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#53478 - 04/25/11 04:48 PM Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions
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How do LaVeyan, Setian and Thelemic world views differ with respect to magic(k) and self-realization? What do these terms mean to each?
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#53493 - 04/25/11 11:36 PM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: arjunasAscent]
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Do some research on your own here.
Read the forums.
Learn to understand and grasp ideas without the need to have the answers spoon fed to you.

The answers are already here, you just have to get up off your ass and find them.

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#53496 - 04/26/11 02:59 AM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: Morgan]
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Youre entitled to that perspective which i respectfully reject. This is research.
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#53498 - 04/26/11 04:08 AM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: arjunasAscent]
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I don't think it is possible to respectfully reject the advice of a Mod. A Mod on a site of which you are a guest. A site which has rules that specify certain standards that those who use said site are to uphold. Either you failed to read and understand them or you are willfully disregarding them. Either way, you do so at your own peril.

This is not The Encyclopedia Satanica - then again maybe it is. Whether or not that is the case, I highly doubt anyone is here to entertain the questions of those who are too lazy to do a little more research on their own so they can pose a more specific question.

Rethink your approach. Or do not. The choice is yours.
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#53499 - 04/26/11 07:24 AM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: arjunasAscent]
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Your second post since creating your account, and it's to tell a Moderator to basically "fuck off".....

What was that loud sound?

Ah yes, I believe it was a sonic boom created by the speed of the banhammer descending upon you.
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#53505 - 04/26/11 11:27 AM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: Nemesis]
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I don't recall insulting anyone. If having an opinion gets you banned, so be it. I'd still appreciate answers from forum members. The question is legitimate and answers valuable to the entire community, wouldn't you agree?
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#53506 - 04/26/11 11:40 AM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: arjunasAscent]
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 Originally Posted By: arjunasAscent
If having an opinion gets you banned, so be it.


Looking back to your initial post... you didn't state an opinion, you asked a question.

This, in and of itself, isn't a big deal at all but the particular question you asked has been covered ad nauseum in the forums already as this is a rather long established place.

Most members have already discussed their opinions on the topic in a large variety of threads available herein (hence Morgan's nudge to go look for them).

What's missing, I suppose, IS your opinion (since you are the new one posing the question).

"How do LaVeyan, Setian and Thelemic world views differ with respect to magic(k) and self-realization?"

How do they differ to you?

"What do these terms mean to each?"

What do they mean to you?
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#53507 - 04/26/11 11:43 AM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: Fnord]
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Read my second post, that's an opinion.

Edited by arjunasAscent (04/26/11 11:43 AM)
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#53509 - 04/26/11 11:48 AM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: arjunasAscent]
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I'm getting rather used to trying to engage new users at my own intellectual peril.

At this point, it's obvious you have no real interest in contributing to even your own discussion thread.

Welcome to my ignore list, it's quickly becoming a popular place.
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#53510 - 04/26/11 11:53 AM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: Fnord]
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If you gave me a second I was about to address your question.
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#53512 - 04/26/11 12:12 PM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: arjunasAscent]
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None is stopping you from addressing Fnord's question.

This far, you're not really doing yourself a favor. You ask a question under the excuse of "research" while this should imply you doing the actual research instead of desiring it to be handed to you, by us.

Why would we bother at all if you provide nothing in return?

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#53513 - 04/26/11 12:37 PM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: arjunasAscent]
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How do LaVeyan, Setian and Thelemic world views differ with respect to magic(k) and self-realization? (How do they differ to you?). What do these terms mean to each? (your opinion)


I can't speak with authority for Setian or LaVeyan views even though I think I have a good idea of what they embrace. But here's what I know about Thelema...

Thelemic magick works on several planes- physical, mental, and astral. The ultimate aim of all Thelemic magick is to attain conversation with the HGA (Holy Guardian Angel), otherwise known as the higher self, or God-Self, and in so doing acquiring an understanding of one's Will and control over the passions. Aleister Crowley's Liber Samekh, otherwise known as Theurgia Goetia Summa (ritual of higher invocation), or Congresus cum Daemone (Union with Genius), is generally used for that purpose. Self-realization and Magick are intrinsically tied. The framework for self realization is built around egyptian deities. Nuit represents the infinite, Hadit the singularity, the union of both principles (Ra-Hoor-Khuit/Hoor-par-krat) the manifested paradox of infinite singularities, the HGA in us. Some people draw similarities between Thelema and Satanism, they both emphasize indulgence over asceticism.


Edited by arjunasAscent (04/26/11 01:04 PM)
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#53518 - 04/26/11 04:00 PM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: arjunasAscent]
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Actually knowledge and conversation of the HGA is only the "first step" of real Thelemic magic. The Guardian Angel is only a guide to lead the initiate towards higher states of being. Ideally, the highest grades of achievement (such as the "Ipsissimus") signify that the individual has evolved beyond the need for such guides.

Thelema and Satanism have some similarities. They are both alchemical paths of occultism with some diabolic overtones and generally libertine morality. Thelema, however, is a structured religion. Satanism is not, it being more freeform, chaotic, and antinomian.

I cannot vouch for Setianism, given my limited experience with their material.
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#53522 - 04/26/11 04:36 PM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: The Zebu]
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Thanks for the excellent feedback Zebu.
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Actually knowledge and conversation of the HGA is only the "first step" of real Thelemic magic.

Ofcourse the HGA is not some alien entity, but the "higher" mind, the counterpart to the Ego. An adept does not cease to communicate with the HGA, but there's no need for an overt manifestation. The Adept is in control of his passions. As for reaching higher states of being, that's in the realm of speculation and mysticism but not necessarily untrue.

Good stuff Zebu.


Edited by arjunasAscent (04/26/11 04:45 PM)
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#53524 - 04/26/11 05:12 PM Re: Magic and Self-Realization is LHP traditions [Re: arjunasAscent]
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I would've hoped for a Setian perspective. My understanding is the Setian strives for Xeper, a path of Self-evolution leading to Self-Realization or Thelemic Attainment. He does this through mostly non-ritualistic magic that expresses the principle of Remanifestation, which seems equivalent to Thelemic Will. Their belief is Xeper is only possible through active remanifestation and leads to the embodiment of the essence of the Prince of Darkness. I'm not so well informed on Setian cosmology however.

Edited by arjunasAscent (04/26/11 05:30 PM)
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