#54134 - 05/08/11 09:54 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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Ghostly1
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Registered: 04/10/11
Posts: 147
Loc: NY
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I found this forum by chance, in a Google search, and it was near the top of the list. If its at the top, it surely gets alot of attention. The bigger the event, the more information its bound to contain.
Without standards this would be no better then most of the forums on the internet. LTTD actually seemed more elitist, cliquish which didnt scare me, but annoy me into passing on even bothering.
There is always "three" sides to every story. More then one or two choices. If Im to glean anything from the rest of the seasoned membership here, the best way is to jump in, register, and participate. Many Satanists frown on internet usage. They say the real world is where we belong. I wholeheartedly disagree. Its our responsibility to use any tool at our disposal to broaden our understanding, and express pure thought in a way which is easier then trying to sneak around in a clandestine manner, and whispering in peoples ears if they want to talk about evil shit. This is convenient. This is "free" in that one doesnt need to travel to engage in meaningful dialogue.
I also appreciate the ability to read posts, reply and surf for porn, or weird medical images to gross people out with. Oh and Netflix.
I will stick around as long as the conversation interests me.
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#54189 - 05/09/11 12:58 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fnord]
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Thule
temp banned
pledge
Registered: 04/30/11
Posts: 68
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I just googled the site and found it. I join mainly to meet people and secondly for intellectual discussion. I don't normally go on satanic forums but might join some others later.
I am looking to join any sort of forum where I might meet useful people interested in similar things as myself. Unfortunately most forums about business, wealth strategies, self empowerment etc. are all scams or have only a few members and are inactive.
It seems the forums that draw the most people are more childish things in general (video games, racism, religion etc.). The people who are interested in concrete action (such as business, self empowerment, political power, manipulation, psychology etc) are busy doing business rather than posting on forums. Unfortunately I need to network and meet people and this is probably the easiest way for me to do it.
I am interested in any philosophy or approach that involves self improvement or empowering me.
My philosophy of life actually is satanic but I never think of myself as a satanist. Generally being a satanist means you want to "oppose" something like Christianity. As I've grown older I have less interest in debating people, fighting and opposing and more interest in simply doing better myself and not caring about what others think or do so long as it doesn't effect me. Therefore it is more effective to simply call my Satanism something else (Asatru) which is a more specific tradition.
Yet most Asatruar are not Satanist because they too are stuck in some loser mentality (such as want to recreate viking history). So truly I just scan any forum or area where I can find like minded people or useful conversation.
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#54192 - 05/09/11 01:06 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Thule]
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Fnord
senior member
Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 2086
Loc: Texas
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Generally being a satanist means you want to "oppose" something like Christianity.
This is the level of Satanism where the kids hang out.
It is step one.
Deeper study and deeper application is the way of the few.
Networking with real Satanists, particularly if you need to do so, is likely to be a sparsely populated road for you.
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#54210 - 05/09/11 04:13 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fnord]
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Invidious
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Registered: 05/09/11
Posts: 11
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I am here because I am not somewhere else. I've been other places, they were interesting for awhile and right now this place is interesting. Someday some other place might be interesting as well.
333.
Invidious.
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#54222 - 05/09/11 08:24 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fist]
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paolo sette
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Registered: 12/12/08
Posts: 263
Loc: IL, USA
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The reasons for my participation are manyfold. In the name of pragmatism, I'm writing a "Black Book" from my replies in the threads.
My determined Mind still persists, and I'm calling the few to "leap" over the precipise or crags of Reality: no matter what happens. My Mind as a logical instrument gives way to a Mind as embodying my-Self. This is termed by some to be "walking on a Dark road" on the othershore of Fire. This is being embraced by the profligacy of Satan who reveals mysteries through the Darkest clouds of Naturalism. All material things start from me and end in "forgetting" me. A Self that remains a Self all the time is no-Self: the Self is known as one that 'smells' to much of itself. The Self has to lose itself in order to be itself. Such is my-Self.
I take the opposite course of moral goodness, and step backwards to reach Satan: my-Self. I look backwards to a point before the world with all its dichotomies has yet existed. This means I want to face a world into which time and space have not yet placed their cleaving wedges. What kind of experience am I looking for? My experience has always been conditioned by logic, time and space. (Experience will be utterly impossible without metaphysical properties.) To refer to an experience without such conditions would be non-sensical, a pragmatist would say. Perhaps it is, so long as I uphold time and space as Real and not conceptually projected. But, even when these basic conditions of experience (time and space) are denied, I talk of a certain kind of experience: my experience which takes place in timelessness of the past, present and future.
Loki. Shiva. Devil.
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#54276 - 05/10/11 04:20 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fnord]
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Thule
temp banned
pledge
Registered: 04/30/11
Posts: 68
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Generally being a satanist means you want to "oppose" something like Christianity.
This is the level of Satanism where the kids hang out. It is step one. Deeper study and deeper application is the way of the few. Networking with real Satanists, particularly if you need to do so, is likely to be a sparsely populated road for you.
Indeed this is the problem in the world. Most people are sheep that need to be told what to do, general degeneracy etc. I definitely need to be around more people of quality- that is one of my life goals.
I think that most satanists probably don't call themselves satanist- there are really two types of people in this world. One type takes responsibility for their life and always seeks to improve and do better, the other type expects god/the government/someone else to solve problems, doesn't seek to educate themselves and is not the master of their environment.
Some people may feel there is an advantage to having large hordes of morons in society that we can exploit. Myself I feel society is being held back by the irresponsible and degenerate human beings. I would like to see a higher evolution of humanity rather than degeneration and dysgenics going on now.
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#54278 - 05/10/11 04:37 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Thule]
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Fnord
senior member
Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 2086
Loc: Texas
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Myself I feel society is being held back by the irresponsible and degenerate human beings.
True, however I can't deny that society (en toto) is largely responsible for creating degenerates of the weak minded.
I would like to see a higher evolution of humanity rather than degeneration and dysgenics going on now.
As would I. The question being, of course do we (collectively) really have any say in the matter?
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#60372 - 10/23/11 06:13 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fnord]
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blackflamedemon
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Registered: 10/23/11
Posts: 9
Loc: vaiden mississippi usa
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im here to try to be a part to and of the satanic community,at the end we should stand together if we gonna beat this spiritual warfare togethes as one and with unity.
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#60384 - 10/23/11 11:43 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fnord]
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Latvian
member
Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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The 600 Club is great place and personally for me it is the best place in internet... Only thing what I’m sorry – I joined the club so late...
I’m here to be together with likeminded individuals and here I’ve not disturbed by stupid retards… It’s only forum, where I’m member. Maybe I don’t have so much free time too to explore virtual world!
The 600 Club is very important for me – I live in Latvia and always I’ve been quite isolated in my satanic practices and now I start to communicate with real individuals who share my views and now I don't only read the books, magazines, explore internet resources, watch videos etc… I'm out of circle of close friends, who knows who I'm...
Of course I practiced Satanism and TSB truths before..., but during my staying here I see – I become braver in my satanic stance and it gives real joy to know, that we are so many!
And there is other point too - I feel my satanic pride is growing – I’m not so tolerant more against brainwashed crowd, religionists – especially to Christian freaks etc…
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#60418 - 10/25/11 01:36 AM
Re: Why are you here?
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felixgarnet
active member
Registered: 10/17/09
Posts: 689
Loc: UK
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Well, my turning up here dovetails with my turn onto the LHP after decades of studying and doing other stuff, which in retrospect feels like a sound foundation rather than a series of bad choices.
I was surfing the net for Satanic groups and forums, sent a little time on the Modern Church of Satan site, which was interesting but a little "young" for me and somewhere in that vicinity heard about The 600 Club which gave idiots a hard time and had zero tolerance for pathetic spelling, grammar and punctuation. That sounded like my kind of people and I lurked here for a few months before throwing caution to the wind and signing up, being impressed by both the standards and content here.
I'd like to say it's been fun so far, I've learned quite a bit, had a few laughs and, I hope, offered some decent posts. 
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#60443 - 10/25/11 09:01 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: felixgarnet]
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FemaleSatan
member
Registered: 10/19/11
Posts: 556
Loc: The Dirty South
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Simple answer, fear. When I started running google searches on Satanism, I found threads at 600 quite a bit. I was intimidated and respected a number of people here so never joined. I joined SIN.
Over time what started as being slightly intimidated, grew to mammoth propertions. So I joined because I always attempt to conquer my fears, and fear of people on a forum is retarded.
