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#53847 - 05/02/11 12:11 AM </OSAMA>
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Bin Laden killed in strike, USA says

Our priests have finally flung the goat of Azazel from atop the cliff, and watched- in solemn reverence- his mangled body break upon the jagged rocks below. Parade in jubilation back to the village to feast and sing hymns to God, for our holy nation is cleansed of sin!


Edited by The Zebu (05/02/11 12:11 AM)
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#53849 - 05/02/11 12:29 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: The Zebu]
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I think people will be disappointed if they think the problem has been solved now. I foresee big headlines in the near future.

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#53850 - 05/02/11 12:48 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Diavolo]
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There are already all sorts of people who are prematurely celebrating is if this one death will make any difference. Osama will be quickly replaced and the games will continue. I also wouldn't expect to see an end to combat operations in the Middle East either.

There will never be an end to terrorism without there first being an end to all human life. You can not fight a war on terrorism any more than you can fight a war on colors.
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#53852 - 05/02/11 03:23 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: The Zebu]
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It could be that I'm paranoid or overly cynical, but the timing of this is quite fortuitous for Obama - suspiciously so. What better way to boost his approval than to succeed where Bush failed, and to put that fantastic media goblin in the grave.

Can everyone sleep soundly knowing that we have been delivered from EVIL by our kindly overlords, whose overwhelming might, intelligence and resources only took a decade or so to locate and subdue that BAD man? I thought so.

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#53854 - 05/02/11 05:58 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Harvey]
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The man was in very poor health for years leading up to the September 11 attacks; he was likely killed or died soon after. Our government's just used him as a bogeyman, a reason to impinge further on our personal freedoms.

Coincidence is a rare occurrence in politics (especially big-time, American politics). It seems to me, this recent "discovery" is really just the start of a media blitz related to Obama's re-election campaign.

What's particularly alarming, at least to my mind, is that if we got rid of such an effective bogeyman...who's going to be the next one? Kristol's neo-conservatism (essentially embraced by both parties), influenced by Orwell, embraces the notion of perpetual war: I wonder who the next villain will be?

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#53855 - 05/02/11 06:01 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Harvey]
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than to succeed where Bush failed


Chimp just didn't care about OBL.

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Even the FBI doesn't mention 9/11


Edited by Evin (05/02/11 06:22 AM)
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#53856 - 05/02/11 07:07 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Evin]
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http://w-o-e.blogspot.com/2008/01/bbc-censors-bhuttos-bin-laden-murder.html

Normally, I'm not much for blogs; but the video and musings to be found here are pretty fascinating.

I tend to trust online sources more than major media outlets, but of course, take everything with a air of disbelief.

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#53858 - 05/02/11 07:35 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Shea]
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A Live Leak video consisting of a single picture of a supposedly dead bin Laden:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e0_1304318784

The light grey streaks in the beard seem to match up with those seen in pictures of him while stll alive, as does the nose and lips. Hard to tell with the rest of the head, as it's in a sad state

Or it could just be the work of a very talented photoshopper.

Also, I find it rather amusing that our military supposedly gave these pieces of shit burials which were in keeping with Muslim traditions. Hence the burial at sea (uh huh).

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#53859 - 05/02/11 08:32 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Nemesis]
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GREETINGS!

Apparently the news is saying Osama Bin Laden has been killed in a camp in Pakistan. For some of the family who lost loved ones in the 9-11 attack this brings closure, others celebrate because their dumb rednecks. Please be advised... This does NOT mean the "war on terror" is over.

This simply means we dont know WHO will be running the show from now on. Don't think for one minute the passing of one leader means they will back down and go away, some fool will step up and try and hurt more people. There might be a retaliation, and there might not be. DO NOT BE SURPRISED either way. Expect something to come from this, that is all these people know.
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#53860 - 05/02/11 09:32 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Wicked Satanist]
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General thoughts and reply:

I believe that he is dead.
I’m very happy that he is dead.
I don’t care if he was shot in the head, the back, or even if he just dropped dead of natural causes.
I don’t think that his death will make even a dent in terrorism.
The opinion of those who think that it’s in bad taste to openly celebrate his death does not matter to me one bit.
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#53861 - 05/02/11 09:39 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Nemesis]
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I dunno, his beard looks too dark. Maybe they have 5 Minute for Men coloring stuff over there in their mountain hideaways.

Anyway, he's probably dead whether it was staged right now for effect or he's been dead a while.

My first thought was to wonder who's next in line to be the Devil.
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#53865 - 05/02/11 10:12 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Fnord]
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It is at least a symbolic victory for the US - ObL was held up as "the big bad guy" and now "we got him". At minimum this will give a morale boost to US civilians and military, and be some level of morale blow to ObL's friends and allies.

Beyond the tribe vs. tribe bit, I agree it's unlikely to have much of an operational effect on (whatever's being called) terrorism.

Fnord, I'm guessing Gaddafi will be put in that spot initially. He's not really all that, tho, more like a Devil-Lite.
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#53866 - 05/02/11 10:16 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Autodidact]
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Exactly who I was thinking of, coincidentally \:\) He seems to be being groomed for the seat.

By the by, if anyone still bothers with Facebook, the calls for one nation under god are deafening this morning.

People are so easily led.
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#53867 - 05/02/11 10:18 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Fnord]
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One nation under god? Hmmm, perhaps they mean Allah?
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#53868 - 05/02/11 10:25 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Fnord]
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I dunno, his beard looks too dark. Maybe they have 5 Minute for Men coloring stuff over there in their mountain hideaways.


Here's a pic of before and after.

Look at the mouth.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Osama-Bin-Laden-comp.jpg

Shopped, in my opinion.

Even the beard is the same.


Edited by Evin (05/02/11 10:27 AM)

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#53869 - 05/02/11 10:35 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Evin]
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OK here is the fucking proof that this is fake.

Right here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake

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#53872 - 05/02/11 11:05 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Evin]
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Glad the fucker's dead. Probably doesn't mean much for overall long-term war on terrorism, but it sends a powerful message that the US will spend in excess of one trillion dollars, ten years and one million lives to get you should you feel like participating in terrorism. Persistent, much?

