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#55777 - 06/13/11 01:40 PM No Pat Down Law
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http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-n...t-down-law.html

This is one of the most interesting and crazy pieces of legislation I have heard of in quite a while. Personally I find this bill not only incredibily stupid but poses a national security risk for the whole country. I mean this is one way to reduce the amount of drugs coming across the border because they'll just bring it in through the airport. This is like saying I don't like getting speeding tickets so I'm going to create a law that says the police can't give them out anymore.

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#55781 - 06/13/11 02:18 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Meph9]
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There is really no need for them to do pat downs anyways. With the metal detectors and x-ray booths they should be able to find anything that could constitute a threat.

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I mean this is one way to reduce the amount of drugs coming across the border because they'll just bring it in through the airport.


Any amount of drugs that is worth smuggling into another country would be too large to fit on one's person. They would have to carry it in their luggage. Pat downs don't find things in people's luggage.

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This is like saying I don't like getting speeding tickets so I'm going to create a law that says the police can't give them out anymore.


No it's not. All it does is stop TSA from putting their hands on people. It doesn't stop them from searching for contraband in other ways.
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#55786 - 06/13/11 03:29 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Before I go any further I do apologize if anything isn't spelled correctly or gramaticly correct I'm on a public computer right now so I'll do my best.

While there really is no need for pat-downs I don't think there should be a law against them. Yes we have metal detectors and x-rays for both people and luggage the pat down is now being reserved for those hyper sensitive people who don't want to have an x-ray taken of them for whatever reason.

Personally I would prefer both metal detector and mandatory pat downs for security and peace of mind. It's only a matter of time before people learn how the x-ray machines work and develop a counter. I'm sure it could be done (personal opinion). If the pat down remains in place it's just another step for people with malicious intent to think about twice before trying to do something on an airline. There's really no point in getting rid of pat downs because not only have they been around for a while but it should also ad an extra sense of security to travelers.

Of course you got people who attribute a pat down to being gropped; but these people should either A) not fly or B) deal with it.

As far as drugs go, 6 you hit the nail on the head. We do have that rare occurance in airports where people get caught trying to smuggle drugs in large quantities but most of the time end up getting caught.
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#55790 - 06/13/11 05:52 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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This legislation is just an example of all the complaining about the methods used by the TSA. If these people think getting patted down is an egregious violation of privacy do really there not going to have a fit about a full body scan. It seems that people want to have security in terms of public transportation but don't want to have to go through any those security measures.

The TSA gets a nit a bad rep for doing what it's been created and put in place to do, but in the event there was some terrorist incident the first people who would be blamed would be the TSA.


In terms of the drug war I think the DEA should be completely defunded and broken up, because we simply don't have the time or money to finance their activities. I don't think there should be a war on drugs but I guarantee that gov't of Texas which nearly put this in place probably does.

Metal detectors don't find plastic or items which could be held on one's person so I wouldn't that the pat down is entirely useless.

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#55797 - 06/13/11 07:24 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Meph9]
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You have those plastic explosive sniffing machines, the x-rays so good you can see nipples, and metal detectors.

There is no reason for some cunt to touch me.

Every trip I take to the airport is fucking pain in the ass.

I go through all of that shit, and they still want to feel me up.
Yeah, I have big boobs, but please, shit with as much as they do sometimes I want a cigarette afterwards.

Instead of bothering the American chicks in tight clothes, they need to go bother the Arabic/Indian women in those huge caftans that hide bombs easily. Shit maybe next time I should dress like that and see if they leave my ass alone.

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#55801 - 06/13/11 07:50 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Yeah, I have big boobs...


;\)

(No offense intended, Morgan. Just playing with your words, and having fun with it!)

 Originally Posted By: Meph9
This legislation is just an example of all the complaining about the methods used by the TSA.