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#60458 - 10/26/11 10:15 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: FemaleSatan]
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Vinter
stranger
Registered: 10/24/11
Posts: 18
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I'm here to discuss and learn more about philosophies and viewpoints that are not commonly expressed amongst people I know and in the society in general. I do not have a specific standpoint myself, but I'm interested in different religions and philosophies as well as spirituality in general. So I guess that's the whole of it as far as my reason for signing up goes.
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#60717 - 10/31/11 06:24 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Vinter]
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HeWhoWearsShadow
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Registered: 06/23/11
Posts: 5
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I am here because this forum allows for intelligent discussion from many differing viewpoints. Although all who are participating in these discussions are more or less LHP, their views on the world are drastically different. Primarily, this is an educational website for me. I have not been here long, and thus have not contributed as much as I would like to; however, I feel that in time my understanding of the LHP will be sufficient enough that I can really call myself a member.
Another reason I am here is the satisfaction that I very rarely come across any idiots and BSers, and that when I do, they are dealt with in swift, merciless, and undeniably entertaining methods, which ultimately lead to them never returning again.
So thank you for all of that, 600C.
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#60985 - 11/03/11 03:21 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: HeWhoWearsShadow]
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MikeAndsaddie
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Registered: 11/03/11
Posts: 8
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
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we are here plain and simple to continue a journey that we have started and this seemed like a good place to start. Although I have lived on this shithole planet for 40 years, I am somewhat new to the idea of Satanism, but you have to start somewhere. Not looking for bullshit or smart ass remarks, we are just here to appreciate what we have come to know of what we are....We are not one to jump around trying different forums to gain information, I had stumbled accross this site and wanted to endulge in what it has to offer.....
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#62246 - 12/06/11 06:10 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: MikeAndsaddie]
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acf6767
lurker
Registered: 12/04/11
Posts: 2
Loc: Oxford, Ohio
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I've joined this for the sole purpose of being able to learn from other people who have been apart of Satanism for quite a while, and know more about it. Most places on the internet are full of some very shitty people, I'm tired of dealing with those who have no clue what they're talking about, do not have any sort of evidence to back up whatever comes out of their mouth, and who are just plain immature. After reading through these forums for a couple days, everyone here seems to be above that. The fact that people are attacked for being stupid and are humiliated really appealed to me. We need that more on the internet, people need to know they're fucking retarded. Even if it's myself, good. Everyone needs to be criticized, otherwise we'll never learn to become better.
A lot of the people here are older than myself, they've been around the Satanic community for a while. What better way to learn about it then actually talking with others who know more about it? I've been doing my research and have read the Satanic Bible and when I read it for the first time, it sounded like everything I've grown up to believe and think. It will be great learning other's viewpoints and thoughts of Satanism, only knowing one perspective of it would be ignorant.
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#62281 - 12/06/11 05:53 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Apotheosis]
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TillTheDayIDie
stranger
Registered: 12/03/11
Posts: 23
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I've come here because honestly I do not know where else I belong. My way of thinking does not readily fit anywhere conformable to public interests. I have been at turns an experimental aesthete, a nihilist, a Nietzschean, a Christian of various stripe, a Hindu, a general sort of New Ager, &c. I am hoping here to express my opinions and engage with others in a way that is both free and constructive.
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#63968 - 01/22/12 08:53 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fist]
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IntoOcuult
stranger
Registered: 01/14/12
Posts: 9
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To learn more about Satanism and other people's takes on it. I'm very interested in learning about the satanic rituals and also interested in thelema, too.
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#65480 - 03/16/12 11:00 AM
Re: Why are you here?
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Akireaus
Akireaus
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I came here to expand my sphere of knowledge in other realms. Satanism to physics and more or less all in between, I want to understand. Some other sites I joined, but learned nothing I did not know. And, for me at least, Satanism is just plain awesome. Why would I not want to learn useful stuff all day?
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#65481 - 03/16/12 01:28 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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Sorcerer
Banned
stranger
Registered: 10/31/11
Posts: 23
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I'm here to recruit soldiers for my Satanic Army of the Apocalypse, with the ultimate goal of taking over the world and then destroying it. I'm looking for people who are ready to move beyond "rock and roll Satanism" into a more apocalyptic "Black Sun Satanism" which can wage holy wars more militantly than any jihadist and seek total global power. To me this is the essence of the Satanic spirit, and all this talk about individual freedom is the talk of weaklings.
Banned, 3 or is it 4 times of this shit was the charm. Sean, please go back to your basement and play with your star wars toys while the adults talk.... Morgan
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Edit Reason: taking out trash
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#65483 - 03/16/12 01:54 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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Dimitri
stalker
Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3263
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I came here to expand my sphere of knowledge in other realms. Satanism to physics and more or less all in between, I want to understand. Some other sites I joined, but learned nothing I did not know. And, for me at least, Satanism is just plain awesome. Why would I not want to learn useful stuff all day?
The club is renowned for having that more/higher intellectual level concerning Satanism and browsing the older topics will turn up with a wide variety of subjects most "rookies" have trouble with.
My only critic is towards your first sentence of expanding knowledge in other realms. While the idea is nice I find it a bit more wise to fully live Satanism outside the different internet realms.
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#65485 - 03/16/12 02:46 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Diavolo]
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Zach_Black
member
Registered: 05/14/11
Posts: 545
Loc: San Diego, California
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Well at least Diavolo he has better grammar and writing skills than most people that preach this kind of non-sense. Hard to tell if he is serious or just trolling.
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#65486 - 03/16/12 02:49 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Diavolo]
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Lokian88
pledge
Registered: 02/14/12
Posts: 91
Loc: New England
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Why is it "nonsense" to assert a position that the individual supremacy people claim to possess might, conjoined with like-minded and mutually capable souls, create circumstances that rendered their collective strengths conducive to a world of their choosing?
Suggesting that everyone who assumes a position such as this is somehow "off their med's" demonstrates a terrible ignorance or indifference to the lessons of history, in which many, many different revolutions have taken place that altered the course of events in ways that paid off for the revolutionaries in question.
Rather than asking questions an intelligent person understand cannot be answered in an open forum ( ie; "how do you make this happen?" ), for obvious reasons ( only an idiot would discuss actual intent on-line, or the details thereof ), why is the question, "Why NOT a Satanic Revolution?" not being more seriously considered as a viable topic of dialogue?
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#65487 - 03/16/12 03:01 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Lokian88]
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Diavolo
RIP
stalker
Registered: 09/02/07
Posts: 4997
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Our friend Sorcerer has been kicked here before because those fantastic delusions become tiresome pretty fast. We all know it's just some crap someone is making up while spending his time trying to photoshop himself into some stock pictures.
If you wanna waste your time with people wasting theirs with fantasy, be my guest. Maybe contact the dude and see if you can get a date. But here, we got better shit to do than waste our time with his bullshit.
It's not because someone calls himself satanic, everything he says has to be taken serious.
The egalitarians are the second door to the right.
Not that I need to justify myself calling him a fruitcake, but should you doubt it, feel free to watch this:
http://youtu.be/b_h04ww28o8
D.
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#65503 - 03/16/12 09:14 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Dimitri]
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Akireaus
Akireaus
Unregistered
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Allow me to clarify. When I said "other realms" I meant other ideas, put simply. I guess I should say "I want ALL the knowledge, I want to understand ALL the viewpoints". Better?
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#65599 - 03/21/12 03:25 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: riasb]
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Diavolo
RIP
stalker
Registered: 09/02/07
Posts: 4997
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I joined the 600 Club to meet other Satanists, and to read and learn what other Satanists believe and where they may be on their walk.
I have had a inkling that I have been a Satanist most of my life, I just ignored it, until about 2 months ago. I am egar to learn.
I once had this car I loved. It wasn't a new one when I bought it but darn, did I love that car anyways. It had everything I expected from a car. I loved that car so much, I decided to road-trip with it through Europe.
The first week was a joy until the second day of the next week, in the midst of some retarded country, ten miles from some retarded village, it broke down. Then hell started and by the time I was back home, I hated my car, sold it and bought a new one.
Satanism my girl, is your new car.
You loved your old one; christianity, for fifty years but it broke down when your brother died. That's when you started hating your old car and needed a new one. But it never was the car that was the issue but you not being able to handle it breaking down.
What you do now is match the story, you fool yourself into being something you are not. I don't care since it's not me you're fooling but yourself. But this car will break down too.
And you'll look for another after that.
D.