Al Quaeda can't compare to that kind of terror. Not with all the suicide bombers in the world. Above all, this has become a war of symbols. Osama is that twelve-pointed set of antlers over your mantelpiece. Were I American, I would celebrate the death of a grade-A scumbag today. Fuck it, I've long felt like an American; I'll celebrate anyway. Cheers!
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#53873 - 05/02/11 11:18 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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I really don't care. If they really did just kill him or if it is a publicity stunt, it makes for good propaganda and a reason to take resources out of Afghanistan and to use them elsewhere. If it was a publicity stunt and he has been dead for quite some time, it is a very good move to wait until now to release it. If it isn't and they really did just kill him, I never liked the fucker anyway and it is great timing for Obama.
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#53874 - 05/02/11 11:26 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Skaff, I hereby confer upon you the title of honorary, and better than most, American. \:\)

This thing is getting curiouser and curiouser.

I stumbled across an article in remembrance of the date that Hitler was announced dead (May 1). May Day, perhaps time for new beginnings?

Anyway, I've now read two articles that have disappeared about Osama being executed after the firefight... not during. This doesn't jibe well with the video ABC just released of a blood streaked room and bed.

I'll just chalk it up to people clamoring for info and posting up mis info at this point. I am curious about the final spin now though.
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#53875 - 05/02/11 11:38 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Fnord]
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Great as it is to hear of the death of Osama, since his victory on 9/11 he had been reduced to no more than an internet keyboard warrior, putting out the occasional internet video or statement.

Now new leaders will emerge who will be more behind the scenes, the al qaeda network will be reorganised into a new fighting machine.
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#53878 - 05/02/11 12:12 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord
Anyway, I've now read two articles that have disappeared about Osama being executed after the firefight... not during. This doesn't jibe well with the video ABC just released of a blood streaked room and bed.

I'll just chalk it up to people clamoring for info and posting up mis info at this point. I am curious about the final spin now though.


The bodyguards of Bin Laden have orders to always keep a bullet aside for him preventing he ever being captured alive. So no matter what the intention was, dead he'd be.

Many think new leaders will arise but al-Qaeda doesn't function like that. Obama was the ideological leader but didn't lead any operation since years. The organization split in independent cells doing as they please.

D.

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#53879 - 05/02/11 12:13 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Fnord]
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There were 4 other people killed in the operation, including a woman used as a body shield and one of Osama's sons. I'm sure we won't know whose blood stains belong to whom until after forensics has been through it and can match DNA and whatnot.
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#53880 - 05/02/11 12:30 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Nemesis]
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It will sure be a blow to them but the real bad-ass of al-Qaeda is still around: al-Zawahiri. I can imagine that someone who studied psychology, behaviorism and pharmacology sure reaps the benefits in this kind of work.

Sometimes a degree does pay after all.

D.

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#53881 - 05/02/11 01:10 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: The Zebu]
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To echo Fist's comments on another thread:

"Bread and circuses"

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#53883 - 05/02/11 03:28 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Nemesis]
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CNN just stated DNA was a match, which might be one reason why they waited to tell everyone.

I sense this will increase terrorist attacks, and his death will make him a martyr. Capturing him, trying him in court, then blowing his brains out would have discredited him. But I am happy he is dead regardless.

My words for today were thus:

"What do you think went through his mind before he died?"

A bullet.
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#53900 - 05/02/11 09:59 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Ghostly1]
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One Muslim down, 1 billion to go...

But seriously....

After reading what others have posted, here are my two cents:

UBL has been alive and well in Pakistan for years. He lived in a large compound built on, or adjacent to, land owned by the Paki military. He lived near the Paki Military Academy (think West Point).

The Taliban is a creation of the Paki intelligence service (ISI). The ISI has long played both ends against the middle in the AFPAK region.

It is hard to believe that the ISI has not known about UBL's compound for some time. As soon as AQ broke ground on their new compound ISI operatives would have been snooping around.

It would have been impossible for the US to conduct the sort of raid it did without, at very least, the reluctant approval of Paki Army.

How will this play out in Pakistan? Will there be a popular backlash?

According the President Obama, he has met with his national security team at least 5 times over the last year to discuss this raid. Thus begging the question, "What were you waiting for?" Perhaps this would make a good prop to bolster his 2012 election run? With all of the other serious domestic problems in the US, perhaps this was a perfect time for a little Bread and Circus?

If you will remember your Orwell, every Imperial/Police State requires an 'endless war' to justify infringement on liberty and gross expenditures in times of economic hardship. I don't see the 'War on Terror' ending anytime soon.

If there is a silver lining here, we have really broken the back of AQ. Most of their top leaders have been killed or captured. In fact, most of their replacements have also been killed or captured. What AQ is working with now is their third string leadership. At the very least, the US may have just shown it's enemy (the Muslim World) that it may very well have the will to fight for a very long time at any cost - a reality that they will find as shocking as a kick in the nuts.

Act One may be coming to a close. We still have yet to cease combat operations in Iraq or Afghanistan. And we are still engaged in a shooting war in Libya. I am more interested in what happens in Act Two.
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#53903 - 05/02/11 11:16 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Fist]
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Southeast Asia seems to be a distinct possibility; our quest for total dominance in the Middle East seems to be going as planned, so it seems likely that we'll move outside that region.

As Orwell said, "Oceania is fighting Eurasia. Oceania has always fought Eurasia." The Kristol neo-con idea of perpetual war has been accepted by what passes as our country's supposedly two-party system. A successful operation anywhere guarantees an additional operation; an unsuccessful operation anywhere, guarantees an additional operation.

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#53904 - 05/02/11 11:37 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Fist]
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According to news reports the Pakis were kept "out of the loop" specifically to not allow Osama/Usama to catch wind of it through them and flee again.

They denied he was even in Pakistan for years now. And if they deny his presence despite the location I dont buy it. But even our CIA and NSA have claimed similar issues with terrorist organizations forming near their headquarters.

