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#57235 - 07/20/11 08:53 PM Is Militant Islam Satanic?
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I’ve heard many Christian fundamentalists say things like "Islam is of the devil", and when I look at it with more Satanically aware eyes, I’m starting to see their point. The Muslim militants, with their black flags and clothes, apocalyptic rhetoric, beheadings, terrorism, etc. do seem to have a very dark, Satanic current behind them. Their aggressive, Nazi-like energy is the opposite of Judeo-Christian goodness and light and cheek-turning, which I actually find somewhat refreshing compared to the pathetic ideology of our modern Western leaders. So is radical Islam a Satanic manifestation, or am I misreading Islam and/or Satanism?

Edited by Sean the Mystic (07/20/11 09:30 PM)
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#57240 - 07/20/11 10:33 PM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Sean the Mystic]
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Satanism advocates placing the individual at the centre of his or her own unique universe.

He or she therefore becomes the first and final source for ultimately determining whether he or she will do this and not do that; and for determining what is right and wrong or what is good and evil.

If you cut the head off God, then you only really have one choice left: you must assume this Godhood yourself, along with its right to determine and the responsibility and the consequences it entails.

If you are a Muslim then you are effectively saying that there is a theist based metaphysical reality outside of me which I subscribe to.

This reality has a set of rules which I also follow.

In the case of Islam, some people are prepared to die for this outside reality and its set of rules - not Satanic at all.


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#57241 - 07/20/11 11:20 PM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Sean the Mystic]
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Those who do not learn form history are doomed to repeat it.

"The Muslim militants, with their black flags and clothes, apocalyptic rhetoric, beheadings, terrorism, etc. do seem to have a very dark, Satanic current behind them.....Their aggressive, Nazi-like energy is the opposite of Judeo-Christian goodness and light and cheek-turning, which I actually find somewhat refreshing compared to the pathetic ideology of our modern Western leaders"

Same stuff different century with the catholic church during the Crusades, inquisition, and the witch burnings.

They are still working with feverant aggression to hide clean up the child abuse mess that certain priests have carried on for years.

I don't think the catholic or xitan church was ever really about goodnees and light. It was and still is about power, control, and money.

Fundamentalists of any ilk tend to call their supposed opposite or enemies "Satan or The Devil" By scapegoating other groups of people it shift the blame and attention from themselves into a supposed smaller weaker group. It also works to rally a group around a common controllable enemy.

Aww, padawan, you still have so much to read...

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#57243 - 07/21/11 12:25 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Morgan]
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I guess I think of Satanism as the opposite of the Christian *ideal* as described by Jesus, not as practiced by the church. Your version seems to be mostly a form of individualism and hedonism. To me this is "Rock and Roll Satanism" or "Satanism Lite." I think of Satanism as embodying everything that is dark, forbidden and frightening, and I find nothing darker and more frightening than collective evil. One person can be very diabolical, but millions of people acting in unison to commit evil acts is Satanic on a whole different level.
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#57245 - 07/21/11 12:33 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Sean the Mystic]
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The following words affirm value, regarding life affirming ideals, and in no way is there a design to even residually represent Islam or Satanism in relation to one another or otherwise; these words are merely conjecture with positive aims of honour conferred that is of no design to negatively influence nor to be otherwise influential in subtext with my best efforts to avoid wording that may be twisted and subverted by racists.

I reserve the right for free speech and oppose all violence towards women of all races, creeds and religions. I oppose indiscriminately, misogyny and child abuse, all connotations with Islam or Satanism notwithstanding.

Christian fundamentalists would murmur utterances like "Islam is of the Devil" simply because the noble and strong will be regarded as such by slave moralists. A version of Islam is influenced by slave morality imposed by the western paradigm, but the apparent Philistine aesthetic of beige brown is more about Judeo-Christian lack of ideology and philosophy. Islamic black uniform is something that the west regards as evil due to selecting despicable acts to represent what is otherwise a noble majority of Islam. I'm not Muslim and therefore cannot speak for Muslims nor against. I just have a thing for cultural aesthetic, ideology and philosophy, and so confer value to what I can see past media representation, by thinking for myself.

