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#52247 - 04/06/11 02:17 AM Radical Right
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It seems these days that the once noble republican party has been hijacked by loons. Today's republican politicians seem to either favor or even try to advance the idea that the president is a muslim foreigner. My question is do you believe that the right wing has become negative and distracting in terms of political issues? To what extent do you think that birther type individuals are in the Tea Party and the larger republican party.

It is in my opinion that these crazies are few but that due to people like Glenn Beck, Palin, Bachmann, and Gingrich pander to these fools for votes. I in no way believe that the majority of republicans support that idea but for whatever reason our leaders have chosen not to denounce this birther movement/ conspiracy wing on the right.

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#52252 - 04/06/11 02:56 AM Re: Radical Right [Re: Meph9]
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Having been a registered Republican and a conservative all of my adult life, I think that the Republican Party of my youth simply no longer exists and has been too far diluted with sideshow issues and pandering to the Religious Right... they used to call them by the misnomer MORAL MAJORITY. While I'm still a Republican in the truest sense of the word by the old party doctrine, and still a fiscal conservative, I'm afraid all of my upcoming ballots will be marked INDEPENDENT.
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#52254 - 04/06/11 03:26 AM Re: Radical Right [Re: Meph9]
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Republicans bitch about Democrats. Democrats bitch about Republicans. The whole time I laugh at both parties. All parties sling mud. All parties pander to fools for votes. You fools bitch and moan and complain and still every election you comply.

An acquaintance of mine has a bumper sticker on her car that says "Too poor to vote Republican". This is funny to me because she is always bitching about Republicans for one reason or another and she feels that as a Democrat she is somehow superior to people who aren't. Especially Republicans. But, according to the bumper sticker, the only reason she isn't Republican is because she can't afford it; not because of an objection to their policies or ideology. Funny thing, that.

I doubt you will ever see a self-professed Republican sporting a bumper sticker that says "Too rich to vote Democrat".

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#54334 - 05/11/11 01:27 PM Re: Radical Right [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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old school republicans are now called "liberatarian" and follow the camps of people like Ron Paul.

Modern Republicans are a bunch of socialists same as Democrats. Only they believe in welfare for the rich more so than for the poor. Probably the only differance and also repubs pander to the Christian nut jobs and rednecks while the dems pander to the minorities and educated atheists.
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#54378 - 05/12/11 02:50 PM Re: Radical Right [Re: Thule]
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 Originally Posted By: Thule
old school republicans are now called "liberatarian" and follow the camps of people like Ron Paul.


Yes and as someone who identifies with the "old school republican" I can certainly see why. In order to call oneself a conservative now would infer wanting to conserve the way things currently are, as opposed to instituting measures that foster free will. Why would anyone want to conserve the damage that fascist-lefties and religious-righties have done? Each political camp has legislated social and financial oppression. It's doubtful that a true libertarian would be elected, let alone be able to undo disastrous societal norms such as political correctness. Much of the herd has become used to and/or totally dependent on regulation in all facets of their lives.

Self-government is frightening to those who need to impose their inadequacies on others for survival. And it is that very contingent which has ironically and unjustly held the most power for so long. Conserve THAT? No fucking way.
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#54383 - 05/12/11 06:07 PM Re: Radical Right [Re: Mitch Koch]
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I prefer the term "Classically Liberal," implying that I actually appreciate liberty. Most people are guilty of just bitching, or bitching about people bitching--I just have a good time playing politics: it's like a sport of sorts...

I agree with Mitch completely though; who in the hell's really interested in maintaining our present status quo (aside from those in a position to benefit from it; like the statists who claim there's a fundamental difference between the Republicans, Democrats, and Central Banking)?

Self governance is the ideal, not in any anarchic sense; but in a Libertarian sense as Thule's implied.