As for the leadership, they would be wise to stay out of the public eye if they are to survive. Personal ambition, and pride is why even Usama made the occasional video to lead the flock of goat jihads to their deaths.

&2 virgins could mean 72 male goats....virgin goats. And they fuck him. That's a train that wouldn't leave the station for a while.
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#53909 - 05/03/11 11:19 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
UBL has been alive and well in Pakistan for years. He lived in a large compound built on, or adjacent to, land owned by the Paki military. He lived near the Paki Military Academy (think West Point).

The Taliban is a creation of the Paki intelligence service (ISI). The ISI has long played both ends against the middle in the AFPAK region.

It is hard to believe that the ISI has not known about UBL's compound for some time. As soon as AQ broke ground on their new compound ISI operatives would have been snooping around.



I watched some video about the compound he lived in and that was my first thought; did really none there find that even slightly suspicious, a "bunker", barbed wire and armed guards, close to a populated area and a military academy? If you sell nude magazines in Pakistan, half a platoon will raid your house within two hours and beat you to death while raping your wife.

But Bin Laden lives there in a fucking fortress since five or six years and none knew.

"Wir haben es nicht gewusst."

Too fucking funny.

Pakistan is fucked quite good. The government sure didn't want to rat out Bin Laden avoiding being the next target of the Taliban but now the USA friendly thanked them in public, even when they did nothing, some sure will be sweating.

D.

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#53910 - 05/03/11 12:39 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: The Zebu]
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No matter what actually happened in the SEAL assault, ObL has just been turned from a fading irrelevancy into a martyr. In the ongoing popular revolutions sweeping the Arabic countries, ObL's image and involvement have been conspicuous for their absence. Whether alive or dead, it would have been PSYOP-prudent not to "resurrect" him.

I was in Vietnam when Ho Chi Minh died. Some Americans rejoiced in the same way. I thought the same thing: Now he's a "supernatural, untouchable martyr". That's what happened: If anything, Ho's death galvanized North Vietnam to win the war "for his memory", and when they did they renamed Saigon for him.

I am also old enough to remember the same consequence from the killing of Che Guevara, who wasn't nearly as big a deal alive as croaked, after which the T-shirts, etc. hit the fan.

What you do with notable figures whom the USA once sponsored and later decided not to (Noriega, Saddam Hussein, bin Laden) is either arrange their undramatic fading into obscurity (Noriega) or let their own cultures or countries take action against them (Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia, pending-Libya, etc.).
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#53911 - 05/03/11 12:44 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I guess they sure gonna hate this then:

http://youtu.be/cw0AXjAaf3g

D.

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#53915 - 05/03/11 02:31 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Diavolo]
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Ah well, the video seems to have been set to private, I guess they did find it too "tricky".

It was created by NMATV, maybe you can still watch it elsewhere.

D.

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#53916 - 05/03/11 02:58 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Diavolo]
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I saw this video on the book of faces. The pig rape at the end is the best part.
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#53917 - 05/03/11 03:11 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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There's some things a pig just won't do.

(It's an old punchline from an old joke, but it fits.)
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#53928 - 05/03/11 10:23 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Diavolo]
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Well. I suppose we can start here. I put together a little collection of facts that I thought the readers would like to ponder.

Well, the euphoria has piped down a little. I decided to jump into the fray, here. This is too much, I can’t believe it. Osama bin Ladin and Barak Hussein Obama, sounds like an intertribal family bloodletting, or something. Any power drunken politician with his back against the wall, willing to score a few political points, would have gleefully jumped all over this one. The temptation would have been beyond imagination. Of course, bin Ladin has always been the symbolic prize catch of both parties in a political bloodletting in it’s own rite. I’d be willing to bet there are some in this admin who would have wanted to bring Osama back to New York and put him on trial, and who would consider such a raid to be crimes against humanity, and violation of international law. The same officials who advocated, and had a hand in court martialling Navy Seals for fat lipping a few terrorists only a year and a half ago. And, it was Eric Holder’s very own law firm that represented at least 12 of the terrorists captured and housed at Guantanamo. It was Holder’s law firm who spearheaded the charge to undue all direct military prosecution of these terrorist criminals.

Add assassin / executioner to Obama’s upgraded job description, with his new “kill order”, in a private residence, in the presence of women and children. It just carries a subliminal hipocracy to it, not that bin Laden's family is any more special than he is. You know, you’d feel like Superman, Spiderman, Batman, and the Lone Ranger, rolled into one. But anyone could just sit back and say; “OK boys, go get him , while I take all the credit”. Obama’s lawyering experience did come in handy here, when he told them to bring back some DNA.

It makes me think of the caliper of people who really initiated this kind of thing. Sig Sauer is getting rave reviews in the Obama media right now. So, a war on terror that simply didn’t exist prior to Obama’s election, is not over by a long shot, and thus has become a politically expedient mantra. One ideological charade after another, a cascade of it. We need to see all those graphic photos, but they say it will cause further inflammation, Ha Ha, can you believe that? Inflammation of Obama’s prostate. Memory either doesn’t exist, or it’s conveniently awful short, out there. Remember all the graphic prison torture camp photos? How all this would just create more terrorists? We need some photos! Where’s the proof? You Tube videos….anyone? I suppose we’ll have to wait for some crusader in the media to break into the archive. I think we’ll be waiting a long time. This is what brought us the American Anti Torture Act, sponsored by the venerable mush mouthed Barney Frank. Does that make you sleep better at night?

It’s my understanding that they offered Osama a chance to surrender, and instead, he came out shooting, while throwing up his wives as human shields. That would make a good video. Apparently why they need polygamy, in order to make more effective shields, while breeding more of them. Just surround yourself with them. Boy, what a guy! These are our Middle East allies, here! Where’s all the human rights, international law vomiteers at the Nation, the Politico and the Daily Klos?

