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#5542 - 03/13/08 12:47 PM Tolerance & Respect
DaVinci Offline
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Lately while browsing these forums, I've noticed a complete lack of tolerance and respect towards eachother. I see people being accused of blatant shit, I see people attacking others over mere conflict of opinion and interest, I see more 'flaming' then I do productive and positive posting. I see people jumping on the band-wagon at every opportunity just to boost their alter-ego. I see people being dismissive to others. I see lying, deception and outright bullshit being plastered all across this entire site.

Now, don't get me wrong; I enjoy coming here -- because the conversation can be decent and thought-provoking, and I mean no disrespect to Rick -- but it's the users making this place like it is. If I recall correctly, this place was once a giant hive of intelligent, intellectual, thought-provoking, productive and informing posts and threads -- now all I see is people trying to turn it into some cesspit full of shit. That isn't what the 600 Club is about. It's about respecting eachother's opinion/s, and debating with intelligence. But I don't see that.

I can probably only point out a select few people who post in which I actually still enjoy reading their posts. Some of them include TC, DestroyA, Noc, etc., people who put thought and energy into their posts -- and don't just waste fucking bandwidth like some. Honestly, when are you going to grow up? A rhetorical question that most probably doesn't have an answer. I mean, come on -- I'm 19 for fucks sake and some of you are old enough to be my parents and I have to tell YOU to grow up? That's a tad ridiculous. Pathetic..

Whatever happend to respecting the rights and beliefs of others? Practicing what you preach? Understanding the different aspects and perspectives of someone else's views? I thought you were all highly intelligent individuals. Clearly I was wrong. Seriously people -- I would like to continue posting here because I like the idea of the site and the people in it -- but this bullshit needs to stop and alot of you have alot of growing up to do. Am I supposed to be impressed by posts that clearly indicate how big, bad and tough you are? Am I supposed to be impressed by your use of big words but no knowledge to back it up?

Posts such as "you're a fucking losser! ahaha! LOL" are nothing but childish and irresponsible. Blatant indications that you're not contributing to the forum and not wanting to actually post something productive for once. I don't want to have to sit here and read about how 2 members of the board hate eachother and think eachother are nothing but outright dickheads. I want to read informative posts that get me thinking -- even posts that get me questioning my own morals and understandings. Seriously..

Most of you will probably jump on the attack band-wagon at me straight after reading this. Most will probably say "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" and other pointless time-wasting shit such as that. Then again, who knows. Maybe I'll be surprised and everyone will put their own thoughts and opinions down without being attacked or attacking another. But for some reason, I highly doubt it.
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#5549 - 03/13/08 03:20 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: DaVinci]
Jeseth Offline
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I think I do a decent job of tolerating people, no matter how stupid they might be, but if I don't respect someone's views on an issue, I won't pretend to. I still don't verbally attack anyone though, unless they've earned it by purposely posting ignorant comments. I haven't been here very long, but I haven't noticed anyone posting things like, "You're a fucking losser! ahaha! LOL" too often.

I'm not upset by your post, but I feel like it's too generalized. At a glance, it looks like very few people act in the way which you described.

Additionally, my posts are usually not as detailed as I'd like to make them, since I'm often posting while at work or just before bed. I try to summarize my views as best as I can with the time that I have.
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#5553 - 03/13/08 04:07 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: Jeseth]
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LOL. Funny how there was alot less of that happening before you turned up in your current 'alter-ego'. It's been your presence here, a rather slimy untrustworthy presence, that has caused alot of what you are complaining about. It's because you are not who you say you are and some of us have a knack for knowing this, and we question you, and you don't like it because you have no truth behind what you say. Now you've finally worked out Xear's name, you use it like he's your friend when in truth your only ally is TC, who is going to feel really stupid for having trusted you.

You spend just over a month here and parade around like a peacock declaring that you're not a Satanist, and wanting to admonish all and sundry that dare to question what you are really all about. Only for us to find out that this is your number two account on here, your other one discarded, not because you were banned, oh no, only it seems because not enough respect was given to you for your liking.

So you limped away and hid and lurked for a little while, just long enough for us to almost forget you previous 'alter-ego' then join back in saying all that you thought someone wanted to hear.

If the log in times for both your 'alter-egos' are anything to go by, you were only away for one month. Check it out for yourselves everybody. HERE

Australian troops have been doing tours of Iraq for 6 month stints, so you need to come up with a better lie Matthew ;-)

Torlerence and respect are kept for those that ACTUALLY deserve it. We are after all selfish Satanists.

I'm sorry Rick if this is pissing you off, but quite frankly having to listen to this guys unfounded claims of granduer is unbearable. I think I've said all I have to say on the matter however. If the people of this board want to beleive the crap coming out of DaVinci's fingertips then go ahead, but I personally have already lost a fair bit of respect for TC for falling for it and anyone else that continues to beleive his tripe will similarly loose my respect. It is after all MY RESPECT to give and take as I please and not something I have to justify to a 19 would be.