We are always standing and working in this dynamism of duality that some would term a "problem". More precisely speaking, we are this "problem" and this "problem" is us. Unless we start from this "problem", we cannot solve the problem of combining with a resolution which has a priority to legislation, for example.

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#55809 - 06/13/11 09:18 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Meph9]
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This legislation is just an example of all the complaining about the methods used by the TSA. If these people think getting patted down is an egregious violation of privacy do really there not going to have a fit about a full body scan.


That may but true but my contention is simply that the x-rays and metal detectors are more effective at detecting possible threats than a pat down.

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It seems that people want to have security in terms of public transportation but don't want to have to go through any those security measures.


Yeah, people can be difficult like that. However, I don't think anyone is asking for an end to all security measures.

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The TSA gets a nit a bad rep for doing what it's been created and put in place to do, but in the event there was some terrorist incident the first people who would be blamed would be the TSA.


I think the TSA catches the most flack from people because often times they suck at their job.

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In terms of the drug war I think the DEA should be completely defunded and broken up, because we simply don't have the time or money to finance their activities. I don't think there should be a war on drugs


If that is true then why were you an advocate of pat downs in your original post because they are "one way to reduce the amount of drugs coming across the border"?

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Metal detectors don't find plastic or items which could be held on one's person so I wouldn't that the pat down is entirely useless.


Right, which is where the x-ray machines come in handy.

I would be more worried about having a suicidal pilot who would rather take out a jet full of people with him than die alone than I would be about some random asshole getting on a plane with malicious intent. And incidents of the former or even rarer than the latter.

Before 9/11, when was the last time something like that happened? And before that? Usually, when a trip on a plane ends up being fatal, it is due to mechanical failure or pilot error - or your ticket price includes an in-flight heart attack. But ever since 9/11, people have been extra paranoid about plane travel. Specifically concerning fears of terrorists or other homicidal d-bag being on their plane.
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#55811 - 06/13/11 09:35 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Morgan]
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Instead of bothering the American chicks in tight clothes, they need to go bother the Arabic/Indian women in those huge caftans that hide bombs easily

Yes, because racial profilig solves all problems...

You do realize that as soon those individuals who might want to do some harm on a filght see that there is a profile in place the change costumes. They start trying to get more dumb suburbanites to carry the bombs

On another all of the various terrorists of late (9-11,Underwear guy,Time Square) were wearing regular everday type clothes not mideast or muslim style garb.

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#55814 - 06/13/11 10:42 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Meph9]
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Actually, they should do racial profiling.
FUCK POLITICAL CORRECT BULLSHIT.

I know all about Tim Mcvey, but the majority of problem idiot bombers are of middle east descent. So search them more often.

Let them change clothes and dress just like everyone else. Maybe then their women would be allowed out of the middle ages. At least here the female children are allowed to go to school instead of being beaten.

People are more aware of the luggage they carry, especially now with all the carry on and check charges, no one is going to carry on someone else bag by mistake, shit that's an extra $55 bucks.

Yes, those guys were wearing regular clothes, So that is another point for racial profiling.

I live in NYC, I am more aware of what everyone does when I travel. Nothing is perfect but if you are going to do searches, do it right. Search the lady in the huge billowing outfit, not the chick who's barely wearing clothes. Search the smelly guys, it might be a way to try and fool the plastic explosive machine.

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#55820 - 06/14/11 02:31 AM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Morgan]
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You seem incapable of understanding how ineffective racial profiling is when faced with an enemy who can easily adapt to beat that profile. Al Qaeda/Hamas/blah etc. have followers of all different colors.

It's got nothing to do with what the women over there are wearing, the people you're looking for aren't wearing that to begin with. So if you're going to make in terms of racial identity or nationality to look for say Arabs, one would miss the underwear bomber who was from africa. If you expand that profile to africans and arabs now you've already got a group which large help you narrow down suspects, not to mention the fact that there are so many people in the U.S. with mixed racial backgrounds.

It's just not that workable in the real world.