Trusting Barak Hussein Obama to keep guns legal is like trusting your pet crocodile to guard your chickens. All he needs is four more years, and you can kiss gun ownership, as we know it, good by! Throw in deportation of illegals, we need to keep the gangs well stocked with man power and weapons, while they are outlawing guns everywhere else. It’s an election year, and he’ll need all the help he can get. Maybe get them registered to vote.

The cat is out of the bag on a number of things here, with the Pakistani government in denial, but it really doesn’t matter. Business as usual will continue on, and it may even get a bit more strange. To say the Pakistani government didn’t know bin Ladin was there, is to say that ducks don’t quack. Ahhh, to hell with the Pakistanis, let’s go get him! Does the brain dead American media really believe that, or do they have some other kind of agenda? My GPS had him in eastern Iran, I guess I need to recalibrate. If any variation of a nuclear weapon does indeed exist, hidden somewhere in Europe, the Pakistanis are the most likely perpetrators. With the current Islamic revolution underway, the Pakistanis probably thought bin Laden, in the least, to be an unnecessary distraction, not worth the effort anymore, and at best, a threat to the current weakened political hierarchy in Pakistan, by way of civil war or overthrow. At any rate, the time to throw him under the bus was finally at hand, with Obama and bin Laden both at the right place at the right time. The unbelievable incoherence of Obama’s foreign policy is still intact, with his newly formed ambassadorship in Syria, under the watchful eye of his “reformer” friend, Haffez al-Assad. Who’s next on the kill list?? Muammar al-Qaddafi.

Feed him to Leviathan!


Edited by Dave Pellani (05/03/11 10:27 PM)
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#53935 - 05/04/11 10:00 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Here's a different pic

http://www.tsagoons.com/2011/05/03/the-real-osama-kill-shot-photo/

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#53943 - 05/04/11 01:22 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Evin]
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That one is photoshopped too. So far all three "Osama corpse" pics floating around on the web are fakes.
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#53952 - 05/04/11 11:08 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Evin]
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Here's the heretical reality, IMO.

A bunch of heavily armed men shoot dead an unarmed old man, in poor health, in a private house, killing several other people in the process.

Then those who sent to these men to kill - murder? - this man boast that *it's justice*.

Now, imagine what people would have said if a bunch of heavily armed Muslims had burst into the house of, let's say, Tony Blair and shot him dead and killed a member of Blair's family in the raid. Why killed him? Because they blamed Blair for the death of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Iraq and believed that by killing him it *was justice*.

These Muslims then take away Blair's body and dump it at sea.

You've got to admire the hypocrisy of the likes of Obama now, haven't you?

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#53953 - 05/04/11 11:18 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: SinisterMoon]
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SinisterMoon, I believe you largely have the narrative correct. However, you have to keep a few things in mind:

1. UBL was not some "innocent" old man. He did thing that caused those men to be there. Action - reaction.

2. Might is Right - Natural Law, tooth and claw...

3. Islamic cultures in general in incapable of developing the highly developed technologies and infrastructure required to mount this sort of operation.
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#53957 - 05/05/11 12:33 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
3. Islamic cultures in general in incapable of developing the highly developed technologies and infrastructure required to mount this sort of operation.


Fist; it took them ten fucking years. Highly developed didn't do much good there and they only got to him because someone "talked". That's as simple as technology can get.

He had a bounty of how many million dollars on his head? Now imagine that to be on someone here in the West. The Fed's phone line would be running hot within an hour. We'd rat out our mother for that cash.

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#53959 - 05/05/11 01:48 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Diavolo]
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It always seems that the "rat" is often an insider who has an Axe to grind with someone in the organization. That's how things get leaked from the US military. Their (Muslims) concept of sanity, if such a thing exists there, is obviously very different than ours. Considering an operation of this magnitude of sensitivity, in this case, with all due alterior motives, I would suspect the lucky guy to have been involved some where in the Pakistani intelligence network, and by now, he's sucking up Margheritas and Tropical Itches on a beach somewhere in parts unknown, about a thousand miles from the nearest Muslim, putting it all in perspective. Other than that, he'd be looking like a clay pigeon.
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#53960 - 05/05/11 03:07 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
UBL was not some "innocent" old man. He did thing that caused those men to be there. Action - reaction.


Define *innocent*. That said, IMO it's a weasel word used by nazarenes and their type.

You could say that Bush & Co - and now Obama - were/are *not innocent* either given how many deaths they're responsible for.

 Originally Posted By: Fist
Action - reaction.


Yeah - OBL was the reaction to the action of the west and its allies in the Muslim world.

It all depends on your perspective, assumptions - and prejudice.

 Originally Posted By: Fist
Might is Right - Natural Law, tooth and claw...


I don't agree with this - IMO it's the philosophy of the bovine bully, not the philosophy of human beings capable of thought, of being reasonable, and of using their will to restrain and develop themselves, and just leads to interminable stupid conflict and the same old type of animal-like human with a bloated ego.

Natural law/justice is an instinct for nobility and that excludes acting like a bully.

But this leads us OT and I guess we should agree to disagree on this.

 Originally Posted By: Fist
Islamic cultures in general in incapable of developing the highly developed technologies and infrastructure required to mount this sort of operation.


True - which gives us another angle to judge the killers. The military and economic might of prolly the most powerful empire ever verses one man and his band of loyal outlaws.

A band which evaded this might for a decade, and according to my info OBL wasn't betrayed - someone got careless, made a call and the call was traced.

Now, which of these is the *hero* here? The heavily armed killers supported by a massive military machine - or a few guys with small arms, no air support, blah blah blah.

Forget what these guys are *alleged to have done* - history a thousand years from now may tell it another way when this mighty empire is no more, just like all mighty empires before it.

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#53962 - 05/05/11 08:15 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: SinisterMoon]
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At this point its done.

Alleged or not, he pushed into motion events that resulted in a lot of people dying. Which then pushed a lot of other people to die.

It's a big circle. At this point, there is no real end in sight.

If anything, its about money. Follow the money and see who stands to make a profit off of this. Those will be the ones who write the history books.

