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#54091 - 05/08/11 03:51 AM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: SinisterMoon]
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To which my reply was there is "nothing to be discussed or boasted about on a forum such as this, or using any impersonal medium of communication."
The dreccian moon and nickname you have taken on here seem to indicate a different story, not to mention your explanatroy behaviour when the subject of ONA is at hand (even at topics from before your arrival).

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Or perhaps what I wrote was fine. For the answer in general terms to your latest question - why keep hitting the reply-button? - would be: one hopes, as someone gone fishing almost always sets out in hope of landing a catch.
Fine enough to those without a good pair of eyes. I tend to see similar faces and trends when comparing to other secretive groups and religions.
But you got the advantage of floating around in a self-created gray. It might be true, and it can't be true. But if you show gold to a golddigger then the question arises where the mine is..
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#54092 - 05/08/11 05:17 AM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Dimitri]
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ONA is currently "in your face" in every LHP forum on the internet. Yet I would like to ask if this ONA goes beyond mere words as some say grand "posturing" on the internet. "Smoke and mirrors" are all very well, and I am sure a load of people will buy into that, but there has to be something tangible that the ONA has done with their name on it.

ONA operate with an inner and an outer shell. Well, so does the Freemasons, who have their secret activities behind closed doors, but their outer shell is seen and they identify with it - their charity work. Smoke is smoke, but without the flame it is mere smoke. There is no harm in showing an outer shell as proof of what ONA is doing, and you can also do that in a legal way, for instance culling a politician with legitimate and legal political means.


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#54094 - 05/08/11 07:31 AM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: mabon2010]
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I can only imagine what would happen should tomorrow someone get caught doing the evil thing and publicly connected to Satanism. How long would it take before we start ranting about how they are not satanists, how they merely use “the devil” as a scapegoat for their acts? How this is “not” Satanism.

With all the pretense of elitist, being above the mass, being beyond good and evil, being predators, most of us hardly have the balls to jaywalk. Most of us are Normos, living a that harmless life even our grandmothers aren't offended; caged little puppies howling like wolves.

So we cry for evidence, not because we expect to get it but because it is so utterly unimaginable in our comfortable lives. Maybe if we lived on the edge ourselves, the idea wouldn't be that outrageous and we'd not need to exorcise these demons.

God knows what would happen should we, one day, really become satanists.

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#54098 - 05/08/11 09:35 AM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Diavolo]
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Ok, so here we are on page 2 and I think my original point is still being missed. Europe has a good many "right-wing" clubs and organizations centered around Nationalism and ethnic purity. These organizations are not overtly involved in criminal activity and are largely involved in grassroots political activities. Organizations like the BNP and EDL come immediately to mind.

So, my question remains, is anyone organizing or involved with any legal Nationalist type activities. I am not asking if anyone is committing crimes. I was also just wondering what sort of 7 Fold Way challenges anyone has faced? Again, I am not talking about crime, but rather is anyone actually applying the 7 Fold Way in real life?
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#54099 - 05/08/11 09:53 AM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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From what I understand about the ONA one either follows the path or not. One either believes Myatt or not. The state of the ONA can never be known....
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#54100 - 05/08/11 10:11 AM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
So, my question remains, is anyone organizing or involved with any legal Nationalist type activities. I am not asking if anyone is committing crimes. I was also just wondering what sort of 7 Fold Way challenges any


I'm not ONA, so this is limited to me, but down here “nationalist” movements are, these days, not really the thing. As might be known by some, and as evidence by our world record in “government formation”, we are currently in a political impasse. One of the “new” biggest parties are the Flemish Separatists and prefer to dismantle this country, going our own way as Flanders. I'm one of them and although my involvement isn't at a political level, I'm involved in the groundwork or what I call memetic manipulation. Of course this isn't the sort of romantic semi-anarchistic state-disruption and it doesn't require violent means or standing atop of barricades but it is the sort of mind-moving labor that has to be done to create enough tolerance or agreement making a future separation possible. That this would imply an Independent Flanders moving to the right is only a bonus.

So as an independent whatever, I am involved although I hardly find it a noteworthy pastime. But the possibility to see the current system collapse is just too attractive to not add my bit, no matter how insignificant.

Not mindblowing I agree but at times subtlety works too.