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#54449 - 05/14/11 09:11 PM Re: Radical Right [Re: Thule]
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I must agree with Thule in stating that despite what both sides claim neither party is all that concerned with the nation's direction. I think its entertaining that the GOP likes to think of themselves as liberating the nation from the "islamic atheists marxist" from the left who trying to undo the culture of U.S. and replace it with their evil faith/sabotage when in fact it those commentators on the right who have on numerous occaisons stated their goals are to make America xtian(which never was from the begining) again. It is rightwing individuals who wish to rewrite history. This is similar to the leftist hypocracy surrounding the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan.
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#54450 - 05/14/11 10:41 PM Re: Radical Right [Re: Meph9]
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The majority of people are not clear thinking individuals. I'm afraid the number of Republicans that are indeed birther, xtian loons is far larger than you may think. With very few exceptions, this describes the vast majority of Republicans I have ever met. This is why I usually vote for some third party or Democrat. (That's right, I sometimes vote Democrat.) The Republicans are a bunch of loons. Even when I agree with them on some fiscal policy, the fact that they are right-to-life, bible-thumping, homophobic creationists tends to turn me away.
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#54470 - 05/15/11 10:22 AM Re: Radical Right [Re: Lucifer Rising]
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The birther controversy is not only a great distraction tactic used against right-wing voters who have developed the most detrimental needs over the last five years, but also a great means for right-wing politicians to exploit the ignorance of their own voting community. "I need health insurance, I don't have health insurance, I'm ill, but I don't want it from that muslim commy, even if its free." This is the most grandiose display of mind control ever--make the idiot reject and rebuke something he needs.

It's difficult for everyone to believe, not just Republicans, that a black man is the leader of the free world. "How the hell did that happen?"

Why not use scare tactics that boggle the empty minds which lead them further away from issues which require honest answers you don't have to offer? Let's appeal to man's carnal nature by bringing Palin on board. When she is viewed as so meretricious she becomes a detriment to the entire party, we'll throw her under the bus and put it in reverse––a few times. It's a big boys club anyway. Let's see if there are any other distractors, I mean possible candidates, we can nominate on the basis of keeping the masses ignorant to issues we refuse to rectify on the grounds of receiving pay cuts and relinquishing funds. Nobody's coming between me and my bonus, kick back, etc.

A political party filled with shiny, mercenary idiots must approach control from the same grounds––maintaining ignorance.



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#54488 - 05/15/11 03:12 PM Re: Radical Right [Re: Dark Beauty]
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NS was originally not prejudiced racism as the Nazi Army was composed of many African and Arab gentleman, you can research the photos online. The American army at the time would not let Black guys sleep or eat in the same barracks and facilities as the white guys. The Nazi Army would make it protocol that all troops of any race, creed or rank, would share eating and sleeping quarters. Only the perceived Jewish invasion was the target at the time and considering that they didn't differentiate whether they were a race or a religion it is still hard to be politically correct with terminology.

Considering NS is not the same as it were back then and that there seems to be an abundance of race hating around NS these days, I am not interested in what others vote for, I put "nihilist" on my voting forms because we have jokes in parliament, it all seems corrupt and devoid value.

I have Mein Kampf and I've never shared any common views with contemporary NS parties. It is best to go back to Nietzsche and discard what Hitler done wrong, Nietzsche is not mentioned by name in Mein Kampf, yet people still equate "The Will to Power" as a Nazi book, Hitler visited the Nietzsche museum in Weimar, parroted some of Nietzsche's phrases such as "lords of the earth" in Mein Kampf. Hitler received Nietzschean aphorisms through an associate, missing the whole musical nature of Nietzschean aphorism, mistook the open ended thought provoking words, as doctrine to idolise literal format, ideas such as the Ubermensch and "man is something to overcome, what have you done to overcome him?" "what is ape to man? A laughingstock". Such Nietzschean ideas reached him through a coffeehouse in Vienna and Munich. This is the impression given in published conversations.

Does anyone actually read Mein Kampf and Nietzsche's The Will to Power before subscribing to what is passed off as National Socialism these days, methinks not, there seems to be racists through just like there was back in Nazi Germany but this time the NS folks are the prejudiced racists, NS ideology has been successfully subverted and flipped on it's head by government and hence anything salvageable has been too soiled by propaganda and dishonourableness.

The only way is to start from the ground up, with a revaluation of all values based on master morality (not in the context of slave driving, but to revaluate ones morality) that stems from instinct and natural human functioning, religion is the cause of all human repression and Hitler was not a white supremacist Christian, he was uncovering Germanic Paganism— godless heathenism based on the Viking and Teutonic warrior traditions, but somewhere along the lines he went mad with power and fucked everything up— Jew paranoia, the Jewish writings are crazy though aren't they, the people are just people but the religion is crazy.

Honour your brother, your valiant dead, their memories. This is Valhalla.

Religion is what drives men mad whether fanatical about it or fanatical against fighting those fanatics. Religion is the cause of all wars, not the solution to them. The will to power was once in full swing against organised religion— now. forever to bare an indelible mark in the eyes of slave moralists.

