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#5240 - 03/10/08 11:24 PM Salo - 120 days in sodom
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Has anyone here seen this delightful movie and if so, what are your thoughts about it?
Me and my friends found the movie completely fucking hilarious at times.

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#5294 - 03/11/08 12:26 PM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: TheMask]
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It sounds pretty messed-up just from the Title Name, but I can't say it was exactly "enjoyable" -- and, to be honest, it bored me to tears.
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#5339 - 03/11/08 10:52 PM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: DaVinci]
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Tears..? Wow.

Well yeah, i have noticed that some people appriciate the movie more then others. Maybe it was me and my friends sick humour that made it greater to us then what it was. Its amazing what kind of characters are in that movie really. xD

But nevertheless, i still think that its awesome and i really enjoy it.
I dont know if i can put my finger on what it is but.. i just like it.

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#5403 - 03/12/08 06:10 PM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: TheMask]
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Am I right in assuming that it's a film adaptation of Marquis de Sade's 120 Days of Sodom? if so, that's gotta be a fucking sick movie. I read the first day in the book (as that's what one of my old tutors at college let our group read) and it's fucking grotesque.

I still pissed myself nearly with laughter. Goes to show how bad the aristocracy and Catholic church was back in older days.
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#5407 - 03/12/08 06:53 PM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: DistroyA]
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Yes, thats the one! It is rather "sick" but i would say that its not as bad as everybody makes it out to be.
Ive read that there has been some hype about a scene in the movie where a woman eats some bread with nails in them. Actually watching that particular scene it wasnt as horrible as it was made up to be. The movie is worth a look either way since its one of the sickest movies ever made.

It would be nice to read the book some day, ive heard that its filled with grotesqueness on every page.

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#5421 - 03/12/08 08:16 PM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: TheMask]
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I knew it would be the same story. Hahahaha. I need to find that photocopy of the first day that i had.

By how you're describing it, The Exorcist probably pales in comparison (then again, it's pretty weak anyway)
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#5426 - 03/12/08 08:36 PM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: DistroyA]
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Oh... yes. Haha, i wouldnt even compare Salo to any other movie. I think its quite unique.

I really think that you should see it. Perhaps its not much "horror" in the style as The Exorcist or other horror movies but it sure is rather disturbing and artistic piece that draws you to watch. I think ive seen it 5 times now, im not sure.

You should be alarmed tho, that the movie is kind of slow in the start. I think this turns some people off a little bit.

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#5442 - 03/12/08 09:54 PM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: TheMask]
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Well, quite a few films are slow burners to be honest. I can't remember any at the moment, but if i remember any later, I'll probably post them here for reference.
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#20620 - 02/17/09 03:41 PM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: DaVinci]
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 Originally Posted By: DaVinci
It sounds pretty messed-up just from the Title Name, but I can't say it was exactly "enjoyable" -- and, to be honest, it bored me to tears.


Yeah, seriously. I read Sade's book before I watched it and then found myself straining to find anything humorous, purposeful, or entertaining.
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#21666 - 03/07/09 12:47 AM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: NihilisticMystic]
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The Director of this film; Mr. Pier Paolo Pasolini was one of the most important poets of the last century.

I would recommend a more in depth study of his entire film-production; especially Oedipus Rex, Medea (with Maria Callas), Pigpen and The Gospel According to St. Matthew

His career as a political columnist was more than interesting and earned him undying hatred from both the left & right wings of the political spectrum in Italy.
It is said that the one and only thing political extremists in Italy was able to agree upon, was that a world without Pasolini would be a grand thing indeed.

He was subsequently clubbed to death and the still unknown assassins finished the job by running over him with a car, several times.

As an audiovisual innovator he is said to have Fathered the extreme close-up, as well as the moving camera (using a baby carriage).

The start of his short film; La Ricotta is very amusing.
A classic scenery of Jesus crucified, with wonderful 60s pop-music as musical element.

His ultimate goal with Salo was to show capitalism in its sexual dimension.
I feel he succeeded...
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#23193 - 04/11/09 12:17 AM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: Woland]
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I finally got around to watching this movie.
It's not that bad, or maybe I'm that jaded.
For me some of the scenes are funny or just overdone.
I can see how some people may find it extreme, if they take it at face value.

I can see how they could have used it as a comparison to capitalism in its sexual dimension.
The little people don't matter, no one would miss them, and their only use is to serve the aristocracy.

It was okay, I have to reread the story to see the comparison.