Not a bunch of people hiding who like to keep their women underfoot, silent, and under burka's...

Oh, and just because Myatt "converted" then "unconverted" doesn't make it the right path to follow. You still have to think and decide what is the right path for yourself otherwise you are no better than the mundanes.

What ever, he's dead, on to the next stage/event/scapegoat.

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#53964 - 05/05/11 12:50 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
he pushed into motion events that resulted in a lot of people dying.


Well, where did the pushing start? With the dispossession of the Palestinians, or the carving up of the mid-east by the western colonialists after world war one in accord with the Sykes–Picot Agreement?

Point is, each side had their *tipping point*, their perspective, their own version, their own reasons, their *cause*, and I'm only trying to be objective. To view the bigger picture of history.

That's my take on the matter anyway - and others will have their own views which is fair enough.

Like you say -

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
It's a big circle. At this point, there is no real end in sight.


Yep true - and from the side of the west, money seems to play a key role.

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
just because Myatt "converted" then "unconverted" doesn't make it the right path to follow.


True - and much as I respect Myatt for this practical sinister life, his path was/is his path. Mine is mine.

We should all make our own way, but we may sometimes learn a few things from others, which doesn't mean we imitate them.

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
What ever, he's dead, on to the next stage/event/scapegoat.


Very true.

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#53966 - 05/05/11 02:27 PM Summing Up ... [Re: The Zebu]
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#53968 - 05/05/11 02:53 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Dave Pellani]
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 Originally Posted By: Dave Pellani
It always seems that the "rat" is often an insider who has an Axe to grind with someone in the organization. That's how things get leaked from the US military.


From what I read it seems they got the info at Gitmo where someone revealed the identity of one of Bin Laden's trusted couriers. From him the trail led to his hide-out.

I'm pretty sure it didn't take Margheritas to clenched his thirst while gathering that information.

D.

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#53985 - 05/05/11 08:37 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: SinisterMoon]
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 Originally Posted By: SinisterMoon
Here's the heretical reality, IMO.

A bunch of heavily armed men shoot dead an unarmed old man, in poor health, in a private house, killing several other people in the process.

Then those who sent to these men to kill - murder? - this man boast that *it's justice*.

Now, imagine what people would have said if a bunch of heavily armed Muslims had burst into the house of, let's say, Tony Blair and shot him dead and killed a member of Blair's family in the raid. Why killed him? Because they blamed Blair for the death of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Iraq and believed that by killing him it *was justice*.

These Muslims then take away Blair's body and dump it at sea.

You've got to admire the hypocrisy of the likes of Obama now, haven't you?



Awww, poor OBL, and his "innocent friends" that were gathered in his compound/house. It's not like he wasn't known for killing people or anything and boasting about it himself. At least that SEAL team took out close people to him and not 1000's of innocents that had absolutely nothing to do with him at all with 4 planes. That SEAL team didn't put an entire nation literally on "hold" for days on end wondering what else could happen. Hell, Afghanistan does it all by itself and needs no help from our military. But feel free to sympathize if you must.

I personally wish we'd just blow the shit out of them, be done with the bullshit over there and take control of the oil. If you're going to invade a country then run the fucker and quit rebuilding them for people that don't give a shit what happens to you or your country. Or better yet, the next asshole that gets into control of the country decides your country has a huge bulls eye on it now (which he never would have seen that power had it not been for someone else taking out the previous asshole!). Take out powerful people, rebuild and help for that? NOPE. Either take it over completely or get the hell out and let them destroy themselves, because they eventually will. Whether by threatening the US enough that we finally do blow them up, or by killing themselves off. I don't care which. But no more just "giving out a helping hand" every time a country beckons or when they don't "like" their leaders any more and can‘t get off of their own asses to take care of the problem.

You'd have a legitimate comparison IF Tony Blair had several cohorts take control of 4 planes and fly them into...say....several huge international complexes in Afghanistan and killed 1000's of people in the name of whatever deity he found fun to entertain. Or even blown up a transit station, or 2. But that hasn't happened, now has it? Oh wait…he did send men and women to war against the person that did stake claim to doing those exact things. Didn’t he? His was a reaction to OBL’s action. A lot of Muslims didn’t agree with OBL either. Obvious by the “leak” that lead to him finally being killed and a number of previous “leaks“ that have killed several of his higher leaders in his little group.

I'm glad OBL is dead and I'll watch to see which one of his cronies takes his place so the US government can keep their boogeyman alive and well. They’ll need it to keep the sheeple in line now that this boogeyman is dead and tossed out to sea (which even that was too good for him). The boogeyman keeps them distracted from what really needs to be addressed. But hey, what the hell….it’s only America after all, and Obama really did need the voters' boost.
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#53994 - 05/06/11 05:32 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: The Zebu]
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It occurs to me that many people like to point at hypocrisy and while doing so are exactly doing that. Even more fun to wade trough the pages of different views and takes on the whole action with the very beginnings of new conspiracy theories. (And I'm honestly waiting what some conspirationists are trying to come up with now..).

As far as I'm concerned, a iconized symbol for evil to the West and a face for extremist Islam has been erased from existence. Who will be the next face of "prime evil"? I agree with Sinistermoon on the point of "Highly trained soldiers killed an old ill man". Add the 10 fucking years of searching after that guy and it will be quite clear who the real losers are. It doesn't even matter he got killed, taking all actions in consideration UBL is still leading with a final score of 2-1.

The announcement of Obama was nice since it displayed a high level of diplomatic thinking.
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#53997 - 05/06/11 09:57 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Nyte]
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 Originally Posted By: Nyte
It's not like he wasn't known for killing people


*Known for* is different from proven by due process of law. One hypocrisy here - for those who reason - is that the US gov and its officials and minions boast about their way of life based on such a due process, yet when it suits them the process gets ignored.

That said, the US has killed far more people than OBL ever did - in Iraq and Afghanistan. Far more *civilians* than OBL ever did. How many *civilians* have been killed by US drone attacks in the past two years? I bet you don't even know. But that's *collateral damage* while the deaths OBL *may* have been responsible for are *terrorism*.

