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#54683 - 05/18/11 10:55 PM Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation
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I have been pondering this now for about a week, and would appreciate input of the sinister type.

Most of my thought processes either offend, or give people cause for concern over my motives or reasoning. Here I enjoy the fact that I am not as alone as I am walking among the herd.

Since I am rather new to the whole Satanism fold, most of my understanding has come from books, forums (like this one) and tongue in cheek indirect questioning of the uninitiated. Meaning I am fond of posing hypothetical, and philosophical questions and scenarios to different people to see what they think of events and actions in the world. The past couple of days I expanded that experience by asking different people of differing faiths to what they think forces of nature mean to their religious faith, and experience.

But first, let me qualify my questions with some reference points beforehand.

Human beings are fond of personification towards both the living and inanimate. This happens due to the need for people to feel more connected, and associate differing personality traits we as human beings have, and whether or not animals, or objects also possess those traits. We name our cars. We name our pets. Some of us even name our own parts, in some inane act of adding or embellishing what we want it to represent. Fair enough.

THE FOUR CROWN PRINCES OF HELL

SATAN - (Hebrew) adversary, opposite, accuser, Lord of fire, the inferno, the south

LUCIFER - (Roman) bringer of light, enlightenment, the air, the morning star, the east

BELIAL - (Hebrew) without a master, baseness of the earth, independence, the north

LEVIATHAN - (Hebrew) the serpent out of the deeps, the sea, the west

When someones home is consumed by floods, fire, hurricane, or earthquake.... the form for insurance claims might list such things as "acts of God". So ingrained in the language and legal jargon, it even appears on legal documents. God is responsible for all things, even destruction. But when pressed for opinion, I always received varying responses to questioning about those events.

It is any coincidence, that in these past two months alone, hundreds of deadly tornadoes have torn a path of destruction, even for hundreds of miles through the very "bible belt" of this country. I referred to twisters as "God's little vacuums". I laughed, they did not.

"Do you think God's little vacuums purposely destroyed his beloved children?"

"Is it another coincidence that that same region of the country is being flooded?"

Earthquakes. Tsunami's. Hundreds of thousands dead or missing. Wild fires ripping across different parts of the world. Is this Gods work? Are we supposed to be questioning his grand plan? Most of them refused to answer, or directed the questions elsewhere.

As a Satanist, I know it is nature. Nature is neither cruel, or just. It simply is, regardless of circumstance. Nature will always look for balance, and renewal.

Fire is a cleansing force. Overgrown, and dried out forests are incinerated leaving carbon, and nutrients to enrich the soil, so that when life returns it does so twice as lush, and twice as strong as before. Satan, natures fiery spirit cleanses as it consumes.

All the weather, and geographic activity we are experiencing is nature renewing herself. Whether we sped it up is unclear, but rest assured she will make all things anew.

I felt it necessary to pick the brains of the faithful, and see the expected responses. When its convenient to revere they exalt his greatness. When the world destroys, and kills.....
When Lucifer, Satan and Leviathan have their way with the world, it is for the benefit of the planet as a whole

"he only takes the best"

"it was Gods will"

"Jesus called them home"

Its all a load of crap. I for one will be sitting in a lawn chair, eating and laughing my balls off because people seem to be incapable of walking uphill when the waters rise. When they rebuild in the middle of "tornado alley".

"God is testing us"

No, you are a moron. A masochist from birth and you revel in your ability to take punishment, accepting it graciously and with little complaint. The black community blamed Bush for the deaths, and conditions after Katrina. If you are not capable of taking care of yourself, or making rational survival choices you deserve to die. Not to mention they lived like circus animals in the super-dome, defecating everywhere and leaving trash on the ground and floor begging for help but doing nothing to improve their conditions.

Many of those same people who cried and wept and begged for help, are still living in FEMA trailers to this day. Yet they didnt blame their God once.

So, Natures fury, or Gods judgement. I vote nature raze everything and start new..... those in my camp head for higher ground and stock up on vittles. Oh bring a chair to watch the chaos.
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#54685 - 05/18/11 11:44 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Ghostly1]
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There are always consequences for your actions. If you choose to live in an area where there are frequent tornadoes, you increase your chances of being "victim" to a tornado. If you do things to change the atmosphere, expect to change the weather in some way. That said, there are dangers to living just about anywhere: floods, quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tidal waves, fire, extreme heat, extreme cold. You just have to decide what you can deal with. I live in tornado alley, but I live in a part that is infrequently hit by them compared to many others just a stone throw away. I know what to do if a tornado does come.

The religious can't except that things just are, they can't accept that it might actually be possible to understand "God's great design." They assume there are not answers, or that they know the answer and it involves appeasing some invisible superman in the sky, so they don't bother ever looking.

Christians are always saying the righteous will ascend into Heaven. Suggest that it may be literal.
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#54687 - 05/19/11 12:12 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Lucifer Rising]
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Ive spent time in Tornado alley as well, been through quite a few hurricanes, and floods. But taking precautions are a must.

What troubles me, is those who dont prepare, cry and seem incapable of doing anything for themselves.

Change is inevitable. Satanists strive for change.

I see change occurring each year, as much as it scares me Im excited to see extremes. But also confident I am prepared to deal with them.
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#54688 - 05/19/11 12:18 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Lucifer Rising]
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My grandmother thinks that all of the recent natural disasters are harbingers of some impending apocalypse. Of course, she gets pissed off if I point out her stupidity, even though she made herself look dumb by opening her mouth. I can't help myself, though ;\)

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They assume there are not answers, or that they know the answer and it involves appeasing some invisible superman in the sky, so they don't bother ever looking.


Faith is the ultimate excuse to decline to think. Nothing is random, it is all part of some plan we lowly humans aren't meant to know. Why bother to think in search of answers, when some invisible friend does one's thinking for him?
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#54690 - 05/19/11 12:28 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Ghostly1]
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What troubles me, is those who don't prepare, cry and seem incapable of doing anything for themselves.


Typical behavior. Much like the abdication of reason, those of faith choose not to act because "God will provide, God will protect blah blah etc", as though there is some magic faith bubble enshrouding their home which no flood, tornado, or fire can penetrate. Reminds me of the South Park "duck and cover" episode.

Duck and Cover
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#54692 - 05/19/11 03:54 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Ghostly1]
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When someones home is consumed by floods, fire, hurricane, or earthquake.... the form for insurance claims might list such things as "acts of God".

Does it?

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As a Satanist, I know it is nature. Nature is neither cruel, or just. It simply is, regardless of circumstance. Nature will always look for balance, and renewal.

Nature just is, there is no thriving towards balance and/or renewal. It only is and every seperated factor added up which is called nature is only reacting according to the states of the other factors.

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But first, let me qualify my questions with some reference points beforehand.

And your questions were? I seem to have missed it in the story of xian bashing and blaspheming...

