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#59738 - 10/03/11 09:29 PM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: The Zebu]
Octavian Offline
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If a Satanist rebels against the status quo or something else then what do they expect to get? Is it like: ‘well I am a Satanist, so I will just rebel against whatever because that’s what I am supposed to do because I am a Satanist.’
I know some people who talked a lot about revolution and how they were all about breaking or changing the system. They blew their chance. They didn’t obtain any significant control of anything because nobody in power trusted them with anything of value, or else they were too disorganised and lacking in popular support, resources and courage to actually do anything significant. Revolutionary talk is usually just talk.
And meanwhile in another part of town, those who run the world continue to run the world. These people live in palatial homes, are super rich, own vast amounts of property, fuck the beautiful. They influence government policy by bankrolling parties and supporting candidates, they profit from empire by getting the armed forces deployed so the way can be cleared for their interests to be furthered or else they finance and provide the products which empire needs to operate, they control opinion by ownership of the media…
But anyway to each their own. I may be not as adversarial as some, but I get along okay.

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#59739 - 10/03/11 11:22 PM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Octavian]
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Its sort of like the comparison between people that grew up hood and wiggers that dress and act a certain way because they think its cool. Some rep the devil, some just like the image.
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#59742 - 10/04/11 02:42 AM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Dan_Dread]
Octavian Offline
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Yes, but don't you want to exercise a huge amount of power? Maybe you already do, in which case I say more of it to you.
I am a selfish and ambitious thing and I want control, pleasure and property. I have read your posts and you walk your path with authority and confidence. Are you sure that you can make revolution work? Wouldn't you just rather aim to take as much power as you can? I would like to hear your revolutionary plans if you would be willing to bring them up here. I have heard a few plans over the years, but nobody I know could make it work.

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#59745 - 10/04/11 08:16 AM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Octavian]
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I'm no revolutionary, my path is my own. I just recognize the system of slavery in which we all exist for what it is, and spit in its face....metaphorically speaking. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy the same luxuries as any other, I just don't see them as any sort of end goal. To resist is the greatest luxury.
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#59752 - 10/04/11 10:07 AM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Octavian]
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Yes, but don't you want to exercise a huge amount of power?

Don't be up with power that much. Those who tend to have a huge amount of power also tend to be the birds with the strongest locks on their cage.

It is commonly misinterpretated by most people who walk the LHP when talking about power. You are not the best Satanist with prestigious titles or leading functions or the one who has gotten the most visited website concerning Satanism or..., the best ones are those who know how handle themselves instead of trying to handle others.
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#59760 - 10/04/11 03:46 PM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Octavian]
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 Originally Posted By: Octavian
I would like to hear your revolutionary plans if you would be willing to bring them up here. I have heard a few plans over the years, but nobody I know could make it work.


Dan's pretty much got his head on. Revolutions of the masses seldom last and seldom achieve anything but a restructuring of the status quo in favor of whatever new power elitist finds his ass in the driver's seat. The most successful and lasting of all revolutions are the "revolutions of ONE."
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#59761 - 10/04/11 04:15 PM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Jake999]
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I have seen some revolutions (on other side of iron curtain). I'm from Latvia and now I see some sparks in south countries of EU and Lybia etc. I don't take part in them - I think - revolutions are not for individualists. Revolutions are for herd... Herd get new masters and are in slave position again, again and again.
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#59783 - 10/05/11 04:05 AM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Latvian]
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Change through open rebellion can only occur with massive forces behind it and will inevitably result in blood shed on a massive level which will make it harder on the rebels due to them becoming a negative figure. No revolution in the modern wold in a country such as ours requires a more covert resistance and biding time for the correct pieces to falling into place. But all in all a revolution will only succeeding in the short term for the same type of people will find control again the only solution is to split empires and eliminate positions where a singular person can grain more and more power (i.e. presidents has basically indoctrinated himself the supreme body of government with recent executive orders)these people will continue to appear with out major limitations on them. I apologize for any grammatical errors I've committed. sorry I'm new