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#54103 - 05/08/11 11:44 AM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
my question remains, is anyone organizing or involved with any legal Nationalist type activities.


OK, I'll restate my answers.

Yes they are - but just don't expect them to admit to being ONA, and don't expect a NS group run by ONA folk to admit it's ONA, although AFAIK there are one or two exceptions (one is in Russia last I heard), like Temple 88 chapters, or some small local groups who follow the Reichsfolk way.

But don't expect me or anyone to name the people or the groups or even give exact locations, assuming I had such info of course.

The best example here is Myatt - if we assume he was/is ONA. When he was in Column 88, or Combat 18 or the NSM or whatever he projected a purely NS image for himself and denied all Occult involvement.

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#54110 - 05/08/11 02:14 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: SinisterMoon]
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I can assure you, I am well aware of most of the activities of most US groups involved in one way or the other with Reichsfolk, C18, Blood and Honour, or WPWW. In fact, there is every indication that Reichsfolk as an organized movement existed in the late 60's to early 70's as part of a general pagan cultural movement in the US, and it predates ONA by several years. Of course, ONA took it and ran with it.

Most people involved with other Nationalist movements within the US are thoroughly unaware of it's connection to ONA and claim no Satanic or ONA affiliation. At best, only core leadership may be casually aware of it. Within the US prison system this relationship is better understood and ONA/Satanic symbology can be found in the tattoos of certain members - particularly AB, Hells Angles MC and Pagans MC.

In other words, as is usually the case, most of the flunkies in these groups do not know their own history of the significance of the things they are involved in.

Again, we have more than a few folks here carrying the water for ONA. I was just inquiring on their individual level of commitment.
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#54117 - 05/08/11 04:12 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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I'll bite.

The question Fist has regarding the 7fold Way was asked on Mr. James Lewis' Satanic Survey #3 which is still in effect at the moment. I did take the time to answer his questions, and a few of my associates not online also were asked by me to take answer the questions. I am also interested in what the General Population of ONA has to say about their involvement with the Practical Side of ONA. We''ll see the results in September I hear.

I thought I'd try and answer Fist's first concern regarding “Nationalism” and “ethnic purity,” seemingly in context to ONA. Since I would consider myself “ONA,” since I have connects who would consider myself “ONA,” since I have a small group of people who I consider to be “ONA,” and since I and my small group are what Fist's people refer to as “Ethnics.” Keeping in mind that this account is a generic account used by a few friends. [The individual using it at moment to write is Shugz.]

During the 30 that has actually passed since 1980, a lot has changed in general society and for ONA. There are now “Ethnics” in the ONA such as myself. I am 100% yellow skinned Asian. My people's culture is 100% yellow skinned Asian.

This presents a few issues regarding ONA. One issue is that even if I tried, I can't insight role as a white person to assume a role of a Nationalist who is in support of white people and their desire for ethic purity; simply because I am fucking Asian. Which means I am not white. Which means it would make no logical since for me to support publicly the endeavours of a group of people who desires to purify a nation from the likes of me and my people.

So now this brings into being something interesting regarding the current “ONA” as a general “entity.” Because now we have two camps: the white folk with their nationalist agenda; and the “me folk” in America and my people's interests and agendas.

In my everyday life I hang out with a group of people known as the Nation of Gods and Earths or better known as the Five Percent Nation of Islam. This organization was a splinter group of the original 1960's era Nation of Islam which developed during a time when Black people were radicalizing against white people society for their civil liberties. And so the 5% Nation today retains its 1960's revolutionary 'spirit' it was born in.

This 5% Nation is what may be considered the opposite in entho-ideology to National-Socialism. The Nation is focused on the community, people, culture, solidarity of the Original People ((all Black people, all Indians, all Latinos, and all Asians)) against the white devil and his white culture and his white society and his white trick knowledge he calls religion and politics.

I can say that on my side of the world, here in southern cali, where the demographics are right, that what ONA people I know and hang out with are also Black, Brown, and Asian 5%ers who would rather fuck a white boy up than support his ass and his race-centered endeavours.

This may seem strange that the ONA is in some way open to such ideas as ethnics being opposed to white culture and white society and white countries; but fortunately for us David Myatt and Anton Long separately wrote a few manuscripts about White Homo Hunris.