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#5559 - 03/13/08 05:51 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: DaVinci]
Asmedious Moderator Offline
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That isn't what the 600 Club is about. It's about respecting eachother's opinion/s, and debating with intelligence. But I don't see that.


I disagree, that we are required to respect the opinion of others. We might tolerate it, but if it is not worthy of respect, then why pretend to do it? For example, I might tolerate the verbal blabber of a religious fundermentalist, but will not pretend to respect it, if I do not believe that it is based on any kind of reality.

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I see people being dismissive to others.


That is the way that I personally handle "flame wars" between posters. I dismiss it, and ignore it. Unless it is done with wit, and for fun, it bores me, and I couldn't care less.
Same thing with outlandish claims, and idiotic posts. For example, the discussion regarding the Joy Of Satan site. I couldn’t care less about them, so I “dismiss” the whole discussion. (I guess, up until this post that is.)
I believe that it is a complement, if someone answers another persons post with a thoughtful response, even if they disagree with it. At least they have taken the time to read it, and given enough thought to it to respond. So just because someone disagrees with another person, that doesn’t constitute disrespect.

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Honestly, when are you going to grow up? A rhetorical question that most probably doesn't have an answer. I mean, come on -- I'm 19 for fucks sake and some of you are old enough to be my parents and I have to tell YOU to grow up? That's a tad ridiculous. Pathetic..


If someone is old enough to be ones parents, and the younger one tells them to grow up, then that might be a sign of immaturity. At 19, most people and I mean 99 percent of them, lack enough life experience to know much of what they are talking about. Nothing beats life experience. One can read all the books ever written, watch every show on the history chanel and such, but non of that will ever equal having lived life, and learned from it. Granted, there are some, who have lived, but never learned.
However, what a younger person might consider useless drivel from an elder, might just be what that elder learned through life experience from having made mistakes, and have adjusted their thought process from it.

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Whatever happend to respecting the rights and beliefs of others?


That is a perfect example of what I have written above here. Through life experience, I have learned that we do NOT have ANY rights. What we believe to be “rights” are merely privileges, which may be at anytime, taken away from us by those with more power. So nothing has happened to your rights, and the respect of them; perhaps you never had it.

Some privileges (rights) might be earned, they may be granted, or fought for, but don't fool yourself to think, that you or I, are born with them. That is the kind of idea that people who live in Fairy Tale dellusions attempt to convince others of.
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#5566 - 03/13/08 09:24 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: Asmedious]
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I havent seen that much "n00bs" on this site to be honest, other then a few badly spelled retarded posts. It doesnt seem to happen often but then again - I havent been here for long.

I dont quite get what is expected of me, reading this thread it sounds like you have to give a indredicly thoughtful response to every thing that you reply to. I contribute in any way i can and i dont mind writing posts that arent filosofical.
I am here to learn and perhaps socialize with people who share some values of my taste.

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#5567 - 03/13/08 09:39 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TheMask]
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I dont quite get what is expected of me, reading this thread it sounds like you have to give a indredicly thoughtful response to every thing that you reply to. I contribute in any way i can and i dont mind writing posts that arent filosofical.


Don’t sweat the small stuff.
I don’t think any of us have “The Answer” to life and its meaning, only some bits and pieces which we have picked up on our journey.

This may be an old cliche, but it works. Just be yourself, say what you feel that you want.

If someone should say negative things about your opinions, ideas or questions, keep in mind that it is those things they are questioning, and not attacking you personally, because to do so, would be presumptuous, since no one can really know you as the person whom you truly are, from a couple of posts on a website.

If nothing else, just remember to use sun tan lotion when out in the sun, then you should be fine.
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#5568 - 03/13/08 10:04 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: Asmedious]
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? I bet you're not even a real Mason Da Vinci?
Grand Lodge of Australia huh?
Hey, Zeph ur right, he even uses the same avatar as he does at his site:

http://www.ordellani.com/showthread.php?tid=45


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/13/08 10:21 PM)
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#5569 - 03/13/08 10:05 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: Jeseth]
DaVinci Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Jeseth
I think I do a decent job of tolerating people, no matter how stupid they might be, but if I don't respect someone's views on an issue, I won't pretend to. I still don't verbally attack anyone though, unless they've earned it by purposely posting ignorant comments. I haven't been here very long, but I haven't noticed anyone posting things like, "You're a fucking losser! ahaha! LOL" too often.

I'm not upset by your post, but I feel like it's too generalized. At a glance, it looks like very few people act in the way which you described.

Additionally, my posts are usually not as detailed as I'd like to make them, since I'm often posting while at work or just before bed. I try to summarize my views as best as I can with the time that I have.


