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#52226 - 04/05/11 05:36 PM Bitten by a sheep.
Vasiya Offline
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Yesterday.. I was fired.




I was currently working privately for a lady- taking care of her bed ridden uncle for seven months. I have six years of experience in the medical field and I drive myself to be the best. To describe this lady is a typical leech. Starting drama at her PTA meetings at school, living off her sick uncle's money and house, just all around weak person.

Yesterday, I gave my boss a text.."It's payday and I need my check, I have a bill I have to pay and it's important"-- Also explaining to her I need bus money to even get to work.
She responded with comparing her problems to my own and how much more difficult it is for her. She then proceeded to fire me. -.-
I responded with a "sure thing" and thought to myself she is only cutting her own throat. I didn't think it was a big deal because I know I can get an even better job. Well....
Two minutes later she started texting my boyfriend's mom- I know right? How ridiculous.

She told her all a whole list of low lies such as.. Bringing my boyfriend over to her house and sleeping with him in her bed, not delivering medication to her uncle or giving him therapy, not feeding him or giving him fluids, refusing to work when she wants me to, Screaming at him. Of course, I know these are all filthy lies she was trying to hurt me with. What makes this worse is she started spreading them at this hospital I wanted to work at as to a few people I respect there. As it is nursing abuse is taken very seriously and it's hard to defend yourself when your the caregiver. My point is-

I learned by this experience of how low and dangerous the sheep can get... I just got bit. -,..,-

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#52232 - 04/05/11 08:38 PM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Vasiya]
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Vasiya:

Yep. Sheep bite and HARD. Usually when your back is turned, and usually they can find a way yo completely justify it... you MADE them bite you. You only got what you deserved.

Only real remedy I can give you at the moment is to grab your boyfriend and make him take you out to dinner at ALA TURKA Turkish Restaurant, over on Lincoln. Get some boreks, dolma and coban salad in you as quickly as possible... maybe a couple of kebaps... life will be good. \:\)
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#52874 - 04/13/11 06:11 PM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Vasiya]
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I'm sorry to hear that you lost your job. It must be difficult for you. Two years ago I gave up my job because of an unfair boss. I found another one which was worse-paid but more peaceful. My friends also had some unpleasant experience with their employers or co-workers. Generally, employers have more to say than employees so they often try to abuse their power.

If you are fired your self-esteem may suffer, even if it was not your fault. Some people are evil by nature but they do not see it due to their hypocrisy. Such people, if they are unwilling to pay money for your work, will try to humiliate you and spread untrue rumours about you, in order to justify their dishonest behaviour.
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#52876 - 04/13/11 06:54 PM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Vasiya]
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There are some people who are born monetarily wealthy and noble and destined to enjoy all forms of earthly happiness and all the advantages of social life; though, they have done nothing that justifies them in luxuriating in such a fashion any more than their destitute neighbors. The poor and needy that are struggling to eke out a mere existence in spite of their moral rectitude and honest industry are considered to be suffering the agonies of living.

However tough and hard our lot in this life, the financially poor can claim their rightful rewards if they do not get despaired of their present sufferings; but, dutifully continue to do things that are termed "meritorious". Because as our present fate is the result of outside forces, so will be our future 'fortune' of our present deeds.

Ciao...
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#52880 - 04/13/11 08:10 PM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Vasiya]
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Being a nurse myself, I definitely know how seriously false allegations can affect us. Unfortunately it is a tool that unscrupulous people are very happy to employ because due to the scared shitless managers all allegations of neglect and abuse, no matter how ridiculous they may be, are taken absolutely seriously, and we are guilty without a shadow of a doubt, unless we are able to prove otherwise.

A few weeks ago it was brought to my attention by my direct supervisor and my nursing supervisor that some Nursing Assistants have complained that I was fucking off too much on the night shift (which I was forced into working) and that I spend too much time watching T.V.
Being that I donít give too shits about the job itself (although I do take my nursing practice seriously) I responded that I do not spend too much time watching TV.....I spend just the right amount of time doing it, and basically to leave me the hell alone and to only bother me in the future if there is concern regarding the nursing care that I provide; which I feel is damn good.

Then today my nursing manager approached me to tell me that she has heard ďfrom people,Ē that I have greatly improved, I am helping out, blah blah fucking blah.

I responded that I am doing EXACTLY what I have been doing all along and havenít changed anything and to please stop bothering me in regards to the opinions of the nursing assistants because pro or con I donít give a shit. She walked away pissed off, but the fact remains that I provide quality care and that is all that matters.