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#65601 - 03/21/12 05:36 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Lokian88]
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Frumious
member
Registered: 03/13/12
Posts: 102
Loc: New Jersey
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Why is it "nonsense" to assert a position that the individual supremacy people claim to possess might, conjoined with like-minded and mutually capable souls, create circumstances that rendered their collective strengths conducive to a world of their choosing?
Lokian88, I’d like to draw attention to what I perceive as an insoluble dilemma when trying to think along the lines of your text quoted above, so I’ve taken the liberty of bolding and underlining key words, and beg your indulgence. But let me above all assert that I have no historical or otherwise contextual background on Sorcerer’s recent banning, so I have almost no thoughts on it, my interest in it strictly limited to taking it as a cautionary tale for myself, as I would prefer to stop posting here (if I ever do) by my own volition rather than as an enforcement of the governing prerogatives, and so it behooves me to know what those are, so I can be careful to operate within them.
Now - the bolded and underlined words. On the one hand we have “individual” and on the other hand we have four words that I deem to varying extents antithetical to that first word, the four being (1) “conjoined”; (2) “like-minded"; (3) “collective”; and (4) “their” – as someone for whom the condition of being an individual was foundational rather than incidental would to varying extents resist conjoining, dispute like-mindedness, stand aloof from any collective on principle, and tend to employ the possessive case in the singular first person - my, mine – when speaking or thinking of anything worth fighting for or working toward.
Consider, as an analogy, the anarchist. What sort of society would the logically consistent anarchist build? What sort of government would the logically consistent anarchist institute? The answer is, none and none. We could ask similar questions with regard to the person for whom individualism is foundational rather than incidental – for example, the Satanist. What sort of conjoining does individualism cry out for? What sort of collective does individualism philosophically align with? The answer, as before, is none, and none.
What sort of like-mindedness with others does individualism deem definitive for itself? What communal possessions, material or otherwise, does individualism intrinsically lay claim to? None, and none.
What, then, will individualism fight for or work toward? To be left alone. That and nothing more. If nothing opposes my physical or mental aloofness, or my social or economic aloofness, then as an individualist I stand unopposed, so I have nothing to fight, no adversary – and as an individualist I have all that I need, so I have no inherent reason to work, no enticement, except as motivated by something extraneous or additive to individualism. What sort of society, then, would I replace the current one with? What sort of government, then, would I institute in place of the current one? None, and none.
A fourfold question presents itself. Does something oppose –
1. My physical aloofness?
2. My mental aloofness?
3. My social aloofness?
4. My economic aloofness?
To the extent I answer yes to any of these, I as a Satanist would be faced with a choice as to whether or not to take political action. To the extent I answer no, there would be no political action for me to take – speaking strictly as a Satanist, motivated strictly by Satanic concerns – unless perchance I just happen to find politics entertaining or fulfilling.
Is the answer to any of these, yes? As a heterosexual male in the USA who is no longer in school, I answer no to the first three, and as for the fourth, I merely would prefer lower taxes if I could get them, and lower prices for goods and services, but as that would probably in the real world come in tandem with lower income, I find myself politically unmotivated from a strictly Satanic perspective. The USA is pretty friendly to the diabolical heterosexual male no longer in school. Now if I were a woman or a homosexual I would answer the first and third questions differently, and if I were still in school I might possibly answer the second question differently, and so, as a Satanist, and strictly as a Satanist, I would indeed be faced with a choice as to whether or not to take political action of some sort. I reiterate, however, that if I found politics entertaining or fulfilling, then my four questions above would be rendered moot, as the prospect of fun or creative self-expression would be sufficient motivation for getting involved, even from a strictly Satanic perspective.
Yikes! I just looked at the length of this post. I am quite the windbag, apparently. I’ll stop.
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#65636 - 03/22/12 07:26 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Frumious]
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Lokian88
pledge
Registered: 02/14/12
Posts: 91
Loc: New England
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Frumious, first I would like to say that having reviewed many of your posts and having regarded the articulation and even respected ( and rest assured, respect is an earned commodity to me ) the obvious studiousness you have employed in the pursuit, and evidentally attainment, of your respective philosophy I have even found pleasure in knowing that such potential yet exist in this age.
That said, you obviously make the assumption that I have not been as studious in the development of my own particular philosophies, philosophies which happen to have multiple historical examples of both the reality and feasibility of success when, yes, like-minded people pursue common goals.
Is your sense of self so fragile that you cannot percieve of a world in which those who claim to have, by and large, your own philosophy in life aid you in the creation of a paradigm that is most beneficial TO your philosphy? Moreso, if you truly hold to your philosophies, why wouldn't you want to aid in the creation of a paradigm that best suited those philosophies?
For the record, it's really not a subject I am inclined to debate, for my philosophies are altogether my own, albeit a conglamoration of the experiences and wisdoms I have had the joy of gaining from a fairly broad spectrum of metaphysical, theosophical, religious, political, sociological, psychological, historical and philosophical bards, all in the course of my own travels and experiences, and with such combined mental accuity I understand but ONE TRUTH:
If you are what you say you are then you will never be satisfied with a secondary role in anothers realm, for you either RULE or you are a fucking SLAVE. Those who will not fight for what they claim to be and establish their own paradigms, or at least die trying, are cowards, hypocrites, or simply content to be parasites in anothers world.
Laugh all you like at the Napolean's of history, but you are still talking about them, and I'd wager his existence was ALOT more interesting, exciting, and no doubt powerful than yours will ever be, at least until you get it.
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#65638 - 03/22/12 09:29 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Lokian88]
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Frumious
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If you are what you say you are then you will never be satisfied with a secondary role in anothers realm, for you either RULE or you are a fucking SLAVE. Those who will not fight for what they claim to be and establish their own paradigms, or at least die trying, are cowards, hypocrites, or simply content to be parasites in anothers world.
Questions...
If I buy a hot dog from a street vendor, which of us is ruler, and which is slave? Or is the dichotomy inapplicable?
If I am a member of some class, like, say, people with unibrows, and my class of people somehow becomes dominant over the rest of the populace, does this say anything at all about me personally?
If I want to engage in combat, wouldn't my easiest and simplest course be to join the military?
Were Napoleon's top men rulers or slaves? What about their top men? How far down the chain of command can we go and still consider the soldiers at that level to be rulers?
If I own my own business and am on the premises running operations by myself, without employees - am I a ruler?
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#66306 - 04/21/12 02:32 AM
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Moruga Scorpion
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Registered: 04/15/12
Posts: 28
Loc: Netherlands
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I found this forum through Google.
The first time I actually read something about Satanism was 15 years ago (The Satanic Bible) and since then I have been thinking and reading on my own about Satanism's forms and aspects. I have been in doubt about joining a forum about Satanism, because I think the main aspect of Satanism is pure individual thinking and I didn't see how that can be done in groups. On the other hand: sometimes I find some new books because of recommendations of others posting their opinions on the internet. Nothing wrong with that.
The reason I decided to join this forum is that I noticed that this is not the place were people are telling others how things should be. I am really interested in what Satanists think about Satanism, but I am absolutely not interested in what others think it SHOULD be.
I hope this forum will get me further. If it doesn't, then I'm out soon.
By the way: my English might not be that good. Sorry for that. I'm not stupid, English just isn't my own language.
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#66309 - 04/21/12 03:08 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Moruga Scorpion]
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Zach_Black
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Registered: 05/14/11
Posts: 545
Loc: San Diego, California
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Satanic Forums can be insightful. One of the plus sides to using Satanic forums is the very lack of a ' group '. Forums ( at least good ones) are typically a cluster fuck of individuals that identify on some level with each other. All though in reality they may not.
Networking in Satanism has allowed Satanists to openly communicate without the need to join a ' church' or ' organization'.
I personally prefer it this way.
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#67236 - 06/08/12 02:06 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Zach_Black]
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Kali
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Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 33
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I'm here to learn more about various topics and enrich my understanding. I'm still on the fence about my belief system and I'm trying to condense it into something more objective. I've been inspired by The Satanic Bible, as it gives food for thought. I don't think having fun and occasionally doing things for yourself is wrong, and yet I don't consider myself selfish or selfless. I think Satanism is something I never quite fully understood, and I'd at least like to get a more in depth understanding of it. I don't practice magick but I do consider myself more Pagan, as I think NDE's and afterlife does exist. I mostly believe in Reincarnation, but still not 100 percent. I'd like to refine different concepts. Maybe some others can help me get an idea of what Satanism is all about. I've been browsing this forum and reading various topics for about a year.
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#68082 - 06/30/12 10:45 AM
Re: Why are you here?
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Deep Time
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Registered: 05/12/12
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In some ways I find these forums refreshing.