@draculesti:
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My grandmother thinks that all of the recent natural disasters are harbingers of some impending apocalypse. Of course, she gets pissed off if I point out her stupidity, even though she made herself look dumb by opening her mouth. I can't help myself, though

I don't think your grandmother is that stupid to think recent natural disasters are the harbringers of an impending apocalypse. At least, if we take for granted she is not speaking about the apocrypha in the bible. At this very moment we are getting in a quite unbalanced state of affairs of envirronment for our own health and well-being. I'm might not be the kind of guy who believes in doom-scenarios but am quite assured that within the next couple of decades natural disasters will happen more often with an increasing destructive force towards civilisation.

At least we'll get used to it and will hopefully adapt.. On the other hand, decimating a great number of humans doesn't sound that bad. Most of the creative and inventing thinking came from living in extreme situations.


Edited by Dimitri (05/19/11 04:01 AM)
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#54702 - 05/19/11 10:34 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
...the apocrypha in the (B)ible.

This is trivial, but the apocrypha are early Christian scriptures that are not included in the Bible, so there is no apocrypha in the Bible.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
On the other hand, decimating a great number of humans doesn't sound that bad. Most of the creative and inventing thinking came from living in extreme situations.

It is in times of great turmoil that force evolution forward in a short amount of time. Those that can survive are the new legacy. When climate changed dramatically, quickly, and often, our ancestors adapted from slightly intelligent apes to highly adaptable, more intelligent apes, creating the human race. After the Black Plague, the quality of life increased for the survivors and brought about a cultural renaissance in Europe. When we had the World Wars, technology rapidly advanced. I am curious what the next great disaster will bring.
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#54703 - 05/19/11 11:00 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
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When someones home is consumed by floods, fire, hurricane, or earthquake.... the form for insurance claims might list such things as "acts of God".

Does it?

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As a Satanist, I know it is nature. Nature is neither cruel, or just. It simply is, regardless of circumstance. Nature will always look for balance, and renewal.

Nature just is, there is no thriving towards balance and/or renewal. It only is and every separated factor added up which is called nature is only reacting according to the states of the other factors.

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But first, let me qualify my questions with some reference points beforehand.

And your questions were? I seem to have missed it in the story of xian bashing and blaspheming...


Yes, it does. Acts of God are, or aren't covered by some insurance companies. As for the questions....I put them separate from the main texts and in quotation marks so they were easier to see Dimitri. If you are interested they are still there for you to see and comment on.

I couldnt finish all my thoughts on this, as it was such a broad topic and I had just gotten home from a long work day. If I didnt attempt to write any of it down I would have lost some of the points I had wanted to make.

The most blasphemous act of man is the splitting of the atom. Watch "Trinity and beyond" if you want a better glimpse of what I mean. From the first nuclear detonation, all the way through to our most powerful H-bombs. This as as close to natural disaster humanity has ever come, and thankfully has never employed on a grander scale then history reveals.

Balance can be as trivial as flood waters rising over the banks of rivers, or the levees man has constructed to keep them in line. Every year by me, the Army Corp of Engineers spends countless hours dredging the sands on the barrier islands so winter storms coming later will not flood and scourge the main part of the island. Much of the civilization we construct around us requires maintenance. Why? Degradation by wind, water, and sun. Nature has proven to be the ultimate test to a materials ability to survive.

Every spring we see evidence of renewal. Each Summer we see evidence of fire and the burning of homes and forests. That which was burned regrows, that home which was razed to ashes is rebuilt.

"Homes aren't natural" you might say.

Human beings are a force of nature. Probably the worst. We take without giving back. We radically change landscapes to play games. And we march on wars which kill and destroy everything. The rebuilding of a home, like the dens of ants or bees is still a natural act. And when it is all said and done, and mankind dies forever......it will seem as if we were never here, when the rest of life takes over our empty spaces.
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#54709 - 05/19/11 03:04 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Ghostly1]
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I couldnt finish all my thoughts on this, as it was such a broad topic and I had just gotten home from a long work day. If I didnt attempt to write any of it down I would have lost some of the points I had wanted to make.

It sometimes helps to write it in a seperate file with all little details and thoughts you want to share. Also helps to ponder a while over what has been written, most of the time followed by the sudden urge to explain every word while ending it with throwing it in the waste bin wondering why you bothered in the first place.

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The most blasphemous act of man is the splitting of the atom. Watch "Trinity and beyond" if you want a better glimpse of what I mean. From the first nuclear detonation, all the way through to our most powerful H-bombs. This as as close to natural disaster humanity has ever come, and thankfully has never employed on a grander scale then history reveals.

I'm quite a fan of the hitchhickers guide to the galaxy. The most true sounding words I ever found in these booklets concerning this issue (and which would be by coincidence my answer and exactly the same view):
 Originally Posted By: HHGTTG
his planet has — or rather had — a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much all of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movement of small green pieces of paper, which was odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy.
Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans.
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Balance can be as trivial as flood waters rising over the banks of rivers, or the levees man has constructed to keep them in line. Every year by me, the Army Corp of Engineers spends countless hours dredging the sands on the barrier islands so winter storms coming later will not flood and scourge the main part of the island. Much of the civilization we construct around us requires maintenance. Why? Degradation by wind, water, and sun. Nature has proven to be the ultimate test to a materials ability to survive.

I think I once said that the subject of balance and equilibrium is quite relative since it purely is decided from the observers point of view.
I'm also one of those guys who says to not fight against nature but go along with it. Guess that makes me a partial tree-hugger hippy..

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"Homes aren't natural" you might say.

Naaah, they're quite natural. Almost any macroscopic organism composes its own shelter/home.

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Human beings are a force of nature. Probably the worst.

Naaah, we're just some other thingy that's part of nature, not really a force.
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We take without giving back. We radically change landscapes to play games.

Guess what the O2-producing bacteria did many millions of years before us.. Their envirronmentalists should have warned the other unicellular organisms about their climate-changing behaviour. (Sounds familiar?).

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And we march on wars which kill and destroy everything. The rebuilding of a home, like the dens of ants or bees is still a natural act.

So that house you live in was not created by human hands?
Medicinal sciences are only there to give us a healthy and painless way to die?
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And when it is all said and done, and mankind dies forever......it will seem as if we were never here, when the rest of life takes over our empty spaces.

Cool, too bad I'll probably don't stick around that long to see who is going to take my place and abuse the molecules which make up my body.
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#54711 - 05/19/11 03:11 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dimitri]
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Name another part of nature which radically changes its environment, much to the detriment of the rest. (beavers aside, unless its a shaved beaver nvm,)

Worm food, unless you choose cremation.