However I made it very clear that if anyone attacks the nursing care that I provide, thereby endangering my license (we have to report even unfounded allegations when renewing our license in my state) that they better have tangible proof to back it up because I will hold everyone involved legally responsible for defaming my professional character.

Yet everyone is surprised that experienced nurses like me are leaving the field in droves, that there is a nursing shortage in this country which is almost at crisis levels even in this economy, and that younger people are not interested in getting into the field.

As for your situation, the old hag might think that she can ruin your reputation but what she is actually doing is letting the word out that nurses should stay away from her. Iíve seen this happen a few times before in the private care sector. Most often then not their attempts back fires in the long run.

By the way, I'm desperetly trying to get out of nursing. I've gone as far as applying at the local supermarket for a job, while mainly looking for a truck driving position (have a class A license).


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#52888 - 04/13/11 10:04 PM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Asmedious]
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As her and I have discussed, it's the litigation-happy way in which our society has evolved that's placed those in the medical field in such a precarious situation. Additionally, our court systems have next to zero interest in justice or doing what's appropriate in any given situation as they're mired in a miserably traditionalist structure with the idolization of precedent.

Quite simply, being good and efficient as a medical professional is not enough any more. You must pay goons for "insurance," to protect you from other goons; these lawsuit-happy goons being made possible by the governmental interference found in America's health care system. It seems you remove the government from where it doesn't belong, then simultaneously you erase the goons from the system and make possible quality health care.

People lobbing false allegations would be shunned, as they are deserving; or at least charged higher prices for the inconvenience of having to deal with them.

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#52889 - 04/13/11 10:11 PM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: paolo sette]
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Money is an interesting social construct in and of itself. It can be both a badge of honor or nobility, as well as the cause of decadence and mindlessness. You are absolutely right though that our present deeds shape the future.

Ultimately, stratification wins out; my old boss has already had an extremely difficult time finding a replacement for me and seemingly I've already found another job.

I appreciate you all adding your two-cents, as it's interesting to me to see what opinions you have about real world situations just as much as philosophical or idealistic. Jake, your "too bad; keep moving" attitude was slightly inflammatory but completely motivating. When I can, Shea and I will get some of our friends together to check out that restaurant.

Look forward to hearing more from you all.

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#52890 - 04/13/11 10:17 PM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Vasiya]
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Vasiya:

Didn't mean for it to be inflammatory. There are just some times and some situations where you have to look to who's your adversary and what you stand to gain versus what you stand to lose and just move on through it. We've all been there... you got bitten by someone who'll bite again... she won't change. Best thing to do is acknowledge that and keep on truckin' as we used to say in the 60's.

I once had a woman boss named Shanaz... Iranian woman. We were working in a professional office in San Francisco and I was the MBA in charge of funding. In a meeting once, she launched an heavy glass ash tray across the length of the conference table, smashing it to bits and showering everyone in the place with glass. Everyone sat at the table stunned. I just looked at her, got up, packed my brief case and took BART home. (The train... not the guy... I don't go that way.) Put my resume through an agency and landed a new job. Never did go back.

Her loss.
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#52917 - 04/14/11 10:25 AM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
We've all been there... you got bitten by someone who'll bite again... she won't change.


I think that's the major 'take away' of the situation. Vasiya, you probably feel hurt because you know you've provided the best care she's ever likely to get. The truth is, it wouldn't matter if you were Florence Nightingale, working for the woman without getting paid. She would still find cause to complain because powerless people do their best to drag down everyone else (as evidenced by her actions).

It's not personal and it's not at all related to the care you've provided. More likely, it's due to the fact that you wouldn't jump when she said jump or that you failed to appreciate the grand opportunity she was giving you by allowing you to care for her uncle (late pay and all).

This will turn out better for you. I've had this kind of thing happen to me several times over my career. It sucks, but it puts a little knot of awareness in your belly that ultimately makes you better. Now that I have my own businesses we either charge these kind of people twice what everyone else pays or we 'fire' them as clients. At the 9-5 I'm still working (just two more years!), I've learned to cover my own butt obsessively so that when I'm challenged I can lay down the smackdown. One or two times doing that earns you a reputation but not many friends (they're either wary or afraid). Anyway, sorry, I'm rambling (happens after 40).