Recently, for curiosity, I visited Christian forums. I asked the members why they believed that humankind's only hope came to the Middle East 2000 years ago and not some other place and time.
Why were they positive that Jehovah created the world? Why not one of the other countless gods?
Round and round and round we went. We kept coming back to "...because my book says so" and "Those other gods are false gods." I was accused of trolling for not accepting these answers.
I like that answers like that are not accepted here.
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#68137 - 07/01/12 02:13 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Deep Time]
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nith
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Registered: 06/28/12
Posts: 19
Loc: Aust, Tasmania
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It has been said before that finding people with unconventional views (said by Nemesis). Added to that is challenging the views and questioning both mine and the views of others is near impossible in many other places as most don't challenge their own views.
Like Mattle said early on feedback is a key reason and although I too have little interest in being part of a group it is hard to reflect on thoughts without some outside input. The idea that no matter how objective I try to be it boils down to my perspective so outside perspective works like a proof read.
I liked Diavolo's analogy “ Satanism , is your new car”. I find we can't blame the vehicle for it's limits not matching our expectations. We can mod and change the vehicle as much as we like but in the end it would be our fault if the destination was not to our liking. Though I have a curious streak as to why people pick vehicles/ paths made by others, the only all terrain transport/ path I rely on is my own feet (metaphorically speaking).
So sites like this are a road stop to see how I am going and if there are interesting sights I have missed or need to see again.
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#70169 - 08/12/12 04:43 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fnord]
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White
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Registered: 01/30/10
Posts: 12
Loc: Knoxville, TN
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I came here hoping to find out more about Satanism as a belief structure and a culture, and to find an opportunity to see how everything comes together in person.
I stay because this place has proven educational, inspirational, and amusing, and isn't full of hai masterz of teh dark lord beulzzabump.
In short, no regrets!
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#70195 - 08/13/12 06:35 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fist]
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D_Kindle
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Registered: 07/28/12
Posts: 13
Loc: South Carolina
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I,myself,wanted a connection with a different kind of approach to Satanism. My first contact with Satan and the idea of Satanism was through Lavey's Satanic Bible around 1993. Since then I've "evolved" to a more theastic practice but still love and intensly respect Lavey's ideas on the human animal. By being a little Laveyan and theastic at the same time may sound a bit contriversal but it actually gives me a broader view of Satan and Satanic communities on Earth. The ideas and discussions in this forum,so far,[I've only been a member here a few days] have been thought provoking and the people are interesting,too. Plus,I know people who are strictly theastic and they tend to "float away",losing touch with the real world and what not. I desire to be spiritual while keeping grounded.
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#70236 - 08/14/12 06:38 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fnord]
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Latvian
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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[quote=Thule]Deeper study and deeper application is the way of the few.
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#70239 - 08/14/12 07:05 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Filthmessiah]
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Latvian
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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...There is far more to the L.H.P than my personal concept of it. It is a very individual life philosophy, but seeing different (and sometimes better) view points gives a much greater understanding of the whole picture...
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#70306 - 08/16/12 02:48 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Filthmessiah]
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Latvian
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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...Not much about black metal however which is unfortunate... I consider it to be more than music and art. I consider it a valid aspect of the left hand path. It is a far deeper and more powerful movement than most think.
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#70315 - 08/16/12 10:05 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Latvian]
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Morgan
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Registered: 08/29/07
Posts: 2956
Loc: New York City
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"I like black metal really much and small secret - in black metal shows You'll not find stupid christians, jews, muslims, brainwashed religionists like new age fans, RHP freaks etc. There You enjoy community of Satanists, occult fans, individualists and people with black flame in it"
NOPE, you are wrong about this. There are tons of people at these shows that are not Satanists.
For all the black metal shows I have been to, there are idiots, poseurs, and etc. There are actually very few "real" Satanists.
Since a lot of the music is not even in English, people just enjoy the music and style. Most don't even delve into what the lyrics actually mean. That would be too much work.
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#70356 - 08/18/12 10:40 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Morgan]
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Latvian
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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Most don't even delve into what the lyrics actually mean. That would be too much work.
For example look Dark Funeral interview... Dark Funeral - my favorite band from Stokholm:.
Edited by Latvian (08/18/12 10:52 AM)
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#70364 - 08/18/12 02:19 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Latvian]
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Erich Zann
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Registered: 02/01/12
Posts: 193
Loc: Germany
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Black metal is truly LHP music
And how do you know what "true LHP" music is? As far as I know there are no rules for musicians when it comes to their views.
It's against herd mentality and organized religion [...] In my country and even in Baltic states and Scandinavia many Satanists meet in black metal shows - it unites us!
These two statements don't really get along with each other. It's against herd mentality and organization and still all of you gather there to praise some dudes on stage? Not that I wouldn't go to concerts, but please stick to what you preach here.
I played in a black metal band myself until recently and met several other band's members. Most of them are extremely laid-back when they're not on stage and have absolutely nothing to do with anything related to Satanism when they're not playing. These groups don't have to consist of Satanists or Anti-Christians to scream "Hail Satan! Burn blablabla!"
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#70365 - 08/18/12 02:22 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Latvian]
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FemaleSatan
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Registered: 10/19/11
Posts: 556
Loc: The Dirty South
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You can't hold up one form of music as being Satanic or LHP. Or have you defined Satanic as 'what I like'?
You like Black Metal. I think it's shit. I don't walk around telling people that my musical preference is somehow Satanic.
Why? I have the common sense to realize musical taste is subjective.
What's next posts on what to eat to be LHP?
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#70366 - 08/18/12 02:44 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: FemaleSatan]
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Jason King
Banned/Martyrdom Denied
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Registered: 10/24/10
Posts: 731
Loc: 65?1%833Q!92A24 (It's a code)
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You like Black Metal. I think it's shit.
I agree, but for the people that wake up just to listen to my mixmastery, I did Black, now, let's do METAL.
And for those fucktards who didn't get it, try this
Mixmaster JK
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#70368 - 08/18/12 04:26 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Dan_Dread]
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Diavolo
RIP
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Registered: 09/02/07
Posts: 4997
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I hardly think music, self-composed or not, counts as satanic in any way. Else if I'd knit a lovely sweater for myself, that could qualify as satanic too. And what about improvised folk-dancing?
Black metal is as satanic as talking about Satanism; both only at a superficial level. The motivation behind it might or might not be satanic and that's about as far as it gets.
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#70369 - 08/18/12 06:14 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Diavolo]
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Naama
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Registered: 07/23/12
Posts: 318
Loc: NewYork
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Among those people who are trying to bring down true satanic energy and unholy spirit to this Earth
there are as many talented and successful in doing so
as among any other group
so yes, lets not overestimate it
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#70372 - 08/19/12 03:40 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Naama]
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Deep Time
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Registered: 05/12/12
Posts: 54
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A short history of Black Metal: a number of naive young European men threw Shock Rock, 'Black Sabbath,' 'Black Flag,' 'Venom,' 'Hellhammer,' JRR Tolkien and the sound of angry wasps into a blender. The unholy mess that came out was Norwegian Black Metal.
That's it. There's nothing mystical or magical about the music itself. Satan didn't protect Varg Vikernes from the coppers.
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#70405 - 08/20/12 07:16 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Diavolo]
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Latvian
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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I agree Latvian black metal shows can be considered a form of 'black mass' some are even intended to be. Even the music of some bands could be considered a form of ritual. Of course not everyone sees it that way… Are all black metal band, and fans Satanists? No of course not. There are no absolutes in anything. However those of us who are a part of the black metal movement are not all knuckle dragging metal heads trying to play evil dress up either.
We started small debate and soon there were many original posts... I don’t answered imidiately, because I had feelings, that for some guys and laydies here more satanic is gospel music and pop culture or something similar…
Great, Filthmessiah! I share Your opinion, but I see,I and You are real minority here in the 600 Club… Many enjoy other more Satanic music or think a bit different!
I played in a black metal band myself until recently and met several other band's members. Most of them are extremely laid-back..
You like Black Metal. I think it's shit.
Don’t worry – for me and someone else dear, FemaleSatan Your musical taste can be crap too!
"Black" Metal is some garbage.
OK.. I hope Jason King, You don’t address term garbage to any genre of music… Or garbage is all music for You?
...the only 'satanic' music is that which you compose yourself.
I don’t compose any music myself and even I don’t have at all musical hearing… Maybe it’s reason why I enjoy black metal..