I've seen nothing but well-thought out and productive posts from you. I apologise if this seems to be directed at everybody, because it is not. For example: this post is directed at rob_church, Zephyrgirl and a few lurkers.
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#5571 - 03/13/08 10:13 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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LOL. Funny how there was alot less of that happening before you turned up in your current 'alter-ego'. It's been your presence here, a rather slimy untrustworthy presence, that has caused alot of what you are complaining about. It's because you are not who you say you are and some of us have a knack for knowing this, and we question you, and you don't like it because you have no truth behind what you say. Now you've finally worked out Xear's name, you use it like he's your friend when in truth your only ally is TC, who is going to feel really stupid for having trusted you.


What you may feel from my presence is only based on what you believe, not what is necessarily the truth. I've never denied being Ordellani -- and I've never lied. You choose to believe theory from fact, but that is your decision and I won't attempt to convince you otherwise. I used Rick's name out of respect for his website. If you believe that I'm attempting to imply him as being a mate, then you are clearly mistake.

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You spend just over a month here and parade around like a peacock declaring that you're not a Satanist, and wanting to admonish all and sundry that dare to question what you are really all about. Only for us to find out that this is your number two account on here, your other one discarded, not because you were banned, oh no, only it seems because not enough respect was given to you for your liking.


People don't need to show me respect; but what they do need to learn -- and not just at me, but everybody -- is tolerance and benefit of the doubt. You act as though because I once had a previous account that I am untrustworthy; that I have some-kind of changed "alter-ego" -- but if you look at the posts contained within the previous account, you'll notice no change.

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If the log in times for both your 'alter-egos' are anything to go by, you were only away for one month. Check it out for yourselves everybody. HERE


I returned 3 months ago.

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Australian troops have been doing tours of Iraq for 6 month stints, so you need to come up with a better lie Matthew ;-)


You couldn't be more wrong. My name is not Matthew and, like I have explained, I will never disclose my real name on the Internet. Australian Troops no longer do 6 month tours, it can be extended upon the current situation and voluntary tours are also allowed so long as it is approved by the Department of Defence.

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I'm sorry Rick if this is pissing you off, but quite frankly having to listen to this guys unfounded claims of granduer is unbearable. I think I've said all I have to say on the matter however. If the people of this board want to beleive the crap coming out of DaVinci's fingertips then go ahead, but I personally have already lost a fair bit of respect for TC for falling for it and anyone else that continues to beleive his tripe will similarly loose my respect. It is after all MY RESPECT to give and take as I please and not something I have to justify to a 19 would be.


What makes you think anyone believes what you say? Anyone here could be stating they are someone when infact they might be clearly the opposite. But who they are does not reflect on their productiveness and sincerity within this website. Again, it all comes back to your definitions and what you believe is the truth, but is not necessarily the truth.
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#5572 - 03/13/08 10:22 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: Asmedious]
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I disagree, that we are required to respect the opinion of others. We might tolerate it, but if it is not worthy of respect, then why pretend to do it? For example, I might tolerate the verbal blabber of a religious fundermentalist, but will not pretend to respect it, if I do not believe that it is based on any kind of reality.


That's an interesting point. However, if one religious fundamentalist can respect your opinion, would you inturn respect his purely on a needed basis to gain personal advancement?

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That is the way that I personally handle "flame wars" between posters. I dismiss it, and ignore it. Unless it is done with wit, and for fun, it bores me, and I couldn't care less.
Same thing with outlandish claims, and idiotic posts. For example, the discussion regarding the Joy Of Satan site. I couldn’t care less about them, so I “dismiss” the whole discussion. (I guess, up until this post that is.)
I believe that it is a complement, if someone answers another persons post with a thoughtful response, even if they disagree with it. At least they have taken the time to read it, and given enough thought to it to respond. So just because someone disagrees with another person, that doesn’t constitute disrespect.


That doesn't necessarily mean posts that are idiotic or slandering. I mean real opinions, well-thoughtout discussions -- alot are dismissive to opinions simply because they don't align with their own.

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If someone is old enough to be ones parents, and the younger one tells them to grow up, then that might be a sign of immaturity. At 19, most people and I mean 99 percent of them, lack enough life experience to know much of what they are talking about. Nothing beats life experience. One can read all the books ever written, watch every show on the history chanel and such, but non of that will ever equal having lived life, and learned from it. Granted, there are some, who have lived, but never learned.
However, what a younger person might consider useless drivel from an elder, might just be what that elder learned through life experience from having made mistakes, and have adjusted their thought process from it.


I couldn't agree more. Nothing can replace the lessons learned through life experience alone. But in saying that; some elders may teach you things that you could not learn from books and the Internet -- but some still act like children and have the easily-aggrivated temper of a 3 year-old.

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That is a perfect example of what I have written above here. Through life experience, I have learned that we do NOT have ANY rights. What we believe to be “rights” are merely privileges, which may be at anytime, taken away from us by those with more power. So nothing has happened to your rights, and the respect of them; perhaps you never had it.