Organised religion can be a group expression of the will to power (WtP). Whether this is direct in the case of radical Islam or disguised a la Judeo-Christanity is not important, what is important, is to recognise that the east is not playing games of moral blackmail.

Islam is Islam and nothing else. Terrorism is terrorism and nothing else. Imams and mosques do their best to work against crime, which is prohibited in Islam. Saying Islam is Satanic is an ambiguous and most unclear assertion that may imposition confusion and negativity; Satanism is radical individualism that can vary vastly in ideology and philosophy, for better or worse, disordered on a mass scale with no formalised doctrine as to what is noble; this being decided by the individual whom can never stand as exemplary of a group as Satanism, itself, is radical individualism. Personally, I feel the liberal attitude of 60's Satanism to be inadequate as substitute for Nietzschean ideas and classical Indo-European values. Anyone who inexplicably feels what is behind Indo-European values knows what honour means.

We have respectable and private Muslim folk whom go about their daily lives with respect to their families and community as would any respectable person who has noble ideology and philosophy, for instance, such as Asatru, Wotan.

The unpleasant reality is that the highest values devalue themselves; with the west abounds with alcohol and drug fuelled behaviour; casual, masturbatory sex with intoxicated women whom line up in bars to offer their services to all and every shambles of a man. An indelible ignominy on fatherlands and heritage.

Muslims are not Judeo-Christians or Satanists. Considering that "racist neo-Nazism" is a slag corruption of racialist National Socialism now carrying many negative connotations and negative followers in its "modernised" form, the most powerful ideological movement is undoubtedly Islam. Regardless if anyone in the west likes it or not. The disguised form of WtP called Judeo-Christian morality only serves to present the west as cowardly, dishonourable and ignoble to militant Muslims who abide by honour and warrior ethos.

Satanist ought to respect and uphold warrior code and respectable dialogue; for those drawn into conflicts are husbands, fathers on all sides. Considering that I'm not a Judeo-Christian or illiterate Atheist, I hold cold wrath to both the west and the east in equal measure of indifference; for religious fuelled conflict draws mindful civilians, womenfolk, and even children into affray.

Basically I can't stand dishonourableness; backbiting politicians, whereas we ought to value man to man conflict resolution through heartfelt dialogue, asserting values and recognising those values in other cultures, rather than naysaying insecurity. This would path the way of respect and value for separate cultures.

As not to posit that either the west or east is superior, we are all individuals to be judged by our deeds exemplary of nobility. I simply remain disinterested in black and white mentality, instead regarding personal strength and honour to be all pervasive over anything that would be a substitution.

Only the will to power causes everything to do what it does, there is no need to formalise things beyond recognising its outward manifestations, and right now, Islam is mobilised much more efficiently than rag tag groups of racists lacking ideology and philosophy as to their own roots.

The west is composed of illiterate, immoral, drinking and drug taking wasters and the other half is composed of Judeo-Christian cowards. There is no honour to be found in this place, the Judeo-Christian conspiracy continues to morally dehumanise the indigenous European heritage by impositioning its negative shadow projections of its Judeo-Christianity, racism, black and white thinking, etc.

As National Socialism is littered with negative connotations, due to whatsoever formalisation we could summarise; regardless, from my angle, I can't see Asatru being more than a residually influential ideological and philosophical life motivation in the west. This is unfortunate. Nor can I see any residual evidence that there are godless heathen willing to mobilise noble Vikingr, patriarchal / matriarchal classical indo-European, or otherwise respectable multiracial communities.

On the positive side, what we do have is uprising Muslim men whom take pride in their heritage after opening their eyes to the subterranean tyranny of the Judeo-Christian menace.