...there are as many talented and successful in doing so as among any other group
so yes, lets not overestimate it
A short history of Black Metal: a number of naive young European men threw Shock Rock, 'Black Sabbath,' 'Black Flag,' 'Venom,' 'Hellhammer,' JRR Tolkien and the sound of angry wasps into a blender. The unholy mess that came out was Norwegian Black Metal...
Black metal is as satanic as talking about satanism; both only at a superficial level. The motivation behind it might or might not be satanic and that's about as far as it gets.D.
Edited by Latvian (08/20/12 07:32 AM)
Edit Reason: I like to speak English, but sometimes for me is nightmare to write!
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#70412 - 08/20/12 08:33 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Dimitri]
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Latvian
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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Themes aren't always Satanically inspired but have a tendency to touch those more darker themes.
Yes, You are right, but Dimmu Borgir isn't only one exeption - many black metal bands are great and many artists are real profesionals. For example Dimmu Borgir plays symphonic metal too and experimente with other genres of music. Just look this link, where Dimmu Borgir's Gateways is performed by KORK Orchestra and I spoke about their show (concert) in Olso, which I enjoyed with true pleasure - there Dimmu Borgr were together the best choir and the famous and most profesional orcestra of Norway.
Small side note - even here, in our 600 Club not all themes or posts are Satanic... Thank You very much for Your healty look! I'm serious in black metal and Satanism and sometimes for me - opinion about black metal is simmilar, that stupid brainwashed outsiders have about Satanism. They don't know anything, just trolls about this topic... I'm sorry, but some showed their lack of knowledge or education in their posts...
Edited by Latvian (08/20/12 08:51 AM)
Edit Reason: I will take in next month course in UK to improve my English
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#70413 - 08/20/12 08:50 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Dimitri]
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Bette Doom
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Registered: 06/18/11
Posts: 134
Loc: Virginia, USA
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Without jumping in to defend the merits of either rap or NBW [will save the effort for Michael Jackson...] I'll just get back to the original topic.
I'm here because everybody needs a smack-down now and again, and my hometown is the definition of a cozy little "small pond." In addition, when I started poking around the internet for fun rather than schoolwork (and mind you this would be like, five years ago, tops) I was delighted and at times confused to find that more people than I had readily imagined had a vested interest in defining, taxonomizing, advancing, and even proselytizing one or the other thing they themselves identified as "Satanism." When I compared these to my own understanding of the terms in question, I realized something...immediately. My understandings were quick-sand embedded in the mentality of somewhere round the ballpark of...1666. Talk about looking over one's shoulder and finding retards before and behind. My functional knowledge of engineering is still chillin' back there for the most part.
At any rate, I would miss 600 very much if something happened to it. Then again I suspect we might all be living in a titanically fortunate period of human history that will probably be characterized at least in part by something later referred to as the "free Internet." Not to be unduly pessimistic, but this shenanigan- factory (a relatively "free", which is to say minimally regulated Internet) may not long last.
So why am I here? Well, to entertain just five persons of commensurate "awesome" factor from my home town for coffee at my place of residence would require picking up after them afterwards. Plus we've been asked to leave my favorite coffee shop on at least one occasion for laughing too loud, and I think the content of the conversation may have had something to do with it as well.
P.S. Jason I agree with you 101% about 'white folks' being late-comers to the game of outcast and scapegoat, with the Black African (female too, c'mon now) remaining firmly planted as the mint original. Fear of otherness and the nervous suspicion of primordiality have long been standard repertoire when people of European (or even Latin) descent go to examine their ancestors from the Black Continent. For anyone that thinks this is all spurious leftist revisionist drivel, I would recommend the book "Black Athena and the Fabrication of Ancient Greece." Sure its controversial in its own field and clearly requires some redaction but y'all are big boys and you can approach it critically your damn selves.
Edited by Bette Doom (08/20/12 08:57 AM)
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#70414 - 08/20/12 08:57 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Bette Doom]
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Latvian
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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Without jumping in to defend the merits of either rap or NBW [will save the effort for Michael Jackson...] I'll just get back to the original topic.
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#70425 - 08/20/12 12:57 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Robert Paulson]
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Latvian
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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I came on this website looking for conversation with other Left Hand Path-minded people. I know better than to look for like-minded people as Satanists are individuals, like cats, and cannot be herded. I know I will encounter opinions different than my own, but the posts I've read so far show that the brighter ones here tend to back up their opinions with reason. To me, Satanism represents thinking for oneself and responsibility for one's actions. I look forward to meeting others on this site and agree to behave myself in discussions.
Edited by Latvian (08/20/12 12:58 PM)
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#70427 - 08/20/12 01:21 PM
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Erich Zann
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Registered: 02/01/12
Posts: 193
Loc: Germany
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I played in a black metal band myself until recently and met several other band's members. Most of them are extremely laid-back.. Does It means, that Your band had’t anything with Satanism… Did I understand right - You’re black metal band members were laid-back?!?
Our lyrics weren't primarily focused on Satanism, no. Sometimes occult and mainly "dark" subjects in general, but not 200 songs about Satan. And not everyone in the band was a Satanist. Like I said, and like it is with most bands, you don't need to be a Satanist to do black metal.
And yes, the members of my band were pretty relaxed guys, like most other bands we've met were too - black metal or not. And I'm surprised that you are amazed by that. It still seems to be a common misconception that musicians connected to black metal are full of hate and dwell in their black painted apartments or houses far away from civilization. Just because we played black metal didn't mean that we had to behave ourselves like a bunch of insane morons in everyday life.
Edited by Erich Zann (08/20/12 01:22 PM)
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#70529 - 08/26/12 10:04 AM
Re: Why are you here?
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Latvian
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Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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...Our lyrics weren't primarily focused on Satanism, no. Sometimes occult and mainly "dark" subjects in general, but not 200 songs about Satan. And not everyone in the band was a Satanist. Like I said, and like it is with most bands, you don't need to be a Satanist to do black metal.And yes, the members of my band were pretty relaxed guys, like most other bands we've met were too - black metal or not... It still seems to be a common misconception that musicians connected to black metal are full of hate and dwell in their black painted apartments or houses far away from civilization. Just because we played black metal didn't mean that we had to behave ourselves like a bunch of insane morons in everyday life.
Edited by Latvian (08/26/12 10:09 AM)
Edit Reason: Edit quote - add red letters!
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#70629 - 09/03/12 08:04 PM
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Fnord
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Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 2086
Loc: Texas
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Studying alone can be such a bore.
Satanism is a lonely path.
It is like anything else though, you have to put in the work to reap the benefit. Learning to prefer one's own company is part of moving away from the herd.
Like anywhere else, choose wisely here. The herd walks these halls disguised as little black sheep until they are slaughtered.
Also, watch the one liners.
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#71046 - 09/20/12 12:32 AM
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[Re: Dragonsblood]
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Latvian
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Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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Satanism is a lonely path. It is like anything else though, you have to put in the work to reap the benefit. Learning to prefer one's own company is part of moving away from the herd.
We can rely only on ourselves even in the pack… Only strong individuals made strong pack ... and pack in natural environment cannot bear weak ones. It's reason, why we constantly have to train ourselves in our Satanic path, we ourselves are our best teachers and only we are responsible for our actions... Satanists don't blame anyone, he/she knows about responsibility. It's not easy path, because followers of RHP like Christians always can blame other people, Satan, God for faults or misfortune, we have taken our lives in our hands...
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#71296 - 09/26/12 12:48 PM
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numen
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I'm here because this board has a reputation for lack of bullshit tolerance. I also want to see what passes for "serious Satanism" at the moment. Lastly, I may choose to express views, and this is a place that is not an echo-chamber.
I enjoy robust debate/discussion.
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#71360 - 09/28/12 05:50 PM
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MaProprePersonne
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Registered: 09/01/12
Posts: 7
Loc: Nebraska
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As I have said in a previous forum and highly grazed the surface...I want to learn! Somewhere on here and around the area there are true satanist, and being someone who has ventured only around the outside of boundaries I have made for myself I know some knowledge but would love to become what I said, a true satanist.
I look for help in the area of information and for ppl who have once been where I am and know just what difficulties there are with all the ppl there are out there looking and frowning down on a religion that isn't excepted because they fear what they don't understand.
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#71374 - 09/28/12 08:26 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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numen
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What does true Satanism mean to you? Do you want to align yourself with a being or beings named Satan? Do you want to become a Satan? Do you want to become an adversary? Do you want to become a con artist? Do you see yourself on a path of spiritual development? Do you seek to oppose Christianity and Judaism? Do you see Satanism as embracing a particular human philosophy? As a means of engineering society and a new kind of human?