I think it does also depend on alot on your location. The United States has seen more historical movements campigning for the rights, whereas Austraia has been "gifted" (unusual word, but all I could think of) to have these rights incorporated from past Governments and allowing us the freedom of choice. Look at voting for instance: it's not mandatory in the United States -- if it was, more people would get their say. The rights are there, it's just many people choose not to use them.
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#5574 - 03/13/08 10:25 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TheMask]
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I havent seen that much "n00bs" on this site to be honest, other then a few badly spelled retarded posts. It doesnt seem to happen often but then again - I havent been here for long.

I dont quite get what is expected of me, reading this thread it sounds like you have to give a indredicly thoughtful response to every thing that you reply to. I contribute in any way i can and i dont mind writing posts that arent filosofical.
I am here to learn and perhaps socialize with people who share some values of my taste.


Absolutely nothing is expected of you. Just be yourself -- which you have been -- and you'll find you'll gain respect based simply on that. You've contributed quite largely since you created your account, and again, I've seen well thoughout and good thought-provoking posts from you. You're natural in your ways, and I certainly respect that.
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#5575 - 03/13/08 10:27 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Truly outstanding detective work.

I make a typing error and unfortunate mistake with my words, and here I am being accused of being a liar. Funny, I've seen the girl in your avatar before..

Yes. Fantastic. You discovered my website and that I use the same avatar. Please point out exactly where within this website where I have denied owning the previous account.
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#5582 - 03/13/08 11:06 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: DaVinci]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
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I dont quite get what is expected of me, reading this thread it sounds like you have to give a indredicly thoughtful response to every thing that you reply to. I contribute in any way i can and i dont mind writing posts that arent filosofical.


Don’t sweat the small stuff.
I don’t think any of us have “The Answer” to life and its meaning, only some bits and pieces which we have picked up on our journey.

This may be an old cliche, but it works. Just be yourself, say what you feel that you want.

If someone should say negative things about your opinions, ideas or questions, keep in mind that it is those things they are questioning, and not attacking you personally, because to do so, would be presumptuous, since no one can really know you as the person whom you truly are, from a couple of posts on a website.

If nothing else, just remember to use sun tan lotion when out in the sun, then you should be fine.


Oh, by all means. Thanks for the tip. Thats just the impression i got from reading the starting post.

And i dont thinks thats going to be a problem. ^^ Im not exactly the tanning type.

 Originally Posted By: DaVinci
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I havent seen that much "n00bs" on this site to be honest, other then a few badly spelled retarded posts. It doesnt seem to happen often but then again - I havent been here for long.

I dont quite get what is expected of me, reading this thread it sounds like you have to give a indredicly thoughtful response to every thing that you reply to. I contribute in any way i can and i dont mind writing posts that arent filosofical.
I am here to learn and perhaps socialize with people who share some values of my taste.


Absolutely nothing is expected of you. Just be yourself -- which you have been -- and you'll find you'll gain respect based simply on that. You've contributed quite largely since you created your account, and again, I've seen well thoughout and good thought-provoking posts from you. You're natural in your ways, and I certainly respect that.


Why, thank you very much. Like i said its just the impression that i got from the first post and i can say that i dont have that impression much anymore.

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#5583 - 03/13/08 11:13 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TheMask]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask
Why, thank you very much. Like i said its just the impression that i got from the first post and i can say that i dont have that impression much anymore.


Not a problem. \:\)
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#5601 - 03/14/08 07:08 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: DaVinci]
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Honestly, I disagree DaVinci. I would say that the intelligent posting is still very much the focus of this forum. A few people like rob_church and ta2zz have always been a little overbearing and I don't particually like either of them. Zeph on the other hand I'm compelled to defend, she makes a fair contribution to this community.

I'm more inclined to agree with Asmedious. We are generally tolerant people but I am far from respective of other peoples beliefs and opinions. I listen but that's about it. I give respect only when it's earned however I find I'm more swayed towards the opinions of people here. This forum has served well as a haven of intellectual discussion so I tend to show more respect to the opinions and ideas presented here.

I think this is a little more personal than you realise DaVinci, people for some reason have decided you are this weeks punching bag and quite frankly I don't care why. I think it's childish and pathetic that people want to cause a damn argument over this.

Now, just a few points I want to clarify.

1. All commonwealth armed forces have methods by which people can join units and regiments in foriegn countries for an extended period of a few weeks, even when that regiment if there for in excess of 6 months. If this didn't happen my job would simply not work, although granted normally even a TA soilder goes away for about 2 months if on a specific op. (Oh, and often they provide satelite links to the internet).