And there is nothing wrong with hugging trees, as long as you realize they wont hug back....

they just ejaculate all over your car.
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#54727 - 05/20/11 04:35 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Ghostly1]
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Name another part of nature which radically changes its environment, much to the detriment of the rest. (beavers aside, unless its a shaved beaver nvm,)

Already mentioned the very first unicellulars who changed the planets atmosphere to the point as we know it.
Another part/organism which you can see in full action are all the different vines. In the tropical forests of Brazil some vines have radically changed the envirronment by enstrangling trees.
Another force/part of nature which radically changes the environment is to be found deep down the crust of the earth. This is force makes continental drift possible (and boy what an impact it made during the history of the earth).
Should I continue by also naming ants, Nitrobacter,... or should it end here?

That question is quite interesting enough to ponder about for people who are not really into ecology. I'll give you the hint that ANY organism on this planet (and probably elsewhere in the Universe if we ever happen to find it) will try to change its environment so that it enables it to develop at a maximum rate.

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Worm food, unless you choose cremation.

Worms also die.. they sometimes get eaten by a mole which on its turn can also be eaten by humans (I have yet to tast one).
Besides, first the ants arrive when it comes to decomposing matter, afterwards the different kinds of flies.

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And there is nothing wrong with hugging trees, as long as you realize they wont hug back....

they just ejaculate all over your car.

The relationship is mutual ;\)
You'll never get a better hard-on then a tree.
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#54796 - 05/20/11 05:20 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dimitri]
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[quote=Dimitri]
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Another part/organism which you can see in full action are all the different vines. In the tropical forests of Brazil some vines have radically changed the envirronment by enstrangling trees.


Those are called strangler figs. and even though they kill trees, they provide food for animals. As you are fond of mentioning..... the relationship is mutual, for one or the other.
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#54803 - 05/20/11 07:06 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Ghostly1]
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I have never in real life seen an animal larger than an insect kill another animal. Walking down a road today there was a lot of noise above me as starlings scattered in all directions making quite a racket. A huge crow flew from amongst them with a live starling in its beak, screaming in a way birds do, and upon the roof the Crow halted with its prey, and it ripped its living cargo to pieces. I just encountered nature at its most brutal.

What also threw me was that the Crow is my personal totem bird, and what I was thinking at the moment before I encountered the Crow, I was indulging in "what if" scenerios of ONA style cullings of Christians.
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#54812 - 05/20/11 10:41 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Ghostly1]
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 Originally Posted By: Ghostly1
It is any coincidence, that in these past two months alone, hundreds of deadly tornadoes have torn a path of destruction, even for hundreds of miles through the very "bible belt" of this country.

Having been in the bible belt on that day when numerous tornadoes ravaged many homes and witnissing that destruction first hand, one can only gain a greater appreciation of life.

Was it coincidence that while my town was surrounded by four tornadoes that all of my family and their belongings were unharmed? My family believes it to be a "divine protection." I am skeptical. I believe in chance.

As stated, its when these things happen that one can really appreciate life and the time we have to live.

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#54816 - 05/21/11 01:32 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Lamar]
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"Divine protection, Skepticism, Believing in chance, Wrath of Nature”
These are all separate issues that are assessed on a case by case basis. I will go out on a limb, by sticking with “Divine Intervention” as a circumstance through which, at least some of these changes, do indeed occur.

I would base part of this assumption on the fact that we as Satanists revile anything having to do with Judeo Christian, or Islamic thinking, which has gone out of it’s way to distort theological/philosophical perspectives in their own rendition of what they consider to be good, evil, or what will manifest as retribution. I agree that some of the comments made in this thread are overly complicated, detailed, and somewhat irrelevant. Perhaps even missing the boat in terms of the underlying theme of “Divine Intervention” as being part and parcel of Nature, it’s creation, and it’s administration.

I believe that life and the universe are far too complex in “circumstancial” make up, to be just an accident. That denotes a “creator” as is hinted in the Satanic Bible and Luciferian philosophy. Obviously, the LaVeyan doors are being left open to possibilities that may appeal to a broader audience, that at least appears to be all inclusive. I would use the example of the common shell fish, in it’s primordial simplicity and lack of complexity compared to many other higher forms of life. If Darwin, for example, decided that this was a fair comparison to the evolvement of human life and the human consciousness,, then whatever he was smoking, he can keep it to himself.

What I have observed from reading texts such as the Satanic Bible, is that there is a different perspective on who gets the upper hand in these situations. Who is the perpetrator, and who does the regretting, who bears the brunt of “Natures Wrath” Assuming it is all to be taken literally. And why not? I mean, why make such fervent attempt to write something so profound, only to tell people it was only a joke. There are certain passages in the Satanic Bible that do not resemble anything I have read anywhere else. That is, quite frankly, what had further motivated me to pursue Satanism as a spiritual path, and not just an empirical ideology.

I don’t have official statistics, but I think the most hardened Atheist or empiricist would have a hard time arguing the methodology behind numbers that tend to add up and/or follow a particular pattern. The point being the unfolding of natural disasters that tend to affect particular populations, geographic, and demographic areas, as well as populations that live and die by following certain creeds or philosophies. There are quite a lot of these incidents, and they do follow a particular pattern right up to this very day. I would even go as far as to say it primarily affects Hindus, Moslems, Christians, and Jews for the most part. This may sound a little homophobic, silly, or even extreme, but that’s the chance I take.

Myself, living atop such a perversely geographical volatile pile of volcanic rubble, and the ensuing legends of the region, which are quite profound, and I don't care to get into it here, because it is a very long story. If you want to read something rediculously short and incoherent, just read the tale of creation in the Bible. I have a first hand look at how the "Wrath of Nature" affects humans and aspects of natural destruction of which we have come in to close contact with, and how it folds into mythology that follows this pattern of creation, destruction, and who gets in the way, who perishes, who prevails, and why.

We are not born of dust. We are born of fire!

Superstition, maybe, but I really don’t think so. Keep a close eye out for it.


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#54818 - 05/21/11 01:57 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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"The point being the unfolding of natural disasters that tend to affect particular populations, geographic, and demographic areas, as well as populations that live and die by following certain creeds or philosophies. There are quite a lot of these incidents, and they do follow a particular pattern right up to this very day."

Natural disasters, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, tidal waves, and the plague.

Yes, they happen repeatably over time due to wind currents, ocean currents, fault lines, and stupidity. People know they live in an area with a history of major damage, but they stay and live there anyway. People have the knowledge, but they just don't really give a shit and think "god" will protect them.

Its like when there was a great drought in Africa years ago, and people were raising money. They need to move to where the water is. If you just stay in a place that will kill you, don't bitch when you almost die from it.

What divine interventionmakes me think of....
http://www.divine-interventions.com/index2.php

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#54819 - 05/21/11 02:18 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Morgan]
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Thanks for the lesson in Geology and Geography, narrow and short sighted as it may be. You need to study a little more, so when you go on one of your emotional tyrades it will make more sense, at least to those who know nothing about the subject. That leaves nobody's turf in a safe zone, as far as that all goes.

