grand New Strategy only recognizes one super power and will employ premptive strikes with any nation that appears to challenge America position - i.e. China. Google, the Grand New Strategy Marc, you will see things differently. Its interesting and exciting stuff!

Kayla


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/29/08 05:49 PM)
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#6647 - 03/29/08 06:28 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Typed words cannot express my gratitude for your sincere efforts in your replies. I think its fair to say I have learned more in this one Saturday evening then I have in weeks of reading rather one sided and paranoid world views!
I truly thank you Kayla.
And to think without the JOS we wouldnt be having this chat... they are not all bad..
(or maybe I just learned how to bluff like an American!!!)
I am sure we will converse in the near future
Marc

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#6650 - 03/29/08 06:48 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: BaphNoir]
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 Originally Posted By: BaphNoir
Typed words cannot express my gratitude for your sincere efforts in your replies. I think its fair to say I have learned more in this one Saturday evening then I have in weeks of reading rather one sided and paranoid world views!
I truly thank you Kayla.
And to think without the JOS we wouldnt be having this chat... they are not all bad..
(or maybe I just learned how to bluff like an American!!!)
I am sure we will converse in the near future
Marc


Thanks Marc. True the JOS did bring us together. Hey, if the kundalini stuff they teach works for you, then go for it; i just think the guy who made the site is a dork.

I use to believe in this one world conspiracy at one time Marc. I was even paranoid about reptilians pretending to be people and killing Princess Diana; but then things went so crazy, I had to stop myself, because nothing was making any sense anymore - like why the hell are reptiles killing diana? hows that going to help bring a world government and what do they have to do with bankers and Zionists?

So I had to break things down and investigate each topic independently myself. See is very easy to slip into another persons delusional interpretation of reality - its like you've plugged into their "matrix." But their is a difference between plugging into someones reality, and thinking for yourself, and constructing your own reality. Many people who buy into these paranoid conspiracy theories plug into the source of the paranoi because it is easer to have someone else do the thinking and putting the jigsaw puzzle together for them - believing in a theory as fact means thinking and internal dialog stops.

Remember: to BE-LIE-ve is to BE-LIE-d to. Well, i look forward to more conversations with you Marc.

Kayla


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/29/08 06:49 PM)
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#6956 - 04/01/08 05:27 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Asmedious]
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dont adversary and opponent mean the same thing? When you say you think the proper translation is adversary it sounds like CoS regurgitation.
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#7184 - 04/04/08 03:19 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I'm a Theistic Satanist, and have found some good information on the Joy Of Satan site. They have good information on demons, and some other subjects. However I totally disagree with there racist, neo-nazi philosophy, and find it distastful. So I say eat the meat but spit out the bones.
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#9469 - 06/09/08 11:34 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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i looked at joy of satan's site. these guys are for real? lots of "the jews did this" and "the jews did that"....
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#9486 - 06/10/08 11:26 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Rune Darksinger]
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the one and only elite theistic organizations of the land hand path is the temple of set and Dragon Rouge (or Ordo Draconis et Atri Adamantis) ;\)
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#9711 - 06/20/08 02:21 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: TheMask]
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I dont dislike the joy of satan.but i dont beleave some of what they preach.like extertirestuals from another planat.i am a e-group member and i practice there meditations,because of the extensive reading that i do ive found them to be the basis of magic and very rewarding.
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#10590 - 08/10/08 10:42 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: 999]
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Many of their ideas are interesting. But I do have a few problems with the group. Mostly the fact that they are run by neo-nazis and flaunt their racism and bigotry to no ends. The site is worth a good read... if you don't mind all the anti-semetic rants that riddle almost every page.

And magical study is fine and dandy with me, but these people don't give themselves sufficient reality checks. Do they honestly think Maxine Dietrich and Salem Burke can do half the hocus-pocus nonsense in their "Hell's Army Training Program"? Commanding the elements? Levitating? Instantly killing people by psychically boiling their blood? They need a nice healthy shot of common sense.