2. I am no-ones ally but my own. I trust no-one on here but myself to tell the truth. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT! I have no reason to disbelieve anyone. I also have no reason to believe anyone. I am willfully agnostic of the situation if you will. People seem to think I would be willing to forget the many convosations both on the forum and in the chat room that I've had with DaVinci because they pull up some psudo-hidden, almost-information that is supposidly a bad thing. I see no such thing. I see people having a pointless argument on the internet. If you want to show me less respect for this, for not joining in and hurling faeces at a fellow member of the site just because all the other monkeys are doing it then fine. You respect is thinly veiled and not a value to me anyway. I prefer to judge people based on my own experiences, not the slanderous comments of the many.

3. Using peoples real names on the internet is really quite confusing and irritating. It is impossible to decipher for anyone new to the site and it just breeds a level of elitism is many people. I will continue to call Xear by his username. I know his real name but it's not my place to use it, he introduced himself to me as Xear. As for the name Matthew. If he says it's not his name, it's not his fucking name, DEAL!
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#5606 - 03/14/08 08:54 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I'm more inclined to agree with Asmedious. We are generally tolerant people but I am far from respective of other peoples beliefs and opinions. I listen but that's about it. I give respect only when it's earned however I find I'm more swayed towards the opinions of people here. This forum has served well as a haven of intellectual discussion so I tend to show more respect to the opinions and ideas presented here.


Interesting point. However I don't see what is intelligent in dismissing half the opinions and, in a way, stating that one's opinion is wrong?

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I think this is a little more personal than you realise DaVinci, people for some reason have decided you are this weeks punching bag and quite frankly I don't care why. I think it's childish and pathetic that people want to cause a damn argument over this.


More foolish of them to make it personal. If they don't like me, fair enough. I won't go out of my way to sway them otherwise.

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1. All commonwealth armed forces have methods by which people can join units and regiments in foriegn countries for an extended period of a few weeks, even when that regiment is there for in excess of 6 months. If this didn't happen my job would simply not work, although granted normally even a TA soilder goes away for about 2 months if on a specific op. (Oh, and often they provide satelite links to the internet).


Correct.
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#5607 - 03/14/08 09:18 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: DaVinci]
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When another thread gets locked, you start a new one where you can whine about people not acting as you would see fit. During my stay here, which has been a bit over a year now (as I recall), I have never had a need to bitch about peoples manners. Sure there have been some individuals whom I may not have liked. Until now, it has been nice and quiet, so to speak. Now, after you have taken it in you that you need to police other peoples behaviour and take everything so personally this place is like the hallways of a highschool. I know that an argument requires more than one, but none of the others have caught my eye. Except rob church perhaps, because of his poor spelling...
Perhaps you should be quiet for some time and reflect on things said, get over it and then come back with new fresh ideas. This is already getting old.
Just an advise.

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#5608 - 03/14/08 09:22 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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Actually MFM, that's not a bad stance to take. I must admit that even though I seem to have been dragged into this argument myself and I feel people have been quite direspectful to me over the past couple of days despite me being as civil as possible, I feel no desire to carry this one on anymore. It's just making people bitter, myself included. Perhaps it's time to just drop it all.
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#5609 - 03/14/08 09:32 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Actually MFM, that's not a bad stance to take. I must admit that even though I seem to have been dragged into this argument myself and I feel people have been quite direspectful to me over the past couple of days despite me being as civil as possible, I feel no desire to carry this one on anymore. It's just making people bitter, myself included. Perhaps it's time to just drop it all.


Of course everyone is right to have a say, but then again, we all should know when enough is enough.
I wouldn't just stand and watch should someone insult me, but to turn it into a fight? And it's good from time to time to think about things such as, is the disrespect I have received even remotely deserved. It usually is evoked somehow. Some things we say, or the way we say it. I'm usually not very tolerant, and don't expect it from others, so I wouldn't be very surprised to see it here. And especially here.
But like stated, this would be better off dead.

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#5654 - 03/14/08 06:01 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TornadoCreator]
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This totally reminds me of this one episode in The Real World (MTV)... you know, that show where they take total strangers and put them in the same house and things between everyone begins great, but then the drama happens. This forum is like our virtual Real World house. I wonder what secrets everyone's sharing in your PMs about everyone else? Its just exciting to be a part of it. It's like a sociological experiment, that has meaning: <Can Satanists get along when enclosed in the same locale?> The only thing missing to make this a cool reality show is the backstabbing sex! If all of us were stranded on a deserted island (like in Lost) and couldn't get off... boy - some of us would be plotting a murder - like in Lord Of The Flies (love the book btw), when they kill the fat boy. I can think of someone i'd like too...(X)... then there's some i wouldn't mind eloping with. To bad its just the internet.
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#5656 - 03/14/08 06:12 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Hey. There's always cybersex with webcams and sending viruses by e-mail. That's the closest I think we'll ever get to actual sex and murder.
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#5658 - 03/14/08 06:17 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Hey. There's always cybersex with webcams and sending viruses by e-mail. That's the closest I think we'll ever get to actual sex and murder.
LOL; i forgot about that!? I don't know how to make viruses... but i can cybersex. Thats true. See thats all we need, backstabbing cybersex, and our Real Satanic World is complete. Thats hot. TC you wanna elope while these guys duke it out?

