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#53670 - 04/29/11 08:29 PM The Current State of the ONA?
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Quite simply, what is the current state of the ONA?

In my day, the ONA was involved in real, and sinister, and really sinister activities. So much so, that no less than MI5 had become involved.

Today, most so called 'ONA activities' see to limited to just so much internet posturing and regurgitating old writings that can be easily found thru a simple Google search.

So just what is the ONA doing today? Where are the current torch bearers of ONA philosophy on such pressing issues as National Socialism or defending the Homeland against slavering hordes of the "undocumented" 3rd World masses?
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#53686 - 04/30/11 02:45 AM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
Quite simply, what is the current state of the ONA?

In my day, the ONA was involved in real, and sinister, and really sinister activities. So much so, that no less than MI5 had become involved.

Today, most so called 'ONA activities' see to limited to just so much internet posturing and regurgitating old writings that can be easily found thru a simple Google search.

So just what is the ONA doing today? Where are the current torch bearers of ONA philosophy on such pressing issues as National Socialism or defending the Homeland against slavering hordes of the "undocumented" 3rd World masses?


Like I said in a reply on another ONA thread here - the ONA is now organized as a (mostly anonymous) leaderless collective with autonomous local groups/gangs/cells/nexions/temples, or individuals, doing their own stuff.

This is the *third stage* of ONA dvelopment - for there's now enough genuine info about the ONA, in printed form and online, for people to be inspired by it and if they're interested to put its methods into practice either in a group or on their own. That was the plan.

A lot - if not most - of these local groups and lone-wolf individuals don't have a presence on the net. If they recruit, they do it locally in the old fashioned way.


 Originally Posted By: Fist
Where are the current torch bearers of ONA philosophy on such pressing issues as National Socialism or defending the Homeland against slavering hordes of the "undocumented" 3rd World masses?


There are quite a few ONA inspired or ONA linked NS groups *out there* - not only here, but in Europe (including Russia).

One of the main parts of the ONA ethos is its anti-magian stance. Like it says in some ONA text somewhere - the ONA both is and isn't a nazi occult group!

But it's now really for ONA individuals and local groups to be torch bearers - if they want, if they feel the desire to do so. Also, for them to choose what issues - political, social or whatever - they feel are important.

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#53745 - 04/30/11 04:34 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: SinisterMoon]
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Like I said in a reply on another ONA thread here


Ah, yes... that other thread has become a rather disjointed series of tangents and heroic posturing, which is why I thought I would post a specific question.

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...the ONA is now organized as a (mostly anonymous) leaderless collective with autonomous local groups/gangs/cells/nexions/temples, or individuals, doing their own stuff.


Actually, it has always been this way. Any organization involved in 'illegal' activities must be a network of cells or it will not survive - see the evolution of Myatt's ONA into C18, the BNP, EDL, and it's influence on the Aryan Brotherhood in US prisons. At some point in all of these organizations there are individual nodes linking one to the other.

In the Intel world it is called Link Analysis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network#Social_network_analysis

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This is the *third stage* of ONA dvelopment - for there's now enough genuine info about the ONA, in printed form and online, for people to be inspired by it and if they're interested to put its methods into practice either in a group or on their own. That was the plan.


In any event, my question still remains. What are these new practitioners doing in any real sense? We have a 'culling' thread that is running (as of today) some 30 pages. To date, has anyone been actually culled?
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#53746 - 04/30/11 04:47 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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I'm not sure if any of them have "culled" but I am quite certain that Satanist "cull" themselves by pottering where they don't belong.

Compared to Zion and Jihad, Satanism doesn't have a chance, it's not comparable, I'd say that us Atheist as a whole are more inclined to be against all of those ideologies when push comes to shove? Those who deserve to be called warriors are in the military or those who have actually overcome real combat situations. Sure you can be as sinister as you like but when it comes to level headedness in combat...

I wouldn't agree that being sinister makes a better warrior but awareness does, so to me "culling" is irrelevant as war is more important, destruction through battle not rat pack lynching, it's something religious people are obsessed about and something we ought to meet with force, if need be, lethal.

Hitler attempted to deal with the religious racial supremacy but history would dictate otherwise. Now we have racist neo-Nazi's, the current NS ideology is successfully ruined through subversion.


Please stay on thread topic of ONA current state.... Morgan


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#53755 - 04/30/11 06:25 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
my question still remains. What are these new practitioners doing in any real sense?


I guess you need to define what you mean by *done*. Do you mean done as in *crime* and reported in the media and connected to some ONA Drecc or the ONA? Or do you mean done and reported in the media with a mention of the ONA? Or just done and not reported at all?

Or does *done* mean something else? As in subversion, disruption, manipulating others to do stuff, or whatever? Or having new nexions/cells/temples spring up around the world, or have a new gang of Dreccs stake their claim to some urban area?

 Originally Posted By: Fist
We have a 'culling' thread that is running (as of today) some 30 pages. To date, has anyone been actually culled?