Rhetoric aside, the undisputed fact is that a heavily armed group with air support and assisted by advanced technology killed an old unarmed man whose guilt was not proven by the due process these killers and those in their chain of command believe in an uphold, at least in theory and in propaganda.

It proves again that western governments have one law for their people and another for anyone who dares oppose them - and this is one of the many factors that, as the saying goes, will come back to bite them and be one of the very many causes of the decline and fall of their empire in the next 200 years (if not before).

So let the mundanes have their emotive, hollow, celebrations at the killing of an unarmed man. Some of us will stand back and see the aeonic picture.

 Originally Posted By: Nyte
I personally wish we'd just blow the shit out of them...I'm glad OBL is dead


Like I said in another reply here, I prefer to take a long term historical and aeonic view. OBL was but in a link in a chain that goes back over a hundred years. OBL wasn't the cause - he was symptom. The cause lies elsewhere. But few seem to understand this, so the cycle, as someone on this thread said, goes on.

Anyways, I've had my heretical rant - which won't change anyone's views - so as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing more to say on this topic.

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#54002 - 05/06/11 11:59 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: SinisterMoon]
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"It proves again that western governments have one law for their people and another for anyone who dares oppose them..."

No shit, survival of the fittest, might is right in action. It seems, Obama said he was going to do it while running for the job, and he did what he said he was going to do.

History is written by the winners.

Yes, war is a circle, etc...

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#54011 - 05/06/11 03:17 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Morgan]
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It's not "survival of the fittest" just because we assassinated an irrelevant old ideologue. Al-Qaida's principle goal in attacking the USA isn't about body counts or simplistic "eye for an eye" mentality. They have made it abundantly clear that their strategy is to provoke US invasion of Arab countries, thus inflaming anti-western sentiment and wearing us down militarily and economically.

For all intents and purposes, they did one hell of a job. And just when people were paying less attention to Bin Laden's antics, we did him the wonderful favor of granting him a martyr's death to make people starting thinking and sympathizing with him again.

In history, there are no winners.
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#54014 - 05/06/11 03:42 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: The Zebu]
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Even when he was the West's biggest demon for some years, there was something admirable about the man. He had his vision and dedicated his life to it while he easily had been able to live the good life considering his background.

That he would be killed when the opportunity arose was a given and it indeed shows our hypocritical side. At the one hand we go to the Middle-East to “promote” our “values”, which are of course superb compared to theirs, but when we have the opportunity to get to a foe, we completely ignore all we pretend our “civilization” to be built upon. Not that it surprises or shocks me.

This isn't as much a war on anything as it is game which will only end when there is no opponent left. I'm curious if this will trigger even more disastrous actions. Knowing what is available out there and what is missing in certain bunkers, options might arise which will really trigger terror in us.

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#54017 - 05/06/11 04:34 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
I'm curious if this will trigger even more disastrous actions.


No doubt it will, of the *causal terror* cyclic kind and from which a few people may learn something and so evolve. That's the only *meaning* and purpose of such terror. Oh yeah - apart from having fun with mundanes!

But the real, the effective, terror is acausal - *acausal terror*, a distinction which AL made, I guess from practical experience.

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#54033 - 05/06/11 09:10 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: SinisterMoon]
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General replies:

"It's not "survival of the fittest" just because we assassinated an irrelevant old ideologue."

My comment was in regards to the fact that this country will do as it wills because it can. That we use the laws when we feel like it, and disregard them when we feel like it.

Yes, we did go into a foreign country that has nukes and assassinate/take out a supposed unarmed man in front of his family. We didn't care about what happened next we just did it, because we had the knowledge and could do it.

In history there are always winners, they write the history books that aren't burned or destroyed, and rewrite the older books to make them more sympathetic to the current regime.

"This isn't as much a war on anything as it is game which will only end when there is no opponent left. I'm curious if this will trigger even more disastrous actions."

So true, and of course it will......

M
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#54067 - 05/07/11 07:11 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Morgan]
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I must agree that this is a purely symbolic victory for the nation, which is not going to have a tremendous impact on the country or the mid east. I find it entertaining that there are commentators arguing on whether to show the pic with his brain spattered everywhere as if that makes a difference.

This whole thing has me wondering don't we still have a giant debt problem? As guess it just goes to show that if you give congresspeople a chance to talk about nothing they'll take it every time.

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#54305 - 05/10/11 08:53 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Meph9]
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Either way....the man is dead now. Hope you all enjoy the read.
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#54309 - 05/10/11 09:16 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Nyte]
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And for those that were worried about more attacks....well...it is written but we'll see how many really follow through. And see we shall....
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#54364 - 05/12/11 11:38 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: The Zebu]
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A bit dated, but still an interesting listen ...

From a purely PSYOP perspective, a current faked "killing of ObL" has some interesting aspects. Obama needs a boost in his macho/antiterrorist image going into the election. Pumping yet more life into the al-Q bogeyman via faked "we'll get even!" messages revives American paranoia & support for the continued wars, etc. No body. No photos. No live capture [of an apparently unarmed old man] by several helicopters worth of SEALs (who had a red-carpet flight in/out of Pakistan ...
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#54366 - 05/12/11 11:46 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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A potentially interesting figure, and whom I didn't really know, is his son Hamza Bin laden who apparently managed to escape during the raid. He has been carefully trained as his successor and is obviously very very pissed right now.

I wonder if he'll make daddy proud.

D.

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#54367 - 05/12/11 12:24 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
A potentially interesting figure, and whom I didn't really know, is his son Hamza Bin laden who apparently managed to escape during the raid. He has been carefully trained as his successor and is obviously very very pissed right now.

I wonder if he'll make daddy proud.


Considering all "daddy" did was sit admiring himself on television and writing plans in his notebook which none of his agents were able to turn into reality, I doubt it. Al-qaeda is an over promoted bag of hot air.
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#54370 - 05/12/11 12:48 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: mabon2010]
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That is a quite silly statement.