So personally, if you ask me what I am doing with my ONA, the answer would be that I network with the general population of 5%ers I know here forging strong bonds; but more importantly I make close associates of the military arm of the 5% nation often called GodBody Ciphers. These ciphers develop inside prisons in New York during the 70's and so what they came out, grew to become a hybrid gang. Most big East Coast gangs today are spawns of such old ciphers such as the Black Gangsta Disciples; Vice Lords; Almighty United Blood Nation; the various Crip sets in the East Coast; Folk Nation, etc.

So essentially in America – at least in my region – ONA is Ethnic and if there is or should theoretically be any Ethic Purity it is the Purity of our Indigenous People and the retribution against the white people for the crimes of humanity their ancestors have committed on our Indigenous People.

This “Ethnic Purity” talk is bullshit rhetoric thoe, because we all know ain't no god damn way every white folk in America or Ethic folk in Europe gunna be “genocided” into extinction. Instead of an ethnic purity happening in Europe, I see the depletion of white culture and white population being out-placed and overtaken by Arabs and Ethnic people and their ethnic culture. And we have to calculate the fact that your common white person in Europe don't even have a damn culture and that the ethnic people come into Europe with their own coherent culture and weltanschaaung.

And you can't even control ethnic purity either because we all know that the moment a hot Arab bitch walk into your nations, one of you white Irish boys or some other white boy is gunna sleep with her and make mixed babies anyways. So not only are your white people being over populated by ethnics, but your own white boys and white girls can't keep their genitals in the right race in the first place to insure aeonic racial purity.

Do I or my side of the ONA in southern cali care about this? Look at my skin color and what your ancestors did to mines, and ask youself if I care about some group of white people off in some distant place who have no direct connection to me if I give a shit.

Not only that but what kind of racial purity are you as a white breed of homo sapiens gunna be bitching about when in 10 years my Chinese people will own your white ass? Your white children will be indentured servants to my future people.

If one is in this ONA thing for that old skool racial supremacy and purity shit and you're banging with the white race; than you are ignorant about how the flow of Time and aeonics works and you automatically on the losing team anyways.

Just on a biological level, Ethnic people already out number white people. In the past the white race was supreme indeed. But because the European Empires took the time to divide the other races up and made them war with each other. Today things are nationally and socially and economically different. You can't hold down colored folk any more boy. You can keep us divided anymore. And your ancestors gave us today the means to come together: the fucked up way you treated us and our ancestors.

On an economic level, in 25 years, Europe and America will be third world countries over populated by Muslims and Mexicans. I'm moving to Canada!

But this is all 1980's talk right? We're living in the 2011's. Genration Y will soon inherit this social order and also this ONA. The question that we should ask and be interested in is what are these Y Generation ONA-ers striving for or moving towards? Or what is it that they as a people and generation distinct from the Baby-Boomers and X Gen need and want and are stimulated by to struggle and strive?

Do they get stimulated emotionally by racial shit? Do they really give a shit about the color of your skin? I'm Y Gen, ask me if I actually care. Maybe you did indirectly. I don't. And I know that the people and friends I know and hang out with – ONA or not – aren't the least bit concerned for racial war and race hate and race purity. We as a generation of our own, actually have our own worldviews, wants, needs, and aims.

If we do – in today's age – use that race oriented rhetoric, its only to induce in us pride of our own people, our own skin color, our own ancestry, our own cultures, and our own traditions. Other wise, I don't think that anybody of my own generation in or of of some ONA has the same concerns and objectives of a people in their conscious prime in the 80's. When I say “conscious prime” I mean to paint the picture that during our human life, there is a certain gap of causal time in which we peak in our conscious awareness of the world and our environment. Then that peak slowly falls as we age.

Those people that consciously peaked during the 80's who may have emotionally and psychological reacted in their human ways to the unfamiliar influx of other people and other races into their countries understandably may have become Nazis and Nationalist and racialist as a outer expression of inner uncomfort. But time heals and with time there comes understanding.

Those of us who are of the younger rung of X Gen and of Y Generation grew up in a very different social environmental. Are we suppose to react to this different social environment to people we grew up seeing as friends and simply human, in a way a previous generation may have reacted?

