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#56111 - 06/20/11 10:27 PM 2012 GOP
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With john huntsman, michelle bachmann, and rick perry getting more into the race who is your pick for the 2012 republican nomination? What kind of role might the tea party or corporate interests play in the race? Is there a Republican who can smash Obama?
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#56115 - 06/20/11 11:26 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Meph9]
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The people who should run for office don't, or can't due to outside pressures from all sides. If you watched Ted Nugent speak on CNN a few weeks ago you would understand what I mean. Not meaning he should run (wouldn't be a bad thing) but he named names who should. I am more Independent, but I cannot vote for the lesser of two(or three) evils. If I dont like any of the candidates I dont vote, period.
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#56131 - 06/21/11 01:53 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Meph9]
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Well, I think we should approach Zach to run again. At least he has a platform (or perhaps we should say "slab") that gets down (about 6 feet) to basics.
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#56203 - 06/23/11 07:25 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Yes this will be a "unique" election cycle. It's going involve the people deciding not who is best but least stupid one might say.

You got the left with its zero solutions to our problems. The left which seems to want to mismanage our money

On the right we have xtian extremists who as all extremists wish to annihilate that which doesn't fit into their world fantasy. There own statements reveal people who want to destroy our system of gov't and replace it with theocracy.

Obama likes the sound of his own too much
Romney has no genuine convictions
Bachmann is a xian radical, a perfect definition for the word loon
Palin's not running which I find is a little sad. I mean our country is gonna get seriously tough here in a minute and without Palin who will we have to laugh at and relieve a little stress
Herman Cain is not going to win I mean really do you think the gop is going to pick someone with less experience and a darker skin tone than Barack

Pawlenty has no charisma
Gingrich is a racist and overall just is a fool
Santorum wants to push for radical social indoctrination

Ron Paul is the only one of these candidates that has the intellect, charisma, and experience to win. Which is exactly why he wont win because the incompetent party leadership aren't so down with real liberatarianism

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#56219 - 06/24/11 10:42 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Meph9]
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If I thought the system wasn't fucked. If I thought that my vote would count. If I thought that whoever the real world "elite" wants to put into office, wouldn't go into office... I might vote. I'm 19 now. I didn't register, and I won't participate.
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#56233 - 06/24/11 08:51 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Pizgatti]
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This is more of a general political rant. This thread seems as good a place as any.

What frustrates me about politics is that I have so little control over it. So I like Obama, so I like Romney or Paul, so what? It doesn’t change a thing. Don’t get me wrong, political conversations have their place, but most of the time it seems more like stirring up shit than anything else.

The problem with politics is that so much of our lives depend on it, and yet the only real voice most of us have is at the voting booth – one vote, or if we have enough of an influence on our family and friends, a few votes. A few votes out of millions. Last election I voted for Obama and my wife voted for McCain. We knew we’d be canceling each other’s vote, but we voted anyway. I guess it makes us good Americans. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo.

I can appreciate politics in the same way I appreciate sports, except in this case the Super Bowl is every four years. We grab our popcorn and talk shit and celebrate if our team wins, and then we go back to the real world.
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#56239 - 06/25/11 12:08 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: William Wright]
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If one does not engage in the political process one has no right to complain about the direction of their nation. If "so much of our lives depend on it" why would one choose to not use their only way of influencing it?
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#56245 - 06/25/11 02:34 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Meph9]
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You missed the point. I’m just saying my one vote means next to nothing. Collectively, something – individually, not much. Not exactly rocket science.
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#57841 - 07/30/11 07:44 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: William Wright]
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Eh, I don't think I could vote for the Republican Nominee this cycle. The only one that I could possibly see myself voting for is Ron Paul and even then I disagree with a lot of his views.

The political system as a whole is and always will be dominated by the big money groups but so be it. They used their skills and bought their way into power, I can't fault them for that.

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#58430 - 08/21/11 07:39 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Robert O.]
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Well, I shall pretend my single little vote matters for the purpose of this.

Frankly, I find the institution of "government" to be nothing but a hindrance to just about everything productive in life, so if my vote affected anything I'd cast my lot for Ron Paul.
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#58442 - 08/21/11 09:33 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Squiddles]
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I would only wholeheartedly support a candidate who completely rejected corporate backing-- which of course would make them unelectable.