Yeah... if this forum were Gilligan's Island I would be Ginger... for obvious reasons. TC your the millionaire Thurston Howel cuz you have the most posts... Xear is the Skipper, cuz he owns the boat... Amina is the professor cuz she's academically inclined... DaVinci you can be Marry-Ann... whose Gilligan?


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#5660 - 03/14/08 07:00 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Why the hell not. I should have been married 6 weeks already anyway so it's not like I haven't planned. Just so long as I can make one request... no church.
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#5669 - 03/14/08 08:42 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TornadoCreator]
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ha dont know about the others but this is my personal vendetta against ordenlli,i saw him in a new skin and exposed him for his lying way and if all that achomplished is that people know who they are dealing with so be it and give ammunation to others (the enemy of my enemy is my friend).i hate my enemys absolute and davinci/ordenlli is my enemy. you i have never liked your opions tc expcesslliy after you opinions on the socitey and acceptance thread. but you are not my enemy. and when you posted your pic i half expected a very ugly autsimy looking fellow as you have never show your pic and your opions on this forum but i was quite suprised to see your sexyness well done on that. remeber its easy to be wolf on the internet in rl it is alot diffrent.you have to back up your words.and half the memebers on here i bet it was some one like me that made you not want to go to school .in real life i am a predator as i know some on here are. it is my belif matthew is the prey in real life and it was some one like me beating him down in school every day all talk no action. but this can of course not ever be confirmed unless i ever come to austrilia (witch i cant even legaly leave the country right now) or matthew leigh ordenlli come to canada witch i doubt either will happen. till that day that i face my enemy in perosn he is a ghoast to me on this board, anyone can say anyhting on the net but with out the violence to back it up words are nothing.
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#5670 - 03/14/08 08:47 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I think this is a little more personal than you realise DaVinci, people for some reason have decided you are this weeks punching bag and quite frankly I don't care why. I think it's childish and pathetic that people want to cause a damn argument over this.


It's got nothing to do with being this weeks punching bag. In the whole time you have been here, have I ever had aweekly punching bag? No, that's just plain wrong.

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If he says it's not his name, it's not his fucking name, DEAL!
Except it is his fucking name. He has already admitted that he was Ordellani, so that is not the crux of the problem.

Below is a post I wrote last night, but never posted because I had been drinking and wanted to reread it this morning when I was sober and able to be more objective.

TC, I understand where you are coming from and what you are saying and more power to you for your beliefs.

My issue however, is that like you, I'm a completely upfront person. I don't pretend to be anything or anyone that I am not.
I'm confident enough in who and what I am to be willing to show my flaws and admit my pettiness.

The reason that I find the need to question, poke and now totally disbelieve people like DaVinci in general and DaVinci in this particular instance is that I find it offensive for someone to so thoroughly misrepresent themselves in a place that I enjoy and actually think of as a safe haven to people like myself, that are not part of the general crowd.

I’m not saying that people here are part of the general crowd, quite the opposite in fact. And I’m not saying that my opinions are the be all and end all of anything, but I do know one thing. I know bullshit when I hear it and the fact of the matter is, DaVinci has been sprouting ALOT of bullshit, for some reason known only to him.

The sad thing about it is, he is obviously intelligent and well versed in satanic philosophy and by doing what he has done, he has alienated people like myself, who are open minded, to his own detriment. Now because of his need to lie, I’m not interested in any of his opinions regardless of how intelligent, well thought out or educated they are. To me his is just a liar and in my personal world and philosophy in life, lying is right up there with rape and child abuse.

How can you have thought provoking and ethic evolving discussions with someone that isn’t putting forth the same honesty as yourself?

If you go back to the beginning, back to where Ordellani first introduces himself you’ll find that Matthew actually does give his full name and quite a bit of personal information. He also makes complete opposite statements to that which he makes only a month or two later when he introduces himself as DaVinci.
” [url=http://www.the600club.com/dir/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/258/Number/2398#Post2398[/url]

"I am Matthew Ordellani - Satanist and founder of Ordellani Studios. I enlisted in the Australian Defence Force when I was 17, and have just recently completed my training to be sworn in as an Officer in the Australian Army. Juggling my work as a web designer, and being in the ADF full-time can be a strain, but the eventual outcome is completely worth every minute of struggle.

I was first introduced to Satanism through my own curiosity at the young and impressionable age of 14. After dazzling through a few Occult books and documentaries, I eventually came to the understanding and realisation that I was a Satanist - being because I was seeing my own reflective thought-process within the philosophical literature of Anton Szandor LaVey - Founder of the Church of Satan.