Considering we as humans have the power of speech to assert our strength of values, there is no excuse for naysaying and negative attitude or being blind to what is positive in other cultures.

A noble display of power gains respect, character gains respect, and so equilibrium is achieved. We can observe this in the animal kingdom with wolves baring teeth creating a natural aristocracy, males working together toward the same goals, tribes are separate and yet no deliberate act of intrusion on territory is made, so conflict of their own kind is only by mistake.

But unfortunately, in western society, for the most part, we can observe what is more like a shambling pecking order of cowardly chickens pecking at each others backs; the noble knows that nothing is so dishonourable as a much to vulgar a display of power, and if you cannot feel what is behind this, then you are not of my kind.
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#57247 - 07/21/11 01:25 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Hegesias]
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So if I understand you correctly, you’re suggesting that people who dislike the modern West for the reasons you describe should unite under the banner of Islam, because it’s the only force powerful enough to prevent the world from turning into a degenerate, nihilistic consumer capitalist dystopia?

I can sympathize with that, but what does it have to do with Satanism? I thought the US was the "Great Satan" precisely because it promotes individualism, hedonism, the overthrow of all traditional values and cultures, etc. Whose side are you on here?


Edited by Sean the Mystic (07/21/11 01:29 AM)
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#57248 - 07/21/11 01:52 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Sean the Mystic]
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I refute that remark.

Please read again and make an effort to provide a thesis that makes sense in regards to what I have written.

If your aim is to imposition negativism to the impenetrable positivity of my views in their precise context then I can provide all the sisyphean frustration in the world by simply redirecting you and others to re read and contemplate that there is no banner to unite under for individualists except to be exemplary of nobility by deeds and only deeds.

There is no banner to unite under except to value what is positive, to express interest and likemindedness of values by seeing past the superficiality of outward appearance.

Communication is the issue. Unfortunately, people refuse to trust in communication and take to arms before attempting to understand people they have never met.

If one cannot make respectable dialogue with others in the streets then you have failed to understand the meaning of my post. it is YOU who confers respect, YOU who makes the effort to communicate with people who are around you regardless of race, creed and religion. Not the ideas imposed as actual reality by politicians.

Fuck Judeo-Christian politicians and fuck the Judeo-Christian media. It's the people in the streets who matter, Whites, Blacks, Asians. There is no divide but selective ignorance imposed by the state who spreads fear about what is only ourselves.

Value other cultures, don't become them or try to naysay them. Be your OWN and be exemplary of your own values. Negativity is not a value, it can only be devalued by asserting positivity. Maybe if people learned to be upfront and learned to actually speak with eachother then we'd not have such an embarrassing planet.

I always shake my head when somebody won't listen to reason, it's a damn shame to put a man down, not something I've ever saw value in doing. Sometimes people won't trust one another's positive intent, we can only show masculinity and dominate such negativity with positivity and motivation towards value. You know, good old male bonding, relaxed manliness, health, appreciation of females, our mothers, our sisters, and theirs.

There's no room for nervous people in such an atmosphere. Who creates such an atmosphere? I don't know, figure it out. It's certainly not politicians.

Satanists may now make fun and posture that I'm some kind of weak man. I've a criminal history of GBH with intent to kill thanks to unavoidable retaliation to drunks, druggies, sociopaths, and other scum of the west. I've never harmed a lady in my life. You see. There is nothing to judge a man by but his deeds. Open your eyes.
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#57250 - 07/21/11 02:25 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Hegesias]
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"I’ve heard many Christian fundamentalists say things like "Islam is of the devil""

Needless to say, Islam and Satanism (especially Laveyan) are diametrically opposed in doctrine. As a matter of fact, Satanism is opposed to most fundamentalist theistic doctrines (Abrahamic doctrines specifically) .

Apparently you've drawn a parallelism to the "demonizing" of something in a Christian society (in the Western Civilization for the most part) to the actual practices or beliefs of the LHP. For example, what is Satanic about the self-sacrifice common to militant Islam?

