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#5212 - 03/10/08 03:46 PM Joy of Satan
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I have a big interest in this site and from what i understand reading on these forums, nobody here seems to care much for it and what it represents.

I dont understand why, really. Does somebody care to enlighten me?

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#5213 - 03/10/08 03:57 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: TheMask]
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What made you come to this conclusion? What have people said that makes you think we don't care much for our own community?
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#5215 - 03/10/08 04:08 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: TheMask]
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If you're referring to this website, I don't particularly like it because the layout is really poor, and it preaches theistic beliefs. I don't actively slander it, though.
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#5217 - 03/10/08 04:29 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Jeseth]
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I don't know much abut "Joy of Satan" but what I have seen have been rather strange. Try to do a search on YouTube. A lot of angry exmembers who complain and tell strange stuff about there beliefs. I can understand that they have a connection to the racist organisation the National Socialist Movement. The wife of one of the group's original founders, Clifford Herrington, was/is a leader in the "Joy of Satan Ministries.

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#5219 - 03/10/08 06:39 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Amina]
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What made you come to this conclusion? What have people said that makes you think we don't care much for our own community?


Hey TC, I think you'll find that there was a rather large and extensive thread on the JOS on the previous incarnation of The 600 club. This is very well where he is getting the 'feeling' from.

Just a thought........

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#5227 - 03/10/08 08:24 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Well actually, i came to the conclusion by reading this thread.
http://www.the600club.com/dir/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/3448#Post3448

Now it wasnt very bright of me to immidiatly assume that everybody on this forum doesnt like the site. I should have expressed myself differently.

Still, i would mostly want to know what the people that have something against JoS base their dislike on?

If its simply because its Theistic Satanism then you dont need to explain yourselves since in which case its more a matter of taste.
But there seems to be something about the organization that makes them disliked other then the fact that they are Theist Satanists.

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#5296 - 03/11/08 02:10 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: TheMask]
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I don't actually feel that there is an anti-JOS sentiment because of their Theistic Satanism, it's just some people's cup of tea.

The High Priestess has also been linked to Neo-Nazism and has had many members defect from JOS to start splinter groups. I'm just going by what I have read in the past, I have not had any bad experiences with JOS personally. Maybe people aren't too keen on the information that she puts out.

As with everything, do the research first. Read what the JOS is about, then formulate your own opinions. If you consider yourself a Theistic/Traditional Satanist, Brother Nero and Diane Vera offer some good information as well.


Edited by Sinistar (03/11/08 02:20 PM)
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#5319 - 03/11/08 09:02 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Jeseth]
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This is funny look: (from their website):

The Origins of Satanism


* Satanism is not a Christian invention
* Satanism predates Christianity and all other religions
* Satanism is not about spooks, goblins, vampires, Halloween monsters or other related entities
* Satanism is not about "evil"
* Satanism is not an invention of, or a "reaction" to Christianity
* Satanism is not a creation of Anton LaVey
* Satanism is not about death
* True Satanism is about elevating and empowering humanity to reach equality with the Gods, which was our True Creator (Satan's) intention

"IN THE SECRET OF MY KNOWLEDGE THERE IS NO GOD BUT ME"
-SATAN
From "Peace Be Unto Him"

Then a paragraph later they write:

The original religions now known as "Satanism" (by the way, "Satan" means "enemy" in Hebrew), were all based upon what is known as the "Magnum Opus" or Great Work. The one known as "Satan" is our True Creator God. He was prevented by the other Gods from finishing his work on humanity, that of the godhead. The godhead is physical and spiritual perfection. Now, if you continue to read on, I will prove this.

The question I have comes from a "LaVeyan" point of view:

What's the difference between worshiping a God over there (points one way) versus a God over there (points another way)?

Wheather something is "real" or "imaginary" tangible form or intangible abstract thoughts it all begins in the Mind.

Without Mind to behold, give form to, recognize, observe, and acknowledge... without thoughts and concepts the Mind makes... without words the Mind creates... how would these "Gods" exist because it is thru the thoughts, words, ideas, of either one person's mind or one's own mind that acknowledges or recognizes these "Gods."

What kind of "God" can't even create itself and give itself form outside the mind of man?

And its not even a great Mind we have either. Our Minds can't even conceptualize Eternity - we have to break them down into bite sized pieces like hours and years.

It can't conceptualize Infinity - we have to break it down into bite size pieces for us to be able to understand like inches and lightyears.

This Mind of ours can't even figure out where we came from - it only has feeble guesses. Nor can it figure our where this cosmos came from or is going. It doesn't know where life came from or where it is going. It really knows nothing other than the things that it invents and creates by itself...

But yet some guy says he knows God - Jehovah... Satan... whatever. How small are these Gods that they can fit perfectly in the minds of their believers like a well defines little painting?


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/11/08 09:24 PM)
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#5324 - 03/11/08 09:31 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I can say for sure that I thought I was going to black out trying to read one of the articles on that website. It seemed like the text was flashing.

As for some of the other small texts I read. it seems they insult other Satanists for not knowing "the real meaning of our symbols."

And I agree with Luciferfic.

And as for the translation of "Satan", I've always known it to translate to "opponent" or "opposite", and NOT "enemy", for enemy is a negative word, whereas opponent or opposite is just the flip side to something else. Like the opposite to white is black, as is evil to good, indulgence to abstinence etc.

They have some nice ideas, and good luck to them, but they really seem to have their wires crossed on some points of Satanism. Then again, I've probably not done enough research on them and compared their notes with other sources. I'll do this later when I've got more time.
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#5341 - 03/11/08 10:59 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Sinistar]
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Yeah i have to say that the layout for the site was really a shitty choice.
Its in fact so bad that it made me doubt the credibility of the site itself. I dont understand why a site that has a message to spread uses an layout that makes it hard to completely get the message because you cant read it because of the layout?

 Originally Posted By: Sinistar
I don't actually feel that there is an anti-JOS sentiment because of their Theistic Satanism, it's just some people's cup of tea.

The High Priestess has also been linked to Neo-Nazism and has had many members defect from JOS to start splinter groups. I'm just going by what I have read in the past, I have not had any bad experiences with JOS personally. Maybe people aren't too keen on the information that she puts out.

As with everything, do the research first. Read what the JOS is about, then formulate your own opinions. If you consider yourself a Theistic/Traditional Satanist, Brother Nero and Diane Vera offer some good information as well.


I understand. Thanks for clearing that up.
And also, thank you very much for those recommendations. That is kind of what i consider myself.


Edited by TheMask (03/11/08 11:00 PM)

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#5342 - 03/11/08 11:07 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: DistroyA]
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And as for the translation of "Satan", I've always known it to translate to "opponent" or "opposite", and NOT "enemy", for enemy is a negative word, whereas opponent or opposite is just the flip side to something else.


I belive "Satan" means "Adversary."
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#5375 - 03/12/08 11:12 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Asmedious]
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The Joy of Satan is a Neo-Nazi group, and really nothing more. they are a poor take-off on the Order of Nine Angels. They use the idea of "the adversary" to induce young rebellious kids into their fold. Much the same as most neo-Nazi organizations. You get to wear a cool badge and walk around looking for people to persecute you for being a white Satanist.

It's for those who simply can't survive outside a group setting. they thrive on mob mentality. Contrary to their little slogans and "definitions" they require a strict conformity, and are really no place for someone of any brains whatsoever. This really didn't take much research to find out on my part several years ago.

I find it amusing how many of you went to their website and were taken in without doing any external research on your own! Thanks to those who did.

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#5384 - 03/12/08 12:04 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Asmedious]
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And as for the translation of "Satan", I've always known it to translate to "opponent" or "opposite", and NOT "enemy", for enemy is a negative word, whereas opponent or opposite is just the flip side to something else.


I belive "Satan" means "Adversary."

Well, what I wrote was just how I interpreted LaVey's teachings. Whichever way you look at it, it doesn't necessarily mean "enemy". I prefer "opposite" as Laveyan Satanism is the opposite of Christianity in essence. That's how I see it anyway...
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#5415 - 03/12/08 07:33 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: birdstrike]
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 Originally Posted By: birdstrike
The Joy of Satan is a Neo-Nazi group, and really nothing more. they are a poor take-off on the Order of Nine Angels. They use the idea of "the adversary" to induce young rebellious kids into their fold. Much the same as most neo-Nazi organizations. You get to wear a cool badge and walk around looking for people to persecute you for being a white Satanist.

It's for those who simply can't survive outside a group setting. they thrive on mob mentality. Contrary to their little slogans and "definitions" they require a strict conformity, and are really no place for someone of any brains whatsoever. This really didn't take much research to find out on my part several years ago.

I find it amusing how many of you went to their website and were taken in without doing any external research on your own! Thanks to those who did.


I see. I happen to like the things they teach on their website, i find them interesting but i havent looked into it any further.
Even so i would never care about joining their "club" since i dont understand why i would have to pay money to be a part of something. I find that part to be bullshit.

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#5444 - 03/12/08 10:11 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: TheMask]
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These are some retarded things I've noticed about the Joy Of Satan's "Satanism:" (from there site).

""In light of new knowledge based upon hundreds of hours of intense and in-depth research, we have discovered the following:

1. Satan is our True Creator God.
"YHVH" otherwise known as "Jehova" by the deluded, is a false entity. "YHVH" stands for the four elements and corners in the popular Jewish systems of magick that are available to the public.

Satan is the Sumerian God known as "EA" or "ENKI." He is a GOD, not an angel! He has been denigrated and slandered through the centuries with falsehoods and lies. Most people do not know Satan. They believe everything they are told about him without question. Fear is a powerful tool that has been used for centuries to keep humanity away from Satan.""

This guy is saying that the Summerian-Babylonian God EA is Satan... and that Yahwey doesn't exists. But Watch what the Catholics say about this same Sumerian-Babylonian God:

Regarding Yahweh, the Catholic Encyclopedia says:

"It seems likely that the name of Ea, Ia, or Ya, or Aa, the oldest god of the Babylonian Pantheon, is connected with the name Jahve (Iahve), Jahu (Iahu), or Jah (Iah), of the Old Testament."

Here's another similarity between Enki/Ea and Jah/Jehovah:
Enki created the first man Adapa/Adama... Genesis tells us The Lord God (Jehovah/YHWH-Elohim) created the first man Adam.

So who are the Satanists of the Joy Of Satan worshiping? Anybody with a pulse that knows how to google can figure this out.


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/12/08 10:13 PM)
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#5448 - 03/12/08 10:44 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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And the answer is; the Christian God, but they're using a different name. It's blatantly obvious with the research you've done on the matter.

I was so tempted to type "Unicron" instead of what I did type. Sorry, but Transformers: The Movie just entered my head I was typing that. \:D
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#5450 - 03/12/08 10:56 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: DistroyA]
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 Originally Posted By: DistroyA
And the answer is; the Christian God, but they're using a different name. It's blatantly obvious with the research you've done on the matter.

I was so tempted to type "Unicron" instead of what I did type. Sorry, but Transformers: The Movie just entered my head I was typing that. \:D


I haven't watched Transformers - the Movie yet. I heard it was very good?

I wouldn't mind it if these guys at the Joy Of Satan had there own Satanism and wanted there own organization; but when you lie and say things like Anton LaVey didn't start Satanism, and that its thousands of years old... duh duh duh... then is just stupid. Give the guy (LaVey) some credit, he only wrote TSB and organized , constructed, or put together a religion out of it. Before that "Satanism" was just rumors spread by the church which was nothing close to a real religion you know?

If people like the JoS and believe their teachings, then they desreve to be in that retarded crowd.
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#5452 - 03/12/08 11:11 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Well, the quote I was referring to was from the 1986 animated movie (not the live action movie, although both kick serious ass..), so I'll be a little surprised if you haven't seen it already.

Even if Satanism at the time was just a rumour created by the Christian church, it has existed in one form or another in the past, even if it was fictional at the time. LaVey may have founded the Church of Satan and wrote the Satanic Bible, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he came up with the initial idea of Satanism, or rather the archetype for the religion we know mostly of today.

Even though there are more than just one form of Satanism, I subscribe to the LaVeyan philosophy and way of thinking, and it seems you do too. All that matters is that you, as an individual, are happy with your path and agree with the ideals that the philosophy teaches.

The point of my ramblings is this: if they want to believe that, leave them to it. So long as they don't push their beliefs down our throats, we've nothing to worry about.
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#5453 - 03/12/08 11:22 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: DistroyA]
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 Originally Posted By: DistroyA
LaVey may have founded the Church of Satan and wrote the Satanic Bible, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he came up with the initial idea of Satanism, or rather the archetype for the religion we know mostly of today.


You're right here. I forgot to think about that. The ideas and archetype were there before LaVey; plus so was Redbeard's Might Is Right... Rand's Objectivism... and Nietzsche's 'existentialism.'
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#5456 - 03/12/08 11:31 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
These are some retarded things I've noticed about the Joy Of Satan's "Satanism:" (from there site).

""In light of new knowledge based upon hundreds of hours of intense and in-depth research, we have discovered the following:

1. Satan is our True Creator God.
"YHVH" otherwise known as "Jehova" by the deluded, is a false entity. "YHVH" stands for the four elements and corners in the popular Jewish systems of magick that are available to the public.

Satan is the Sumerian God known as "EA" or "ENKI." He is a GOD, not an angel! He has been denigrated and slandered through the centuries with falsehoods and lies. Most people do not know Satan. They believe everything they are told about him without question. Fear is a powerful tool that has been used for centuries to keep humanity away from Satan.""

This guy is saying that the Summerian-Babylonian God EA is Satan... and that Yahwey doesn't exists. But Watch what the Catholics say about this same Sumerian-Babylonian God:

Regarding Yahweh, the Catholic Encyclopedia says:

"It seems likely that the name of Ea, Ia, or Ya, or Aa, the oldest god of the Babylonian Pantheon, is connected with the name Jahve (Iahve), Jahu (Iahu), or Jah (Iah), of the Old Testament."

Here's another similarity between Enki/Ea and Jah/Jehovah:
Enki created the first man Adapa/Adama... Genesis tells us The Lord God (Jehovah/YHWH-Elohim) created the first man Adam.

So who are the Satanists of the Joy Of Satan worshiping? Anybody with a pulse that knows how to google can figure this out.


Interesting information, thanks for pointing that out.

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#5457 - 03/12/08 11:44 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: TheMask]
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Interesting information, thanks for pointing that out.


No problem Mask. You don't need those dweebs at the JoS. Satanism doesn't come out of a book or website, or academic research. It when you "walk" that Left Hand Path, and live life to the fullest, seeing life as it really is, beyond the man made illusions of cities, morals, faiths, concepts, ideals... and when you have collected experience with life, that Undefiled Wisdom unfolds, and one becomes a "Satanist."

All you need is your own self Mask. Now start walking! \:\)
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#5486 - 03/13/08 03:26 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I always thought Joy of Satan was in ties with Diane Vera. Eh, maybe not. As for the JOS; I see nothing in their "doctrine" that is appealing. I don't particularly like the site and its tenets, but too each their own I guess.
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#5560 - 03/13/08 08:11 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask
Interesting information, thanks for pointing that out.


No problem Mask. You don't need those dweebs at the JoS. Satanism doesn't come out of a book or website, or academic research. It when you "walk" that Left Hand Path, and live life to the fullest, seeing life as it really is, beyond the man made illusions of cities, morals, faiths, concepts, ideals... and when you have collected experience with life, that Undefiled Wisdom unfolds, and one becomes a "Satanist."

All you need is your own self Mask. Now start walking! \:\)


Haha, thank you. But since i am insterested in Traditional Satanism, the spiritual world and a bit of black magic i feel that i should still do a bit of research. \:\)

The parts about JoS that interested me was the Power Meditation technique and something about the fourth dimension. I find these things interesting. When it comes to their view of Satan it isnt much like my view in the sense of him as an "only" God.
I plan only on finding out more about the interesting parts.


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#6258 - 03/23/08 03:28 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Ahhh. Yes The Christian god indeed.
Or the "badguy" Satan from David E Icke.
I'd find it amusing if it was in response to David E Icke.
Now there's a nut who researches for things that would prove him right!

I too was curious why some members had such passionated hatred for them.
But instead of bopping em on the heads wouldn't it be better to try and actually educate them in the facets of Satanism and allow for intellectual growth...Theism and non-theism aside?

When I started watching the video on the Joy of satan in a previous post I thought "Wow does this mean that satanists hate other satanists who practice or have practiced kundalini?"....No I suppose it just meant that the guy really wasn't qualified to teach it....Or As I commented...It was butchered.
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#6360 - 03/25/08 12:38 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: DaVinci]
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Diane Vera used to have ties to Joy of Satan but from what I've read, the High Priestess Maxine Diedrich severed the ties over some in-fighting. Vera seems to take it in stride and does strike me as more eloquent and much more sane.

The description of Ea/Enki/El is similar to that of the Xtian God. Doctrines have been so polluted by the time they get around to our day and age that I don't even know what people can formulate their beliefs on.
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#6457 - 03/27/08 01:36 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Engel08]
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Ahhh. Yes The Christian god indeed.
Or the "badguy" Satan from David E Icke.
I'd find it amusing if it was in response to David E Icke.
Now there's a nut who researches for things that would prove him right!

I too was curious why some members had such passionated hatred for them.
But instead of bopping em on the heads wouldn't it be better to try and actually educate them in the facets of Satanism and allow for intellectual growth...Theism and non-theism aside?

When I started watching the video on the Joy of satan in a previous post I thought "Wow does this mean that satanists hate other satanists who practice or have practiced kundalini?"....No I suppose it just meant that the guy really wasn't qualified to teach it....Or As I commented...It was butchered.


David Icke is a nutcase Englewood.
Have you ever noticed his theories sounds a lot like that 80's tv series "V?" - you know with the lizard people coming to earth in the red suit pretending to be humans?

Sadly my friend, there's quite a few retars that think he's the greatest thing that ever lived and that what he says is true. He's worse than Sitchen and Erik Von Daniken.
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#6461 - 03/27/08 04:35 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Yes I remember V...And I was a child then I covered my face but I still remember that scene when she/he takes off her face and then sprays venom in somebody else's face.
I often wish to re-watch it see if it's actually scary.
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#6551 - 03/28/08 06:42 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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My first post but felt I had to chip in!!
OK ... I have to say my first impression of the JOS website was to be fairly impressed with its originality and honesty. My MAIN point is the JOS website's page on the New World Order (NWO).
I have read extensive information on the so called Illuminati and find it very frustrating that Satanism is ultimately blamed for the so called NWO agenda. My personal understanding and practice of Satanism does NOT fall in line with the NWO agenda. The JOS had a refreshing take on how Satanic symbolism (i.e. the street layout of Washington DC etc.) is being misinterpreted by modern day conspiracy theorists. Also was very interesting to read the JOS's theory on how the original NWO was an expression of freedom and rebellion against the fascism of Christianity and how it has been infiltrated by the Jews and now serves a completely different agenda.
LINK http://www.666blacksun.com/NEW_WORLD_ORDER.html
Would welcome all views..
Apologies if this has been covered in earlier posts.. I DID do a search on the forums for NWO but found nothing.

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#6556 - 03/28/08 07:06 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: BaphNoir]
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My first post but felt I had to chip in!!
OK ... I have to say my first impression of the JOS website was to be fairly impressed with its originality and honesty. My MAIN point is the JOS website's page on the New World Order (NWO).
I have read extensive information on the so called Illuminati and find it very frustrating that Satanism is ultimately blamed for the so called NWO agenda. My personal understanding and practice of Satanism does NOT fall in line with the NWO agenda. The JOS had a refreshing take on how Satanic symbolism (i.e. the street layout of Washington DC etc.) is being misinterpreted by modern day conspiracy theorists. Also was very interesting to read the JOS's theory on how the original NWO was an expression of freedom and rebellion against the fascism of Christianity and how it has been infiltrated by the Jews and now serves a completely different agenda.
LINK http://www.666blacksun.com/NEW_WORLD_ORDER.html
Would welcome all views..
Apologies if this has been covered in earlier posts.. I DID do a search on the forums for NWO but found nothing.


Welcome to the forum btw.

Let me ask you something - think about it for a moment:
what one group first began antisemitism; stories of witchcraft and devil worship; and are the most vocal about the NWO and the prophesied Mark of the Beast?

Christianty. All three of these world views were started by christianity at one time or another, and were spread by them.

If what they said about Jews, witches, and devil worshippers, was all bullshit to keep their flock scared from leaving; than more than likely the New World Order is also bullshit.

The new world order is used from time to time in politics; but not to mean some conspiracy. On a more real note New World Order describes the present Order the world is in at the moment as opposed to L'ancient Regime - the Old World Order.

By Old World Order it was meant the order of the world in which the King and Church had total power over the people from cradle to grave. Where the common person did not have any rights or liberties.

By New World Order it is meant the world now as it is occupied by democratic republics or countries where the common person has rights and liberties, and the power to either govern themselves or elect representatives.

If you think deep about Baph, this Liberty and Freedom we take for granted today is not an ancient concept or dream. During the course of human civilization most of our civilizations have been monarchies, and or theocracies. Liberty is something very new and precious, and it is so far one of our greatest achievements; one fought with sweat and blood.

Its because of this thing we call Liberty, and the new order of the world that we now exist in that we can enjoy being Satanists.

~Kayla

P.S. the JOS sucks. There ideas are very unoriginal; Satan is Enki... come on...
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#6624 - 03/29/08 03:23 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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[quote=LUCIFERIFIC
If you think deep about Baph, this Liberty and Freedom we take for granted today is not an ancient concept or dream. During the course of human civilization most of our civilizations have been monarchies, and or theocracies. Liberty is something very new and precious, and it is so far one of our greatest achievements; one fought with sweat and blood.

Its because of this thing we call Liberty, and the new order of the world that we now exist in that we can enjoy being Satanists.
quote]

Kayla.. Many thanks for your reply to my post.
I guess we have different understandings of what the NWO means.
My research has led me to believe plans for a one world fascist government, one world army , one world currency etc
The freedoms and liberties that we enjoy today would be wiped out completely in a proposed police state. There is evidenc of laws changing both in the USA and here in the UK which take our freedom and liberty away from us. Listening to the politcal rants from presidents and prime ministers with he mantra "you are either with us or the terrorists... with us or the terrorists" is said in the name of Christianity... which is NOT good news for Satanists if feel..

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#6625 - 03/29/08 03:57 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: BaphNoir]
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 Originally Posted By: BaphNoir


Kayla.. Many thanks for your reply to my post.
I guess we have different understandings of what the NWO means.
My research has led me to believe plans for a one world fascist government, one world army , one world currency etc
The freedoms and liberties that we enjoy today would be wiped out completely in a proposed police state. There is evidenc of laws changing both in the USA and here in the UK which take our freedom and liberty away from us. Listening to the politcal rants from presidents and prime ministers with he mantra "you are either with us or the terrorists... with us or the terrorists" is said in the name of Christianity... which is NOT good news for Satanists if feel..
Lets sit down and first try to reason this one world order out together objectively first without our mind piecing things together that don't really fit, as it is inclined to do. I'm not arguing with you, we're just exchanging insites to get to the bottom of this. I could be very wrong or just not seeing it right.

Is it possible for a one world government to exist? yes, it is, but it would require, as you say a strict police state, because no common person, after tasting the fruits of liberty will put up with having it taken away perminently.

We'll first have to see how trans-geopolitical institutions like the European Union; and African Union fairs. These two entities aren't like America. Each member nation has its own homogenized citizenship, language, and culture. From what I see the EU isn't working all that well on a commoner level.

We already know that the United Nations is a totally incompetent institution that doesn't do much. Most of the UN member nations are poor, backwards socialist or faulty democratic third world nations leeching of of membership dues from rich nations.

If a one world gov would one day happen, these leech-nations would be a problem, because the said gov would not only have the trouble of keeping 6 billion people in check from revolting, but also they must take up the burden of nursing 4 billion poor people who can't do shit by themselves... this means lots of money the world gov must spend.

The closest thing we have to a one world army is NATO, and today it is ineffective; the only reason why the US is keeping NATO is because of the backup it gets from NATO; without which, and without the money from china, America would not be able to sustain a war on terror, let a lone take over the world.

Governments today barely get along with each other. We hate china and are doing what we can to stall their rise as a second superpower. This war on terror i think is just an excuse to take over certain countries to surround China: we (US) have Japan and Taiwan to the east of china; the Philippines and Australia to the south of China; now also Afghanistan and Iraq to the west of China. We've surrounded China, our only problem is Russia to the North, who are more likely to side with China than America.

Muslim governments don't like any other government and want to take over the world themselves... that crazy communist korean doesn't get along with anyone; we (US) don't get along with half the world's governments... nobody as of now like anyother government... so the possibility that they all cooperate tomarrow and give up their sovereignty and establish a world government is very pessimistically slim; because "Qui Bono?" The bankers like Rothschild and Rockefeller? No, compared to Bill gates and waren Buffet these guys don't have shit. Plus there's alreadu a World Bank and IMF and like international organizations that have nothing to do with national banks and print their own international fiat money.

At the moment, a third world war seems more possible than a one world government.

Perhaps it will happen, but not anytime soon. Maybe in a hundred years; but by then the world will be so crowded and poluted, and half dead, it would have all been a waste of effort, because we would, as a species be headed to our extinction, because the "powers that be" were so focused and blinded by world domination they forgot to consider the ecological condition it is in or even put in any effort in trying to save the empire they tried so hard to take over.


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#6637 - 03/29/08 05:06 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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[quote=LUCIFERIFIC Is it possible for a one world government to exist? yes, it is, but it would require, as you say a strict police state, because no common person, after tasting the fruits of liberty will put up with having it taken away perminently.

At the moment, a third world war seems more possible than a one world government.

Perhaps it will happen, but not anytime soon. Maybe in a hundred years; but by then the world will be so crowded and poluted, and half dead, it would have all been a waste of effort, because we would, as a species be headed to our extinction, because the "powers that be" were so focused and blinded by world domination they forgot to consider the ecological condition it is in or even put in any effort in trying to save the empire they tried so hard to take over. [/quote]

Wow!!
OK my only defence is in relation to the first paragraph of yours '...no common person, after tasting the fruits of liberty will put up with having it taken away perminently.' is to say a police state would be very subtle and gradual process. It's not going be blatant because as you quite rightly say people would never stand for liberties being taken. BUT if people were living in a state of permanant threat and fear ( for example the War on Terror) they will bit by bit give up their civil liberties to the state in exchange for "protection and security" Recently I read somewhere of a family who volunteered to be microchipped. Propagander maybe but it adds strength to the suggesstion that the NWO is about ultimate fascist control.
Like I say that is my only defence!!
I read your post over and over and you blew me away somewhat with a very thorough and intelligent, well thought out reply.
Thanks for giving me a fantastic new perspective on this matter. A third world war does indeed seem a more likely event before a one world government.. maybe after such a war with a greatly reduced world population such a radical new order would happen.
Until then though there is so much magickal experiances to be enjoyed I feel...
Thanks again... Marc

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#6643 - 03/29/08 05:37 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: BaphNoir]
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 Originally Posted By: BaphNoir

OK my only defence is in relation to the first paragraph of yours '...no common person, after tasting the fruits of liberty will put up with having it taken away perminently.' is to say a police state would be very subtle and gradual process. It's not going be blatant because as you quite rightly say people would never stand for liberties being taken. BUT if people were living in a state of permanant threat and fear ( for example the War on Terror) they will bit by bit give up their civil liberties to the state in exchange for "protection and security" Recently I read somewhere of a family who volunteered to be microchipped. Propagander maybe but it adds strength to the suggesstion that the NWO is about ultimate fascist control.
Like I say that is my only defence!!


Thanks Marc \:\) its a pleasure to meet you.
I don't want to be a bitch and attack your only defense \:\) but you admitting to having your line of defense weakened is bad war strategy. Bluff my friend, bluff! Thats what America is doing as a country right now. We're bluffing like crazy... meanwhile we're borrowing a billion dollars a day from china, and can't even fight a third world country without your help (UK)! Not to mention we're falling into bankruptcy.

But lets think about your last line of defense:

Yes its possible to microchip a metropolitan urbanized population like the UK and most of America; but let me ask you - how many people are their on this planet? Yes - about 6 billion; most of these 6 billion aren't even urbanized. Microchipping all 6 billion would take ages, plus it will not guarantee that everyone is tied linked to the system. Just resently, only a few years ago anthropilogists discovered a tribe of 15,000 isolated people living in Papua New Gunea; and there are new tribes being discovered in the Amazon jungle and African jungles eavery year.

What's this mean? It means that the suspect one world government has a weak spot - it's control ends where the city ends; and most people in third world countries live outside cities... this leaves a potential resistance movement to come into existence and grow and hide. This is to much.

Yes the police state would have to lie to us about world terror like they are now... but think about it - if there was a world government and we were all united, who would be the enemy to use as a scape goat? It only works now because the world is fragmented. It would be counterproductive for a one world government which desires to maintain world control and cohesion to pick a member state or ethnicity and use them as a scapegoat as terrorists, because this would fracture the global cohesion. And this lie woill only work for a few generations. It can't be believed indefinately. At one point in time some group somewhere is goin to to realize the world government is lying, and when that happened the damn will begin to crack.

So even if a one world government does happen; it will not last very long. I think this "war on terror" is just misdirection. When everyone is busy looking for terrorists, America is quietly surrounding China unmolested... This action goes in accordence with the NSA's Grand New Stragey - basically meaning american global unilateral superpower. The Grand New Strategy only recognizes one super power and will employ premptive strikes with any nation that appears to challenge America position - i.e. China. Google, the Grand New Strategy Marc, you will see things differently. Its interesting and exciting stuff!

Kayla


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#6647 - 03/29/08 06:28 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Typed words cannot express my gratitude for your sincere efforts in your replies. I think its fair to say I have learned more in this one Saturday evening then I have in weeks of reading rather one sided and paranoid world views!
I truly thank you Kayla.
And to think without the JOS we wouldnt be having this chat... they are not all bad..
(or maybe I just learned how to bluff like an American!!!)
I am sure we will converse in the near future
Marc

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#6650 - 03/29/08 06:48 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: BaphNoir]
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 Originally Posted By: BaphNoir
Typed words cannot express my gratitude for your sincere efforts in your replies. I think its fair to say I have learned more in this one Saturday evening then I have in weeks of reading rather one sided and paranoid world views!
I truly thank you Kayla.
And to think without the JOS we wouldnt be having this chat... they are not all bad..
(or maybe I just learned how to bluff like an American!!!)
I am sure we will converse in the near future
Marc


Thanks Marc. True the JOS did bring us together. Hey, if the kundalini stuff they teach works for you, then go for it; i just think the guy who made the site is a dork.

I use to believe in this one world conspiracy at one time Marc. I was even paranoid about reptilians pretending to be people and killing Princess Diana; but then things went so crazy, I had to stop myself, because nothing was making any sense anymore - like why the hell are reptiles killing diana? hows that going to help bring a world government and what do they have to do with bankers and Zionists?

So I had to break things down and investigate each topic independently myself. See is very easy to slip into another persons delusional interpretation of reality - its like you've plugged into their "matrix." But their is a difference between plugging into someones reality, and thinking for yourself, and constructing your own reality. Many people who buy into these paranoid conspiracy theories plug into the source of the paranoi because it is easer to have someone else do the thinking and putting the jigsaw puzzle together for them - believing in a theory as fact means thinking and internal dialog stops.

Remember: to BE-LIE-ve is to BE-LIE-d to. Well, i look forward to more conversations with you Marc.

Kayla


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#6956 - 04/01/08 05:27 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Asmedious]
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dont adversary and opponent mean the same thing? When you say you think the proper translation is adversary it sounds like CoS regurgitation.
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#7184 - 04/04/08 03:19 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I'm a Theistic Satanist, and have found some good information on the Joy Of Satan site. They have good information on demons, and some other subjects. However I totally disagree with there racist, neo-nazi philosophy, and find it distastful. So I say eat the meat but spit out the bones.
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#9469 - 06/09/08 11:34 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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i looked at joy of satan's site. these guys are for real? lots of "the jews did this" and "the jews did that"....
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#9486 - 06/10/08 11:26 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Rune Darksinger]
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the one and only elite theistic organizations of the land hand path is the temple of set and Dragon Rouge (or Ordo Draconis et Atri Adamantis) ;\)
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#9711 - 06/20/08 02:21 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: TheMask]
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I dont dislike the joy of satan.but i dont beleave some of what they preach.like extertirestuals from another planat.i am a e-group member and i practice there meditations,because of the extensive reading that i do ive found them to be the basis of magic and very rewarding.
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#10590 - 08/10/08 10:42 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: 999]
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Many of their ideas are interesting. But I do have a few problems with the group. Mostly the fact that they are run by neo-nazis and flaunt their racism and bigotry to no ends. The site is worth a good read... if you don't mind all the anti-semetic rants that riddle almost every page.

And magical study is fine and dandy with me, but these people don't give themselves sufficient reality checks. Do they honestly think Maxine Dietrich and Salem Burke can do half the hocus-pocus nonsense in their "Hell's Army Training Program"? Commanding the elements? Levitating? Instantly killing people by psychically boiling their blood? They need a nice healthy shot of common sense.

Overall the JoS tends to attract young gullible people who don't know much about the occult or Satanism in general, but dislike Christianity enough to buy into anything with "evil" imagery. And consequently they tend to act immaturely when confronted.

-"Yes, Spiritual Satanism is great, im 15 and after I became a Satanist I have had experiances that have never happened before, "different" experiances. Like ones that wouldnt be normal for a normal person."

-"If you choose to live a lowly degenerate human, be my guest, but when the battle arrives, you will wish you had practiced your meditations fuckers. HAIL SATAN!"


These quotes pretty much sum up everything wrong with JoS members. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't run by bigots though.
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#10623 - 08/12/08 04:30 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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My research has led me to believe plans for a one world fascist government, one world army , one world currency etc
One world army? Why do we need an army if their aren't any other groups to fight with? If you had said 1 giant defense mechanism to protect earth from astronomical disasters or nature unleashing I would have agreed.
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#13414 - 10/24/08 08:37 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
These are some retarded things I've noticed about the Joy Of Satan's "Satanism:" (from there site).

""In light of new knowledge based upon hundreds of hours of intense and in-depth research, we have discovered the following:

1. Satan is our True Creator God.
"YHVH" otherwise known as "Jehova" by the deluded, is a false entity. "YHVH" stands for the four elements and corners in the popular Jewish systems of magick that are available to the public.

Satan is the Sumerian God known as "EA" or "ENKI." He is a GOD, not an angel! He has been denigrated and slandered through the centuries with falsehoods and lies. Most people do not know Satan. They believe everything they are told about him without question. Fear is a powerful tool that has been used for centuries to keep humanity away from Satan.""

This guy is saying that the Summerian-Babylonian God EA is Satan... and that Yahwey doesn't exists. But Watch what the Catholics say about this same Sumerian-Babylonian God:

Regarding Yahweh, the Catholic Encyclopedia says:

"It seems likely that the name of Ea, Ia, or Ya, or Aa, the oldest god of the Babylonian Pantheon, is connected with the name Jahve (Iahve), Jahu (Iahu), or Jah (Iah), of the Old Testament."

Here's another similarity between Enki/Ea and Jah/Jehovah:
Enki created the first man Adapa/Adama... Genesis tells us The Lord God (Jehovah/YHWH-Elohim) created the first man Adam.

So who are the Satanists of the Joy Of Satan worshiping? Anybody with a pulse that knows how to google can figure this out.


That is very good referencing!...(applaud) I need to get me another Lexicon myself...I have developed negative opinions about the JOS since encountering a very talented young lady who was just 17 years old and practiced Egyptian Magick...She was such a refreshing personality...She was just totally into the whole Heremtic practice...She knows Hieroglyphs better than I do and practices the full ritual dress. She is way too high caliber for that organization. I hope somebody comes along and rescues here from JOS's psychic vampirism...I have warned her and prayed protection forces for her. RA HOOR KHUIT
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#13429 - 10/25/08 11:17 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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if these people had half a brain they'd be dangerous.

I will use this as my first example. One liner. What the fuck did it offer to the thread? if should be capitalized. Posts of this type will be deleted in the future.


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#13493 - 10/26/08 11:10 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: AnOpenHand]
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I just think its peculiar that a large group of mostly angst ridden teens believing in an extremely christianized prince of demons with a goat head and hooves and his many demonic minions, is acceptable... but as soon as they mention that they hate jews all hell breaks loose.
the JOS is overflowing with dogma, blind faith and desperate worshiping. they are clearly anti-intellectual, and they appear to viciously turn on their own if anything is questioned. spooky halloween imagery excluded, they have all the trappings of fundamentalist or even pentacostal christianity.
but most people get turned off by their psuedo-racialist propaganda. weird.

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#13507 - 10/27/08 07:53 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Bacchae]
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Are these guys for real?
LOL Digged the section on getting some demon nookie!
Jokes aside these people are dangerous, it sounded to me just like all the spirituality crap with the word angel substituted for demon etc etc.
But rest assured when I rule the world it'll be the butt of the rifle for maxine dietrich
I wouldn't waste the bullets.
I can just visualize the hoardes of spotty greasy haired teenagers playing black sabbath records backwards and cutting themselves
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#13510 - 10/27/08 08:50 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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And magical study is fine and dandy with me, but these people don't give themselves sufficient reality checks. Do they honestly think Maxine Dietrich and Salem Burke can do half the hocus-pocus nonsense in their "Hell's Army Training Program"? Commanding the elements? Levitating? Instantly killing people by psychically boiling their blood? They need a nice healthy shot of common sense.


I have read just as ambitious ideas from U.S. Army personnel and former CIA analyst. The U.S. military already spends several hundred millions of taxpayer dollars to train remote viewers at Fort Bragg...The remote viewing program seems to have moved more into psychic warfare. There is a book about the special warfare training titled: "Men Who Stare At Goats" http://www.amazon.com/Men-Who-Stare-Goat...25110943&sr=1-1

If the J.O.S could develop skills of that magnitude they would probably be approached by the CIA and put on their payroll and any past issues the JOS had instigated would be sanitized because the CIA is a fraternity in itself.

There are several former U.S. Army personnel who are now private contracting and training remote viewers. One of them who comes to mind is Major Ed Danes who is now associated with a company in San Diego,CA. Not all Occultism or metaphysics is a load of crap.
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#13517 - 10/27/08 12:04 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: AnOpenHand]
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 Originally Posted By: AnOpenHand
I can just visualize the hoardes of spotty greasy haired teenagers playing black sabbath records backwards and cutting themselves


LOL yeah no shit. I just got done reading the sections on "summoning elementals" and "Pyrokenisis" sounds like a bunch of crap to me. Im sure many of them will get over it after they grow up and stop trying to piss off their parents. Devil-worship is as a big a waste of time as the origignal phoilosophy it springs forth from.
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#13549 - 10/27/08 09:42 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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people have been trying that kind of "psychic warfare" garbage for thousands of years, and absolutely no proof of its efficiency or existence has come about. If any of it were true we would all know about it. IT IS ALL BULLSHIT.

As far as the military goes, they will experiment with ANYTHING if it means new technology to use in warfare, even if it is far-fetched. Case in point: they once tried to make a "gay bomb" that would instantaneously make enemy soldiers so overcome with homosexual lust that they would be too distracted to fight so they would start fucking each other right there on the battlefield.

WAY TO GO, MILITARY GENIUSES. Great use of our tax dollars.


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#13551 - 10/27/08 11:34 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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You sound like one of them JOS people. I recognize your candor...I wonder what familiar you have...There are three I have discovered upon you...You are not permitted to enter and if you try I shall use my staff to Jack, you insolence. Your beligerence shall not be tolerated and you shall return from whence you came. RA HOOR KHUIT From the Throne of Horus Aman Re the scepter I bear not in vain.
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#13555 - 10/28/08 06:37 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
people have been trying that kind of "psychic warfare" garbage for thousands of years, and absolutely no proof of its efficiency or existence has come about. If any of it were true we would all know about it. IT IS ALL BULLSHIT.

As far as the military goes, they will experiment with ANYTHING if it means new technology to use in warfare, even if it is far-fetched. Case in point: they once tried to make a "gay bomb" that would instantaneously make enemy soldiers so overcome with homosexual lust that they would be too distracted to fight so they would start fucking each other right there on the battlefield.

WAY TO GO, MILITARY GENIUSES. Great use of our tax dollars.


Zebu;

I shouldn't have posted what I did and I hope that you will accepr my apologies...I have reviewed myself and took further inventory of what you were saying and realized I was wrong.

My spiritual advisors have counseled me and said to bamish the previous invocation and to add no further insult or insinuation.

I have had run ins with JOS in the past and we've had conflicts lasting a few days. I disagree with JOS from an esoteric standpoint that they need to stop showing teenagers how to "talk to the devil" via the internet.

I make a public vow to never use invocations on public forums and to safeguard the sacred art by bestowing knowledge only upon the seeker and not the doubting unbeliever.

RA HOOR KHUIT Re Legis Satanas Dunemos Hail Satan!
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#13560 - 10/28/08 08:08 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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I make a public vow to never use invocations on public forums and to safeguard the sacred art by bestowing knowledge only upon the seeker and not the doubting unbeliever.

Just a question;Do you believe in the devil as an actual entity? This seems an odd statement to be made by a Satanist.
Personally I wouldn't waste my energies on anyone who wasn't a doubting unbeliever, which in my opinion is a prerequisite to be a Satanist.
Another question would be;do you think 'invocations' hold any power aside from the stimulation they offer the celebrant? I am unsure what you mean by 'safeguard' in this context.
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#13586 - 10/28/08 06:23 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I take Theistic Satanism seriously, but the last thing Satanism needs is a bunch of ignorant, intellectually-deficient kids running around shouting "Hail Father Satan!" thinking they can levitate and shoot lightning bolts with their minds if they think hard enough. Not only does it lead to blatant misdirection of energy, such as the fact that their illiteracy, blind zealotry and intolerance has made them resemble Fundamentalist Christians... it's just downright embarrassing.

It's kinda like how I felt about Pentacostalists when I was still a Catholic.... Seeing a bunch of superstitious maniacs rolling around on the floor speaking in tongues is enough to make any level-headed Christian facepalm.

Although I do get some comfort out of knowing that most JoS members will grow out of it once they hit puberty.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm going to assume you're a theist. Since I am a diehard materialist and somaticist, I place no value on the spiritual words you invoke upon me, so don't worry about it. Christians and JoS'ers alike have prayed and cursed against me countless times to no avail, so I've come to the conclusion that I am blessed with absolute immunity to the supernatural. Take that, you angry, hormone-filled, Disturbed-listening, hairless-crotched, reverse-Christian losers!

That said, making spiritual invocations in a BBS conversation comes off as a little stupid and amateurish.


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#14879 - 11/25/08 02:45 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Interesting, if I might add, from what I know JoS are not really racist towards all races as some would have us believe, but rather, they dont like Zionist Jews and Jews in general but see all other races of people regardless of color as "gentiles" and see only Jews as the enemy. I'm not trying to defend them but if you go to their JoS mailing list, you will find people of all races there, its the Jews they have a problem with. As for who invented Satanism, well LaVey popularized it and its name, but different forms of Satanism did exist, only it wasn't called Satanism. They believe satan was not originally called satan but was called Enki, which dates back to the ancient sumarian civilazation. I have much respect for Anton LaVey but where I do disagree with the CoS, is their attempt to monpolize Satanism. This is no different then other religous sects saying they are the only true way, but like most religions, Satanism has many sects now. So this attempt to monpolize the word and philosophy of Satanism is whats retarded!

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#14892 - 11/25/08 09:01 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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That's still not much better. "Niggers and wetbacks are fine with us, but HEAVEN HELP YOU IF YOU'RE A GODDAMNED KIKE."

In any case, the vast majority of JoS content is explicitly hateful towards "the Jewish race", and the instances of this far outnumber references to Zionism or Judaic Religion.

Furthermore, this lumps all Jews into one category. It is true that Jews are notably active in politics and finance, but the vast majority of them are liberal and secular, and usually fundamentally at odds with ultra-orthodoxy and Zionism, which is a conservative movement. The Zionist conservatives are only a small proportion that generally get their power through pandering to the Fundie Christian Neocons and playing their persecution complex up with the general public. And also numerous are the jews in between with no affiliation or care for politics.

Therefore, identifying the "adversary" as "Jews" is inaccurate and a gross misguided overgeneralization.

As far as so-called "Sumerian Satanism" goes, if you believe this form of belief existed before the 60's, please answer the following questions-

-Who worshiped Enki in the context of Sumerian religion prior to modern times (such as in the middle ages, during the renaissance/enlightenment, or 1800s)? Name some people and organizations.

-Who believed that Satan was originally Enki?


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#14894 - 11/25/08 09:33 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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 Originally Posted By: Cumulus Magus
As for who invented satanism, well LaVey popularized it and its name, but different forms of satanism did exist, only it wasn't called satanism.


"I'd like a bag of apples."
"Here. That'll be three dollars."
"Hey, wait. These are oranges."
"It's the same thing, only they aren't called apples."


Yes... there were perhaps other religions and philosophies worshipping "the devil," but the anthropomorphic manifestation of a devil, be it Satan, Set, or any other semantic difference in nomenclature has no relevence to the "Satan" of the Church of Satan. To quote the Gatekeeper in the 1939 version of The Wizard of Oz, "Not no way, not no how."

Granted, the "Infernal Names" are presented in The Satanic Bible, and amongst them, you will find names of "the devil" from around the world, however, these are only to illustrate the universality of the IDEA... not to indicate that there are anthropomorphic manifestations of a "devil." These are presented that those whose cultural or philosophical core resonates to one of the Infernal Names can identify and find the qualities associated with that individual name within themselves or, in the case of ritualization, call upon those facets of one's being that might correspond to the qualities of the individual name... i.e., greed - Mammon; Lust - Lilith.

The Church of Satan as envisioned by LaVey had nothing to do with any pre-existence of worship or reverence of gods. The concepts of what those gods represented was a matter of study in that they might lend understanding to the psyche of man and his desires. None are viewed as real. None are deified.

Note: Sorry... I know this is a thread on "The Joys of Satan," but it's off track when LaVeyan Satanism is viewed as "monopolizing" Satanism when, in fact, they have very little to do with the views of most "satanic" groups... aside from those groups somehow trying to associate themselves with LaVeyan Satanism, even though their core ideas are diametrically opposed to its organizational philosophies.


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#14917 - 11/27/08 04:06 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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As far as Enki, thats a question you have to ask JoS, not me, I'm only telling you what they believe. As far as the CoS goes, one of their high priest "James D. Sass" is a known racist and an authoritarian and even admits it! So maybe this would be an interesting thread to create, why CoS supports such a person. Btw one can be anti-zionist or anti-Israel and not be anti-jewish.

Hail Enki!
Hail Set!
Hail Ahriman!
Hail Baphomet!
Hail Apep!
Hail Lucifer!
Hail Satan!

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#14919 - 11/27/08 04:29 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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The 'joy of satan' follows the standard religious formula that joe average needs (external deity that somehow has the time to answer to his plebeian needs, afterlife, route to 'salvation'), and caters to the already popularized and well known hollywood version of Satanism.

When you combine this with the facts that:
a)not only do actual Satanists not seek converts, most of us actively discourage people that don't seem to belong, which is the overwhelming majority.
b)Due to the facts that actual Satanism requires a level of intelligence that most people will never possess, as well as a type of personality that is of the 'have it or don't' variety, most people can't even wrap their minds around what Satanism means.

You end up with a situation where Satanists are overwhelmingly outnumbered by yet another group that has absolutely nothing to do with us. This is exactly the same as any other 'Satanists vs X' comparison, with one exception;They try hard to look like us. They use our symbols and terminology. They liberally 'borrow' from LaVey while spitting on his grave. It's disgusting.

And then they have the nerve to say we are trying to 'monopolize' a religion that we created, and cry that we aren't warm and accepting to the poor 'no child left behind' morons that want to interpret our religion completely backwards.

Fuck them all, I say.
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#14920 - 11/27/08 04:59 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Yep. I know.

What I would REALLY like to see, although I'm an old sucker and there probably ain't enough time left... would be a "Satanic" organization that actually exists beyond a computer and a dweeb in the dark that can make it on its own without having to glom onto LaVey's works, or spend all of their time trying to explain where LaVey was wrong. In other words... DO IT ON THEIR OWN.

If there's an idea that works, people will accept it. You don't have to have membership drives, or go from website to website proclaiming how great things are on your side of the fence compared to X,Y or Z. "Build the better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to your door."

Problem is, somebody else is building better MICE.
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#14928 - 11/27/08 01:29 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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We created? thats funny how "joiners" call themselves "creators", dont you mean what LaVey created? In any case, CoS isn't really a religion, its more of a rude put-on against the traditional churches that was against indulgence. By this logic, Libertarians can call themselves a religion and their God is Liberty, yet while claiming liberty doesn't exist! The way I see it, LaVey Satanism isn't really a religion but a philosophy that claims itself to be a religion. If anything the word Satanism was in the dictionary long before LaVey talked about Satanism. So if anything, one can claim LaVey took a word that already existed, and took the symbol Baphomet that already existed and decided to make a religion out of it, otherwise if he was that original, why not start from scratch, with a new word and a new symbol? Its like saying someone invented rock and roll and now nobody else is allowed to create rock and roll, which is exactly what LaVey satanist are attempting to do. Again starting a different satanist sect is not spitting on LaVey's grave. Another thing I find funny, is how Anton used voodoo as part of his practice which has been around forever and nobody is accusing him of stealing from another religion. If someone wants to believe in a literal Satan or not, who cares? why is it so threatening to LaVey satanist? Sorry but once again, Church of Satan does not have a monopoly on Satanism, satan nor the baphomet!

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#14930 - 11/27/08 02:09 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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I suppose we have to go to Satanism 101.

So where do we get Satan as a figurehead? Being that LaVey's lineage was Semitic, it made sense that he would go to the traditions from deep within his ancestry. The Hebrew language gives us the word ha-satan, which means The Adversary. Notice that the word isn't capitalized. The reason for this is that ha-satan was a position...not a diety...he was The Adversary (or prosecutor) in Jewish courts.

An example is that Jesus would have been questioned by the ha-satan of the court of the Sanhedron, who would be an officer of the court who was adversarial to him in accusation of his crimes. "As above, so below." If one researches the duties of the Angels in Heaven, we see that Satan was doing this all along. He served as The Adversary in disputes before God. But linguistically, ha-satan can refer to anyone who may withstand you, as an enemy or oppressor or rebel or accuser.

Interestingly, there are the passages in which it is God who raises up a ha-satan. Two of the rebels who opposed Solomon in the later years of his reign are called ha-satan (adversaries) sent against Solomon by God. 1 Kings 11:14, 23. And in the story of Balaam and the donkey, the angel of the LORD is called "ha-satan" Numbers: 22:22,32

So basically, SATAN, as chosen by the Church of Satan equates to the ha-satan, but symbolism plays as much part in the Church of Satan as it would in any religion or philosophy, so the ha-satan was elevated to Satan...the position of the Angel in Heaven, representing as the Adversary to the status quo. It was a rejection of all that people saw as TRUTH based on divine authority and a challenge for man to be the determining force in his own destiny.

I suppose LaVey could have named the Church of Satan the Magical Circle from the group from which it sprang. He could have called it LaVeyanism...he could have called it anything. But the impact of SATAN on a society that was cowed by religion was meant to shake the masses from their somatized state. This was something that was unheard of and could not be ignored. It was saying to the world, "NO MORE. We will not bow down." In words clear enough for them to understand."
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#14931 - 11/27/08 02:20 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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First let me mention that you might be somewhat confused. This is not the Laveyan-puritan defense squad. Most here I interact with walk the LHP and it's been ages since I've seen a pure Laveyan here. I'd throw tomatos on them.
What they do at the CoS I wouldn't know. It has been ages since I checked letters and even if they nowadays dance around in pink tutus, I would not be bothered.

Second, please stop this egalitarian bullshit. It's not because every monkey out there can slap a label on his drivel that everyone needs to be open and tolerant about it. Even when a zillion screaming teens proclaim it as truth doesn't make it any better or more interesting, sane, rational or non-disgustable. Joy of Satan is the Joke of Satanism, end of story. They're not the only one, the web is filled by bottomfeeders that stoop things down that far until things reach their requirements or rather incompetence. 95% of the satanists out there wouldn't know what the LHP was even if you rubbed them with their nose on its concrete.
If I decide to call them idiots and not satanic at all, I will do so. And the first cry-baby that stumbles across complaining they are also satanic and should be accepted as such should be shot on spot. That cry-baby obviously doesn't have a clue at all else he wouldn't get on the barricades for something not even worth wasting words upon.

I personally don't care how long the word Satanism existed, there was no organized Satanism before Lavey. Nothing worth calling Satanism and nothing in touch with what Satanism is about. You can drag some old demi-cow out of whatever lore and hypothesise that his followers would have been something like a satanist but it's nothing but an assumption. I never up to today had anyone being able to provide the evidence.

And if JoS is racists, doesn't like Jews or boycot the import of Chinese toys, I can't give a damn. They are idiots to start with so all the rest is of no relevance. An idiot good at playing the piano or lousy at cooking a meal still is an idiot. Details don't change that.

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#14935 - 11/27/08 03:30 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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Yeah, calling it the Church of Satan was a damn smart move in that period. You can say a lot of things about Lavey but he sure did know how to wrap the package. I doubt he'd use the same label in this era but I don't think we can come up with a more powerful PR-label. Even if it doesn't have the potential it had half a decade ago.

Lavey invented the form, sure he borrowed here and there -as we all do- but what he came up with was rather unique.

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#14936 - 11/27/08 03:37 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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I doubt if he would too. He was a believer in "creative blasphemy." Back in the mid 60's in America, a guy with a Church of Satan was world news. They went through the whole pranking stage, being visible, being brash. It pushed buttons, but the 60's were a fairly puritanical time for most of America. Someone targetting Christian ideals then was shocking.

Today, I think P.J. O'Rourke said it best, "Making fun of born-again Christians is like hunting dairy cows with a high powered rifle and scope."
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#14939 - 11/27/08 03:53 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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Cumulus whatever,

I almost took the time to dissect your post and show you to be a complete idiot, then it dawned on me that I could not possibly do it any better than you already have.

You aren't smart enough to be here, you don't ,can't, and will never get it.

Return henceforth to your fold, sheepie.
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#14941 - 11/27/08 04:11 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Truth hurts doesn't it? lol
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#14942 - 11/27/08 04:26 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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Sorry but your going according to the bible, which I find fictitous and not the origin of satan which wasn't originally called satan but had many names before your hebrew book of lies!
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#14943 - 11/27/08 04:42 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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We created? thats funny how "joiners" call themselves "creators"


It doesn't matter if you see us all as joiners. The truth is still in Jakes words. Just because someone "joins" does not mean that they can't make some kind of contribution or a change in the "normalcy" of things.


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dont you mean what LaVey created?


Jus because the man made it formal and gave the religion recognition from others doesn't mean he was the creator and that his word is final. Yes he started the CoS but if you do a little more research you will find that a lot of the philosophies laid down in the Satanic Bible were borrowed philosophies from others.

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If someone wants to believe in a literal Satan or not, who cares? why is it so threatening to LaVey satanist? Sorry but once again, Church of Satan does not have a monopoly on Satanism, satan nor the baphomet!


No one is disputing that, or saying that just because they believe different then us they are wrong. I atleast don't give two shits about what another person decides to believe as long as it isn't shoved in my face. I find the beliefs foolish, so if I don't support them why does it matter? It is my opinion and others opinions we are all entitled to them. While the CoS doesn't have a monopoly it does have the advantage. I say so because it seems to be the most recognized satanic "sect".

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#14945 - 11/27/08 04:48 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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egalitarian bullshit? lol You must be confusing me with someone that gives a crap. I can care less, I'm simply pointing out some facts, I dont care about you accepting anything. You can attack JoS or CoS or defend them, its all the same to me. Let me conclude by saying the following, different forms of satanist sects will exist and will continue to come into existence whether you people like it or not, so just accept it, for no debating within this forum will ever change that fact!
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#14946 - 11/27/08 04:52 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Ringmaster]
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Wow finally someone with a smart reply, well sir,
I agree with what you just said 100%, thank you for your thoughts!

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#14947 - 11/27/08 04:58 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you the same baby that a couple of replies ago was complaining about people monopolizing Satanism? Smells egalitarian to me. Oh no, they can't monopolize Satanism because there are many many other different sects and they are satanists too. Smells very egalitarian, not to mention a serious lack of insight of what qualifies as Satanism or not. So we just have to accept it because we can't do a thing about it? Defeatism anyone?

So please don't give me the giving no crap routine. You do give a lot of crap.

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#14949 - 11/27/08 05:04 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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As a Libertarian, I bitch about monopolies because I support competition! Something egalitarians dont like! I accuse CoS of "attempting to have a monopoly on Satanism", something they will lose every time, for there are no laws to prevent people from creating new sects of Satanism! HA!
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#14950 - 11/27/08 05:20 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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What is wrong with a monopoly on something such as this? Isn't it showing that "hey we were able to make a killing!" It just shows that the company was better then all of it's competitors.

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for there are no laws to prevent people from creating new sects of satanism! HA!


Such immaturity. LOL I was expecting someone of your age to be well a little more mature. Yes there are no laws preventing this but as you can see a lot of people find it to be utter nonsense. Also take a look and the followers, mindless herd conformists. They believe so blindly that they are right with no outright proof or logic to back them up (I am speaking about the JOS in particular.) Is it now all of a sudden wrong to challenge the thoughts and beliefs of others in search of logic and reasoning that we are unaware of. It is always wise to question something because blind aknowledgment in something will oft lead to someone's downfall in the search for knowledge.
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#14951 - 11/27/08 05:20 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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Ok, how to make you get it.

There is indeed no law to hinder every numbnut from creating his degenerated special kind of alien elitism and sadly, it doesn't hurt either. If, the internet would be a long cry of pain. If it was up to me, there was a law and they would be forced to print their personal info right next to their 2cent site. Deathsquads could go and exterminate the intellectual vermin according their position on the scale of intelligence.

Now egalitarian would be when one would see all those works of art and all those wise words carefully written down by apparantly people of great genius, when one would see them as Satanism. It's not because someone slaps Satanism on something that it is Satanism and therefor should be recognized as Satanism. It has nothing to do with competition because on the LHP there is no competition. Who are you going to compete with when all that matters is your own path?
Out of the great memeplex that Satanism is, people can pick out what they prefer but once you start borrowing or importing stuff out of that memeplex, it fails to be satanic. Even when a baphomet is glued upon it and the word SATAN is used.

In the views of an outsider they might all appear to be Satanism but the views of an outsider are irrelevant. The insider is what matters and they don't need to be tolerant and accepting. They can claim there is only one sort of Satanism and seriously, there is only one.

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#14952 - 11/27/08 05:27 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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Create all you want. They can pop up a new one each day. No one is denying that fact. The fact is, they can't pass the sniff test. If it looks like shit, and it smells like shit, then it is shit. That is a fact. You can wrap it up in fancy paper and put a pretty little ribbon on top, but you are only covering up a box of shit.
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#14953 - 11/27/08 05:44 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Ringmaster]
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I have no problem with a natural monopoly, but if its such a killing, why cry about others competing? If they suck, they will fall, and no, I'm not against challenging others thoughts.
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#14954 - 11/27/08 05:47 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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I disagree, try again and no, CoS are not the only satanist on the block, slap that sticker onto your Satanic Bible!
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#14955 - 11/27/08 05:49 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: fakepropht]
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Thats exactly what was said about the Satanic Bible, interesting isn't it? well again, many sects do and will continue to exist. One mans shit is another mans food lol
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#14956 - 11/27/08 05:55 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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Seriously, you start to bore me.

Like I said, go to the CoS complain about the CoS and if you bother to reply to me, show some intelligence. You apparantly are not capable of comprehending what I wrote.

I'm sick of the lesser gifted on a crusade to spread their embracing view when they have absolutely no clue what they talk about. You try to be the rebel but in fact you seem to be carrying a cross and begging to be nailed to it. It'll probably make you feel very right.

Goodbye baby-jesus, I wasted enough words.

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#14957 - 11/27/08 05:59 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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And yet your wrong again, lots of words for someone that doesn't know me, also your not exactly the brightest bulb in the forum from what I can see. If I bore you, then simply ignore me.
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#14958 - 11/27/08 06:01 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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Truth hurts doesn't it? lol


No, the truth of it is I have explained the basics of Satanism to people that are incapable of grasping it, due to their own limitations, many times in the past.

It is a fruitless endeavor.

Talking about Satanism with people that aren't Satanists generally goes nowhere, because all most can understand are variations on the same idea. Pretty much every belief system follows the exact same formula(including those of the 'darker' variety), while Satanism does not. People see that Satanism doesn't meet the criteria of all those other belief systems, (of the type he can comprehend) So he begins to utilize eisegesis to mold the idea into something he can understand. This plants a major roadblock in the way of any sort of meaningful discussion.

This is equally true of christians as it is of devil worshipers or enki worshipers or <insert cosmic bogeyman here> worshipers, or even those with no religion at all! Though to be completely honest I find the devil worshiper/theistic satanist crowd to generally be the most dull witted and irrational of the bunch.

They, you, are all the same.
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#14959 - 11/27/08 06:09 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I never claim to be one or the other, your just assuming. Also my "ego" is not bothered by your proclaiming I'm not a satanist lol, but please continue attempting to pigeon hole me in order to prove me wrong. I can see, labels mean so much to you lol. Remember, sticks and stones!
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#14960 - 11/27/08 06:11 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: fakepropht]
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...just a heads-up about this Magus (pft) dude - he is a well known troll around the traps, especially amongst the more refined fraternities. I know REAL Freemasons that would be quite happy if he withered away and died – no matter how tolerant they try to be. I suggest ignoring him and perhaps he will piss off back to his pretend fraternity.

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#14961 - 11/27/08 06:15 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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Registered: 11/12/08
Posts: 22
Loc: Bronx, New York
This is simply not true, otherwise prove it. I dont expect others to believe me, but trust me, this moron is lieing to you all. I'm no troller and have very little time to waste trolling.
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#14962 - 11/27/08 06:22 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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I may be mistaking you for some other troll, but your conduct would suggest even if I were, you are just as pathetic. Go plead somewhere else.

'nuff said.

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#14963 - 11/27/08 06:22 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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Registered: 10/08/08
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Loc: Vancouver, Canada
I did not attempt to place you in any category aside from 'non-Satanist'.

The fact that you are defending the JoS leads me to believe you may be one of their ranks. You also could be one of those touchy-feely universal inclusionists that get offended when anyone dares form an opinion that excluded other ideas. Maybe both. Maybe neither.

It really doesn't matter what you are.

Here's a tip for you - without labels we could not communicate anything in any sort of comprehensible manner, nor could we think or navigate through the world. Labels are important, and muddling them only serves to obfuscate and dilute meaning.
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#14964 - 11/27/08 06:31 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Registered: 11/12/08
Posts: 22
Loc: Bronx, New York
I am not defending JoS, just pointing out some facts about them. Labels are important, but make sure you know what your labeling, otherwise you might end up poisoning yourself. HehEheHE
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#14965 - 11/27/08 06:34 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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Registered: 11/12/08
Posts: 22
Loc: Bronx, New York
Well you are wrong, and why dont you go somewhere else! and that knife isn't scaring anyone! lol
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#14966 - 11/27/08 06:44 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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Loc: Cabarita, Vic, Australia
Grow up - Goodbye "LOL"

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