I detest those who lack basic human intelligence, and those wanting to be spoon-fed information instead of doing the research beforehand. I hold honor and respect in high-esteem and dislike anyone who fails to show respect to those who have earned it, or those of authority both on the Internet, and in the real world.

I have no time nor patience for pseudo-intellectual besmirching morons who are out to 'stir the pot' and simply fool rubes. I'm a proud Father to my 3 year-old Son Eric and I am engaged to the Mother of my beautiful boy, Emily."

And back then, he was only having some sort of personal joust with Rob, but instead of standing up and saying hey, this guy is attacking me personally and I don’t like it, he ran and hid only to come back with a different identity later. Not just a different identity, but a whole new ‘I’m not a Satanist line’ that was a complete flip flop on something he wrote only a couple of months earlier.

He hasn’t backed up any of his claims made with facts or proof, something that when I first found this club, I got thoroughly caned for doing.

You forget that maybe people like Ta2zz has previously put forward and had all these discussions on the nuances of Satanism, so unless something truly ‘new’ comes up in a thread, probably can’t be bothered having the same conversations all over again.

This is probably true for quite a few of the old timers (and I don’t mean literal age). I know it is for me. It really is a huge shame that all that information was lost from the old site. Had I known that that was a factor I would have been trying to back it up myself as there were things lost and discussions had that I would have liked my children to read when they are older and maybe I’m dead?

I know that I did attack him in a rather emotional manner when he made that first post about the whole sorry thing, but it would have gone no further than that, if he had been mature enough to back off, post only when he had something of relevance to add and stop trying to chase either the blue nametag or a post count. Because whether you like it or not, he’s chasing something. Otherwise he would not need to fill the boards with things like ‘I don’t know the answer, but there will be someone on here who does’ or write I agree with you after every comment that says what he was thinking on the subject.

We could all be doing that. Actually I personally have found that often, by the time I get through a thread (because of time zones or whatever) my initial thoughts after reading the initial post will already have been covered, which is why I make sure I read through the complete thread before answering. Because no one on here cares if I agree with something written, if I don’t actually add more to the conversation.

You do however, have to expect some repercussions if you actively enjoy being considered an arsehole.

[url=http://www.the600club.com/dir/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/155/Number/2433#Post2433[/url]

“I'm a Satanist - and quite frankly I enjoy playing the "asshole" role. If you don't like it that's your problem and you'll have to deal with the consequences of that decision.

Satanists act on impulse - and me being an asshole is generally who I am. In the words of Jack Malebranche "Put up, or shut up!"”

What he is failing to realise and what he is whining about in this post is that he also has to deal with the consequences of that. Actually if that statement doesn’t read troll I don’t know what does?

We’re all pretty tough on this site. Matthew is never going to be the man that he pretends to be, whilst he has this attitude of I’m bigger and better than everyone else.

Ta2zz has said two of the wisest things that I have ever heard on this site. He may be overbearing to some and he may not hold the authority that apparently DaVinci needs to respect someone, but he IS worldly wise. More so than either of you boys.

One of the wise things that Ta2zz believes and you can see practices is that everyone has something to teach you. It doesnt’ matter if they are smarter or dumber than you. It doesn’t matter if they are older or younger, richer or poorer, they do have something to teach you. There is going to be things that they know more about, because let’s face it, no-one knows all about everything. So if your end goal on this site is to just win debates, you aren’t actually going to be open to what others can teach you. If your not really reading what is being said, but rather thinking instead about how you'll reply to it so it looks wrong or foolish then why bother being here at all?

Now I’m hoping that this is the last I will have to say on the matter, but I can’t promise you that it will be. ;\)
Zeph
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#5673 - 03/14/08 09:02 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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All this shit is stupid.

This is a satanic board, not a hippy tree hugging site.

No one has to like anyone, respect anyone, tolerate anyone, or have sex with them unless they choose to.

Respect is earned.
The idiots get called out, and the weak get eaten.
If one can survive, and learn, you will thrive, and make lasting friendships.

We are all supposed to be intelligent.
I think its time to start acting it, and just ignor the idiots.
They will get tired of the lack of attention, and go away.

While the intelligence level will again rise.

Enjoy the weekend,
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#5674 - 03/14/08 09:07 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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yes he was not my enemy till he made some outrages post aobut his so called noexistant company and insulted mine .i have no problem with people being arrogent had i looked at his site and had decent work i would have gladey told him nice work and left it alone but to insult my success when he had nothing of his own thats just weak and then to lie aobut it to try to make him self look better.im with zeph on how liers rate up their.when you are arrogent and you havent earned it that i have a problem with.
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#5678 - 03/14/08 09:16 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: rob_church]
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but yes i shall take my vendetta from public eye and let this site get back to its usal quality i shall post no more on this matter.i informed people on who this perosn is and that was all i wanted to do. till i meet my enemy in perosn its all just words anyways.
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#5688 - 03/14/08 10:31 PM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: rob_church]
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This post is in response to everyone: Knock off this petty cunt infighting or I'm locking the thread. The only thing your replies to this shit are doing is feeding the bull and keeping it alive. Let it die.