Should the ONA be stuck in a time warp and run on 1980's racialist software when the rest of the world and human race is rapidly changing and evolving into something that for the first time in our human history is truly a Human Race that share a single Earth?

I can't speak for others. But for myself personally, I am consciously aware of my racial identity and of others; but in such conscious awareness I don't process such identification in the same way as one of an older generation would. I simply acknowledge the unique difference and variation, and desire to perhaps be proud and mindful of my own culture and people, in the spirit that others should also be proud of their culture and people.

If I personally use racialist rhetoric in my sphere of friends it is only a means to an end. And the end is to bring back together the colored Humpty-Dumpty white people broke apart, so that we as an ethnic people can once again have our respective communities and respective cultures, instead of this secular White out that is eating away at such community and culture. Most ethnic people I know don't have a living sense of community or culture. If I do use racial rhetoric, it is to inspire or help forge what is missing for my own Indigenous People; and ONA is a major tool my friends and I use in different ways to get our own private "nexion's" agenda done.

THERE IS NO ONA AS A CENTRALIZED ORGANIZATION WITH ONE SINGLE GOAL AND ETHNIC ORIENTED OBJECTIVE. I HAVE SAID THIS AND MANY OTHERS HERE HAVE SAID THIS TIME AND TIME OVER AND OVER. THERE IS NO ONA. THERE IS NO SINGLE ONA THING. THERE IS ONLY MYATT AND WHAT GROUPS OF INDEPENDENT PEOPLE THERE ARE WHO PUT HIS SHIT INTO PRACTICE IN SOME WAY.

If I use racial rhetoric as ONA or not, it doesn't mean that I think White people suck. I agree with my own group of friends when they say that white people in Europe should wake up and nationalize by rooting themselves in what Traditions and Cultures their people have, had, or lost.

I don't think that “Nationalism” as a concept or principle is on my friends' and my personal ONA Ethnic “platform.” In the 5% Nation we refer to such National entity as the “Devilishment” as in the Establishment of the White Devil. The last thing I would want my people and future children to support is any establishment of the white devil. It's time that the white devil learns to live his own life, with out colored folk propping his ass up and feeding him collectively.

What I mean is in the past if European Empires grew big and powerful, that is was in part due to the fact that ethnic nations and people were vanquished and politically forced to support such empires. The enslavement of an entire race of Black people comes to mind. The treating of ethnic Hindus as Asiatic Niggers comes to mind. How the Chinese were treated and used to support the interests of Great Britain comes to mind. America as a democracy supporting totalitarian dictators in Africa, Central America, Arabia, and South America for their economic and political interests comes to mind. Learn to stand on your own two feet first, before you consider yourselves a Supreme Race; because the colored people you placed underneath you is the support and power base of that delusional supremacy of yours. Because when that foundation is removed, you fall and have nothing left but your own delusions, arrogance, and inability to humanly get along with other people different than yours.

I personally believe that it is time for my Indigenous People of any and all color: the black, the red, the brown, and the yellow; to come together to support each other and our future progeny, rather than live our lives supporting a white race and their establishments that does NOT care for us and wishes us to die.

So in my daily life with my friends, what we doe with our ONA and how we use it differs from how a white European ONA-er may express it and use it. And in that, there is no wrong or harm done. All the ONA is to each person is a tool or box of Practical Wisdom, one may use to get certain kinds of work done.

And this work doesn't always involve “crime.” And our gender also influences how we each use the ONA. Because a boy has his own interests and way of doing things, which will differ from a girl natural interests and way of getting things done.

So personally my friends and I use our ONA to forge bond between ethnic groups; develop a practical system of caring for each other, a system of mutual aid and mutual support, which will later develop into a community – ariyasangha – which would be an extension of our private families.

As an “ONA-er” supporting a Nation is not an interest of mine. Therefore for me and my friends we don't mess with Nationalism or white oriented Nationalist interests. In the sense that as an Ethnic person who is down for my ethnic people, and down to disrupt the State, I WANT more illegals to come into the country. I want to support anything that will help crack the coherency their Devilishment. I'll even support liberal agenda because they may be more prone to outrageous government spending; so as to help America go down into further debt.