I have a soft spot for Ron Paul despite his conservative social platform, since he favors scaling back our global military presence, but I doubt his electability, and his ability to actually make good on this should he actually win. No candidate is a "silver bullet", and in all likelihood, the miltary/corporate agenda will simply keep on rolling forward.

Voting, to me, is more useful as an excuse to come in late for work than anything else. Democracy, at the end of the day, is still a form of oligarchy, and humanity is far too stupid for direct democracy to function effectively.
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#58570 - 08/24/11 06:07 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: The Zebu]
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I would only wholeheartedly support a candidate who completely rejected corporate backing-- which of course would make them unelectable.


You're in lucky! You should research a Republican candidate Buddy Roemer. He's a small time candidate and former governor of Louisiana who's running mostly on the issue of campaign finance reform.

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#58592 - 08/25/11 09:35 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Meph9]
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If i'm not mistaken I was raised Republican. My father was always into the GOP and NATO World News. He was so sure the World would turn to a "One World Government" with NATO being the ruling party, the U.S. dollar would be the worlds currency, and The Bush family would remain in power because he was trying to radicate the 22nd Ammendment. .

He's died since then and I just said fuck it and voted for the black guy.
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#59099 - 09/13/11 02:54 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Wicked Satanist]
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Cannot agree with all of Ron Paul, but I would vote for him this time around over the others, including Obama. No one should be surprised by Obama's Republican-lite act.
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#59129 - 09/15/11 01:33 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Gilgamesh]
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 Originally Posted By: Gilgamesh
Cannot agree with all of Ron Paul, but I would vote for him this time around over the others, including Obama. No one should be surprised by Obama's Republican-lite act.


I don't see Obama loosing this re-election. Lately all of the Presidents have won their second term and managed to fuck things up even more than before. I think the last president to have us headed in the right direction was Regan.
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#59133 - 09/15/11 12:22 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Wicked Satanist]
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 Originally Posted By: Wicked Satanist
I don't see Obama loosing this re-election. Lately all of the Presidents have won their second term and managed to fuck things up even more than before. I think the last president to have us headed in the right direction was Regan.


If the economy is still bad, he'll lose.

"This sucks" trumps "I have a plan."

Besides, the comedy shows are way better when a social conservative is in office
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#59154 - 09/17/11 10:18 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Autodidact]
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The economy WILL still be bad. What Obama will certainly attempt to demonstrate is that the economy would have been worse without his stimulus bills. The question is, will that argument resonate with a voting public so fed up with the economy that they can’t get beyond the idea of “throw the bums out,” even if it simply means replacing one set of bums with another?

This happens almost every election cycle. The public is “angry as hell” with “politics as usual” and is determined to “clean house.” So they take out the republicans and toss in the democrats or vice-versa, are disillusioned with the results and “clean house” once again. What the public fails to realize is that the politicians are a reflection of the central dilemma the public can’t seem to come to grips with: They want the stuff (roads, schools, social safety nets, etc.), but they don’t want to pay for it.

Democrats promise the stuff, republicans promise paying less and less for it. So voters keep moving politicians in and out, giving the impression that America is making some kind of progress when in reality it is stagnating. I guess this is why I tend to view politics quaintly, from a distance. For all the shouting and chest thumping and house cleaning, it’s doomed to remain politics as usual as long as voters are running the show.
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#59162 - 09/17/11 02:05 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: William Wright]
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Lest anyone misunderstand me, I think America's democratic form of government is among the best, if not the very best, in the world. I certainly wouldn't prefer dictators to be running the show. My point was simply that the biggest flaw of any democratic government is that it is limited to the intelligence, or lack thereof, of the voting majority. As has been stated before, we get the government we deserve.
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#59164 - 09/17/11 02:14 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: William Wright]
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As far as I know it is corporations that run the USA so I can at least think of a couple of "better" forms of government.

Change the parameters to a fixed sum each candidate receives, and is limited to, to fund his election and you'll get a whole different game.

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#59171 - 09/17/11 04:15 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: William Wright]
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 Originally Posted By: William Wright
My point was simply that the biggest flaw of any democratic government is that it is limited to the intelligence, or lack thereof, of the voting majority. As has been stated before, we get the government we deserve.