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#57251 - 07/21/11 02:32 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Sean the Mystic]
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Time for humour. I get this way when I perceive utter absurdity in over complication with what is clearly common sense.

The very fact that humans are the only species to attack their own kind and also don't eat the bodies is absurd and most indicative to other wasteful acts of humanity. I'm not advocating cannibalism because I'm not advocating killing humans in the first place, to me the two must go together.

I'm simply suggesting that the act of war itself is more absurd and inhumane than salting the bodies resulting of war and sending them as food for the third world.

Humanity is fucked through the absurdity of its own intelligence. Animals respect their own kind in a way humans can't seem to grasp.

Sure we eat meat, we are hunter gatherers, we don't hunt nowadays, all that pent up aggression must go some place... so true.
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#57252 - 07/21/11 02:44 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: a. don]
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 Originally Posted By: a. don
"I’ve heard many Christian fundamentalists say things like "Islam is of the devil""

Needless to say, Islam and Satanism (especially Laveyan) are diametrically opposed in doctrine. As a matter of fact, Satanism is opposed to most fundamentalist theistic doctrines (Abrahamic doctrines specifically) .

Apparently you've drawn a parallelism to the "demonizing" of something in a Christian society (in the Western Civilization for the most part) to the actual practices or beliefs of the LHP. For example, what is Satanic about the self-sacrifice common to militant Islam?



We are affirming value. Thank you for your contribution.

When it comes to politics, I'm all about down to earth human communication. Everything else is utterly worthless to me.

We are not suicidal nor does a Muslim have to be, if the west, stop making those men so desperate. It's not me who's prancing all over sacred Sumeria and rattling the cage of Muslim home life, nor is it the idea of soldiers. The Muslim males come here with their families being extremely protective.

Nothing makes me more justified to deal hostility than trouble makers who cause shit for others. The western government calls war and then the civilians get drawn into the afray, Muslims, Whites, I don't give a fuck, we are all just trying to get on with our lives in the shit that sheltered political minds cause.

Guy Fawkes was pissed off in the same way methinks. Better still, if you see a Muslim in the street, speak to him and ask him how his day was, show genuine manners. I hope the evil and dark Satanic image created in your mind will allow such a deed to be done without fear. Or will you follow what media stirs up?
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#57253 - 07/21/11 03:00 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Hegesias]
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First of all, I never made any mention about whether or not the West has done terrible things in the world and that there are reactionary groups to such. I believe the topic is about whether or not Militant Islam, that is, the doctrines of Islam enforced through violence is Satanic. You would probably do good if you made your own post about the abuses of the West, and the reactions to such.

Second, I would like for you to elaborate on the assertion that atheists are illiterate, and therefore you have not chosen to align yourself with such, even though, however, that would be far away from the subject...

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#57254 - 07/21/11 03:01 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Sean the Mystic]
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I agree with Morg here: I think a good deal of reading is in order.

There is of course plenty of good stuff to read here, but I think the point could be made that many of the discussions and debates here are being carried out by very experienced and knowledgeable people with differing, sophisticated and complex viewpoints.

This is not meant to be offensive to you. I am just recommending an intensive study of the bedrock basics, so you can come at this with a more thorough grounding.

I would therefore recommend that you look at or re-look at Dr. LaVey’s published works and go to the Church of Satan website and read everything there, particularly the ‘Theory/Practice’ section and their introductory/welcome messages. I would also read the threads at the ‘Questions about the Church of Satan’ forum at the ‘Letters to the Devil’ website.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/

http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

You may dislike H.P. Peter Gilmore and some other C/S members there, many here do, but I think it would still be valuable for you, as a means of just getting their position down. I still tend to think their position is the basic bedrock position.