Life wouldn't be any fun without taking a few risks, wouldn't you agree?
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#54835 - 05/21/11 09:57 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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I will go out on a limb, by sticking with “Divine Intervention” as a circumstance through which, at least some of these changes, do indeed occur.

I challenge you to prove it. You will have enough trouble, as Hume well knew, merely trying to show that a particular event has a definitively non-natural origin, let alone that it can be ascribed to a divine being possessing specific attributes.


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I believe that life and the universe are far too complex in “circumstancial” make up, to be just an accident.

Argument from incredulity


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That denotes a “creator” as is hinted in the Satanic Bible and Luciferian philosophy. Obviously, the LaVeyan doors are being left open to possibilities that may appeal to a broader audience, that at least appears to be all inclusive.

Provide strong evidence for such a creator, keeping this in mind. Someone else can demolish his illusions concerning the Satanic Bible; I'm tired of spoon-feeding idiots.


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I would use the example of the common shell fish, in it’s primordial simplicity and lack of complexity compared to many other higher forms of life. If Darwin, for example, decided that this was a fair comparison to the evolvement of human life and the human consciousness,, then whatever he was smoking, he can keep it to himself.

"Evolvement" isn't a word. Using the Satanic Bible as an atlas for inverted "Answers in Genesis" creationism will get you nowhere.


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I don’t have official statistics, but I think the most hardened Atheist or empiricist would have a hard time arguing the methodology behind numbers that tend to add up and/or follow a particular pattern. The point being the unfolding of natural disasters that tend to affect particular populations, geographic, and demographic areas, as well as populations that live and die by following certain creeds or philosophies. There are quite a lot of these incidents, and they do follow a particular pattern right up to this very day. I would even go as far as to say it primarily affects Hindus, Moslems, Christians, and Jews for the most part. This may sound a little homophobic, silly, or even extreme, but that’s the chance I take.

Congratulations, you just enumerated 68.22% of the global population. (Source)


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Superstition, maybe, but I really don’t think so. Keep a close eye out for it.

You need that advice far more than most of us do.


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#54839 - 05/21/11 11:58 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Ghostly1]
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Pardon me almighty admins and mods for the one-liner.

Ghostly1:
If you can't think and read the given responses in its whole but instead choose to pick out little bits you didn't quite get (despite them being clear when remaining in the full response): refrain from commenting and think for a change.
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#54841 - 05/21/11 12:54 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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How narrow and short sighted is it?

Things happen in the same regions and area all the time. Going back over hundreds of years.

Tornado alley, Fault lines in Cali, hurricanes in Florida, Tsunamis in the far east, volcanoes in Italy and where ever. Its all a fucking pattern. How stupid do you have to be not to see it.

Its not an emotional tirade, its just common fucking sense.

You live in an area with a history of that shit, you have to be aware of the possibilities. You can't or shouldn't cry when that kinda shit happens.

As for people of various nationalities being singled out to be hurt or punished by a godform. They just seem to live in a area whereby shit happens. Sandstorms, droughts, and camel spit.

Its not a matter of taking risks. Its a matter of being aware, taking calculated risks, and seeing if the risk is worth the payoff.

If the payoff isn't worth it, why risk anything.
Then again, I am older and did enough dumb risk stunts already.

Morgan

ps, Yeah,I'm a chick, but you haven't seen an emotional tirade from me yet. People tend to bleed when I get pissed off and go into a well deserved tirade.
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#54850 - 05/21/11 03:40 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Zophos]
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Spoon feeding idiots….Being in denial of at least parts of your own scripture (assuming you read such things) is a common trait of, but not limited to, what I call fundie Christendom, and some of them are not even aware of it. It is a sure recipe for long term organizational failure and disconnect. You can also substitute with heavy doses of comedy, or Sci Fi fantasy, as an emotional appeasement.

There is also what I call the four animal propensities: (eating, sleeping, mating and defending) Even though we have a ritual that is an illustrative simulation of man’s inherent propensity to be animalistic, at times, it obviously does not speak for the entire philosophy. Any more than a ritual that is designed simply to blaspheme Judeo Christianity, can easily be taken out of context, and where such a blasphemy is not deemed to be politically correct in public forums, and the rightful denial of a Christian God is understood as denial, period. We can definitely “understand and discern” what is good for us, and what is not, and make appropriate adjustments, but an animal can’t do that, any more that it can wire an F 18, or build a pyramid that lasts for more than 5000 years, and where the most modern and sophisticated mathematical and architectural brains still can’t figure it out, including mental midgets like you! So, if simply being an animal who can spell, read, and write, is the end game, I can’t think of a better classic example of “Herd Mentality”

Welcome to the herd, Homie!
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#54852 - 05/21/11 04:12 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Dave, you've been given good reasoning and examples for why your thinking is misguided already. I will try to make it clearer for you, though I'm sure this is probably an act of futility.

First off, I don't care what you think the Satanic Bible says or implies. It is just a book. I'm not going to bother trying to force my interpretation of it on you, though I think you might want to read the book again.

Second, we understand, for the most part, the mechanisms that cause natural disasters. A general understanding of these can be achieved with just a little study. If a disaster happens in India, mostly Hindus will be affected. If a tornado goes through tornado alley, mostly Christians will be affected. This is not because of a super being or force that doesn't like Hindus or Christians. Mostly Hindus live in India and mostly Christians live in tornado alley.

Your thoughts on the beginning of life are just ignorant. The theory of evolution has shown to be accurate. Research into abiogenesis has made great progress in showing how life could arise from non-living materials.

You need to stop looking for answers in some religious text. Instead of some speculation from what seems to be true from your singular perspective, do some research and find out what others have done in search for such answers. Your ignorance is your own fault.
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#54853 - 05/21/11 04:26 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Morgan]
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O K I'll put my titanium girdle on, just for you sweetie! I've been chased, threatened, and cursed, many times, so one more won't make any diff, and I'm sure it won't be the last. But I'm really not trying to be mean to you, unless you want me to.

I don't know who's crying, it sure as hell isn't me. It must be Zoph, or whatever the fuck he calls himself, assuming it's a "him". I think it's more laughable. Again, you're missing the entire point, and I don't intend to spend all weekend arguing with you about it. There is more to it than just natural events of disaster. Yes indeed, shit happens, and not always in ways you expect. Your knowledge of geology should include a phenomenon known as the "Super Volcano", which one of the most deadly and predictably disasterous is in Yellowstone National Park, that would take every piece of New York with it, and potentially the entire Northern Hemisphere, for that matter. Also, you overlooked the volcanic activity in the Canary Islands, which would, or could, generate a tsumani that would swallow the entire Eastern seaboard of the United States. Need I go further? There is an entire encyclopedia of it.