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#55827 - 06/14/11 09:02 AM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Meph9]
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I know that many people are getting pissed off by this law and ive seen it on the news again and again. But frankly i dont see the big deal, the guy isnt givin you a cavity search, he's just patting you down. It takes about a whole minute if that and its over. Its just for our safety. I find it intresting that people always find a way to be unhappy. Theyd bitch if someone snuck a knife on the plane but then they'll bitch because they get patted down to make sure no one has a knife on them.
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#55839 - 06/14/11 11:45 AM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: battlescar22]
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"You seem incapable of understanding how ineffective racial profiling is when faced with an enemy who can easily adapt to beat that profile. Al Qaeda/Hamas/blah etc. have followers of all different colors."

True, but so far they all look arabic including the shoe bomber.
Fuck it, its still better to do it, then not.

Anyplace you go, you judge people. By how they look, what they are wearing, what you assume them to be like. This simple thinking that you find useless helps to keep you alive and aware in various situations. You are quite naive if you think people don't live up to their stereotypes.

I think you are really thinking too politically correct.

Honestly, if they are going to try to do it again, there are simply better ways.

Poison the food and ice cube supply.

I have taken a knife on a plane by mistake and they missed it with all their deep scientific searching and pat downs. I didnt even remember I had it in my purse.

The security is pretty much a minimum wage job at this point, do you think they really care about doing the right thing in regards to people? They are going to do whatever they think they can get away with. Just ask Chole Kardasian when the guy or was it girl (I dont remember exactly) slipped his hand in her pants waistband and felt up her ass. Yeah she has a big ass, but
its obviously real. Maybe guys dont get it, but women do.

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#55844 - 06/14/11 02:06 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Morgan]
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Dispelling doubts through a respectful search of all people on public transportation would be a good way to clear the air and have everyone make polite conversation without anxiety on the plane.

I reckon first of all you observe the persons gait, their body language, then it's all down to the various attributes that can reveal the persons potential motives, like cultural indications, clothes, out of character clothes, poorly matched western fashions that look desperately random paired with an identifiably Muslim "gait" for example.

A bum looser stinking of booze and piss is not likely to be a lethally sophisticated psychopath. A suave, devilishly handsome and charismatic fellow is though.

You can't have a single fixation on or negation of one factor alone as that is foolishly blind prejudice without rationality that probably stems from trying to identify an enemy out of irrational fear simply to calm anxiety. A percent of suspicion due to race, a percent of cultural or religious indications, a large percent is the observable actions etc. you can't have a moral mind block when it comes to cold hard reality situations of mortality.

A lack of casual mannerisms or a 1000 yard stare that will always happen, if momentarily as the purp is "justifying" before acting.

It's everything together, you can't just remove different elements when profiling people simply because society says it's not nice or racist in a certain tone of voice.

In no way is persecuting Arabs with a "pat down" at the airport any different than persecuting white English skinheads at a football match against, say, I don't know, Saudi Arabia. Both guys from different cultures would get searched at the environment which they'd be predicted to have the propensity to become volatile, simply because these stereotypes have previously been observed to catalyse violence under the known conditions.

I can't see what the fuss is about unless you're a homophobe who experiences immense emotional trauma from a "pat down" from thinking the security is somebody trying to rape you. If men are that effeminate and nervous then they ought to be sanctioned on the indication of severe mental illness.
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#55874 - 06/15/11 05:59 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Morgan]
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Indeed as man I did not fully understand the feelings of women in regards to strangers examinging their private places. Having said that I would say that if anything this points to a need to for the TSA agents needing to be trained and held accountable if they abuse their position.






These two men do not look the same, they do not have teh same ethnic background. Thus "so far they all look arabic" is not a true statement. I we should also remember that one does not have to be a radical muslim to want to blow up a plane.

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#55878 - 06/15/11 08:49 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Meph9]
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http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http...iw=1280&bih=642


That is a picture of the shoe bomber.