I am a NOT a white supremacist or neo-Nazi, I am a godless heathen with only his personal honour, I use the term Elitist to explain that there is an Elite within nature, not due to race, creed, religion, but of the individual living being. If all you have to be proud of is the colour of your skin or religious faith then you've obviously achieved nothing with your life to be personally proud of, relying on others achievements to feel a sense of pride within yourself. National Pride is not anything without the individual actually achieving his goals for himself, not being negative to other races and creeds to feel good about oneself. Religion is oppressive, crush it's negative and weak murmurs with positive words of inspiration, affirm life and motivate the folk around you, regardless of skin colour, such things are defunct myth. Religion is the enemy of the human spirit to live!

Christian National Socialism? Absurd. Furor Teutonicus! Smash the skull of Abraham!
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#54531 - 05/16/11 12:47 PM Re: Radical Right [Re: Dark Beauty]
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Classical liberalism- yes! Very well educated people here. Modern liberalism has nothing to do with classical liberalism.

Dark beauty- it all is a show for morons. Republican, democrat, the politicians are court jesters made to entertain the masses of idiots.

They don't believe what they put on TV. I took a micro-economics class and our school book was written by Obama's chief economic advisor. My professor also knew the guy who wrote it. In the book it was all about how great free trade was. The guy has a free trade fetish.

Meanwhile on TV obama kept talking about "protecting American jobs" and that he would cut back free trade. He never did.

TV is a clown circus, don't take it seriously. Even the politicians themselves know its all a game to distract the masses.

The republicans aren't that stupid nor are the democrats. They just put that stuff on TV because if they talked about what really is going on nobody would understand it and/or they would get upset by it. So it's more useful to put on a show to make voters happy.

It's an Edward Bernay's style of democracy.
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#54586 - 05/17/11 01:17 AM Re: Radical Right [Re: Hegesias]
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You really make almost no since at all! I mean really Hitler is probably not the most effective example as to how we should run our nation

If you knew anything about the Nazis and there religious ideas you would come to realize that they made it up. The Nazi party has had about as much relation to real paganism as wicca. Look the begining of the nazi philosophy is found in the late 19 and 20 centuries under a banner of theosophy, many in the group left the order to pursue Aryanosophy a racist version of these early musings and ideas.

Nearly every symbol of the nazi party is not german in origin:
the word Aryan
the swastika
the legionary banners adorned with an eagle on top

Think before speak especially if you're going to be antisemetic.

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#54593 - 05/17/11 06:34 AM Re: Radical Right [Re: Meph9]
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I can take positive inspiration from anything and discard the negative, I am progressive and follow no man., Anything at all that expresses the will to power will have positive and workable ethics and also negative factors which can be discarded as I have already discussed in greater detail.

If one cannot write about "one" of his views on a subject, a forum, without being cast in stone with the view being seen as his lifestyle then we are at a loss here. For example, I can write about criminal psychology it does not make me a criminal.

I do not have an interest in politics beyond communicating with people (yes even Jewish Meph9, it's true you know, people they are, yes, amazing) and breaking down communications barriers regardless of race which ought not be an issue.

Even though I have stated more than once in the previous post and others, you fail to understand that I do not follow any form of Nazism or racism or you cannot decipher the many distinctions I have made separating supremacists or otherwise fanatical religious groups from ordinary people of any race, then I am inclined to stultify such fallacious claims you have made.

If I have made no sense to you at all, why are you speaking about what you do not understand, making accusations of anti-Semitism? Do you wish to slander my presence here by making derogatory remarks about something positive I have written? Not an easy feat considering the difficulty around terminology for which any cretin will immediately declare "Racism!" as his blame worthy buzz words appear in a text for which he is not paying any attention to context.

Your declaration claim to know about what is "True" Paganism and what is not, is without substance as is your derogatory derailment which points to "Nazi's making a religion up" which points to theism being a factor of legitimacy for which no proof has ever been found, an ideology and philosophy which takes some inspiration from sundry Germanic warrior traditions, usage of sundry power and might symbolism, does not equate to reading the book of Wotan and believing in "real" deities or "real" Paganism, read up yourself, warrior, innovative, and brave archetypes for godless heathens are mirrors of valiant men not slave religion deities.