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#59785 - 10/05/11 05:25 AM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Jake999]
Octavian Offline
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"revolutions of ONE" that's one of the best things I have read here. Thanks for that. I appreciate Dan's comments as well as they make sense to me.
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#59827 - 10/07/11 05:22 PM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Dan_Dread]
Ashley Corinne Offline
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I'm sorry it took me so long to respond, I had other things to do. The point I'm trying to make is that a rational Satanist wouldn't participate in any sort of demonstration or riot that would compromise his goals and standards. The cycle of revolution, peace, and strife is unending, so the rational thing to do is to find your place in that cycle in regards to your situation, your capability, and your desires. Consider the Occupy Wall Street movement - the individual Satanist has to contemplate the movement as it exists relative to his desires and goals and wonder if marching with the hippies is conducive to his will. If it is, then go ahead and march - in a smart way.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's easy to get swept up in social movements and later find yourself a place you didn't want to be. If opposing tyranny and oppression fits your will, then do it in the most intelligent way possible. But you always have to be mindful of the terrain that surrounds you lest you fall into a hole.
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#59828 - 10/07/11 05:37 PM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Ashley Corinne]
Ashley Corinne Offline
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To Diavolo and The Zebu:

I over-generalized Satanism. Guilty.
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#59831 - 10/07/11 06:47 PM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Ashley Corinne]
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Ashley, for me it boils down to something quite simple. If Satanism can mean anything, it means nothing. Satan is the opposer, the adversary, the one that was not afraid to go against the grain, even if the odds were impossible. This is of course no call to martyrdom, but an expression of personal honour, as well as a matter of etymology. From where I stand if you aren't actually DOING Satanism, ie transgressing limitations both self imposed and placed before you, If you aren't driven to not only reject arbitrary authority but go one step further, the word Satanist ceases to mean much. Talking about Satanism and doing it are completely different things.

As an aside, I do of course understand that the modern 'LaVeyan' definition of what it is to be a Satanist is quite different but if you think about it, what was LaVey himself actually DOING? He actually MOVED against the system. He was a seriously antinomian motherfucker. Much like the way the liberal hippy jesus of the bible would probably be re-crucified by conservative christians post haste, people that think for themselves and colour outside the lines in the fashion of LaVey are generally ousted from the gilmorian CoS.
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#59832 - 10/07/11 10:52 PM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: ]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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"The peasants are revolting!" Well, of course.

Revolution has been in fashion particularly since the 18th Century; before that people really did believe in God, and it was supposed that he had anointed the various monarchies. Hence it would not only be in bad taste to overthrow them, but probably damning [literally] as well. Unless of course you could get the church behind you, or like Henry VIII create a fresh one to back you up.

The problem with revolutions is that, once you've torn everything down, you have to replace them, supposedly with something better. This can easily go wrong, as with the French Revolution. The American Revolution is arguably still a work in progress two centuries later.

Of course some revolutionaries don't bother with the work & hassle of replacement. They just like the idea of busting things up. The champ here was Sergey Nechayev, who lit as much of a fire under Lenin's ass as Marx.
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#59834 - 10/08/11 12:57 AM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I have mixed feelings about the prospects of revolutionary activity. While it's always tempting to lash out against the tyranny of the existing order, the outcome almost always results in an equally oppressive (if not more) regime.

The revolution in Iran, for instance, saw the overthrow of a corrupt puppet government, that was replaced by a fanatical theocracy. Were the US thrown into political chaos, I have a slight suspicion that some Dominionist group might seize power and turn the nation into a neo-puritan nightmare.

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Of course some revolutionaries don't bother with the work & hassle of replacement. They just like the idea of busting things up.


I've always had a liking for post-revolution insurrectionists. Even before the dust cleared in Russia, Lenin's Bolshevik regime was already brutally suppressing rival socialist factions and sowing the seeds of soviet totalitarianism, leading up to my bizarre crush on Fanya Kaplan... (there's just something incredibly sexy about trying to assassinate Lenin for his betrayal of the revolutionary spirit.)

Guess I am just a young and naive idealist...


Edited by The Zebu (10/08/11 12:58 AM)
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#59835 - 10/08/11 02:24 AM Re: The State and Revolution [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
I have mixed feelings about the prospects of revolutionary activity. While it's always tempting to lash out against the tyranny of the existing order, the outcome almost always results in an equally oppressive (if not more) regime...
I agree 100% with You. One example from my country (we were part of SU). Communists and socialists were not satisfied with czar regime and made famous October (red) revolution and then created Soviet Union, which was promised like a paradise for workers, inteligence etc…, but it became extreme oppressive with death camps, fear ideology, propagandas…, much more oppressive as previous...

I don't follow revolution leaders, because after revolution - they become similar or worse...
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