An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur?

I might make that my sig for all of next year
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#59196 - 09/18/11 05:26 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Meph9]
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O.K., since Zach isn't running this time, why should we be satisfied with the lesser of two evils again - Let's go for the greatest one.
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#59233 - 09/19/11 11:06 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Cthulhu 2012!

No more years!
No more years!
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#59936 - 10/11/11 02:36 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Wicked Satanist]
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I would keep a close on the outcome of the Wall Street protests that have expanded and continued to go on. From what I have seen they seem to like the idea of obtaining more jobs. Obama would provide that. But also will making the national debt to increase even more and probably cause more inflation through the Federal Reserve's production of more money (which mean less value on the dollar). But from what I have seen, the protesters haven't acknowledged this side. They just want more jobs, for the economy to get better, and have more concern for people over money, while not having too much political knowledge on their hands as an advantage. If their message becomes nation wide, and held by the majority ignorant, than I personally think that Obama's chance of getting reelected just increased dramatically.

Furthermore, let's say a Republican wins the elections. Let's say that they keep their promises. Cut taxes, cut government spending and balance the budget, let the economy get fixed by the promotion of businesses through cutting taxes, etc. How fast will relief come? While a Republican might be able to decrease the debt and help the economy more, a Democrat would bring relief to people faster. Would protests not increase then?

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#59972 - 10/11/11 08:48 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Deluded Reality]
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Several comments on this.

 Originally Posted By: Deluded Reality
I would keep a close on the outcome of the Wall Street protests that have expanded and continued to go on. From what I have seen they seem to like the idea of obtaining more jobs.


Yeah, and I would like a pink pony. But so far they are not doing anything, they're just protesting. If that doesn't change, there won't be an "outcome".

 Originally Posted By: Deluded Reality
But also will making the national debt to increase even more and probably cause more inflation through the Federal Reserve's production of more money (which mean less value on the dollar).


Odd, I haven't seen any inflation yet ... we've "printed" lots more money, and no runaway inflation. See here for a quick explanation.

 Originally Posted By: Deluded Reality
Furthermore, let's say a Republican wins the elections. Let's say that they keep their promises. Cut taxes, cut government spending and balance the budget, let the economy get fixed by the promotion of businesses through cutting taxes, etc. How fast will relief come? While a Republican might be able to decrease the debt and help the economy more, a Democrat would bring relief to people faster. Would protests not increase then?


Taxes are already low, corporate profits are high ... I don't understand the logic that more tax cuts "promotes business".

Imagine you own a small business. You employ 10 people, you make and sell 10 widgets every month. Economy crashes, now you only sell 5. You lay off 5 people, because you can't afford to pay them. The gov't cuts your taxes. But you can still only sell 5 widgets. Why would you hire anybody?

From a larger point of view: people who think the economy "fixes" itself are morons. What people like Alan Greenspan do is to conflate general economic expansion with general social well-being. The problem is that the nice, comfortable lifestyle enjoyed by most Americans in the last few decades of the twentieth century is not the definitive outcome of economics.

The economy did fix itself - by sending jobs overseas, un-employing millions, by tanking real estate. Oh, wait, that's not really what you meant by "fix", is it?

From an even larger point of view: since economics ignores morality, stability, and national borders, then if the desire is to mitigate the effects of externalities, the system must be regulated. How much, rather than if, should be the focus for debate.

The truth of this last bit should be obvious to any Satanist - might makes right. Ponder this analogy: We want a fairer and more equitable society, and because most people are generally peaceful and respectful, we should do away with laws and policemen, because people will usually do the right thing. Would that generate the desired result, or some other result?
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#60088 - 10/16/11 04:10 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Deluded Reality]
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 Originally Posted By: Deluded Reality
I would keep a close on the outcome of the Wall Street protests that have expanded and continued to go on.

Indeed. And we got "Occupy Frankfurt" now \:D
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#60094 - 10/16/11 07:14 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Liane]
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Nothing is going to come of it. Most of them are unemployed weekend warriors who, when push comes to shove, would rather slink away from the insurmountable amount of work that needs to be done to right our economies.