So that's the answer to the first question. I personally do put ONA practical wisdom into practice in my own life, and sphere of influence. Which is not white nationalist oriented. It is the opposite with the best interests of my people in mind. Such activities usually involves street diplomacy between many groups of ethnic people; a sharing of life and resources; and at times, because of the environment and some people involved may include minor acts of violence and generic altercations between folks and groups that don't get along.

In my area, and in context to the demographics that I have to work with and be a part of, the white National Socialism doesn't work. Things like 5% Rhetoric actually works very nicely in bringing people together. Not for the sake of taking down some government, but more so for the realistic and human sake of taking care of our own asses and minding our own people's business; and rebuilding what community, culture, and collective identity white people systematically beat out of us. When in future such simple goals are materialized, and we have a working interconnected urban community of ethnic families and peoples; then perhaps we can ponder on Ethic Purity and Race War. When such theoretical times should ever come, by then the white race would have already been primed for extermination; because of your collective aeonic wyrd. That's if in future, such future generations of people will even give a shit about skin color.

The point is that the ONA isn't just a white boy thing anymore with white boy agendas. It is now also in some areas and thru some people an ethnic girl thing \:\) May the best faction win. In the end – according to DM's genius – which ever faction or group gets their job done for whatever reason or people, precenses his memes anyways into the future. Other point is that as a person – ONA or not – I like keeping thing on the real or on the practical level. It's nice that you as a white boy can chit chat and talk with each other about your dreams of racial purity or an all white Europe. But being the rational and practical type of person, I can help but assume in my ignorance that this talk of ethnic purity and white racial supremacy and clearing Europe of non-whites is old world rhetorical bullshit that perhaps was a staple of some post WWII zeigeist. I don't see it ever realistically happening. I challenge any pitiful white boy who seems to be so delusional to go ahead and try.

If you are white or colored and you are ONA and actually think that this racial war shit and ethnic cleansing shit is even remotely plausable, than nigga, get the fuck out of the ONA because eyou are just as delusional as a Christian who wishfully thinks some bearded god and some heaven exists. It ain't gunna happen. Quite minding other people's lives, and mind your own white ass lives before Muslims and Chinese people make you slaves. I'm being real on the real her with what white Drecc kinfolk are here reading this shit. Be realistic in your agenda. We already dealt with some whack job a couple years ago who thought ONA should murder 2 billion Mundanes. What the hell is wrong with this shit? We ain't playing house or make believe? No ONA is gunna kill 2 billion mundanes and no Europe is going to chase out non-whites. Hitler couldn't do it and he had the back up of his entire reichs. What makes you think some group of ONA weirdos in a back alley in Europe or in some semi-official nut-case political party is going to actually do a better job than Hitler and his boys?

Lastly regarding this “real” and “unreal” shit. IMO, when dealing with a memeplex that “dichotomy” is non-applicable. There are too many variables and factors involved in a single memeplex to make it fit into two simples boxes of either being “real” or “unreal.”

What is meant by the word “real?” That a memeplex has coherent doctrine and ideology? That a memeplex has human bodies to put it manifest it's shit? That a memeplex has a web presence? What are the actual criteria that determines if a culture, religion, philosophy, ideology, or group of people is real or not?

As a Buddhist, I know hundreds of people who are plugged into the memeplex of Buddhism that do shit with their Buddhism but believe its simple principles and sit still like trees once in a while. Are they real? Is their Buddhism real or fake? Is it fake because they ain't manifesting shit? Is it fake because it's just a belief? Or is it real because there are so many of them, its just hard for the ignorant to deny its causal reality?

What is Satanism to most people but a set of memes, which certain people use to post shit online and perhaps carry their labels and beliefs around in the real world? Do numbers make you real? Numbers relative to what? To 2 billion Christians? To 10,000 Raelians? To 500 Setians? To 5 Corona Crip Locos banging in their little neighborhood? To 10 usual posters here? People toss the word 'real' and fake around like Blackwood, but nobody ever defines it. Why are do you Believe your sect is “real” and why do you Believe another persons school of belief/thought to be “unreal?” What is the measurable and rational criteria behind both Beliefs? Fortunately ONA is “real” enough to be at least on a survey associated with a brick and mortar university.