On the other hand, I would also recommend reading Dr Michael Aquino’s Church of Satan ebook, which presents a different and very well articulated viewpoint, with an enormous wealth of additional material in the form of its appendices. Many of these appendices are gold from a learning point of view.

http://www.xeper.org/maquino/

You may also want to look at the written works of Mr. Long and what the Order of the Nine Angles are saying as well, as a means of having another viewpoint on this.

http://www.nineangles.info/

I think this study would be well worth it for you, and it would give you two or three basic positions with which to work from.

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#57256 - 07/21/11 03:12 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: a. don]
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 Originally Posted By: a. don
First of all, I never made any mention about whether or not the West has done terrible things in the world and that there are reactionary groups to such. I believe the topic is about whether or not Militant Islam, that is, the doctrines of Islam enforced through violence is Satanic. You would probably do good if you made your own post about the abuses of the West, and the reactions to such.

Second, I would like for you to elaborate on the assertion that atheists are illiterate, and therefore you have not chosen to align yourself with such, even though, however, that would be far away from the subject...



Good points to raise. \:\)

There is no mention of atheists being illiterate as a whole but that I personally am not one. That Atheist persons with ideological and philosophical motivations was discussed in detail as to what is so valuable about this. There is a distinction and the tone of the unpleasant reality about such people lacking in numbers may not be sympathetic to some, but so be it.

If you would care to look further into my view you will see that there is the juxtaposed view of indo-European value existing in the west, and that I can affirm a lacking of its presence.

This is only a positive affirmation as to highlight the cause to concern for giving such values momentum.

Illiterate atheists would be atheists whom have not affirmed what is Judeo-Christian thinking in their own minds, simply regarding themselves as atheists by dismissing the praying aspect of Judeo-Christianity, and therefore, being its controlled opposition. Passive nihilism, drunks, druggies etc. cunts you know, see?

I would take command of this thread by outlining positive value and conferring such left right and centre, it's master morality, if you see value in what I say, then top it, I'll fall in line. The way this thread could go into negativity is not desirable. Considering that Satanists are radical individualists, it would surprise me to see Satanists seeing in black and white being unable to talk to religious people in the street.

All the talk and learning about this and that means nothing to real life communication, its only people in the streets, there isn't anything else. Everyone holds responsibility to do this. What some Satanists mean by individualism is hiding from the world and being cowardly, quite opposite of Nietzsche's teachings.

Negativity cannot assert itself, only attempt to bring down. Positivity is strength and is beyond good and evil, it comes from your own being and ability to be motivated strongly by what we value. I'm no ones enemy here, so write powerful and positive things, we are the Satanists of now.

There is only what YOU can do in real life, what is the point in murmuring about Islam being Satanic or not? There's no such thing in the real world, only people, sorry it's all not glamorous and stimulating for roleplay internet requirements.

Again, I'm nobodies enemy here, I have high values and I'm aggressive to assert what can only bring about positivity, there is no intent to do anything otherwise.

Islam is Islam, terrorism is terrorism. They are not one in the same but for outward appearance. If you are deceived, this is what terrorists do.

The hammer speaks. \:\)
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#57257 - 07/21/11 06:20 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Sean the Mystic]
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No.
Islam, being it militant or not, is Islam and therfor cannot be linked to Satanism or even be Satanic. Their "ways" are linked towards a cause which is at the same side of those Satanism opposes. It does not mean we cannot copy those ways for other causes that can be called Satanic.

On another note; I think you fell for the media circus about Islam. Islam and Christianity both share the same ideas of light and peace etc.. There are a few fundamental differences which you can only get if you know a bit about their cultural history or have resided in a country in the middle-east.
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#57261 - 07/21/11 09:46 AM Re: Is Militant Islam Satanic? [Re: Dimitri]
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Those who mistakenly believe they can use "militant Islam" as a tool to drive the Sinister agenda JUST DON'T GET IT. Any cognizant LHPer should be striving for the neutering of Islam (and all dogmatic systems). Replacing one tyranny with an infinitely worse tyranny is not smart, clever, or even manipulative. It is suicide plain and simple.

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