If another user's posts grate on your nerves in some way, block them. See no stupid, read no stupid, post no stupid. If you get off on this kind of exchange with complete strangers, stick to PMing each other. The board is not a vomitorium nor a lubricated hand with which to masturbate one's ego.

Rob, thank you for stating your intention to back off. We'd all appreciate it if everyone would do the same.

Sincerely,
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#5704 - 03/15/08 05:18 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: Nemesis]
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I was intending to reply but I have nothing that is an absolute must to be said, so I'll just leave it at this point now as Nemesis has requested.
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#5758 - 03/16/08 01:42 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Except it is his fucking name.


Although the name being implied is not that of my own; are you aware of the severe Military and Government consequences for releasing the name of a Soldier on the Internet? I do believe the punishment is Prison time -- but Prison at Holsworthy, not a civilian Prison. It also means critical changes of location of the select Soldier whose personal and confidential information has just been released into a place containing alot of activity from members of the IIM.

So, I must warn you for future reference -- and while I won't report you -- you cannot disclose information about Soldiers on the Internet. It is both a blatant violation of OPSEC and PERSEC. Yes, I stated my name was Matthew on the last account, but that is simply a name to go by -- it is not my real name. At the respects of Nemesis, I will no longer be replying to this thread. You are free to dismiss my posts at anytime, but this eventually needs to stop -- or I myself will be forced to take higher authority action. Remember, this isn't a civilian you're dealing with.
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#5760 - 03/16/08 03:42 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: DaVinci]
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My dear Matthew, DaVinci or more appropriatley Troll.

I know you're full of shit. And what is more you would make a lousy poker player. Such an obvious attempt to bluff would leave you chipless and wondering where the fuck the last blow came from.

Nememsis, I'm sorry...........but if he really respected you, he wouldn't have found the need to get in one more comment.
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#5761 - 03/16/08 03:52 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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And if you doubt that is he trying to bluff you all, go to the Australian Defence Forces website, that regularly discolses the names of it's soldiers, their ranks and what they do.

http://www.defence.gov.au/

I find it laughable that you think this would work Matthew.

http://www.defence.gov.au/our_people/tas/20080313/index.htm

LOL
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#5764 - 03/16/08 06:49 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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What the fu#k is sh#t in davinci's feast?
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#5766 - 03/16/08 07:32 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
And if you doubt that is he trying to bluff you all, go to the Australian Defence Forces website, that regularly discolses the names of it's soldiers, their ranks and what they do.

http://www.defence.gov.au/

I find it laughable that you think this would work Matthew.

http://www.defence.gov.au/our_people/tas/20080313/index.htm

LOL


a) Those names are released under permissions from the individual Soldier -- no article can be published inside or outside of the Internet without the express written permissions of any Defence Force Personell. So again, check your facts.

b) You may also want to read over the following articles, which clearly state the Australian Defence Force's Policies on the Internet.

[Defence Force: Policy]
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#5767 - 03/16/08 07:33 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: DaVinci]
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Oh, as for one more comment -- who replied? Hypocrite much? Stop the crap, get over the fact that you think you have "exposed" me, and go on with your life. Take it to PM if you still feel the need to unfactually attack me. \:\)
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#5768 - 03/16/08 08:48 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: DaVinci]
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Sorry, DaVinci, but I have to be the ass to jump on your last post. That's not an article, it's a link that leads to a search for "Defence policy", can you give a direct link because it's only more ammunition otherwise.
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#5769 - 03/16/08 09:35 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I didn't disclose Jack Shit. YOU were the one who put your name real or otherwise in the very first post you made to the 600 club.
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#5771 - 03/16/08 10:02 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Sorry, DaVinci, but I have to be the ass to jump on your last post. That's not an article, it's a link that leads to a search for "Defence policy", can you give a direct link because it's only more ammunition otherwise.


One of the links in there contained the Defence Fore Policy, mate. I couldn't remember which one, but it is in there. I have a copy here so I'll try scan it tomorrow and upload it.
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#5772 - 03/16/08 10:06 AM Re: Tolerance & Respect [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
I didn't disclose Jack Shit. YOU were the one who put your name real or otherwise in the very first post you made to the 600 club.


Actually, you did.

Matthew is not my real name. I won't be repeating this, so please do not address me by a name in which is not my legal birth or changed name. I have stated many times that I did indeed post that thread under the name of Matthew -- however as I have also stated, that is not my real name. It was simply a name to go by so that people would not have to remember "Ordellani" -- as I have been told it is difficult to pronounciate.
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