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#73882 - 12/22/12 05:25 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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swaorlaf111
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Registered: 12/20/12
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I have been studying esoteric subjects most of my life. I have just started my left path studies. As a solitary studier I look forward to learning about various viewpoints to become more well rounded in my studies. The everyday does not always allow for some brain candy so I look forward to learning more. I stumbled upon some Temple of the Black Light cosmic theories and decided I was lacking in this and wanted learn more. There is a great deal of controversy around LaVay's work in theistic circles so I'm opening some more Pandora's boxes and brushing some cobwebs from the old brain after all is that not what life is for learning as much as you can....
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#75801 - 04/07/13 04:42 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Estiban]
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Latvian
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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I am here to hopefully encounter serious Satanists.
Good reason to be here! I can wish You good luck!
I think, You'll find, what You're looking for! Some months back I was quite active here and got quite good information and a lot of views and even a bit small clash of opinions!
Of course I'm from Latvia (Baltic States in Northeast of EU) and I have my own self-made Satanism and sometimes I think 'serious Satanists' is funny term... Please explain, what do You mean with it?!? Do You think more about theory of Satanism?!?
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#75859 - 04/09/13 05:40 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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OutbreakUndead
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Registered: 03/23/13
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I'm here to read and learn from others who may - or indeed may not - share my world view. I'm hoping to discover sources of information and ideas that I may not have found on my own. I want to learn more about my world, my people and most importantly myself.
I think that a community like this is far more likely to provide me with what I seek than a more conventional one. I am stimulated by intelligent debate and civilised interaction. Something I struggled to find in previous internet haunts of mine.
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#75866 - 04/09/13 08:54 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: OutbreakUndead]
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Fnord
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Registered: 01/11/10
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Loc: Texas
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I am stimulated by intelligent debate and civilised interaction. Something I struggled to find in previous internet haunts of mine.
As are many/most here.
Based on your few posts to date I'd say you're definitely a welcome addition here.
Look forward to reading more from you.
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#82034 - 11/07/13 04:13 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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antikarmatomic
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Registered: 09/22/13
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^this was a response to the OP.
I enjoy writing and I enjoy reading. I especially enjoy well-thought out feedback. Carefully moderated forums such as this facilitate such things quite nicely. I was directed here by a fairly level-headed and intelligent person I encountered in another forum (which I have since left due simply to creative differences).
Afterwards I was admittedly reluctant at first to sign up here since there are only so many hours in a day - I'm sorta jealous of those who have the time to maintain accounts on multiple forums. I tend to pick one and stick with it as my choice-creative-outlet.
Turns out this is the one.
Definitely there are other types of forums and free blog-spots out there, so why a satanic forum? Well, because I identify as satanic (not a Satanist) and the general theme helps to narrow the scope of topics – similar to how in creative writing classes it is very rarely a “write whatever the hell you want about” assignment.
While I did enjoy other similarly themed forums I ultimately found them too narrow in scope and a bit too tightly moderated for my tastes.
On that note, from what I’ve observed on this forum, I wouldn’t go so far as to call any the mods here “mean”; just stern when appropriate.
I see nothing wrong with that.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say I’m here to “learn” anything; I am definitely set in my ways but certainly interested to hear other points of view -
I’m also not terribly interested in mud-slinging, personal attacks, or seeing who can piss the loudest. Debates can be fun, but all too often they spiral into something utterly out-right laughable. Just a bunch of tires spinning in the mud (which I suppose can be fun – at least for some, I guess)
I’m not here so much to socialize, make new friends, pick up chicks, meet like-minded individuals, learn something, preach something, prove how smart I am, etc. 'just not my bag.
I respect ideas while remain basically neutral toward the personalities.
Basically I’m here to exchange satanic-themed ideas impersonally and I like that this provides the right amount of structure without being totalitarian.
There's nothing I *don't* like about this forum - actually it is pretty slick, well laid out, maybe I have some computer-nerd criticisms of it - but content wise/ UI-wise / it is pretty decent.
That’s it.
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#82371 - 11/16/13 05:30 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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antikarmatomic
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For me, I do certainly have a tendency to give quality writing and well-stated ideas an abundance of appreciation. It is not necessarily butt-kissing, though I guess it can come across that way.
The difference really is that I appreciate the idea in and of itself while not really caring too much about the person expressing it.
This, methinks, comes with having a healthy ego. If my cup is full it is of no cost to allow it to spill over. Similarly a candle is no less diminished in setting alight another.
Which brings me to an interesting dichotomy. On the one hand a person can rightfully interpret satan as the archetypal malcontent - full of piss and vinegar, while on the other the epitome of a gentleman... a silver-tongued devil.
It was once said (I forget where) that the CoS is basically a mutual-admiration society. While I'm not a member, I think it is a sound concept and applies broadly.
For example; if we're sparring and you tag me something fierce - I'm more apt to say "damn! nice one - ya done got me" "touche' :D" rather than going all Rumpelstiltskin crying foul.
So yeah, since I enjoy writing, reading, and exchanging ideas I have no problems saying "salute'" - besides, the mud-slinging and one-ups-manship serves only to make us look ridiculous in a very public way.
If I like your ideas I'll say so - if I think they're garbage I'll state as much... in any case it is seldom personal.
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#83894 - 01/11/14 10:42 AM
Re: Why are you here?
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Latvian
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Registered: 07/15/11
Posts: 475
Loc: EU, Latvia, Riga (old town)
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...One of the things I relish the most about the LHP is the fact that it can be practiced in solitude. The only authority I am responsible to is myself. There is no requirement for one to "share his or her story with the world". If one is serious about evolving the self into something "other" than the majority of deluded, brainwashed minions of sheep...
I like Your opinion, Aciel! I'm here already for good time and I found the 600 Club absolutely the best of all satanic and occult communities... Of course I'm satanic wolf from North Europe, from North-East corner of EU and I'm from 2005 in Baltic & Scandinavian Satanic community and international stage is a bit different, but like in my own country - Satanists are free and only self-responsible for their choices. I'm proud Latvian Satanist! Hail, all - who are brave!
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#84005 - 01/16/14 11:59 AM
Why I Am Here
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Samhain13
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Registered: 01/13/14
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Loc: Oregon
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The heading of this thread made me smile in a deep way. It took me back to a movie of my youth, The Breakfast Club. Those of you who are familiar most likely know the scene to which I'm referring. In this movie, a group of teenagers are placed in detention and told to write an essay on who they think they are. But, I digress.
In a nutshell, I'm here to associate with others who share my belief structure while not being such staunch purists that it becomes somewhat of a herd mentality.
I consider myself a Satanist, first and foremost. Discovered TSB in my local library back in 1988. Where I was raised, they kept it in the "restricted" section and it could only be checked out and kept within the confines of the library. This book resonated with me. Since that time, I've gone through about 4 copies of it. A few I've loaned out, never to be returned. The others have just fallen apart.
From various postings throughout this forum, I've noticed the differences amongst all who've written thoughtful posts. There is not one particular belief, each of you has an individual interpretation of what you believe Satanism to be. This is extremely refreshing to me. So many people that I've run across over the years who've aligned themselves with the LHP have turned out to just be cheerleaders. They've, for the most part, seemed to be afraid to be themselves and be happy with whom they truly are. The party line seemed to be (with them) you must be brooding, angry, always wear black, and never associate with those outside the LHP.
Here seems to be much different.
I have never had guilty pleasures when it comes to what makes me happy in life.
I have always felt it necessary to be true to myself and my beliefs, at the same time, I've felt there is a time and a place for everything.
I apologize for my rambling, my thoughts tend to follow multiple roads, which sometimes cross, while others board the ferry crossing the river Styx.
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#84028 - 01/17/14 06:08 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fist]
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PsybaisdBheulach
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Registered: 12/16/13
Posts: 67
Loc: California
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Let me add to your “black market research.”
What drew me here? I was drawn here. Let me explain. I was researching another subject for a fellow Satanist who is old school and doesn’t own a computer and after some time I was lead here. I thought to myself that was odd, but also nice.
One dislike would be drama for the sake of drama/shit stirring for the sake of shit stirring; it just gets old and tiring and a waste of time and energy. I rarely get sucked into it, because I have learned to recognize it versus a good healthy argument which I do like.
A mean reputation you say. Well since I had never heard of this site it is news to me, but mean doesn’t bother me much. I have effectively taught anger management to clients, and a few friends, for over 6 years; so someone being mean by using strong words rarely has a negative effect on me. If and when it does I use it to look within myself and understand the whats and whys of it; hence giving me an “ah hah” moment and gain a new perspective, one thing I do like.