Both you and Shea show tremendous signs of understanding the big picture at an early age. Personally, I got my ass kicked (figuratively) a lot when I was your age. By all appearances, you two will avoid that somewhat harsher road. Never let them stop you from excelling and never let them level your playing field.

Finally, I'm not sure what Jake is calling Dolma, but if it's stuffed bell peppers (like in the Persian culture) that could well be some of the best food on the planet!
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#52920 - 04/14/11 10:50 AM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Fnord]
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Good comments so far. My own take is similar to Jake and Fnord's - this is a big lesson for the relatively young.

You need to learn to separate personal feelings from professional pride in work. Many cannot do this. I'll differ slightly from Fnord and say it is personal, but only for that lady (the client who fired Vasiya). Relationships work both ways - you need to learn to operate this kind of relationship only on a professional level, and leave your own feelings out of it.

A separate but related item, alluded to but not called out specifically - since many people act like this sheep, you also need to learn to be cognizant of their effect on others, and anticipate and prevent unwanted outcomes.
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#52922 - 04/14/11 10:59 AM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Autodidact]
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 Originally Posted By: Autodidact
I'll differ slightly from Fnord and say it is personal, but only for that lady (the client who fired Vasiya).


I did word that badly. I meant that it wasn't personal in the way that it could have been anyone (non specific) doing any quality of work and the woman would likely have been equally dis satisfied... ie ya just can't please some people.
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#52924 - 04/14/11 11:08 AM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Fnord]
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Completely agree. It's a skill to learn to spot this type of psychic vampire and avoid them.

If they're unavoidable (as is often the case when one is young and/or not able to choose for some reason), the best you can do is know them for what they are and practice your LBM. Hint: dissociating your feelings also means dissociating your ego.

But that's me - I can suppress my ego in pursuit of larger goals. Others may not choose to take that path.

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#52928 - 04/14/11 11:19 AM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Autodidact]
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And this is exactly why I am pursuing the career I have chosen. Aside from having to wear a suit (not that there is anything wrong with that, it's just not my style) I will only have to interact with people on a minimal basis and it wont matter what I believe because there certainly is no line of people who are willing to descend a few hundred feet underwater and weld.
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#52947 - 04/14/11 02:06 PM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Vasiya]
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Sorry to hear you lost your job Vasiya. Hopefully all will go well with the new prospect you mentioned.

Iíve dealt with similar cretins before and it is never easy, no matter how many times it happens. One should always put their best foot forward when starting a new job and sometimes you realize too late that you are being taken advantage of. Iíve had bosses and coworkers stick knives in my back and involve themselves in personal matters that were completely irrelevant to work, yet HR still felt the need to weigh in and of course side with the psychic vampires, based on their own prejudices and power to bend rules to their desire. Ugh. I get hives thinking about some of the shit that has been pulled by a select few in my pastÖ

At least now you are this much more capable of spotting undesirable traits in people before itís too late. There are bigger and brighter horizons on the way for you. I never thought I would thrive at any job as well or for as long as I have at my current (daytime) place of employment. Iíve seen all of the catty nonsense happen to other people here and it is only because of my position that I have been able to avoid it. After being bitten by sheep enough times I switched career paths much like 6satan6archist6. I have a totally different job than underwater welding, but my contact with humanity is minimal at best with what I do. I canít imagine it being any other way.

Good luck!
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#52948 - 04/14/11 02:23 PM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord
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Finally, I'm not sure what Jake is calling Dolma, but if it's stuffed bell peppers (like in the Persian culture) that could well be some of the best food on the planet!


Fnord: Dolma (or Dolmasi) are stuffed grape leaves, usually stuffed with rice and pine nuts and sometimes berries. GREAT eats!!!

Here's Ala Turka's page with pics and their menu...

http://www.alaturkachicago.com/About_Us.html
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#52958 - 04/14/11 07:08 PM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Jake999]
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I had to go get clarification from the master Persian chef I know (my mother in law). Evidently, in Persian food, Dolmeh can be stuffed anything. I'm mostly familiar with Bell Peppers because that's what she makes most often though i have had the grape leaves as well. In Persian food they use rice, dill, and sometimes tiny sour cherries (zereshk?) that are awesome.

Getting hungry, thanks for the info/link & sorry for the hijack!
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#52960 - 04/14/11 07:36 PM Re: Bitten by a sheep. [Re: Fnord]
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Fnord:

Yep. There are several kinds of Dolma. The ones at Ala Turka are grape leaf (unless they've added varieties since I was in there last.) Dolma itself is a rather generic term.
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