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#57474 - 07/24/11 12:04 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: Fist]
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I think this is quite interesting.

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An NS or racist/anti Jewish movement was completely out of the question, as they represented much of what I oppose. I came in contact with Serbian cultural conservatives through the internet. This initial contact would eventually result in my contact with several key individuals all over Europe and the forming of the group who would later establish the military order and tribunal, PCCTS, Knights Templar.

I remember they did a complete screening and background check to ensure I was of the desired calibre. Two of them had reservations against inviting me due to my young age but the leader of the group insisted on my candidature. According to one of them, they were considering several hundred individuals throughout Europe for a training course. I met with them for the first time in London and later on two occasions in Balticum. I had the privilege of meeting one of the greatest living war heroes of Europe at the time, a Serbian crusader and war hero who had killed many Muslims in battle. Due to EU persecution for alleged crimes against Muslims he was living at one point in Liberia.

I visited him in Monrovia once, just before the founding session in London, 2002. I was the youngest one there, 23 years old at the time. One of the key founders instructed the rest of the group about several topics related to the goal of the organisation. I believe I scribbled down more than 50 full pages of notes regarding all possible related topics. Much of these notes are forwarded in the book 2083. It was basically a detailed long term plan on how to seize power in Western Europe. I did not fully comprehend at the time how privileged I was to be in the company of some of the most brilliant political and military tacticians of Europe. Some of us were unfamiliar with each other beforehand so I guess we all took a high risk meeting face to face. There were only 5 people in London re-founding the order and tribunal (1 by proxy) but there were around 25-30 attending in Balticum during the two sessions, individuals from all over Europe; Germany, France, Sweden, the UK, Denmark, Balticum, Benelux, Spain, Italy, Greece, Hungary, Austria, Armenia, Lebanon and Russia. Electronic or telephonic communication was completely prohibited, before, during and after the meetings. On our last meeting it was emphasised clearly that we cut off contact indefinitely. Any type of contact with other cells was strictly prohibited.


This was not sessions were regular combat cells were created. It was more like a training course for pioneer cell commanders. We were not instructed to attack specific targets, quite the opposite. We were encouraged to rather use the information distributed to contribute to build and expand the so called ”cultural conservative anti-Jihad movement, either through spreading propaganda, provide funding for the creation of new groups through various forums or by recruiting other people directly. All individuals attending the sessions learned about PCCTS, the Knights Templar but they were not specifically instructed to represent that particular order and tribunal. Everyone was encouraged but at the end, it was their own decision how they decided to manifest their resistance. A special emphasis was put on the long term nature of the struggle (50-100 years).

Our task was to contribute to a long term approach and not to act prematurely. If there was a large scale attack the next 10 years it was said, we should avoid any immediate follow up attacks as it would negate the shock effect of the subsequent attacks. A large successful attack every 5-12 years was optimal depending on available forces.

This was not a stereotypical “right wing” meeting full of underprivileged racist skinheads with a short temper, but quite the opposite. Most of them were successful entrepreneurs, business or political leaders, some with families, most of them Christian conservatives but also some agnostics and even atheists. I remember it struck me how impressed I was regarding how they had set up the screening parameters (for accepting new candidates). They obviously wanted resourceful pragmatical individuals who were able to keep information away from their loved ones and who were not in any way flagged by their governments. Every one of them was supportive of a Judeo Christian Europe and did not have any reservations against cooperating with non-European Christians Hindu or Buddhist nationalists. I had or have a relatively close relationship with at least one of them, an Englishman, who became my mentor. He was the one who first described the “perfect knight” and had written the initial fundament for this compendium. I was asked, not only once but twice, by my mentor; let’s call him Richard, to write a second edition of his compendium about the new European Knighthood. As such, I spent several years to create an economic platform which would allow me to study and write a second edition.

And as of now, I have spent more than three years completing this second edition. Perhaps, someone out there will be able to contribute by creating a third edition one day.


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#57475 - 07/24/11 12:20 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: Jason King]
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 Originally Posted By: Jason King
I see no way for an ONA-type Satanist to condemn such an act of barbarism,

You're correct, apparently, as Anton Long (whoever that now is, the original or mark 2) has mentioned the attacks in a recent post about terrorism.