So when I say "no safe zone" you'll know what I'm sayin. No need to be concerned for volcanoes in the Pacific Rim, becasue I'm not concerned about it. And I live 10 miles from something that glows like a cancle in the middle of the night. So enough of this crap about who's crying. It would be nothing to pack up my shit and move to another state. I've been living here for 30 years, and you can best believe I knew exactly what I was getting in to.

When these Christian kooks talk about the end of the world, which is today, I guess, they use the same logic, in reverse.

Assuming you don't believe in any "godform", including Satan, then that entirely explains your concern. So, you see it your way, and I see it mine. Who wins the battle, and who wins the war is not my mission in this particular forum. We simply air out ideas, controversial as some of them may be. And, who likes it and who doesn't, I really couldn't give a shit. I guess that's obvious. It just pisses me off with this open ended ridicule of ideas that tend to be outside the box.. Maybe what they should do is take an ideological survey on potential members before they let them in here. It would save us all alot of aggravation and bullshit.


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#54855 - 05/21/11 08:35 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Dave Pellani:

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O K I'll put my titanium girdle on, just for you sweetie! I've been chased, threatened, and cursed, many times, so one more won't make any diff, and I'm sure it won't be the last. But I'm really not trying to be mean to you, unless you want me to.

I doubt that Morgan will like being called "sweetie" in a patronizing manner by someone she presumably doesn't know.

Apropos of which, has it ever occurred to you that there might be a causal connection between acting like a jackass and being "chased, threatened, and cursed"? Perhaps I'm wrong, but there just might be.


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I don't know who's crying, it sure as hell isn't me. It must be Zoph, or whatever the fuck he calls himself, assuming it's a "him". I think it's more laughable.

If it were up to me, this nth display of puerile solipsism would have earned you a one-way ticket to the Hall of Shame. Unfortunately it is not up to me.

The brute fact that you characterize dissenting conclusions and my demand for evidence as "crying" is more than enough to convince me that you have no real desire for critical discussion on the topic you yourself raised. That you have not only failed to address, let alone counter, the very basic objections put against your claims, but have also consistently replied with incoherent reasoning and petty retorts, only cements this judgment in my mind beyond all restitution. Like all creationists, you implicitly expect others to cater to your assertions, and become indignant when anyone offers penetrating skepticism against you. In response, I will say to you what I would say to any creationist here: get used to it or find another forum. Pretentiousness is dealt with swiftly here, and you will not be coddled simply because you feel entitled to proclaim the validity of a belief without supporting evidence.


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Again, you're missing the entire point, and I don't intend to spend all weekend arguing with you about it. There is more to it than just natural events of disaster. Yes indeed, shit happens, and not always in ways you expect. Your knowledge of geology should include a phenomenon known as the "Super Volcano", which one of the most deadly and predictably disasterous is in Yellowstone National Park, that would take every piece of New York with it, and potentially the entire Northern Hemisphere, for that matter. Also, you overlooked the volcanic activity in the Canary Islands, which would, or could, generate a tsumani that would swallow the entire Eastern seaboard of the United States. Need I go further? There is an entire encyclopedia of it.

Na und? Your claim was that natural disasters "primarily [affect] Hindus, Moslems, Christians, and Jews for the most part" (which for some or no reason you describe as being potentially "homophobic"). Listing natural disasters ad nauseam will not show that this revelation is of any significance. (At this point I very much doubt that anything would, for my part.) Either offer justification for your claim or stop babbling about peripheral events.


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Assuming you don't believe in any "godform", including Satan, then that entirely explains your concern. So, you see it your way, and I see it mine.

And the Christian minister sees it his. Does that make him right too?


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Who wins the battle, and who wins the war is not my mission in this particular forum.

Read that again. What you have just said is that, despite going through the trouble of making assertions on a public forum, you have no interest in supporting them when challenged. Why even make them in the first place if they serve no purpose even to you?


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We simply air out ideas, controversial as some of them may be.

I am immediately suspicious of anyone who is able to say this after three months here. A cursory glance at the threads would easily cure your ignorance. If someone brings forward a set of claims anywhere on this forum, he or she had better be able to defend them.


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I guess that's obvious. It just pisses me off with this open ended ridicule of ideas that tend to be outside the box..

What you call "open ended [sic] ridicule" might be more accurately called "open-ended skepticism." If you don't like having your views challenged, you've come to the wrong place.


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Maybe what they should do is take an ideological survey on potential members before they let them in here. It would save us all alot of aggravation and bullshit.

I find it paradoxically more obnoxious and more entertaining to watch people make fools of themselves through a public medium. The consequences of derision and nonchalant mockery are usually deserved.


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#54856 - 05/21/11 08:40 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Zophos]
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Welcome back Zophos. I know it's the wrong topic... but welcome back. \:\)
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#54860 - 05/21/11 09:38 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Jake999]
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Morgan hit on what I was trying to convey pretty well. Despite all the warning signs, and symptoms people continue to defy nature and stand proud till the next natural disaster strikes. many of those truly believing God had spared them and their home.

Chance, not luck, and of course a myriad of other small circumstances which dictated the course of whatever natural action took place.

This thread was meant to be open ended, hence the title.

As for my preferences for commenting....

Dimitri: I read your entire posting. Whether or not I choose to waste words and comment on all your points, some of which I actually agreed with...I find a waste and unnecessary. I didnt mention twice I quoted parts of your posts and my spell checker caught your errors and fixed them, later postings I left unfixed. If my lack of detail is troubling to you, that is for you to dwell on and not me. I dont mind comments, or criticism as it only broadens my understanding of thoughts I would have otherwise kept to myself. Keeping things to ones self is unproductive, and you dont learn anything unless you actually challenge ideas in a forum such as this one. One of a few it would actually be appropriate for, and possibly appreciated. Im not a university scholar. I earned my knowledge and experience the old fashioned way. Slower, and possibly less efficient, but that was where my steps took me. Real life has made me who I am today. At 21 years of age I was on foreign soil, rifle at the ready and all my belongings stuffed in a pack. There were no books, or forums. There was no internet.

To make a long story shorter, comments are always welcomed. Don't expect long ones all the time. That is entirely my prerogative.
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#54865 - 05/22/11 12:38 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Jake999]
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Cheers, Jake! Good to see you again. I'm happy to be back. To indulge in a little sentimentality, I didn't realize just how much I valued the company on this forum until I had been without it for several months. The 600 Club may attract slightly more than its share of malignant stupidity, but its upper echelon (speaking intellectually rather than administratively, despite a notable correlation) has never failed to provide valuable conversation and worthwhile insights.

Enough grab-ass and candy corn. My hopes that life is treating you well.


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#54874 - 05/22/11 09:27 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Yes, it all makes sense now! I wasn't sure if I was on board at first, you know with the idea that natural disasters are the will of god and have nothing to do with those pesky naturalistic causes, but the fact that super-volcanoes exist completely cements your case. This is iron clad, impenetrable logic, just as you display in all your posts.