Edited by Caladrius (05/08/11 04:28 PM)
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#54118 - 05/08/11 04:40 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
there is every indication that Reichsfolk as an organized movement existed in the late 60's to early 70's as part of a general pagan cultural movement in the US, and it predates ONA by several years. Of course, ONA took it and ran with it.


Well, I think you may be misinformed here. It's well documented that Myatt established Reichsfolk in the late 1990's (CE) to propagate his *ethical National Socialism* - or what Searchlight called his *revisionist version* of NS. cf. for example the entry in Kaplan's *Encyclopedia of white power: a sourcebook on the radical racist right* published in 2000 CE. For further references about Myatt and Reichsfolk check out, for example, Goodrick-Clark's Black Sun and the book by Taguieff: Prêcheurs de haine. Traversée de la judéophobie planétaire, published in Paris in 2004 CE.

Reichsfolk, BTW, is pure NS - with no association with any other pagan movement. cf. Myatt's *Future Reich* published by Thormynd Press, now long out of print, although I seem to recall some of it was posted on the Skadi forum years back.

The principles of Myatt's Reichsfolk has been adopted by Aryan Nations under August Kreis, and also by WSA352, an ONA nexion in California and Arizona.

More on Reichsfolk at http://cosmicreich.wordpress.com/

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#54120 - 05/08/11 05:03 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Caladrius]
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The problem here in Europe isn't the flow of immigrants as most countries having evolved into Nanny-States. Racial purity here has always been a funky thing since Europe simply isn't the continent of the white. While up north all are pretty pale, down south few are. People here don't need to fear their culture being annihilated by the influx of others because we did that pretty well ourselves. There is hardly any culture left and all that remains is commercialized. We're all individualized drones in an economic loop. Our system is through and through corrupt even when we “sell” it as a multicultural democratic success.

We are coursing towards an implosion because there is little left to hold anything together. Cleansing the colored wouldn't change that at all.

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#54121 - 05/08/11 05:08 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Caladrius]
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 Originally Posted By: Caladrius
The point is that the ONA isn't just a white boy thing anymore with white boy agendas. It is now also in some areas and thru some people an ethnic girl thing


This is VERY important to understand regarding the ONA (and excuse me shouting) and I'm glad it's been brought up here.

The ONA is now a collective (or kollective as some spell it) of diverse individuals and groups - just like Reichsfolk is.

For example, there are AFAIK some Hispanic ONA chapters in some metro areas just as there are *whites only* chapters.

In fact, both ONA and Reichsfolk actively encourage tribal groups - gangs - divided along ethnic lines. Why? It's all *out there* people, in ONA and Reichsfolk texts.

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#54122 - 05/08/11 05:13 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Caladrius]
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So you go on this rant (which I have condensed):

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In my everyday life I hang out with a group of people known as the Nation of Gods and Earths or better known as the Five Percent Nation of Islam...This 5% Nation is what may be considered the opposite in entho-ideology to National-Socialism. The Nation is focused on the community, people, culture, solidarity of the Original People ((all Black people, all Indians, all Latinos, and all Asians)) against the white devil and his white culture and his white society and his white trick knowledge he calls religion and politics.

I can say that on my side of the world, here in southern cali, where the demographics are right, that what ONA people I know and hang out with are also Black, Brown, and Asian 5%ers who would rather fuck a white boy up than support his ass and his race-centered endeavours.

So essentially in America – at least in my region – ONA is Ethnic and if there is or should theoretically be any Ethic Purity it is the Purity of our Indigenous People and the retribution against the white people for the crimes of humanity their ancestors have committed on our Indigenous People.

what kind of racial purity are you as a white breed of homo sapiens gunna be bitching about when in 10 years my Chinese people will own your white ass? Your white children will be indentured servants to my future people.


and then follow it up with this:

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Do they get stimulated emotionally by racial shit? Do they really give a shit about the color of your skin? I'm Y Gen, ask me if I actually care. Maybe you did indirectly. I don't. And I know that the people and friends I know and hang out with – ONA or not – aren't the least bit concerned for racial war and race hate and race purity. We as a generation of our own, actually have our own worldviews, wants, needs, and aims.


It sounds like you do care, and a great deal. Otherwise, why would you spent so much time bitching about the "White Devil"?