The Nazi's researched much about Ayranosophy and also Runic occultism, symbolism and many traditions of influence, why would one not learn about his enemy on their grounds? I have a copy of Mein Kampf, does this mean I follow the ideals? No it does not. Understanding is only acquired through processing knowledge not parroting doctrine much like what Hitler did of Nietzsche whilst not being related in any way philosophically.

Even the word Holocaust has an emotive effect which seems to place that once genocide above and apart from all the rest of innumerable genocides, atrocities and massacres being perpetrated across the world. Why does one self defined "people" get a special and unique name for their genocide whilst equally tragic atrocities get the dead word title of just nother genocide, swept under the carpet.

I suggest you don't try and draw me into your racist thinking and racist boycotting, as I have repeatedly let it be known that don't give a fuck what colour somebody is, yet you clearly take petty delight in making accusations because the word "Jewish" has been used by me to for distinctions between race and religion, even though the lines are blurred I make the attempt to shun religion and affirm a pro-Man morality that is not based on skin colour at all.

I have clearly stated that working class Jewish people are not to blame for anything but religious supremacist governments are, There is a clear line drawn between religious tyranny and race. The fact that the word Jewish is used across the world to define *a race of people* as well as the religion *Judaism* is all too convenient for imbeciles to declare "Racism!" and make themselves look like o so humble and wholesome, man is equal believer in everyone's eyes when there has been no such persecution to any race but only to religion as a whole, extreme Judaism is an form of monotheism, the memetic disease is characteristic of mind and nothing to do with race.

I have written something yet again which is pro-Man and clearly positive which unifies all people as people with clear definitions on the elitism of the progressive individual declaring religion as the enemy of the spirit of life itself and of people, you need to revaluate what you are doing if you do not understand the life affirming nature of what I have written, I must ask you not to be so negative and weak about the whole thing.
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#54606 - 05/17/11 11:46 AM Re: Radical Right [Re: Meph9]
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Last night MSNBC had a panel talking about a book about religion, and politics. Im surprised the book didnt explode.

The journalist actually asked a priest why he wouldn't vote for one of the GOP candidates. And it all was over the idea when life begins, at conception, or when the baby is actually born.

I still think the right wing should stick to the pulpit, and stay the fuck out of law making. Lying to one group is fine, as long as your doors are closed. But putting your two cents in for laws which might effect us all are preposterous. (I refer to much more then conception, such as same sex marriage as I have friends who are lesbian, and are great people) It is precisely the Religious Right who have dragged the world to the state we are in. Stratification doesnt exist in a world where poor kids are used for propaganda on television, and a platform for which these institutions put much of their agendas.

"we are better than you because we care about kids who live 10,000 miles away from us, why dont you" instead of addressing problems they have no solutions for, or answers to a mile down the road. I grew up homeless, and poor.

A perfect Insight role for an ONA practitioner would be to live as a poor person in a inner city slum. Think of the range of emotions there being invisible and despised at the same time.

Through no fault of my own I was reminded everyday by my peers, I was the poor kid to be ridiculed. But on the other side, it was the rich around us who donated "gifts" at holiday time to feel less guilty about ignoring us the rest of the year.

Watching a child starve is hardly Satanic, natural order or not. Using the dirty, sunken face of such a child for your own purposes is criminal and you should be set on fire for it.

Being born is the biggest payout lottery anyone can have. You are born once. Whether rich or poor. No one should use the unborn, or the starving (as examples) as political fuel for their agendas.

Just an opinion.
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#54638 - 05/18/11 12:24 AM Re: Radical Right [Re: Hegesias]
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Look up the definition of the word "effective"

The fact is the Nazis did invent an almost new religion to help propogate their ideas. Add this to the fact that people like Hitler ended up causing their own downfall they are not good examples for anything but failure.

In regard to paganism I will once again remind you that the Nazis were not carrying on and following genuine classic german paganism. In addition the only true german runic symbols they utilized en masse was the SS sieg runes. You fail to understand that the Nazis did not research Aryanosophy, they invented it.

Feel free to do some actual research
The Secret Doctrine
origins of the swastika


No one is saying you can't be inspired by whatever, but if you're trying to communicate your ideas to others one should use effective examples if you don't want to make yourself sound stupid. As a final note whether you intended to come off that way or not your previous post contained a few phrases that really kinda appeared antisemitic another reason Hitler and the Nazi are a poor example because it is very difficult to not be distracted by those points.

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