I would also like to point out that you are by far the most coherent writer and brilliant thinker to ever grace this forum, not to mention the mature way you conduct yourself.

Kudos, sir.

</sarcasm>
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#54875 - 05/22/11 09:45 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I think this makes a solid case against immigration. With the influx of foreigners during the last decades, we are surely increasing the odds this country will sooner or later suffer from volcanic eruptions or tsunamis.

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#54877 - 05/22/11 09:49 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Diavolo]
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That's a salient point! So by that logic we just need to get rid of those pesky religious people altogether and all natural disasters would stop.

Surely if we gathered them all into one area a supervolcano would open under their feet almost instantly.
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#54879 - 05/22/11 09:55 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Indeed Dan, that gap in his reasoning was too obvious. It would also imply that when cultures change from overly religious to overly atheistic, or vice versa, natural disasters in- or decrease.

I'd say the reasoning is funky.

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#54887 - 05/22/11 12:23 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Ghostly1]
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If my lack of detail is troubling to you, that is for you to dwell on and not me. I dont mind comments, or criticism as it only broadens my understanding of thoughts I would have otherwise kept to myself.

It's not so much your lack of detail, it's your lack of insight.

Is there something wrong? The answer directed at me seems to be a justification for your own being. I'm not really interested in that.
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#55128 - 05/28/11 05:01 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Zophos]
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One of my trademarks on the internet is that I have the ability to bring out the best in people, even if it turns out to be the worst. So, we’ll try some of that social modificated engineering here.

Look, seriously, Darwin was a very brilliant visionary, no argument there. His observations of nature (limited to nature) were truly remarkable for a guy who lived during his time. It’s very nice that his observations were useful in all sorts of scientific techniques, some mentioned here in this article. I will hand it to Darwin in a sense that something happened to the evolution of the human brain during the 19th century, that spawned many great innovative thinkers. It may have had something to do with the expansion of consciousness in the mind of the European, the occult in particular, where many of these advancements took place that led to the legalization of occult practices in the 20th century. Humans advanced more in the past 200 years that they had in the entire time of recorded history, on the scientific level. At the same time, maintaining the primordial aspects of the brain that deal with impulse control, where the continuity of violence occurs at the same pace level of man’s civil advancements, similar to back in the days of cave people. An easy weapon to be manipulated. Like installing a supercomputer in the head of Godzilla. Even still, the super consciousness of the human race was in high gear for untold thousands of years prior, which enabled humans to advance spiritually and develop much of the knowledge that also became the premise for modern civil advancements. I would site the Egyptian/Sumerian/Babylonian cultures as well as Phoenician/ Greco/Roman, something that Darwin may have overlooked.

Darwin’s influence on society (Social Darwinism) is partially credited for much of the chaos that engulfed the early 21st century, and really accomplished nothing but a lot of grief, and disaster, particularly for Germany, and a major triumph for Zionism and Christianity. So, perhaps Darwin was an instrument of something he had no awareness of, that was setting the stage for something else of a higher sinister level at a later time. The Gods are very patient. Earlier than Darwin, in the 17th Century, the regime of Queen Elizabeth, backed by henchmen such as John Dee, which became the springboard for social change in England that spawned the civil war that took place in the latter part of the 17th century. Possibly more accidental instruments of chaos? Well, we can go on and on here, not to mention chronological geological and geographical turmoil in the 21st century that had a major impact on selective cultures dominated by certain religious ideologies, much of where human life has little to no value anyway (as far as the third world is concerned). That is easily researchable by the most miniscule of efforts, but I’ll move on to the broader point of this article.

Now, getting back to these responses here, let me see if I’ve got this straight:

First off, let me say something to all you “proofer” Chihuahua’s out there, who ever you are, and where ever you exist. You can summon your boy Darwin from his grave and ask him to “prove”, in finality, that all humans emanated from some kind of primordial gobblety gook. Now, even if he were to show his naked ass before us, he couldn’t “prove” a fucking thing, except that he’s a ghost! His scientific offspring never got very far with their endeavor to prove his theory either. Maybe that, in itself, is what makes Darwin so significant, is that he come up with a theory everyone falls over for, but nobody’s been able to substantiate it, even with sophisticated technology short of time travel. That is why they call it the “Theory of Evolution” You don’t need me to explain “theory” to you, because you can look that up for yourself. But if I would make such and attempt, then call it a “He said; She said”. For every goofed up scientist who thinks he can “prove” something, there are five more who think they can ‘disprove it”. So where this shit about “proof “ goes is no further than your own imagination. I don’t need to “prove” anything to you. I am only interested in ”proving” to myself, and you can best believe I have my own methodology for that. You don’t pay my bills, and you don’t live and die for me, so I don’t need to appease your appetite for “proof”.

Speaking of appetites, they say you are what you eat, so if the Darwinians out there look to that scruffy, ornery Darwin to provide clues to your existence, they cas check their anal canal, you may find some fresh evidence there. He looked like fucking Moses having a bad day, to me, and may have had some primordial cooties in his beard. He’d probably be rolling in his grave, if heard that.

Secondly, you should never be stupid enough to ask anyone for anything, when you are calling them an ignorant idiot. Would you walk into a diner and say to the clerk, OK you ignorant idiot, can you “prove” to me you can make a sandwich? You would get your ass blown right out the door. If you don’t like being treated like an asshole, then simply don’t be one! Or, if you think being an asshole is one who simply disagrees with you.

If Satan sent a messenger to you in a dream, would you employ your Freudian instincts and shrug it off as a nightmare? Do you think Lucifer would go way out of his way to “reach out” to you to “prove” to you his existence, while you maintain your nay sayer, skeptic attitude? What else can He do for you, buy your groceries, cook your meals, polish your shoes, feed your dog, wash your clothes? Can’t you do anything for yourself? I know, your busy reading Sci Fi novels, science journals, and Darwin. You’d be one of those people who wouldn’t get it any other way. What the fuck do you think you are, Superhuman? What I like is these people who claim Lucifer appeared to them in a dream, they had sex, and wow, it was really good” types. Ya, I’m sure Lucifer has nothing better to do, than to entertain minions who demand His immediate attention, and to convince them He is something more than a just thought form, who can actually deliver a simulated orgasm.

“At the same time, the American philosopher and psychologist William James started a laboratory at Harvard University for experimental psychology. James, influenced by Charles Darwin, was interested in how behavior adapted in different environments. This functional approach to behavioral research led James to study practical areas of human endeavor, such as education. In 1899 he published Talks to Teachers, in which he discussed the relation between psychology and teaching.”