Although I can honestly say I disliked writing APA papers for my Master Degree, I do like writing for fun. So when a person asks a question that will illicit me to think and write I do like it, so thank you, Fist, for this thread.
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#84353 - 01/21/14 12:38 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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Fist
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Registered: 08/31/07
Posts: 1453
Loc: B'mo Cautious MF
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I am here because this forum seems quite a bit more open to different lines of LHP discussion than, say, the LttD forum. Mutual admiration is alright, but gets rather cloying.
Well, we do pride ourselves on being quite a bit more ecumenical. And there is no need to worry about getting the echo chamber effect here. Many members are openly hostile to other members. Hold your own in your arguments, keep it rational, avoid polemics, and you should be just fine.
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#85504 - 03/04/14 10:14 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Fist]
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Ferox
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Registered: 12/19/13
Posts: 69
Loc: Adios!
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I’m here because I’m a Satanist and because I want to. But who knows, things lose their novelty very quickly in my book. I think the theatrical layout of the site is excellent, good job man! Compared to the abject irresponsibility I’m dealing with in real life, the supposed “meanness” of this site comes of like some snuffy-buffy nincompoop-pooh. I’m also amused with those extremely willful chumps who practice predictability by means of the 48 laws of stupidity. 
So keep up the good work!
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#85814 - 03/19/14 04:17 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Ferox]
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Crake
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Registered: 03/16/14
Posts: 34
Loc: Newfoundland, Canada
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I'm here because I've believed in Satanic philosophy for a couple of years, and I never have had a conversation with Satanists before (skip to the last paragraph now if you'd just like to get to the point). I like to consider myself a Satanist, and I do, even though I don't think I should. I follow lots of Satanic philosophy, but that's it. As a Satanist, I don't celebrate much, wear any symbols, or do any rituals.
I don't know what Walpurgis Night is about. I tried looking into, but didn't get much out of it, although that was a while ago. I celebrate Halloween, but it's really either a Pagan holiday, or a commercial holiday. Nothing strictly Satanic, or even occult. I don't wear any symbols because I'm afraid of how people might treat me,and I'm not sure how to express myself, besides with an inverted Pentagram, which makes me look like a rebel, or 80's rocker. As for rituals, I really don't know what to do. Most of what I come across is the "sell your soul" deal.
Anyway, the point is, I'm here because I'd like to learn from other Satanists on how to develop as a Satanist (and express myself).
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#87456 - 05/13/14 08:51 AM
Re: Why are you here?
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GodSeth
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Registered: 09/04/13
Posts: 4
Loc: Săo Paulo, Brazil
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I would like to say, that I am here to share what I know, but, that is not. I like to change my mind, to learn, to see and feel different experiences. This is a great step, that I am taking, and each day, I can confront myself and my beliefs, and this place is exactly what it does.
Obviously, I don't like all the opinion here, but in my opinion, is the right point, where you can confront versions of stories, and make your brain to works. I hope to learn more, and one day to share what I know.
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#88097 - 05/29/14 02:20 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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Balcombe
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Registered: 05/08/14
Posts: 119
Loc: California (CA)
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Hello 600 Club,
Long time lurker, first time poster, life-long Left-hand Path traveler here.
To answer the question very simply: I liked what I saw. Very rarely do I feel so engaged by the vacuity of online forums, but with 600c, I appreciated the intelligent discourse, the history, the humor, the arguments, and the thought-provoking banter. Worth noting, I'd be lying if I didn't say I sometimes still get a kick out of the "I'm raising an army for Satan, please donate via paypal" shtick either.
Anyway, I've tried other forums, but usually found them wanting, generally running in directions of either elitist circle-jerk or left hand path Kindergarten. Not to say there aren't gems elsewhere, but so far, this has been my favorite.
Anyway - cheers! I look forward to contributing to the discussion.
-Balc
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#88153 - 05/30/14 01:02 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Dan_Dread]
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Balcombe
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Registered: 05/08/14
Posts: 119
Loc: California (CA)
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Ehhh... I just got home and am feeling wide awake, so I'll bite back
life-long Left-hand Path traveler here.
Oh really? Since you are new and show promise I'll not dig into this one, but you should probably be more choosy about your words here 
Like I said, long-time lurker, and I am well aware of the consequences words bring in and out of these forums, and especially in these forums, so I welcome the charge.
To posit myself more tenably, I could tell you stories dating back to my first memories and early childhood experiences, specifically, my ways of dealing with them and onward from there, as well as my influences, teachers and conditioning, but this isn't Uncle Balcombe's story-time hour, at least not right now, so those will have to wait. Make sure you bring marshmallows to roast around the fire.
generally running in directions of either elitist circle-jerk
What would you call elitism, and why would it be problematic for Satanists? I am personally more wary of humility.. And what would you define as a 'circle jerk'? In my experience that's just something that can't fit in or keep up like to say during/after a hasty retreat. Not saying that is always the case, or that it is true in yours, just sayin'
There is nothing wrong with elitism - I welcome it and I am very choosy about the people I bring into my life due to the vast abyss of mediocrity out there, begging for my time, money and attention - but when everyone thinks they are elite, it doesn't mean much now, does it? Though I agree about the other side - throw in the guise of humility, and it is the epitome of WTF are you, and what are you trying to sell me? Do you even really know? Probably not. Nope, didn't think so, move along now. One more empty shell.
Elitism shines through in reading, knowing and experiencing someone - very simply - they are better than most of what's out there. Dare I say, unique? Special? Either way, insightful and knowledgeable of themselves. A cut above the rest? Honestly, one cut doesn't mean shit, it doesn't take much to stand out from a whole herd of idiots, I mean, it is hard to find a competent employee who doesn't fall out of their chair for fuck's sake, let alone an intelligent one, but I digress. No, not a cut, let's say whole lacerations, legions and a few limbs above the rest!
And while anyone likes to think "that's me," this just isn't the case. As far as how it applies here, while elements of it definitely translate in writing (grammar, reasoning, the intellect, artistic flare, etc), they are still just words typed on a screen, and the rest I'll take with a grain of salt, and in time, it is something or someone I may come to trust.
The other part: Though the circle jerk can be fun and exciting, especially if it is your first, here is my definition in context of what I said earlier: counter-productive, uselessly self-congratulatory, self-appeasing, motion for minimal return, or a sort of no end in sight to what is a futile and ultimately useless activity, not to be confused with the futile and useful activity.
Alright - that was fun. Out of both formality and desire let me say, it is a pleasure to make your acquaintance Dan Dread. Lookin forward to chattin with ya further down the line.
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#88169 - 05/30/14 09:20 AM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Balcombe]
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Dan_Dread
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Registered: 10/08/08
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Loc: Vancouver, Canada
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To posit myself more tenably, I could tell you stories dating back to my first memories and early childhood experiences, specifically, my ways of dealing with them and onward from there, as well as my influences, teachers and conditioning, but this isn't Uncle Balcombe's story-time hour, at least not right now, so those will have to wait. Make sure you bring marshmallows to roast around the fire.
Oh, so as a small child you were aware of an ancient indian practice called left handed attainment, and made the conscious decision to follow through with pursuing nastica to separate your mind from duality?
Interesting *grabs marshmallows*
And while anyone likes to think "that's me," this just isn't the case. As far as how it applies here, while elements of it definitely translate in writing (grammar, reasoning, the intellect, artistic flare, etc), they are still just words typed on a screen, and the rest I'll take with a grain of salt, and in time, it is something or someone I may come to trust.
It seems we are working under different definitions of 'elite' here. I do not mean 'better at stuff', hell, plenty of devout nomians are 'better at' X(where X can be any known activity) than I am, or my friends are, or my associates are. Yet, there are degrees of separation in what my 'sort' and 'the rest' are capable of.
here is my definition in context of what I said earlier: counter-productive, uselessly self-congratulatory, self-appeasing, motion for minimal return, or a sort of no end in sight to what is a futile and ultimately useless activity, not to be confused with the futile and useful activity.
And how do you ascertain what is useful and/or productive to other people? The way you worded it seems to indicate some sort of sour taste left in your mouth. Did you enter a circle jerk and find the man to your right only had one hand?
Alright - that was fun. Out of both formality and desire let me say, it is a pleasure to make your acquaintance Dan Dread. Lookin forward to chattin with ya further down the line.