First, the “sitting and admiring himself” isn't differing from what every politician does. None of them just goes in public without everything being carefully prepared. They have their speeches written by others, are carefully groomed and follow a script at all times. What he does is identical.

Second, it sure was a costly bag of hot air wasn't it? One of the goals was to drain the West of their money and I don't think anyone has been more successful than him. If you consider the amount he invested to the amount it did and does cost the West, he was a genius in what he does. Not even mentioning his accomplishment of affecting our way of life.

How much did Bin Laden cost the USA?

Sure he might not have had the influence of a decade ago but after his killing, his star shines brighter than before and his son, if he is competent, will surely benefit of that.

D.


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#54372 - 05/12/11 01:23 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Diavolo]
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@ Diavolo

Osamas moment of glory was 11th September 2001, and the events that happened from that moment were just ripples from his one big rock he threw in the pool. Yes his one action created a change in world history and cost $Xbillions but thats all he did, one action.

The rest of the time he hid away admiring himself, sending out the occasional press release or youtube video. Big deal. His organisation was unable to pull many more major stunts like that from then on, he was a man with his balls cut off. The CIA probably knew where he was for years, and only moved to boost Obama's presidential chances.

His son is a nobody until he proves himself. His organisation is in chaos. His son will be hunted down and captured or killed.
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#54373 - 05/12/11 01:36 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: mabon2010]
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Of course, all he did was the 9-11 thing and that was it. The rest of the time he spent watching TV. And now he died, al-Qaeda falls apart.

I truly admire your intellect and knowledge.

D.

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#54374 - 05/12/11 01:45 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Diavolo]
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Thanks Diavolo.

Those in power in the West have talked up the al-Qaeda threat and blown it out of all proportion to persuade the gullible mundanes to give up their rights and pay for the privilege. All those that supplied and benefited from Homeland Security and other security projects were laughing all the way to the bank.
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#54633 - 05/17/11 10:28 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Diavolo]
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You forgot cherry picking teenage Yemeni brides, growing pot, and stockpiling porn flicks. Gheez, sounds like a regular guy to me.....Truth is stranger than fiction. I would'nt need anyone to confirm what a bunch of hipocritical clowns these guys are. Bin Laden is only a small piece of the puzzle, and the Pakistanis were caught with their pants down.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, throw in his secret practice of "sorcery" (translated as black magick) as a victim of a theocratic power grab, and what you've got is the tip of the ice berg of a three ring circus.

I find it an enjoyable show to watch, with much more to come, just getting underway, and the only thing that really troubles me is the lives of great Americans who are making the sacrifices continue to be at risk.
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#54674 - 05/18/11 06:07 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Dave Pellani]
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 Quote:
I find it an enjoyable show to watch, with much more to come, just getting underway, and the only thing that really troubles me is the lives of great Americans who are making the sacrifices continue to be at risk.


An interesting word choice; sacrifice. It shows that there is fundamentally no difference between the opponents even when the one calls the other an oppressor or terrorist. Achmed blew himself up, sacrificing himself for the cause and becomes a martyr, while Joe died in combat, sacrificing himself for the cause and becomes a hero. The only difference seems to be size, technology and methods.

Some things never change.

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#54815 - 05/21/11 12:04 AM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Diavolo]
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That's definately one way of looking at it. I would pose the question of who would ultimately be the aggressor, and who would pay the ultimate price, albeit sacrifice, if we all just sat back and did nothing?

I think the obvioous answer would be Achmed, in his deranged quest for religious or spiritual advancement, mixed with some socio political economic agenda. Unfortunately, I don't see the typical Westerner as the type of aggressor Achmed represents, and I don't see how the two situations can be compared in this context, at least, I don't agree with it.

Again, unfortunately, I see us Westerners on the perpetual defensive. If that were not the case, it would lend more credibility to such a comparison.

I know it is somewhat hypothetical, but I think if you were to put it to the ultimate test, especially based on recent history, then I'll prevail on this one.

Who is right and wrong as far as what needs to be preserved, and what is at stake, I suppose is an open question to some, but not to me.

Time will tell......


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#55273 - 05/31/11 04:11 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Considering the Osama worked for us, and the CIA. Considering that we trained him to do what he does as well as a few other top individuals in that origination of "terrorists". I say it's mostly our fault. We bred the monster, responsibility to the responsible: The U.S. Government. I don't understand why the rest of the "intelligent" Satanists don't see or understand this conspiracy. It's all part of the government's own psychodrama against the American people. Whenever something is going on, they distract and misdirect in another way. Osama has been dead for years, there were WAY to many reports of his death before the fact...but because Obama the Superhero of Change announces it, the whole of America Believes it? BS.

The dollar is collapsing, Obama was tired of suffering approval ratings, riots happening all over the world... "HEY! At least we finally got Osama! Oh yeah, btw we still won't bring all the troops home. We are still fighting "terror"." You can't fight terror. Terror is a force, a feeling, not a seven headed hydra ready to strike you. Everything since 9/11 was just orchestrated to take away your rights and freedoms, make money for the big war machine and higher "elites", and stir up shit reasserting ourselves as the "world police force". It's all BS. I don't buy any of it. Thanks to our collapsing dollar, I Can't buy it.

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#55277 - 05/31/11 05:09 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Pizgatti]
MattVanSickle84 Offline
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The argument you are putting forward is a staple of the left. I'm not putting it down for that reason alone but you should be aware that this places you aside the likes of Michael Moore. That isn't intended as guilt by association, because you could both onto something. But here is why you're not:

If Osama bin Laden was trained by the CIA, which he was (for what I would argue was the just cause of fighting the Soviets) and then later on down the line attacks the United States, is the United States to blame?

I'm sure that repeating your arguments back to you is not enough to dissuade you, though it should, so I'll try a simple analogy since it doesn't require or deserve anything more sophisticated.

You are being threatened with deadly force by an individual, who is carrying a firearm. I personally, have previously trained you to defend yourself, I taught you how to shoot and I even payed for your lessons, you also are carrying a gun that I sold you (I moonlight as a firearms trader) and you prevail victoriously.