Would that employ the chameleon technique, where you “adapt” to you environment. Let’s say your in some Bible beltoid area, and you’re a Satanist. Wouldn’t it make sense for you to deny the existence of Satan, and just tell them, “Well, He’s just a figure of speech, equivalent to that wood carving over there”. Wouldn’t that make you look like something less than a rebel, a threat to their peaceful, loving, god fearing neighborhood environment? That way you could put out your big tent, invite them over for a pancake breakfast, and sit around singing “cumbayah” ??

“The philosophic, rather than the scientific, method was the main mode for inquiry about learning and the mind until 1879, when the German psychologist Wilhelm Wundt founded a laboratory in Leipzig devoted to the scientific study of psychology. Another German psychologist of the time, Hermann Ebbinghaus, developed techniques for the experimental study of memory and forgetting. Before Ebbinghaus, these higher mental processes had never been scientifically studied; the importance of this work for the practical world of schooling was immediately recognized”

“Higher mental processes” That’s very funny! That does indicate to me that even a portion of the most dogged scientist will acknowledge something higher than the tail between his legs, while it’s standing up, that requires in depth study. If there’s nothing to study, then move on to the next one! Now, does that imply that when you see a word like “evolvement” you forget that it’s a word, spelled by the English alphabet, redefined by pseudo intellectuals who have a fetish for literary delusion, and that implies problems with memory and comprehension? No wonder you read something in a Satanic scripture, and you still don’t get it!

So, allow me to spoon feed this: I’ve heard of squishy Christians, squishy Jews, and squishy liberals, but squishy Satanists? Now, that’s new territory for me. This also reminds me of the tainted poisonous environment the college profs provide for their little underlings, starved for guidance and understanding, particularly, but not limited to, the field of politics. We need to keep these pedigree super smart thinkers of the world going, having them siphon lots of free government money for their bogus research projects, so that they can promote their careers, get paid handsomely, while they, the agnostics, and their Judeo Christian theosophical buddies do wonderful things for the salvation of mankind.

Here’s a good dose of ignorance for all designated brilliant newbie gadflies, who can “prove” me wrong on this one: I would say to people like Stephen Hawking, while they spoon feed you, holding on to every last second of your miserable life, pull some of that money out of your own pockets. And to all the rest of the aspiring Would Bee’s out there, get used to your little stay here on Earth, you’re gong to be here for quite a while, if you’re lucky! If it takes 100 scientists to produce one who makes a major breakthrough, then the humankind who supports this nonsense is in for a lot of financial trouble. Hence, mankind’s ability to cut his nose off to perfect the look of his face. In the meantime, the world becomes a bigger and bigger mess. For every scientist who can prove he’s really on to something, rather than being in a perpetual state of dreaming, is worth his weight in gold as far as government funding. For every scientist who can do that, there are ten more slithering hucksters, who need to maintain their career herd mentality, hold on to their jobs, some with a political agenda, claiming they can do great things if they only had the money. Well, couldn’t we all?

All by accident, you say? We’ll see, in the meantime, while man continues to wallow in his own mire of misery. Yes indeed, a chaosophist’s wet dream of irony! Now do you get it?
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#55129 - 05/28/11 05:10 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Ever heard of theory "with evidence supporting" it? That small addition is so often forgotten when people are trying to validate their funky ideas.

I got a theory that each time I flush the toilet, somewhere the lights go out. And since it's a THEORY, I'm sure it is as worthy as all scientific ones.

That's all for now, I got no time to read the rest tonight but I'm quite sure it will be entertaining as hell.

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#55131 - 05/28/11 07:18 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Dave, so what you are saying is science is useless, evolution didn't happen(complete with the standard misapprehension of what 'theory' means in a scientific context) and of course, the devil is an actual being that likes to toss out natural disasters at Christians for sport.

You manage to say all this in a condescending tone, without providing even a stitch of evidence to back up a word you say?

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are intentionally trolling for a response with this ridiculous blather, but given that you have delivered with all the fervor of a southern baptist preacher, I can only assume that you are actually recycling your own shit via your mouth.

Support your assertions with more than just condescending rhetoric or gtfo, peon.
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#55132 - 05/28/11 07:19 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Diavolo]
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Sure D...Entertainment is always part of the scheme. Theory with evidence supporting it. Natural selection, I assume they are referring to "survival of the fittest", has plenty of evidence of it's timely existence. Actually it held up pretty well until the bible thumpers came along. I think it is over whelmingly convincing, especially when we have nothing else to compare it to.

One thing that comes to mind when scientists and their government cronies crow about tobacco linked to lung cancer, for example. There isn't one single scientific substantiated piece of concrete that tobacco usage directly causes lung cancer. All they have is statistics that so many people who smoke, come up with lung cancer. And the one thing they know for sure, is they can do nothing to stop lung cancer. And, they do acknowledge that some people aquire lung cancer who don't use tobacco, so they grope for the "second hand smoke" smoke screen. I don't use tobacco, so I don't have any dog in that fight, it's just an observation.

The day they can prove man made global warming, will be the day they discover "god" with science. I like the toilet analogy though, because if man thinks he's as good as a god, all he has to do is look into that hole every morning, and it should be a cold reminder that, in and of his physical frame, he is a mere mortal, until further notice.

It's quite clear there are people in here who have a double standard, with no appreciation for anything related to "fact" as long as they are hearing something they don't want to hear.


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#55134 - 05/28/11 07:40 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dan_Dread]
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No Dan, that's not what I'm saying. We don't need to crawl down to infantile assertions of any existence of god, or not. We all know it's a "he said, she said", as far as most people who know nothing of the occult would assert. What I'm saying is that science has it's limitations, and plenty of them. And for that matter, for every piece of "evidence" that suggests god does exist, there is no more "proof" that he doesn't. For every good scientist, well, I think I've already said that.

But 500,000 Hindus, Christians, and Muslims, just in the past 10 years? HMMM Dan, that's something to think about. One thing is for certain, we won't come to any conclusive evidence here.

Dan, we've had this conversation before, you and me. Where's your common sense? Who started talking personal shit, was it me? You call me a peon, Dan, who the fuck do you work for? You do alot of red lineing quotes galore, coupled with assertions and assumptions riddled with personal trash talk, But what you and some of your co horts have the most in common, is that you have no substantiated ideas of your own, and if so, where are they?

So, put up or shut up, Big Dan. I don't mind debate, but this personal shit about ridicule will get you a comperable dose in return.


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#55135 - 05/28/11 08:01 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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There's plenty of evidence genes pass on to new generations and as such, the theory of evolution is very probable although I don't find that a too important debate but even so, essentially I do agree with the basic idea of Darwin. I however don't agree that reproduction is the main drive in life and personally think Will to Power is. Not that I'm able to provide much except personal arguments for it.