They're no different than the Tea Baggers, with an equally less-than-solid grasp of the current state of affairs and too much time spent listening to rhetoric and forwarding chain emails. If I wanted to feel special I suppose I also could don a Guy Fawkes mask and hold up a posterboard with a catchy, hypocritical slogan on it.

Because there's no better way to protest capitalism than with an iPhone in your pocket and a venti soy latte from Starbucks in your hand.
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#60166 - 10/17/11 11:25 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Nemesis]
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Because there's no better way to protest capitalism than with an iPhone in your pocket and a venti soy latte from Starbucks in your hand.


The cheap stereotyping of activists aside, there is definitely more visible momentum behind the Occupy movement than anything else on the table today.

Unlike the teabaggers, the "occupiers" have inspired sister movements across the West, from major American cities to London to Rome. (The latter of which, ended up erupting into riots).

The protests are definitely going to lead to something, although not what everyone expects. (I, ever the pessimist, suspect a brief flare of escalating violent rhetoric capped by political demagoguery, followed by an oligarchical backlash.)
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#60179 - 10/18/11 07:54 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: The Zebu]
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Most of them are protesting their own poor financial decisions. "Why am I stuck with $20,000 in college tuition loans?" Apologies if I find it difficult to feel any sympathy for whiners.

What will lawmakers have to do to appease this rabble? Slit their wrists on live tv? Sacrifice a goat? Say "I'm sorry"? When millions of people are frustrated and angry because they lived well beyond their means and have had that taken away from them, hopping onto the bandwagon of popular dissent is the perfect outlet for their pent-up emotions. Even if their anger would be better directed at themselves for having 3 Lexus' in the driveway of a $450,000 home in the burbs when they only made $20/hr. Boo hoo.

The main difference between OWS and the tea baggers is the age demographic of the protesters.

Very little will come of this. Winter is coming and most people will not have the fortitude to camp out in the cold day in and day out. Unless they're already homeless and have become acclimated to the weather.
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#60191 - 10/18/11 02:06 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
What will lawmakers have to do to appease this rabble?


Nothing. OWS is not actually doing anything. Why should politicians pay attention to them?


 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Very little will come of this.


Agreed. I've been talking to my significant other about this, and we both agree that talk is cheap. Maybe they'll develop into something, but thus far it's been a month, and so far there's not even a coherent point beyond "this sucks".
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#60192 - 10/18/11 02:12 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Autodidact]
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Agreed. I've been talking to my significant other about this, and we both agree that talk is cheap. Maybe they'll develop into something, but thus far it's been a month, and so far there's not even a coherent point beyond "this sucks".

Also, if anything DOES come of this mess, it will be so bastardized and far from the original movement (which is thus far undefined) that it will be unrecognizable and effectively useless.
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#60195 - 10/18/11 04:51 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis

Also, if anything DOES come of this mess, it will be so bastardized and far from the original movement (which is thus far undefined) that it will be unrecognizable and effectively useless.



A whole lot of people with a lot of pent up anger and hope and energy, a global recognition, money starting to come in, and no purpose yet ... it'll get perverted like a young Midwest girl going to Hollywood to fulfill her dream in the film industry.

It'll be beautiful to watch.
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#60196 - 10/18/11 05:05 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Autodidact]
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I suspect it will end up something like the peacenik counterculture movements of the 60s, where the overwhelming majority of younger participants will get bored of the protesting after a few years and simply settle into mainstream life, looking fondly back thinking, "Remember years ago when we were kids and we thought we could actually help create positive change? Boy, were we stupid... but at least we had some cool drum circles."
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#60281 - 10/20/11 08:53 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Autodidact]
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 Originally Posted By: Autodidact
it'll get perverted like a young Midwest girl going to Hollywood to fulfill her dream in the film industry.


One can only hope. I'll be going downtown tomorrow in search of that young girl to corrupt. \:\)
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#62750 - 12/19/11 05:22 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Nemesis]
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Most of them are protesting their own poor financial decisions. "Why am I stuck with $20,000 in college tuition loans?" Apologies if I find it difficult to feel any sympathy for whiners.