Does that then justify you to murder me if you want to?

I'll also allow for the fact that I trained you in my own interest (lets say for my defence, for political reasons) and that I often make huge, sometimes blundering and sometimes calculated errors. And I'll grant you that sometimes I'm just a bastard.

If you answer yes, what are your reasons?

If you answer no, you get a prize.


You seem to have reinterpreted "responsibility to the responsible" as "one must not take responsibility for one's own actions if one doesn't want to".

Maybe the popular leftist argument of the moment, (that simply: America is one of the most evil and ruthless terrorist states in recent world history) is true but I'm skeptical having looked at the whole picture and not just listened to American dissidents who masochistically, and solipsistically, blame America for...everything.

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#55288 - 05/31/11 06:29 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: MattVanSickle84]
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I'll agree that the argument I put forth about us training him does not solely leave us to blame. I was trying however to skirt around the real issue in my mind, which is the whole conspiracy at large. I assume that as in all walks of life even in the real world, that most of you do not believe in that part of my political stance. I didn't want to open my beginnings on this forum with me spouting what you all might assume to be nonsense. I'm trying to stick to the strictest form of just the things I can back up right now. I don't want to explain all about 9/11 and why it was suspicious, so I'll start with a few things I feel like finding right now...

This video fairly well describes the Osama death hoax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92Is1mRLndI&feature=player_embedded

This is a news report describing that he was treated in a Pakistani military hospital on the night or day of 9/11 and treated nicely with their version of the CIA on guard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OW4A-yd9BI&feature=player_embedded

I want to quote all the times that he has been reported dead as well:

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""Then on December 26, 2001, Fox News reported on a Pakistan Observer story that the Afghan Taliban had officially pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead earlier that month. According to the report, he was buried less than 24 hours later in an unmarked grave in accordance with Wahabbist Sunni practices.

What followed was a string of pronouncements from officials affirming what was already obvious: supposedly living in caves and bunkers in the mountainous pass between Afghanistan and Pakistan, Osama would have been deprived of the dialysis equipment that he required to live.

-On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced quite bluntly: “I think now, frankly, he is dead.”

-On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore,” before carefully adding that “I have no evidence to support that.”In October 2002, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told CNN that “I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead.”

-In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.

-In September 2006, French intelligence leaked a report suggesting Osama had died in Pakistan.

-On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.

-In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer and professor of international relations at Boston University Angelo Codevilla stated: “All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.”

-In May 2009, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his “counterparts in the American intelligence agencies” hadn’t heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed “I don’t think he’s alive.”

Now in 2011, President Obama has added himself to the mix of people in positions of authority who have pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead. Some might charge that none of the previous reports had any credibility, but as it is now emerging that Osama’s body was buried at sea less than 12 hours after his death with no opportunity for any independent corroboration of his identity, the same question of credibility has to be leveled at this latest charge.""


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In February, 2004, Iranian state radio claimed Osama bin Laden had been captured in Pakistan’s border region with Afghanistan “a long time ago.” Pentagon and Pakistani officials denied the report. “Osama bin Laden has been arrested a long time ago, but Bush is intending to use it for propaganda maneuvering in the presidential election,” the radio report said.

Osama bin Laden died of kidney failure soon after the September 11, 2001, attacks. In 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said bin Laden had kidney disease, and that he had required a dialysis machine when he lived in Afghanistan. That same year, the FBI’s top counterterrorism official, Dale Watson, said, “I personally think he is probably not with us anymore.”

A Taliban leader told the Pakistan Observer on December 21, 2002, that Bin Laden was suffering from a serious lung complication and died in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief, according to Fox News.


Something else interesting is that Osama met with our CIA and was treated at one of OUR United States Hospitals in July right before the attacks. Was apparently still in good standing with us since he was even invited back to CIA HQ. Even the Washington Times reported on this, but have since taken the story off the web.
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Re...ton%20Times.htm

We know the Bin Laden confession tape of 9/11 and much of the other footage is faked. Easily. Wearing gold where it is forbidden, nose and face don't match facial structure, too good health for his failing kidneys etc..

Al Qaeda was started, fueled, and began by us. We funded them for some time, although they didn't go by that name then. The national Security Adviser for president carter admits it in an interview:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7718
That article also shows how we funded them indirectly for awhile after that. Bin Laden was dropped from our list into hiding and as a "rebel terrorist" but we still kept close tabs on him.

Again reported:
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/28/investigative_reporter_seymour_hersh_us_indirectly

Even during Bush jr. we were funding them covertly to initiate "regime change".
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/280507usesalqaeda.htm

I just don't get it. Why would I believe that we "killed him" now, could have been any of those look alike clones. Could have been nothing since no one got to examine the body before it was sank into the sea. Nothing matches up, the government lies constantly in all directions. I won't be another sheep. If everyone else would like to believe that the 9/11 buildings were brought down "pancake style" by melted steel, that's their thing.

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#55292 - 05/31/11 06:54 PM Re: </OSAMA> [Re: Pizgatti]
MattVanSickle84 Offline
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Forgive me sir, I haven't read your post but I am fairly confident that I already know what your getting at. It's quite a long post and quite late where I am so I'll have to assume a lot.

You are skeptical as to whether bin Laden was killed recently or in fact much earlier and I would imagine you're skeptical about the whole official story of 9/11?

Am I close?

My father, I love him, but he is frankly a conspiracy nut, so I assure you I will be intimately familiar with where this is going.

I strongly encourage skepticism and using your critical faculties and I know the arguments well. Never trust the received wisdom, right? That's what Carlin said. No doubt you have looked at all the angles, tied up all the loose ends and done your research.

My questions to you are:

In doing this, how can you be sure that the people you have researched have done the same?
(I'm thinking Alex Jones' acolytes)

Have they been as thorough and what reasons have you to trust them?

Are there just as many holes in their version of events?

If you look objectively, without prejudice, you will see that there are many.
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