Besides that, your previous assumptions met some serious criticism and logical refutations in which Darwin himself plays little role. The tone of your reply shows you know this and the heftiness doesn't hide that fact. Now, you're allowed to your own opinions but it seems they are not conclusive and instead of getting worked up, you might wonder where the problem is situated. Either we're wrong or you're wrong but not many other options remain.

None is committed to submit to any “accepted” idea or view but if one has a different one and certain aspects can't withstand criticism, some serious thinking is in order.

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#55136 - 05/28/11 08:03 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Maybe that, in itself, is what makes Darwin so significant, is that he come up with a theory everyone falls over for, but nobody’s been able to substantiate it, even with sophisticated technology short of time travel.That is why they call it the “Theory of Evolution” You don’t need me to explain “theory” to you, because you can look that up for yourself.


You are aware that Gravity is just a "Theory" too, right?

Using the tired argument of "it's just a theory" against Evolution Science is, well, tired. As has already been stated, it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of scientific method.

Yeah, it's "just a theory" but it is far better and backed up by more research than anything else that has been put forth. Do you have a better explanation? Please note that question is rhetorical and I don't really want to read your half-wit explanation of Life.

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I don’t need to “prove” anything to you. I am only interested in ”proving” to myself, and you can best believe I have my own methodology for that. You don’t pay my bills, and you don’t live and die for me, so I don’t need to appease your appetite for “proof”.


It is that right there that caused me to stop reading. If you are going to make wild claims and assertions then you had damn well better be prepared to back them up when challenged.

I don't think it's that you wont do it but that you can't. But if you aren't willing to at least try then there is no point in posting.

Now go sit in the corner and think about what you did.
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#55138 - 05/28/11 10:13 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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I cannot remember the last time I came across someone who simultaneously said so much and so little. Hysterical ranting cannot be considered on a par with rational and reasoned arguments.

I felt sure that the anti-scientific mindset was a product of theism and it's drones or postmodern relativists and not Satanists. I'll be generous and place you amongst the postmodernist camp, if you can call that generous.

Darwin was not a "visionary", he was scientist and as such employed the scientific method though experimentation and recourse to falsifiable predictions. Methods and approaches that I would imagine you have contempt for.

You talk a lot about "proof" which is relevant only to mathematics and not to evolutionary biology, which was Darwin's field.

You are transparently a supernaturalist, a spiritualist and presumably a dualist. None of these things are compatible with any of the discoveries of science as we know it, (which is incidentally, the pinnacle of man's achievements and has easily contributed more important discoveries than any other human endeavour) Maybe one day your own pet projects will attain a more legitimate status, but I have my doubts about that.

You seem to have nothing constructive or useful to contribute to a Satanism forum and I can only recommend you try a creationist one where your ideas would be warmly received.
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#55142 - 05/29/11 04:08 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Dave Pellani:

That your long-winded tirade was in response to me specifically, despite the fact that other members had erstwhile recognized you as an object of ridicule, tells me two things: (1) I'm doing something right, and (2) you hate being challenged explicitly. That you are an intellectual failure I deduced from your first response to me.

My method of culling chaff is exceedingly simple. As I told you in another post, I find it vastly amusing to watch halfwits work themselves into a froth over the mere fact that another person has requested evidence for their professed beliefs. Consequently, it is my usual policy here to rebut overwhelming displays of ignorance until their source either wises up, leaves, or demonstrates that he or she is antagonistic (which is not the same as actively hostile) to the demand for evidence. The results are beneficial to the 600 Club regardless. In most cases, including yours, this process takes no more than three posts from me, a fair price to ensure that boorish pretenders are swiftly ostracized, leaving behind a permanent record of stupidity in their own words that can always be used against them—yes, I'm looking at you.

I can't be more honest than to say that you are immeasurably stupid, and everyone here who has read your tripe knows it. The mockery and scorn you will continue to receive is gratification enough for me.


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I felt sure that the anti-scientific mindset was a product of theism and it's drones or postmodern relativists and not Satanists.

Dave is not a Satanist.


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#55144 - 05/29/11 04:51 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Did you just call me a Chihuahua? I actually had to go back and read this entire thread in the hope of a few laughs, but you, Dave, certainly took the jam out of my donut. How on earth is it possible to be so assertive and ignorant at the same time? Your unwavering certitude, willful ignorance and total confirmation bias, not to mention your laughable hostility, all contribute to what has to be the single most rewarding ban of the year for me.

I feel a fair amount of charity for relieving the board of your IQ deficiency. We can't cure stupid, but we can certainly remove it. Consider yourself excised.
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#55196 - 05/29/11 10:34 PM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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This isnt directed towards Skaffen, but just wanted to update some thought processes again.

The news has all those people who's homes were destroyed, and family members sucked right out of their arms by more powerful twisters. The ones who survived gave God the credit. Then you see pictures of the ones who didnt make it, and all I can think of is how hypocritical everyone is. Those people weren't hand picked to die. It was simply a matter of chance. Some could not make it to shelter in time. To little warning, or they were simply unprepared.

Is it blasphemy to point out the empty hope which religion gives these people? If it isnt a tornado, its babies with cancer. Is this a case of not seeing the forest for the trees?
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#76285 - 05/07/13 12:48 AM Re: Nature's Wrath; An Open ended Observation [Re: Ghostly1]
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Morgan hit on what I was trying to convey pretty well. Despite all the warning signs, and symptoms people continue to defy nature and stand proud till the next natural disaster strikes. many of those truly believing God had spared them and their home.

Chance, not luck, and of course a myriad of other small circumstances which dictated the course of whatever natural action took place.

This thread was meant to be open ended, hence the title.

As for my preferences for commenting....

Dimitri: I read your entire posting. Whether or not I choose to waste words and comment on all your points, some of which I actually agreed with...I find a waste and unnecessary. I didnt mention twice I quoted parts of your posts and my spell checker caught your errors and fixed them, later postings I left unfixed. If my lack of detail is troubling to you, that is for you to dwell on and not me. I dont mind comments, or criticism as it only broadens my understanding of thoughts I would have otherwise kept to myself. Keeping things to ones self is unproductive, and you dont learn anything unless you actually challenge ideas in a forum such as this one. One of a few it would actually be appropriate for, and possibly appreciated. Im not a university scholar. I earned my knowledge and experience the old fashioned way. Slower, and possibly less efficient, but that was where my steps took me. Real life has made me who I am today. At 21 years of age I was on foreign soil, rifle at the ready and all my belongings stuffed in a pack. There were no books, or forums. There was no internet.

To make a long story shorter, comments are always welcomed. Don't expect long ones all the time. That is entirely my prerogative.


Are you sure that your spell checker is set to on? Because I find your entire post to be an oxymoron full of spelling errors. Which is funny because you seem to be so keen on using proper grammar.

Yeah Dave seems to have Googled a review of the Satanic Bible or is truly ignorant.


Edited by TwIzT (05/07/13 12:59 AM)
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