It is nearly impossible for a middle class family to pay for college without going into massive debt. So since our k-12 public school system our kids are not leaving school prepared thus they must go earn a degree just to survive. When the economy dips and people buy important things like education on credit it just snowballs out of control.

Millions of people are frustrated because they have always played by the rules and done what they were told yet they still are being hit by various mistakes of others. Society has taught them all their lives that your life must be, this, this and this otherwise you'll die poor and lonely. So after getting a loan to go to college to earn a degree and graduate to a market where none of those things matter

where are getting this idea that the protesters are wealthy or affulent? Sounds like they'd love to earn twenty dollars an hour...

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#62774 - 12/20/11 10:04 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Meph9]
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 Originally Posted By: Meph9
It is nearly impossible for a middle class family to pay for college without going into massive debt.

This sentence is almost right, but not quite. It should begin with “without guidance.”

My middle school-aged daughter is growing up in a middle class family, but I am confident that she will graduate from college with little or no debt. Why? Because I’m looking after her. She gets to benefit from the lessons I learned (the hard way) about student loans. She sees me go to my second job to pay down my loan, and she understands that I have her best interest at heart when I encourage her (and help her) to do her best at school. She knows I’ll be there for her every step of the way, seeking guidance from others when my own guidance is insufficient, and advising her to get a student loan only as an absolute last resort.

There very well may be more that the government can do to make college more affordable for middle class families, but I think it’s naïve to rely on the government for much of anything. When it comes down to student loans, if you’ve got them then pay them down as quickly as you can, and if you don’t have them then know what the hell you’re getting yourself into before you even think about signing your name on the dotted line. Let the buyer beware – it’s as important a lesson as any that you’ll learn in a classroom.
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#62776 - 12/20/11 10:40 PM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: William Wright]
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Do you ever wonder if that degree was worth it?

I mean you're 40 something, working two jobs and still paying student debt. If you had dropped out at 16 or 18 and started to work somewhere, would it have made any difference? Besides years of filling another's pockets?

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#62777 - 12/21/11 12:17 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Diavolo]
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Oh, absolutely. I think about it a lot – times I wished to god I could just give back that fancy shmancy degree and get a refund. But of course, I can’t. That brings up another point: The degree needs to translate into a career that is well paying and in demand. I remember my grandfather referring to a college degree as a meal ticket; all you need is that piece of paper and you’re good to go. Well, times have changed. People aren’t impressed with college degrees anymore. What they want to know is, “What can you do? How can you make me money?”

I wandered into college because I didn’t know what else to do. It was stupid, and all I can do now is move forward. I expect to have my loan paid off in a few more years, and then it will be just a bad memory. I wouldn’t advise anyone, including my daughter, on going to college unless they had a career path that required it. College isn’t for everyone, and it’s not a decision to be taken lightly.
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#62778 - 12/21/11 02:11 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: William Wright]
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It's a bit of a silly game that is being played there. First you need to invest a load of money in a degree. Then most spend years paying back that money and halfway their life, have to switch careers which often involves getting another degree. If you then consider the fact they prefer all to work longer and longer, the last decade of their working life, they face the same problem they have halfway.

No matter what degree you get, within twenty years everything changed that much, many are simply worthless.

There's only one group I see laughing and that's the banks.

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#62811 - 12/22/11 02:09 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: Diavolo]
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A silly game indeed. Complicating matters is the fact that although college degrees typically mean less to employers now than they did in my parents’ generation, many employers (especially large companies) will not give job seekers without a degree a second look. Why? Because they’re being hit with such a massive amount of resumes that they need a quick method of whittling down the pile to a manageable number. So while having a degree by no means guarantees you a job, not having one could mean getting shot down right out of the gate.
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#62823 - 12/22/11 06:15 AM Re: 2012 GOP [Re: William Wright]
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Loc: High Peak, UK
The University & degree system in the UK is a sham, stemming from a Government dictat that 50% of all children should go to University; easy way to make the dictat fact was to change the non-university aligned urban colleges (traditionally in the UK for the not so bright) into universities. Same buildings, same teachers, same kids...just a different name. The end result of which is a generation given false aspirations because they have a degree, thinking they are highly educated when in fact the extent of their education is the ability to pass exams & get a degree.
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