I'll quote from it -
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If some mundanes are culled or injured in some act by us or by someone else we quite simply do nor care in the way mundanes do (or pretend to do) as we do not indulge in the hypocrisy and the lies of the hubriati. Neither are we concerned with propaganda, with ‘political spin’. We are what we are – sinister, satanic: adepts who desire to Presence The Dark. We are what makes us ONA.

Hence, the only question we ask after such acts is do those culled or injured meet the criteria of mundaneness?, and if those culled or injured do, then we judge that act not according to some abstract moralistic criteria, but on whether we as sinister individuals judge it has Presenced The Dark or on whether we, as an individual or as individuals, have acquired or obtained something useful from it – materially, or in terms of, for example, pathei-mathos.

This, of course, is Satanic – although naturally it is a satanism too far, too evil, for the pretentious mundanes who deign, today and in their delusion, to describe themselves as ‘Satanists’.


It's taken from http://antonlong.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/into-the-abyss-morality-terror-and-the-ona/

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#57476 - 07/24/11 12:31 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: nexion17]
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"This, of course, is Satanic – although naturally it is a Satanism too far, too evil, for the pretentious mundanes who deign, today and in their delusion, to describe themselves as ‘Satanists’."

You know what, fuck him.
This reminds me of the fight I had years ago with one of them years ago when whats his face was designing the tarot.

You don't make political points on dead kids.

If you don't have something to stand for, or see that some things are just wrong, then how can you judge if you are doing the "right thing" for the nexus or group or tribe or even for yourself.

Its not a matter of being too evil or too far, its a matter of will it add or hurt the "idea". All he did was hurt his agenda as Fist pointed out.

What he did was beyond wrong.

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#57477 - 07/24/11 12:42 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: Morgan]
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As far as I read this, I don't see him advocating the murder of children.

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A mundane is anyone who is not one of us; anyone who does not belong to our family, our extended family, our kindred, our kollective. In brief – someone who does not live by our Code of Kindred Honour and who thus accepts the laws and the so-called ‘authority’ of nation-States. That is, mundanity does not depend on such social abstractions as ethnicity, wealth, social status, occupation, education, place of birth, nationality, or whatever.

As mentioned above, our law of honour does not apply to adult mundanes of sound body and mind, and thus such human beings are considered fair game, a resource; although should it be necessary – for example in the matter of individual culling – our honour demands that we give them a sporting chance by subjecting them to certain tests in order to verify their mundane character. Thus and importantly, the children of mundanes – those below the age of sixteen or so – are not considered mundanes per se.

That is, we accord such children – until they reach the age of choice, of maturity – a certain respect, which in practical terms means they are exempt from being considered fair game, a resource. This naturally excludes us from involvement with certain activities involving children and also means that individuals of certain proclivities, involving children, are regarded by us as dishonourable individuals who most certainly are not of our kind.

Children and the ONA



D.


Edited by Diavolo (07/24/11 12:44 PM)
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#57478 - 07/24/11 12:44 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
You know what, fuck him.You don't make political points on dead kids.


I think the point Long was making was that for the ONA and like he says in that article there's

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no morality – no judgement about what is right and what is wrong – but our own individual one, with that judgement born... from our own individual pathei-mathos, and the personal unique sinister weltanschauung that we develope from such practical experience, such reflexion, and such pathei-mathos.


It's this that he's saying is Satanic.

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#57479 - 07/24/11 01:24 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: nexion17]
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Seriously, wtf. SO many moral high horses, are we running a stable?

This sort of shit happens all the time. People die all the time. But when it happens in certain geographical regions rather than others, it is somehow more important? It isn't.

Should I be emotionally overwhelmed right now? Weeping for the poor victims? Fuck that. Human life is objectively worthless, why should I care if a bunch of mundanes get wasted?

Maybe it truly is a Satanism too far for most.
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#57480 - 07/24/11 01:27 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
As far as I read this, I don't see him advocating the murder of children.

True and I think it's worth adding that the ONA define children as those below the age of 14, although like it says in the article you quote from -

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There is some flexibility in this age ... with some of our kind regarding it to be sixteen years, others fourteen, and some others eighteen.

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#57481 - 07/24/11 01:31 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: nexion17]
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Again, from the Satanic stand point, we don't target or involve children into ANY of our activities. Children are neutral until the reach the age of emancipation in their culture.

From the NS stand point, 'we' don't target the Volk. Political assassinations are selective and rare. From this POV, yes, a PM or other political leader is a legitimate target - children (even teens) at a summer camp ARE NOT!

The simple fact is you can't explain crazy. Stop trying. Honestly, what group is claiming this guy as one of their own?
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#57482 - 07/24/11 01:54 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: Dan_Dread]
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If caring that kids are killed by madmen makes me somehow less of a Satanist, you can keep your Satanism, Dan. I don't need the approval of you or anyone else to know what I am. Neither do I need a crowd to tell me killing kids is wrong. Whether the horse is high or low, I'll ride around infanticide canyon. Negligent infanticide, as it occurs around warzones worldwide, is a tragedy, but it will go on so long as people field child soldiers or use them as shields. Deaths caused by famine, disease and natural disasters are unavoidable.

This was a low and cowardly act, and carried out against kids. If caring about that is wrong, I don't want to be right.
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#57483 - 07/24/11 02:05 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
Children are neutral until the reach the age of emancipation in their culture.

I'd be interested to know if anyone here knows if any of those killed at the youth camp in Norway were under 14.

Anyone?

If they were all 14 or over - or could reasonably be expected to be that age or over as condition of attending such a camp - then the ONA could claim they're mundanes, according to their criteria.

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#57484 - 07/24/11 02:06 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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People are being killed each day, en mass, and many of them are teenagers or younger. To remain internally consistent here you would seriously need to have the tears flowing 24/7 round the clock. Yet, nobody seems to care unless it happens to specific groups in specific places.

The media tells us what is a tragedy and what isn't, based on very arbitrary criteria.Cry for THESE children, but not these other ones. I would point out the killcount from american bombs and guns in iraq and Afghanistan dwarfs this on a large scale, but I see dissenting opinions are already being met with bans.


If you did in fact know any of these people in person, if any of them directly meant something to YOU, then my deepest condolences. Otherwise this is just a puppet show.
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#57485 - 07/24/11 02:07 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Should I be emotionally overwhelmed right now? Weeping for the poor victims? Fuck that. Human life is objectively worthless, why should I care if a bunch of mundanes get wasted?

I have to agree with you on this part.
But there is another thing called common decency. I have been brought up to show respect at certain moments.

I have noticed there are people like Woland here who don't take this very lightly and I give him credits for it.
Perhaps watching a bit your steps? It's not because I agree with you on this point that I think you should voice that opinion out loud in a place where some will more or less see it as an insult.
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#57487 - 07/24/11 02:19 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: Jason King]
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 Originally Posted By: Jason King
 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
I'm sorry if I can't live up to your stereotype King and that I see no honorable tactic in shooting children.


I never typed you in any such regard, and certainly not with dual speakers (that's a pun of sorts, think about it). To Skaf, immediately prior, I said this: "I do not see how an advocate of ONA "praxis" could hold a view such as ours". If this is a question of hypocrisy or doublespeak, please let me know. I always took you to be the type dude (not unlike myself) who sometimes rejoins with points (solid though they may be) he does not subscribe to personally. My rejoinder was less to you than it was to those outspoken "Niners" who talk all day about the "practical Sinister".

So when I questioned your support (albeit rhetorical, as above) of the ONA paradigm, I was actually questioning the paradigm itself, and any who would throw their hat in that particular corner. I thought I made clear in my first thread post where I stand on this issue. If not, my apologies.

In any case, the points remain. It stands to be demonstrated how an ONA-type can dismiss such an action as unethical, anti-paradigmatic, or whatever.

JK

p.s. read what I write, in its totality, before jumping the gun


Firstly, we are Satanists, nothing media presents has protection from our inquisitions. We on 600 can only analyse (separately or together) the information on this Olso shit and ensue a dialectic of hypothesis elimination that may emerge quite a different realisation to the general public opinion, on matters discussed here on this thread or otherwise.

@ Jason. I always assumed the stance that The Order of Nine Angles is rife with reverse psychology. At least for me it is, and this is how I apply it; cultivation of esoteric, transgressive thought process; at least this is how I've analysed it. Beneath the neologisms and rhetoric would "appear" to be the essence of psychopathy, and although oftentimes seen as related, ONA is against cultivating unhealthy Narcissism, by deconstructing detrimental ideas in the ego belief system, this much is evident. Holding radical views of a target ethos we can use those images against the target ethos. Not misrepresentation or simple inversion, but to use the images and ethos, literally, against itself.

By doing this we more than suggest the inclination to think otherwise.

The Oslo murderer? