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#5212 - 03/10/08 03:46 PM Joy of Satan
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I have a big interest in this site and from what i understand reading on these forums, nobody here seems to care much for it and what it represents.

I dont understand why, really. Does somebody care to enlighten me?

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#5213 - 03/10/08 03:57 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: TheMask]
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What made you come to this conclusion? What have people said that makes you think we don't care much for our own community?
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#5215 - 03/10/08 04:08 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: TheMask]
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If you're referring to this website, I don't particularly like it because the layout is really poor, and it preaches theistic beliefs. I don't actively slander it, though.
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#5217 - 03/10/08 04:29 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Jeseth]
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I don't know much abut "Joy of Satan" but what I have seen have been rather strange. Try to do a search on YouTube. A lot of angry exmembers who complain and tell strange stuff about there beliefs. I can understand that they have a connection to the racist organisation the National Socialist Movement. The wife of one of the group's original founders, Clifford Herrington, was/is a leader in the "Joy of Satan Ministries.

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#5219 - 03/10/08 06:39 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Amina]
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What made you come to this conclusion? What have people said that makes you think we don't care much for our own community?


Hey TC, I think you'll find that there was a rather large and extensive thread on the JOS on the previous incarnation of The 600 club. This is very well where he is getting the 'feeling' from.

Just a thought........

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#5227 - 03/10/08 08:24 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Well actually, i came to the conclusion by reading this thread.
http://www.the600club.com/dir/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/3448#Post3448

Now it wasnt very bright of me to immidiatly assume that everybody on this forum doesnt like the site. I should have expressed myself differently.

Still, i would mostly want to know what the people that have something against JoS base their dislike on?

If its simply because its Theistic Satanism then you dont need to explain yourselves since in which case its more a matter of taste.
But there seems to be something about the organization that makes them disliked other then the fact that they are Theist Satanists.

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#5296 - 03/11/08 02:10 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: TheMask]
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I don't actually feel that there is an anti-JOS sentiment because of their Theistic Satanism, it's just some people's cup of tea.

The High Priestess has also been linked to Neo-Nazism and has had many members defect from JOS to start splinter groups. I'm just going by what I have read in the past, I have not had any bad experiences with JOS personally. Maybe people aren't too keen on the information that she puts out.

As with everything, do the research first. Read what the JOS is about, then formulate your own opinions. If you consider yourself a Theistic/Traditional Satanist, Brother Nero and Diane Vera offer some good information as well.


Edited by Sinistar (03/11/08 02:20 PM)
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#5319 - 03/11/08 09:02 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Jeseth]
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This is funny look: (from their website):

The Origins of Satanism


* Satanism is not a Christian invention
* Satanism predates Christianity and all other religions
* Satanism is not about spooks, goblins, vampires, Halloween monsters or other related entities
* Satanism is not about "evil"
* Satanism is not an invention of, or a "reaction" to Christianity
* Satanism is not a creation of Anton LaVey
* Satanism is not about death
* True Satanism is about elevating and empowering humanity to reach equality with the Gods, which was our True Creator (Satan's) intention

"IN THE SECRET OF MY KNOWLEDGE THERE IS NO GOD BUT ME"
-SATAN
From "Peace Be Unto Him"

Then a paragraph later they write:

The original religions now known as "Satanism" (by the way, "Satan" means "enemy" in Hebrew), were all based upon what is known as the "Magnum Opus" or Great Work. The one known as "Satan" is our True Creator God. He was prevented by the other Gods from finishing his work on humanity, that of the godhead. The godhead is physical and spiritual perfection. Now, if you continue to read on, I will prove this.

The question I have comes from a "LaVeyan" point of view:

What's the difference between worshiping a God over there (points one way) versus a God over there (points another way)?

Wheather something is "real" or "imaginary" tangible form or intangible abstract thoughts it all begins in the Mind.

Without Mind to behold, give form to, recognize, observe, and acknowledge... without thoughts and concepts the Mind makes... without words the Mind creates... how would these "Gods" exist because it is thru the thoughts, words, ideas, of either one person's mind or one's own mind that acknowledges or recognizes these "Gods."

What kind of "God" can't even create itself and give itself form outside the mind of man?

And its not even a great Mind we have either. Our Minds can't even conceptualize Eternity - we have to break them down into bite sized pieces like hours and years.

It can't conceptualize Infinity - we have to break it down into bite size pieces for us to be able to understand like inches and lightyears.

This Mind of ours can't even figure out where we came from - it only has feeble guesses. Nor can it figure our where this cosmos came from or is going. It doesn't know where life came from or where it is going. It really knows nothing other than the things that it invents and creates by itself...

But yet some guy says he knows God - Jehovah... Satan... whatever. How small are these Gods that they can fit perfectly in the minds of their believers like a well defines little painting?


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/11/08 09:24 PM)
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#5324 - 03/11/08 09:31 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I can say for sure that I thought I was going to black out trying to read one of the articles on that website. It seemed like the text was flashing.

As for some of the other small texts I read. it seems they insult other Satanists for not knowing "the real meaning of our symbols."

And I agree with Luciferfic.

And as for the translation of "Satan", I've always known it to translate to "opponent" or "opposite", and NOT "enemy", for enemy is a negative word, whereas opponent or opposite is just the flip side to something else. Like the opposite to white is black, as is evil to good, indulgence to abstinence etc.

They have some nice ideas, and good luck to them, but they really seem to have their wires crossed on some points of Satanism. Then again, I've probably not done enough research on them and compared their notes with other sources. I'll do this later when I've got more time.
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#5341 - 03/11/08 10:59 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Sinistar]
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Yeah i have to say that the layout for the site was really a shitty choice.
Its in fact so bad that it made me doubt the credibility of the site itself. I dont understand why a site that has a message to spread uses an layout that makes it hard to completely get the message because you cant read it because of the layout?

 Originally Posted By: Sinistar
I don't actually feel that there is an anti-JOS sentiment because of their Theistic Satanism, it's just some people's cup of tea.

The High Priestess has also been linked to Neo-Nazism and has had many members defect from JOS to start splinter groups. I'm just going by what I have read in the past, I have not had any bad experiences with JOS personally. Maybe people aren't too keen on the information that she puts out.

As with everything, do the research first. Read what the JOS is about, then formulate your own opinions. If you consider yourself a Theistic/Traditional Satanist, Brother Nero and Diane Vera offer some good information as well.


I understand. Thanks for clearing that up.
And also, thank you very much for those recommendations. That is kind of what i consider myself.


Edited by TheMask (03/11/08 11:00 PM)

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#5342 - 03/11/08 11:07 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: DistroyA]
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And as for the translation of "Satan", I've always known it to translate to "opponent" or "opposite", and NOT "enemy", for enemy is a negative word, whereas opponent or opposite is just the flip side to something else.


I belive "Satan" means "Adversary."
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#5375 - 03/12/08 11:12 AM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Asmedious]
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The Joy of Satan is a Neo-Nazi group, and really nothing more. they are a poor take-off on the Order of Nine Angels. They use the idea of "the adversary" to induce young rebellious kids into their fold. Much the same as most neo-Nazi organizations. You get to wear a cool badge and walk around looking for people to persecute you for being a white Satanist.

It's for those who simply can't survive outside a group setting. they thrive on mob mentality. Contrary to their little slogans and "definitions" they require a strict conformity, and are really no place for someone of any brains whatsoever. This really didn't take much research to find out on my part several years ago.

I find it amusing how many of you went to their website and were taken in without doing any external research on your own! Thanks to those who did.

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#5384 - 03/12/08 12:04 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
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And as for the translation of "Satan", I've always known it to translate to "opponent" or "opposite", and NOT "enemy", for enemy is a negative word, whereas opponent or opposite is just the flip side to something else.


I belive "Satan" means "Adversary."

Well, what I wrote was just how I interpreted LaVey's teachings. Whichever way you look at it, it doesn't necessarily mean "enemy". I prefer "opposite" as Laveyan Satanism is the opposite of Christianity in essence. That's how I see it anyway...
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#5415 - 03/12/08 07:33 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: birdstrike]
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 Originally Posted By: birdstrike
The Joy of Satan is a Neo-Nazi group, and really nothing more. they are a poor take-off on the Order of Nine Angels. They use the idea of "the adversary" to induce young rebellious kids into their fold. Much the same as most neo-Nazi organizations. You get to wear a cool badge and walk around looking for people to persecute you for being a white Satanist.

It's for those who simply can't survive outside a group setting. they thrive on mob mentality. Contrary to their little slogans and "definitions" they require a strict conformity, and are really no place for someone of any brains whatsoever. This really didn't take much research to find out on my part several years ago.

I find it amusing how many of you went to their website and were taken in without doing any external research on your own! Thanks to those who did.


I see. I happen to like the things they teach on their website, i find them interesting but i havent looked into it any further.
Even so i would never care about joining their "club" since i dont understand why i would have to pay money to be a part of something. I find that part to be bullshit.

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#5444 - 03/12/08 10:11 PM Re: Joy of Satan [Re: TheMask]
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These are some retarded things I've noticed about the Joy Of Satan's "Satanism:" (from there site).

""In light of new knowledge based upon hundreds of hours of intense and in-depth research, we have discovered the following:

1. Satan is our True Creator God.
"YHVH" otherwise known as "Jehova" by the deluded, is a false entity. "YHVH" stands for the four elements and corners in the popular Jewish systems of magick that are available to the public.

Satan is the Sumerian God known as "EA" or "ENKI." He is a GOD, not an angel! He has been denigrated and slandered through the centuries with falsehoods and lies. Most people do not know Satan. They believe everything they are told about him without question. Fear is a powerful tool that has been used for centuries to keep humanity away from Satan.""

This guy is saying that the Summerian-Babylonian God EA is Satan... and that Yahwey doesn't exists. But Watch what the Catholics say about this same Sumerian-Babylonian God:

Regarding Yahweh, the Catholic Encyclopedia says:

"It seems likely that the name of Ea, Ia, or Ya, or Aa, the oldest god of the Babylonian Pantheon, is connected with the name Jahve (Iahve), Jahu (Iahu), or Jah (Iah), of the Old Testament."

Here's another similarity between Enki/Ea and Jah/Jehovah:
Enki created the first man Adapa/Adama... Genesis tells us The Lord God (Jehovah/YHWH-Elohim) created the first man Adam.

So who are the Satanists of the Joy Of Satan worshiping? Anybody with a pulse that knows how to google can figure this out.


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/12/08 10:13 PM)
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