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If we do – in today's age – use that race oriented rhetoric, its only to induce in us pride of our own people, our own skin color, our own ancestry, our own cultures, and our own traditions.


Since when did pride include dwelling on perceived wrongs (whether real or imaginary) done to "your people" and spewing vitrolic hatred and anger at another people who supposedly wronged you? And not even you personally but supposedly your entire race. That's not pride anymore than that displayed by so-called White Pride groups that hide behind cultural and racial pride as an excuse for incitements to violence against other "inferior" races.

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Those of us who are of the younger rung of X Gen and of Y Generation grew up in a very different social environmental. Are we suppose to react to this different social environment to people we grew up seeing as friends and simply human, in a way a previous generation may have reacted?

Should the ONA be stuck in a time warp and run on 1980's racialist software when the rest of the world and human race is rapidly changing and evolving into something that for the first time in our human history is truly a Human Race that share a single Earth?

I can't speak for others. But for myself personally, I am consciously aware of my racial identity and of others; but in such conscious awareness I don't process such identification in the same way as one of an older generation would. I simply acknowledge the unique difference and variation, and desire to perhaps be proud and mindful of my own culture and people, in the spirit that others should also be proud of their culture and people.


You speak as if you are in favor of some sort transcendental utopian society where all races exist in harmony and that somehow "being ONA" will get you there. That "1980's racialist software" is the same that you yourself use and admit to using in one breath and then decry it as if it were outdated and obsolete in the next. I don't think you really know what you believe.

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If I personally use racialist rhetoric in my sphere of friends it is only a means to an end. And the end is to bring back together the colored Humpty-Dumpty white people broke apart, so that we as an ethnic people can once again have our respective communities and respective cultures, instead of this secular White out that is eating away at such community and culture.


Bullshit. If that were the case you should be able to do it without bitching about how far whitey shoved the shaft up your chapped ass.

I didn't read the rest of your post past my last quote of it because I've already had enough contradictory mental masturbation.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
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#54130 - 05/08/11 09:23 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: SinisterMoon]
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Well, I think you may be misinformed here. It's well documented that Myatt established Reichsfolk in the late 1990's (CE) to propagate his *ethical National Socialism*...


You know, I thought it would be rather hard to find this information in a google search, because on this particular subject, the Myatt crowd has been pretty much shouting at each other in an echo chamber.

My sources actually come from old books that I can't actually lay my hands on right now. Never the less, it seems that you can find some facts on the web:

http://www.againstnazi.com/nazi-hate-groups.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party_%281960s%29#British_National_Party_.281960.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Defence_League

Sorry Homie, but the 60's was a smorgasbord of counter culture activity. And a lot of folks were exploring old Norse paganism and old pre-NAZI Thule Society and Vril Society occultism. In fact, most ONA material is simply an evolution of Thule and Vril Society work.

You niggaz need to learn your history not HIStory.

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#54139 - 05/08/11 10:43 PM Re: The Current State of the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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Of all the ONA manuscripts I have read, I dont recall any specific directives to cleanse any particular ethnic groups. Myatt himself converted to Islam, whether for Insight or not is unclear to me.

As for the culling threads...

Some recent discoveries near where I live have made big news across the nation. The finding of about 10 bodies near a beach on Long Island. Some were positively identified as escorts for hire. Prostitutes if you will. The media is calling it the work of a mass murderer. For a split second I wondered if it was something deeper, but I digress. ONA literature mentioned that culling can be done naturally too. Such as natural selection, the junkie overdosing for instance. Not all activity has to be public, and it probably shouldnt be for the sake of secrecy.

I too took the test. Both of them.

I think anyone practicing the 7 fold way would do so in secret. The fact that Satanism in general is a individual effort, only reinforces my thought that even the ONA as a collective worldwide, will only be concerned about things which matter to them as individuals. The overall goal of ONA was to help bring the next dark Aeonic age. Homo Galactica. I still dont see where race would enter into the equation if they were working towards that goal, as a whole.

Committing crimes was merely a way to experience different emotions, thoughts and open different pathways in the practitioners mind.

Since I view many things in a literal sense, much of what I read and understood was that ONA didnt concern itself with ethnic lines. They didnt require the individual to focus on racial purity. Creating the Adept was the key goal. (in my understanding thus far)
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