The black guy picture you put up is the guy who tried to set his underwear on fire. He had mental issues, if I remember correctly and was even reported to the police by his family for being dangerous. Mental instability comes in all colors of the rainbow, but that is not what we were talking about.

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#56105 - 06/20/11 09:00 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Morgan]
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The "black guy" in the picture was no more mentally unstable than anyone else who tries to blow themselves up for "allah". What we were talking about is violent islamic radicalism which attracts idiots of all colors thus racial profiliing is not going to be all that effective at finding them. This coupled with the fact so many people in America are of mixed racial ancestry...

It at best wouldn't work for all that long

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#56129 - 06/21/11 01:07 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Meph9]
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The current level of airport scanning/pat-downs/feel-ups is pointless (no pun intended).

America will only be completely safe when we all fly in the nude.* Write your Congressperson today!

* This might still miss people with a rod up their ass, and unfortunately there are a good many of these in today's society.
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#56179 - 06/22/11 10:17 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I feel sorry for Texansbecause if Rick Perry signsthe bill all commercial flights going to or coming home would be canceled
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#56297 - 06/28/11 09:05 AM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yurl_piWaBE

Technology used to judge a subject’s state of mind. Pre-Crime Screening System.
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#56318 - 06/29/11 12:55 AM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Hegesias]
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To my disdain and suprise they just passed this legislation

We know everything is bigger in Texas but now it looks like everything is dumber to

But on the topic of "precrime" the only place I would like to see this tech in use in America is the movie minority report. We can't have a free or at least semi-free society if law enforcement has the ability to punish people for their thoughts or demeanor

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#56321 - 06/29/11 08:39 AM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Meph9]
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That machine is in my neck of the woods. Some people are just like those machines, spooky huh.

The sad fact remains that a lot of humans have lost all sensibility about their own nature, therefore, technology is instinctual for them. This is why it's possible for certain covert interlocutors to observe up to a diagnostic certainty about that which a gait conveys, in speech or gradients of somatic disclosures.

What we have here is an idea that a Satanist ought to look at with amused indifference.

Whomever dislikes the machines implementation is either up to no good without validity of his competence, or simply too nervous to have fun with it, insofar as laughing at all the nervous and twitchy people getting carted off by thought police for no reason other than being weak. I can see this machine having other implementations, to be of a far greater magnitude, insofar as it's capacity towards weeding out the dross of humanity at a cerebral level.

Pre-Stupidity Screening System.
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#56338 - 06/29/11 05:25 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Hegesias]
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If the machine works every that would be true, but in reality it won't. If the people allow a government to essentially target or attack different groups simply for being or acting "odd" or "diffenrent' they might as well surrender all their rights and pocessions to that government because the only way that will end is with a facist society.

I sure you'll love the machine until you carted away. Anyone who believes that there can "precrime" punishment in a peaceful or free society has logic which is infected by delusion.

Instead of wasting money on projects like this how about we continue to use the security measures we've been using, they seem work.

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#56339 - 06/29/11 08:55 PM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Meph9]
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"If the machine works every that would be true, but in reality it won't. If the people allow a government to essentially target or attack different groups simply for being or acting "odd" or "different' they might as well surrender all their rights and processions to that government because the only way that will end is with a fascist society."— Meph9

Why would a government attack a "group" for acting "differently"? The machine is tuned to sense nervousness and potentia for erratic criminality of separate individuals.

"I sure you'll love the machine until you carted away. Anyone who believes that there can "precrime" punishment in a peaceful or free society has logic which is infected by delusion."— Meph9

Why would I get carted away? To put "peaceful" and "free" in the same sentence can only apply to disguised forms of the will to power, and the subversion that is peace pathos. If people were free the innate drives of pleasure and aggression impulses would be unbound and create havoc and ecstasy.