Overall the JoS tends to attract young gullible people who don't know much about the occult or Satanism in general, but dislike Christianity enough to buy into anything with "evil" imagery. And consequently they tend to act immaturely when confronted.

-"Yes, Spiritual Satanism is great, im 15 and after I became a Satanist I have had experiances that have never happened before, "different" experiances. Like ones that wouldnt be normal for a normal person."

-"If you choose to live a lowly degenerate human, be my guest, but when the battle arrives, you will wish you had practiced your meditations fuckers. HAIL SATAN!"


These quotes pretty much sum up everything wrong with JoS members. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't run by bigots though.
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#10623 - 08/12/08 04:30 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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 Quote:
My research has led me to believe plans for a one world fascist government, one world army , one world currency etc
One world army? Why do we need an army if their aren't any other groups to fight with? If you had said 1 giant defense mechanism to protect earth from astronomical disasters or nature unleashing I would have agreed.
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#13414 - 10/24/08 08:37 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
These are some retarded things I've noticed about the Joy Of Satan's "Satanism:" (from there site).

""In light of new knowledge based upon hundreds of hours of intense and in-depth research, we have discovered the following:

1. Satan is our True Creator God.
"YHVH" otherwise known as "Jehova" by the deluded, is a false entity. "YHVH" stands for the four elements and corners in the popular Jewish systems of magick that are available to the public.

Satan is the Sumerian God known as "EA" or "ENKI." He is a GOD, not an angel! He has been denigrated and slandered through the centuries with falsehoods and lies. Most people do not know Satan. They believe everything they are told about him without question. Fear is a powerful tool that has been used for centuries to keep humanity away from Satan.""

This guy is saying that the Summerian-Babylonian God EA is Satan... and that Yahwey doesn't exists. But Watch what the Catholics say about this same Sumerian-Babylonian God:

Regarding Yahweh, the Catholic Encyclopedia says:

"It seems likely that the name of Ea, Ia, or Ya, or Aa, the oldest god of the Babylonian Pantheon, is connected with the name Jahve (Iahve), Jahu (Iahu), or Jah (Iah), of the Old Testament."

Here's another similarity between Enki/Ea and Jah/Jehovah:
Enki created the first man Adapa/Adama... Genesis tells us The Lord God (Jehovah/YHWH-Elohim) created the first man Adam.

So who are the Satanists of the Joy Of Satan worshiping? Anybody with a pulse that knows how to google can figure this out.


That is very good referencing!...(applaud) I need to get me another Lexicon myself...I have developed negative opinions about the JOS since encountering a very talented young lady who was just 17 years old and practiced Egyptian Magick...She was such a refreshing personality...She was just totally into the whole Heremtic practice...She knows Hieroglyphs better than I do and practices the full ritual dress. She is way too high caliber for that organization. I hope somebody comes along and rescues here from JOS's psychic vampirism...I have warned her and prayed protection forces for her. RA HOOR KHUIT
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#13429 - 10/25/08 11:17 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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if these people had half a brain they'd be dangerous.

I will use this as my first example. One liner. What the fuck did it offer to the thread? if should be capitalized. Posts of this type will be deleted in the future.


Edited by fakepropht (10/25/08 11:26 AM)
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#13493 - 10/26/08 11:10 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: AnOpenHand]
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I just think its peculiar that a large group of mostly angst ridden teens believing in an extremely christianized prince of demons with a goat head and hooves and his many demonic minions, is acceptable... but as soon as they mention that they hate jews all hell breaks loose.
the JOS is overflowing with dogma, blind faith and desperate worshiping. they are clearly anti-intellectual, and they appear to viciously turn on their own if anything is questioned. spooky halloween imagery excluded, they have all the trappings of fundamentalist or even pentacostal christianity.
but most people get turned off by their psuedo-racialist propaganda. weird.

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