I refer you to that thread \:\)

Are we talking individual culls or collective culls? Is Jihad culling? Is inciting Jihad culling? Is what appears to be *accidents* culling? Is inciting someone to plant bombs in London a culling? Is manipulating someone to kill some perp a culling? Blah blah blah.

Do you expect some reported deaths to be linked to the ONA or some person to claim responsibility in the name of the ONA? No way! That's not how *it* works.

So, what *proof* do you require? If there is no direct *proof* that can mean two things - either it's all BS/urban legend, or maybe someone hasn't left any *trace*.

Most seem to believe it's BS. If you think about it - just why would anyone want to contradict that belief? ;\)

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#53925 - 05/03/11 09:57 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: SinisterMoon]
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I guess you need to define what you mean by *done*.


I quite purposely stated "doing" as in presently. What projects are you currently working on? Never the less, ok, what have you done in any real sense?

In the old days of the ONA the initiate was expected to practice the 7 Fold Way. Even if this were a Hermetic experience, one was initially expected to test his metal. Most traditionally, this involved a minimally equipped trip to the wilderness. You were expected to build a shelter, kill game, and return to nature. Hunger, deprivation and exhaustion was the object of the exercise - think Les Stroud on "Survivor Man." You were to run a marathon or partake in some other arduous physical challenge. You were expected to test your resolve and banish weaknesses. Every martial tradition in history has a similar process for transforming the individual into something beyond his normal self.

One of the things lost on most of today's would-be ONA devotes are it's Transhumanist goals. Every doughy black clad suburbanite with an internet connection reads online ONA material and goes into fantastic flights of Walter Mitty fancy. They imagine the day when they might get to actually 'cull' those who have kicked sand in their face while at the same time missing the point of the exercise entirely! The true practitioner must develop and harness his own individual power. This can only come from hard work - something that most present day practitioners avoid at all costs.

The ability to affect objective reality is a secondary side effect of the WILL to bring such change into existence. So too, accusal effects (second and third order effects if you like) require acts of will. Far too many would-be practitioners lack the individual commitment 'become the change they wish to see.' It is not illegal to petition or to become politically involved in an issue. However, when I look across the vast wasteland of the internet I see little more than empty posturing. From what I have seen, most modern ONA practitioners are quick to discuss the need to "cull the heard" yet seem dead silent on simple political issues such as Nationalism or Immigration.
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#53950 - 05/04/11 10:04 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
what have you done in any real sense?


You know, like I tried to say in an earlier reply - and obviously didn't express myself well, AFAIK most ONA folks won't go around boasting about what they're doing and won't do stuff in such a way that it connects them, what they do, with the ONA.

They won't leave *ONA calling cards* or silly stuff like that, or if they do political stuff (like as in National Socialism) they won't shout about being ONA. They'll keep their ONA links secret, known only to people they trust.

Same with doing some insight role - you don't tell people you're doing an insight role! You don't go around boasting - "Hey! I'm ONA and I'm insight role-ing as a cop." (Or whatever).

That said, if some ONA people want to open about doing stuff as ONA - fine, that's their choice. Like as in having some Temple 88 group. But AFAIK they're the exception not the rule.

It's about being practical, realistic - out there. It's about infiltration, manipulation, sinister-cloaking, blah blah - and learning for yourself by doing practical sinister stuff.


 Originally Posted By: Fist
In the old days of the ONA the initiate was expected to practice the 7 Fold Way.


Many still do - and they're the ones who mostly aren't here, on forums like this.

But let's get this into perspective - let's say in one year (and the figures here are just examples) 100 people take a serious interest in ONA stuff and began to start to do some practical ONA stuff or join an established group. By the end of the year many of them will have given up with maybe 5 or 6 getting as far as doing external adept. Some of these will fail. Of let's say the 2 who succeed, only 1 will try and do internal adept, and that person may or may not succeed.

Next year, you might get 1 person who does internal adept and succeeds. or you might have to wait for another year.

In a decade, you prolly will only get 3 people who get that far. Because doing internal adept is serious stuff.

In two decades, you might get 1 person who goes beyond internal adept. Or maybe it'll be three decades before someone gets that far.

That's the reality - because the ONA is hard, practical, and not for most people.

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#54060 - 05/07/11 04:20 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: SinisterMoon]
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In all sincerity, but your answers are rather vague and seem to be intended to avoid simple questions.
I'm also wandering what position you see yourself in concerning ONA, as you seem to throw yourself up as a spokesman. What other have you achieved apart from reading the wide-spread material?

That's the main question Fist is asking, apart from having read ONA material and forming little clubs where like-minded can mentally jack-off against "them mudanes"?
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#54061 - 05/07/11 04:30 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Dimitri]
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Isn't it rather obvious Dimitri that there are questions that can't be answered and that such will always be interpreted by some as therefor everything being merely talk? Would anyone share anything which through this sharing would compromise themselves?

