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#60195 - 10/18/11 04:51 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis

Also, if anything DOES come of this mess, it will be so bastardized and far from the original movement (which is thus far undefined) that it will be unrecognizable and effectively useless.



A whole lot of people with a lot of pent up anger and hope and energy, a global recognition, money starting to come in, and no purpose yet ... it'll get perverted like a young Midwest girl going to Hollywood to fulfill her dream in the film industry.

It'll be beautiful to watch.
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#60196 - 10/18/11 05:05 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Autodidact]
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I suspect it will end up something like the peacenik counterculture movements of the 60s, where the overwhelming majority of younger participants will get bored of the protesting after a few years and simply settle into mainstream life, looking fondly back thinking, "Remember years ago when we were kids and we thought we could actually help create positive change? Boy, were we stupid... but at least we had some cool drum circles."
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#60281 - 10/20/11 08:53 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Autodidact]
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 Originally Posted By: Autodidact
it'll get perverted like a young Midwest girl going to Hollywood to fulfill her dream in the film industry.


One can only hope. I'll be going downtown tomorrow in search of that young girl to corrupt. \:\)
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#62750 - 12/19/11 05:22 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Nemesis]
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Most of them are protesting their own poor financial decisions. "Why am I stuck with $20,000 in college tuition loans?" Apologies if I find it difficult to feel any sympathy for whiners.


It is nearly impossible for a middle class family to pay for college without going into massive debt. So since our k-12 public school system our kids are not leaving school prepared thus they must go earn a degree just to survive. When the economy dips and people buy important things like education on credit it just snowballs out of control.

Millions of people are frustrated because they have always played by the rules and done what they were told yet they still are being hit by various mistakes of others. Society has taught them all their lives that your life must be, this, this and this otherwise you'll die poor and lonely. So after getting a loan to go to college to earn a degree and graduate to a market where none of those things matter

where are getting this idea that the protesters are wealthy or affulent? Sounds like they'd love to earn twenty dollars an hour...

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#62774 - 12/20/11 10:04 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Meph9]
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 Originally Posted By: Meph9
It is nearly impossible for a middle class family to pay for college without going into massive debt.

This sentence is almost right, but not quite. It should begin with “without guidance.”

My middle school-aged daughter is growing up in a middle class family, but I am confident that she will graduate from college with little or no debt. Why? Because I’m looking after her. She gets to benefit from the lessons I learned (the hard way) about student loans. She sees me go to my second job to pay down my loan, and she understands that I have her best interest at heart when I encourage her (and help her) to do her best at school. She knows I’ll be there for her every step of the way, seeking guidance from others when my own guidance is insufficient, and advising her to get a student loan only as an absolute last resort.

There very well may be more that the government can do to make college more affordable for middle class families, but I think it’s naïve to rely on the government for much of anything. When it comes down to student loans, if you’ve got them then pay them down as quickly as you can, and if you don’t have them then know what the hell you’re getting yourself into before you even think about signing your name on the dotted line. Let the buyer beware – it’s as important a lesson as any that you’ll learn in a classroom.
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#62776 - 12/20/11 10:40 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: William Wright]
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Do you ever wonder if that degree was worth it?

I mean you're 40 something, working two jobs and still paying student debt. If you had dropped out at 16 or 18 and started to work somewhere, would it have made any difference? Besides years of filling another's pockets?

D.

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#62777 - 12/21/11 12:17 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Diavolo]
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Oh, absolutely. I think about it a lot – times I wished to god I could just give back that fancy shmancy degree and get a refund. But of course, I can’t. That brings up another point: The degree needs to translate into a career that is well paying and in demand. I remember my grandfather referring to a college degree as a meal ticket; all you need is that piece of paper and you’re good to go. Well, times have changed. People aren’t impressed with college degrees anymore. What they want to know is, “What can you do? How can you make me money?”

I wandered into college because I didn’t know what else to do. It was stupid, and all I can do now is move forward. I expect to have my loan paid off in a few more years, and then it will be just a bad memory. I wouldn’t advise anyone, including my daughter, on going to college unless they had a career path that required it. College isn’t for everyone, and it’s not a decision to be taken lightly.
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#62778 - 12/21/11 02:11 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: William Wright]
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It's a bit of a silly game that is being played there. First you need to invest a load of money in a degree. Then most spend years paying back that money and halfway their life, have to switch careers which often involves getting another degree. If you then consider the fact they prefer all to work longer and longer, the last decade of their working life, they face the same problem they have halfway.

No matter what degree you get, within twenty years everything changed that much, many are simply worthless.

There's only one group I see laughing and that's the banks.

D.

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#62811 - 12/22/11 02:09 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Diavolo]
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A silly game indeed. Complicating matters is the fact that although college degrees typically mean less to employers now than they did in my parents’ generation, many employers (especially large companies) will not give job seekers without a degree a second look. Why? Because they’re being hit with such a massive amount of resumes that they need a quick method of whittling down the pile to a manageable number. So while having a degree by no means guarantees you a job, not having one could mean getting shot down right out of the gate.
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#62823 - 12/22/11 06:15 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: William Wright]
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The University & degree system in the UK is a sham, stemming from a Government dictat that 50% of all children should go to University; easy way to make the dictat fact was to change the non-university aligned urban colleges (traditionally in the UK for the not so bright) into universities. Same buildings, same teachers, same kids...just a different name. The end result of which is a generation given false aspirations because they have a degree, thinking they are highly educated when in fact the extent of their education is the ability to pass exams & get a degree.
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