Also, who says I've ever even wanted to commit a crime? Crimes aren't interesting to me, transgressive acts with my partner are consensual, so who wants to be distracted by lesser stimulations or material gain? Not me. My desires are for pleasure and aggression, nothing abstract. I have a beautiful partner. Also, there are more than enough encounters with Mundanes who define themselves suitable to have their head smashed in. Like warm sun on my face.

I don't do drugs nor drink alcohol. People who do so in my presence have been hospitalised for arousing my disgust by their diseased character and ill manners. If you have a problem with this that's fine, just don't expect any remorse from me. I respect those who value sobriety and represent nobility.

Humans are sometimes inept at displaying manners and respect. There is no personal vendetta but to exemplify the outcome to others. The only reason petty criminals do what they do (peasantry evil) is because the law protects them from having their head smashed in by those who would represent nature in it's entelechy.

Who would ever declare that the strong are not noble would be despicable themselves. To gather dishonourably and plot to dishonourably bring down those they fear and cannot show respect toward because they are cowardly and dishonourable themselves. Respect would be earned this way for surely the weak would not push their luck and the most powerful would revere one another and respect boundaries of territory.

The West is very clever at disguising it's motives to those assimilated by the Judeo-Christian morality, Mundane atheists included. The people are meek and dishonourable for the most part, pottering about subjugating one another with disguised forms of the will to power through the Judeo-Christian morality.

Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no such thing as idyllic peace, only equilibrium. Equilibrium is obtained by a balance of power. The West is weak and believes in an abstract delusion called peace, this is insulting and begs punishment.

Everything something does is it's will to power. There is only the will to power, and if people are oblivious to their own poorly disguised forms of the will to power, then that's their problem. Professing peace is an ambiguous expression that shows cowardice. There is no nobility displayed to gage respect.

What's wrong with a fascist society? There are those who say keeping marijuana illegal is fascism, but then I could say to make that pass properly it would only be logical to make it legal to retaliate to passive aggressive hippies. I'm apolitical and could care less, I just see through peoples modus and visit a correction to whom deserves it.

Basically society allows passive aggressions and disallows direct aggressions. This escalates situations that could otherwise be resolved. The myth of peace can only create ambiguous situations to escalate and fear of social anarchy causing tension, there are no boundaries set and no respect conferred. Equilibrium is gained through a balance of power.

Also, I don't need pre-crime technology to see whom nature has turned her face from and forsaken.
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#56348 - 06/30/11 01:18 AM Re: No Pat Down Law [Re: Hegesias]
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This is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard...

now we'll start at the top:

1) why would governments target individuls for being outside the norm? Oh,idk, maybe to keep power(duh)

2) I am not sure if you understand this technology works because otherwise you would know that the device relays statistical probabilities not some kind of psychic mind reader machine. The scanner can only identify people who acting different, but it can not ascertain the cause.
ex: lets say we have a person who is scared of flying and is thus quite nervous. The machine would target that person for sweating or jittery types behavior, is being apprehensive about air planes I think not Your statement claiming the machine would only track "criminals" is all together false.

3) Why might someone like you or I be targeted here has to do with the fact that for better or worse satanists not very popular. If you actually look at the pages of history you'll governments have regularly sought to eliminate political and religious dissidents. Why you might ask? To use others as a scapegoat to assist them in KEEPING POWER! Look at the jews in the second world, did they in fact stab the Germans in the back like the nazi party claimed during WW1? Not at all but that fact didn't shield them from extermination. Again another failed point.

4) "The only reason petty criminals do what they do (peasantry evil) is because the law protects them from having their head smashed in by those who would represent nature in it's entelechy." So then criminals commit crimes because of laws? This "creative" logic is circular at best.

5) What's wrong with a facist society? Read history on facist nations and see if you really want to live there.

With that I will waste no more time discussing your "creative commentary" and motion to return to the actual topic this thread is established

P.S. when I used the word "you" I was reffering to the plural version (ex: you guys) not you specifically

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