You write well and are obviously intelligent, but many with both of those qualities have come through these doors and quickly melted, only to return with a brand new 'identity' weeks or months later. You'll excuse me if I don't get optimistic just yet
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#88180 - 05/30/14 10:52 AM
Re: Why are you here?
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SIN3
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Registered: 05/14/13
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Loc: Virginia
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To posit myself more tenably, I could tell you stories dating back to my first memories and early childhood experiences, specifically, my ways of dealing with them and onward from there, as well as my influences, teachers and conditioning, but this isn't Uncle Balcombe's story-time hour, at least not right now, so those will have to wait. Make sure you bring marshmallows to roast around the fire.
I'm sure many here can relate to this sort of thing. It's not the same thing as *knowing* what to call it or how to articulate it in certain terms.
For example, I read the Satanic Bible for the first time in the 4th grade, recommended by my Librarian. It's not as if I began waving flags about screaming from the roof-tops: Eureka! I'm on the Left-hand Path!
It just gave me a personal affirmation that I was behaving natural, to my own proclivities and gave me cause to analyze my own pathology. While relatives called me an insufferable rebellious child, I was just reveling against hypocritical instruction. You know, that whole "Do as I say, not as I do" b.s. and "Who the fuck put you in charge of me?" I asked too many questions. I challenged too much, I aggravated people with my incessant inquiries, etc.
It was a constant to the effect of burning it all to the ground and leaving it behind, those fires still burn today.
As far as Elitism goes, as a kid I was given the moniker 'Princess', not because all Italian girls are little princesses but because I carried myself in a way that unnerved the kids around me. They would say things like "You think you're better than everyone else", because I did. I was better. I was getting out of that ghetto and on to better things. It wasn't exactly a term of endearment.
After the whole Facebook phenomena, a lot of those people came looking for me. I find out that most are still in that same rut, nothing ever changed, they just gold older, had a bunch of kids, on welfare, etc.. Many are dead from drugs or suicide.
Anyway, I just wanted to add that I think many find themselves looking for the words to describe what it is their doing, it's not the same thing as crawling into a mold to have it define you.
Youth is often discarded as being too immature, naive and inexperienced when in reality at that age you're more intuitive. In spite of the conditioning being forced upon you.
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#88192 - 05/30/14 12:29 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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Balcombe
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Loc: California (CA)
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Dan - no sweat - skepticism is a two-way street. I'm looking both ways so I don't get run down, and I don't blame you. Of course, I am the one that came here, I am the one that came to talk to you, so I get that the burden of proof is on me.
As for what SIN said, she just told a portion of my story, and strangely enough, the princess part fits in there too! Again, I am talking about a composure, an outlook, a way of doing things in the world (filtered through my own conditioning, experience and etc., which is very different from yours or hers) - it doesn't matter that I didn't fully comprehend what I was doing, or have words for it. In fact, being that my family didn't know what feelings were, and were mostly insane, it was usually beyond words for me. It was something that was and is rooted in my spine, my gut, my brain, warm in my belly, a smile on my face, somehow understanding that the world is beautiful, but people and there beliefs are full of shit, but again, it ain't marshmallow time just yet.
On the elitism part, of course, I can say it is a general sort of 'better,' but in terms of what matters to me, it is being able to cut through the nearly impenetrable cages of bull-shit constructed around every aspect of our lives, societies, and namely ourselves (especially ourselves), to see things as they truly are. And what is truth? Ha, tell the crazy person they're wrong, good luck with that. It is subjective, and fundamentally doesn't mean much, and the search for it is never satiated because ALL the metaphysical answers will never be known, but being able to see (and then make moves based on solid motives and understanding) is what I am talking about. I stay far the fuck away from people who don't even know who they are, or have any ideas of why they do the things they do.
Another way to put it is - other's answers have never and continue to never be good enough for me. Sure, someone can try to feed me their morals, ideals, beliefs, etc., but it has always been a matter of time and effort before I check it out for myself, and thus discard it, seeking my own (excluding some of the true teacher/student relationships I've had in my life). The whole identity thing rails against this, as it is looking for answers outside oneself. Sure, if you don't know how to sell life insurance, taking a class can give you some answers, but for the most important questions, better not be afraid to look deep, down inside. Conversely, I'll note that it's been wise to recognize allies and potential teachers where I can.
Also worth noting: I would have enjoyed reading The Satanic Bible in 4th grade, but I didn't see it until I was in my twenties. And my reaction? Great! And it changes nothing for me - I suppose I have a label if I want one.
As for what's productive - my time is very valuable to me, and if I feel I am not getting an equal enough return on what I am investing, then I'm not gonna bother. Being that we are still here at the moment, chopping this up, I'm going to throw it out there that we all find some value in this.
And yes, sometimes it IS that bastard to the right with one hand - because if he can't deliver and if he can't keep up, why the fuck would I waste my time?
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#88196 - 05/30/14 01:05 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Balcombe]
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SIN3
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Registered: 05/14/13
Posts: 7078
Loc: Virginia
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Also worth noting: I would have enjoyed reading The Satanic Bible in 4th grade, but I didn't see it until I was in my twenties. And my reaction? Great! And it changes nothing for me - I suppose I have a label if I want one.
Exactly.
I elaborate a bit more on this point HERE.
it ain't marshmallow time just yet.
All in due time. I don't think the details are as important as the concepts are. I smell what you're stepping in.
Welcome to the forum.
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#88197 - 05/30/14 01:24 PM
Re: Why are you here?
[Re: Balcombe]
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Le Deluge
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Registered: 08/05/12
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On the elitism part, of course, I can say it is a general sort of 'better,' but in terms of what matters to me, it is being able to cut through the nearly impenetrable cages of bull-shit constructed around every aspect of our lives, societies, and namely ourselves (especially ourselves), to see things as they truly are. And what is truth? Ha, tell the crazy person they're wrong, good luck with that. It is subjective, and fundamentally doesn't mean much, and the search for it is never satiated because ALL the metaphysical answers will never be known, but being able to see (and then make moves based on solid motives and understanding) is what I am talking about. I stay far the fuck away from people who don't even know who they are, or have any ideas of why they do the things they do.
Sound observation. The more you learn, the more you realize how much you don't know. The human condition is fraught with epistemological limitations. Science becomes scientism for those who hug empiricism. It can't explain matters of metaphysics or ontology to the extent many folks believe. (not to discount science itself in any way, shape, or form)
Elitism, eh, I don't even bother with the word.
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#88200 - 05/30/14 01:38 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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Balcombe
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Also worth noting: I would have enjoyed reading The Satanic Bible in 4th grade, but I didn't see it until I was in my twenties. And my reaction? Great! And it changes nothing for me - I suppose I have a label if I want one. Exactly. I elaborate a bit more on this point HERE. it ain't marshmallow time just yet. All in due time. I don't think the details are as important as the concepts are. I smell what you're stepping in. Welcome to the forum.
Thank you Sin. I'll let a secret slip and say, you and Dan have been two of my favorites to read thus far, among others. And yes, all in due time - gotta leave some mystique. I seldom meet anyone that leaves more to be desired, intentionally or otherwise. It is an art wasted on many, but not here.
Last note to Dan for now, let me say, I didn't come here with any idea of humility, however, it is my belief that sins like pretentiousness are only engaged while wheeling and dealing with those who fit the "elite" category. I stopped a few feet short of banging the gong, saying straight out, "I'm here, I'm awesome, deal with it!"
Oh, and thank you for the welcome - Fnord, Dan, SIN.
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#89186 - 06/09/14 01:27 PM
Re: Why are you here?
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Gladius Deus Ex
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I came here because I like the intelligent (mostly) discourse that takes place in this forum. I've visited numerous forums, social websites, clubs, etc but I haven't found anywhere that's come close to this one. I actually joined about several years ago however I never really participated in any discussions. I mostly just lurked around. I'm in a point of my life where I want to participate with others who have similar mentality/ideologies to my own.
Most people I know don't follow LHP style of thinking so it's refreshing to be around others who do. I've also learned quite a bit from browsing this forum but I'm sure I can learn even more by actively participating. I am looking forward to learn and debate with the community here.
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#107364 - 06/29/16 01:54 AM
Re: Why are you here?
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AzazelBaal
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I actually was researching Karla LaVey and saw she had The First Satanic Church site. I read into it and decided this was the perfect site to gain in knowledge and interact with other Satanists.
I read some of the content in the forums and saw great intellects posting on subjects that caught my eye. As far as the said meanness if I post something and its not correct I'd rather be corrected, which persuades me to do further study than to have thought I was right and fall into self deceit.
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