Of course this creates a twilight zone but such can not be avoided.

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#54062 - 05/07/11 04:47 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Diavolo]
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There's a twilight zone and there's simply regurgitating and speculating while intimating expertise. There's so much braggadocio and self aggrandizement that anyone with an ounce of insight would HAVE to wonder about it all. In a lot of ways it kind of looks to me like a "Satanic Panic" in reverse.

"Really, we're REAL... you just can't see us! We're just REALLY GOOD at hiding things like dead bodies and ritual sites and... and... and..."

"Well... can you give us just ONE example... one shread of evidence?"

"Oh no... you just have to BELIEVE... really... we're here. You better fear us because well... we say so."

It was pretty ridiculous when the Christians tried to prove the existence of a vast Satanic conspiracy with no evidence, and just as ridiculous when it's done from the other side with the same lack of evidence that damned the Christian movement against the conspiracy. No evidence is no evidence and demands skepticism.

Else SOMEONE owes Mabon and apology.
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#54065 - 05/07/11 05:05 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Jake999]
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The problem is that what is advocated seems so outrageous to people, it can't be anything but talk. The reaction and skepticism is quite understandable and they might be right. But even if they aren't, it isn't going to be revealed.

I myself am not bothered about how much is true or not. I do not need that to see the value in certain ideas. That value depends not upon how many agree or how much is put into practice. The value is in the idea itself and everyone does with it what they desire.

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#54074 - 05/07/11 07:33 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
your answers are rather vague


What else do you expect on an open internet forum which no doubt is monitored by *certain people* ?

If as the saying goes you can *read between the lines* - or you have a certain ability like dark-empathy/Occult intuition - then the answers are not really vague, but pointers toward certain truths. They certainly do not avoid the issue.

Or you, like some others here, can just believe there is nothing being done, that it's just people on the net boasting, and that stuff like culling is all BS or urban legend. Which like I said before is fine if that's what you believe.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
I'm also wandering what position you see yourself in concerning ONA


There is no *see myself* and *no position* to see. And certainly nothing to be discussed or boasted about on a forum such as this, or using any impersonal medium of communication.

If this and the reasons for it are not understand, by Occult insight, personal knowledge, or whatever - fine, and therefore judge me or continue to judge me however you want.

But no doubt many will consider this answer *vague* and avoiding the issue.

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#54076 - 05/07/11 07:49 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
Really, we're REAL... you just can't see us!


If that's your take on the matter - fine. After all, I read somewhere that the ONA is only one man using a lot of 'nyms and so doesn't really exist and so doesn't do anything, hasn't done anything, and isn't a threat to anybody.

See, it's all done by mirrors. No, scratch that - it's nothing but tall tales and fantasy and wishful thinking spread on the internet. So no wonder they/we can't be seen in the real world.

And no, I'm not going to attempt to offer any proof to the contrary. If there is proof, then it's *out there* - like the ONA itself - and can be found, like the ONA (if it exists), by those prepared to do some wearying leg work in the real world, which may take some time, like a month, months, or a year.

But if there isn't any proof, and if the ONA doesn't really exist, then why bother? Exactly.

It's all smoke and mirrors, isn't it. Just like my answers on this thread are vague and avoid the issues; just more smoke and mirrors.

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#54089 - 05/08/11 03:09 AM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: SinisterMoon]
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What else do you expect on an open internet forum which no doubt is monitored by *certain people* ?

I sincerly doubt that someone even cares about what's written here. There are different zones on the internet, with the likes of you where mass-culling is being praised, chat-sessions about "secretive plans" on world domination. Intelligence has better things to do then roam the internet in search of "sinister"/diabolical conspiracies.

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Or you, like some others here, can just believe there is nothing being done, that it's just people on the net boasting, and that stuff like culling is all BS or urban legend. Which like I said before is fine if that's what you believe.
I refer to Jakes comment for this part.

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There is no *see myself* and *no position* to see. And certainly nothing to be discussed or boasted about on a forum such as this, or using any impersonal medium of communication.

In that case, why keep hitting the reply-button?

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I read somewhere that the ONA is ..

Exactly my point...

But I guess it's a matter of sinister cloacking and such.


Edited by Dimitri (05/08/11 03:12 AM)
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#54090 - 05/08/11 03:31 AM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
In that case, why keep hitting the reply-button?


It seems you miss the context of my reply - which was in answer to the specific question you asked earlier:

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i'm also wandering what position you see yourself in concerning ONA


To which my reply was there is "nothing to be discussed or boasted about on a forum such as this, or using any impersonal medium of communication."

But perhaps I should have been more clear, precise, and written there is nothing to be discussed or boasted about here or in similar places regarding my *position* and my *relation to the ONA* (if any).

Or perhaps what I wrote was fine. For the answer in general terms to your latest question - why keep hitting the reply-button? - would be: one hopes, as someone gone fishing almost always sets out in hope of landing a catch.

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