#53506 - 04/26/11 11:40 AM
Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions
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If having an opinion gets you banned, so be it.
Looking back to your initial post... you didn't state an opinion, you asked a question.
This, in and of itself, isn't a big deal at all but the particular question you asked has been covered ad nauseum in the forums already as this is a rather long established place.
Most members have already discussed their opinions on the topic in a large variety of threads available herein (hence Morgan's nudge to go look for them).
What's missing, I suppose, IS your opinion (since you are the new one posing the question).
"How do LaVeyan, Setian and Thelemic world views differ with respect to magic(k) and self-realization?"
How do they differ to you?
"What do these terms mean to each?"
What do they mean to you?
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#53513 - 04/26/11 12:37 PM
Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions
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arjunasAscent
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How do LaVeyan, Setian and Thelemic world views differ with respect to magic(k) and self-realization? (How do they differ to you?). What do these terms mean to each? (your opinion)
I can't speak with authority for Setian or LaVeyan views even though I think I have a good idea of what they embrace. But here's what I know about Thelema...
Thelemic magick works on several planes- physical, mental, and astral. The ultimate aim of all Thelemic magick is to attain conversation with the HGA (Holy Guardian Angel), otherwise known as the higher self, or God-Self, and in so doing acquiring an understanding of one's Will and control over the passions. Aleister Crowley's Liber Samekh, otherwise known as Theurgia Goetia Summa (ritual of higher invocation), or Congresus cum Daemone (Union with Genius), is generally used for that purpose. Self-realization and Magick are intrinsically tied. The framework for self realization is built around egyptian deities. Nuit represents the infinite, Hadit the singularity, the union of both principles (Ra-Hoor-Khuit/Hoor-par-krat) the manifested paradox of infinite singularities, the HGA in us. Some people draw similarities between Thelema and Satanism, they both emphasize indulgence over asceticism.
Edited by arjunasAscent (04/26/11 01:04 PM)
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#53522 - 04/26/11 04:36 PM
Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions
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arjunasAscent
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Thanks for the excellent feedback Zebu.
Actually knowledge and conversation of the HGA is only the "first step" of real Thelemic magic.
Ofcourse the HGA is not some alien entity, but the "higher" mind, the counterpart to the Ego. An adept does not cease to communicate with the HGA, but there's no need for an overt manifestation. The Adept is in control of his passions. As for reaching higher states of being, that's in the realm of speculation and mysticism but not necessarily untrue.
Good stuff Zebu.
Edited by arjunasAscent (04/26/11 04:45 PM)
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