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#23618 - 04/21/09 04:34 AM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: Morgan]
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the title "saló" hasn't much to do with 120 days of sodom. the director pasolini grew up in saló (i think, as the special features pointed out to me), and that's the only reason i can conceive of for him to set this film in modern times. setting it in revolutionary france would have been far more accurate and visually appealing to me. imagine the opportunities for overflowing bosoms and beauty marks!
however, as a statement of pasolini's personal history, i think it is extremely powerful.

the dialogue did stick closely to the novel, which, being highly descriptive, is far more shocking than the film. the children in the novel are between 12 and 14, and they were clearly older in the movie. i found this disappointing, although naturally had they been actual children i would have been outraged. there's just no pleasing me, is there? the dialogue, for the most part, was excessive, and relied on the shock value of naughty words in the hopes that no one would notice the lack of action. much of it was identical to de sade's work.
i'd like to have seen more graphic violence and sex, the most graphic representation being the feast of feces, which was my favorite scene.

a performance of note was by caterina boratto (signora castelli), who, with her caterpillar eyelashes and ambiguous sexuality oozed maleficence.

i completely agree with most people, this one was a slow burner. yet some of you having watched the film several times and being scholars of pasolini, must have particular insights into the film. if i'm feeling patient i might give it another go.

woland, thanks for all the info on pasolini! i'm tempted to rent the criterion edition now, for the commentary on the political climate. and by the way- maria callas? are you an opera fan perchance? medea was one of la divina's signature roles. have you seen the 64' covent garden tosca with gobbi? scarpia was never more diabolical!
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#23762 - 04/24/09 01:34 PM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: miriam]
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De Sade is a literary hero of mine. No one challenged 18th century social/sexual/moral conventions like he did. I like the movie; of course, I too should have liked to have seen it set in 18th century France, but I think it was rather creative to set it in fascist Italy.

No film, unless it was 18 hours long, could do justice to the original work. The first part is the only part which is completely written out. The other three are sketched out which he, presumably, was going to flesh out at a later date. The first part is, in and of itself, the size of hefty novel already. Completed, it would have undoubtedly been massive.

If I remember correctly (it has been several years since I've read it) I believe he had two groups of children; one group was actually around 8-10 (maybe 12) years old if memory serves, and the other group around 14-16. He had a group of eight "fuckers," whom would serve the four protagonists.

The problem with more graphic representations of sex is that it would cross the line into the realm of pornography (and I realize how fine a line that is when dealing with de Sade). Of course, I would have no problem with that, but pornography is taken less seriously, and I figure it would have detracted from the statement Pasolini was trying to make.

My favorite scene was the feast of feces as well, but I also loved the scene where the men married their "husbands." I just loved their dresses and their hats, their purses and their clip-on earrings. I found that particularly funny in the novel as well.

I liked the movie; I think, perhaps, what gives it the impression of a slow burner is that, as in the novel, a lot of time is focused on the gathering of the entourage (though the novel's descriptive depth lessens the effect) rather than actually getting to the real action. However, it is necessary. After all, to leave out how all of those people came to be at the secluded villa would definitely cast a shadow of confusion on the whole thing.
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#23920 - 04/30/09 04:19 PM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: Draculesti]
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i totally agree with you. pasolini's film would have been less personal had he interpreted the book more literally. but i still almost wish he'd gone more in one direction or the other; a higher dose of de sade, or a higher dose of pasolini. you jogged my memory, there were two groups of children in the book.

such a great book!

you're also right about aspects of pornography. had it been truer to the pornographic nature of the novel, would it have lost a certain audience only to gain another? i agree the film created enough sensation without it, but on the other hand, art should leave no "road less traveled." it should explore every aspect of human experience, including the repulsive, putrid, sickening, and (our puritan god forbid) the erotic things in life.

then of course, the question of whether or not anything (shit, elephants, suicide, fellatio- my favorite word) and anyone can be art. my instinct, my passion, says no. what separates pornography from art? is it the lack of a statement or mission, the lack of inherent ideology? this negates the concept of l'art pour l'art.

although my liberal sensibilities would like to say that art is in the eye of the beholder, i wonder what happens when the beholder is devoid of reason, experiential ability, and pathos. what happens to a culture wherein thomas kinkade and charlotte church are artists? a culture in which i am told earnestly (by no less than an italian national) that andrea bocelli is an opera singer of the highest order.

i have a sneaking suspicion that anything pasolini created would be viewed as art. the film would not have lost credibility in my eyes if it had been more pornographic. some people are artists, and achieve well above the mediocre in all that they do.

i've drifted off topic, but i do find the subject of gratuitous statement in art, as art, so stimulating.

postscript- other great pre-enlightenment works that challenged social/sexual/moral conventions:
L'Ecole des filles, L'Academie des dames, Sodom, Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure, Ragionamenti.
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#23922 - 04/30/09 05:11 PM Re: Salo - 120 days in sodom [Re: miriam]
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I think pornography can be art or at least, art can be pornographical. When Jeff Koons married the famous Cicciolina, he did a series called "Made in Heaven" which had creations that could be described as bordering pornography.





Not his most inspirational work but I've seen worse things in glass.

Of movies that have pornographic parts, I remember being almost upset when seeing explicit scenes in what I assumed to be a normal movie; It is not that sex shocks me but we are so used to seeing romantic rubbing in movies that when being confronted with real penetration, you automatically think "WTF"
"Baise-moi" was the title, a French movie from around 2000 if memory serves me well. I can highly recommend it.

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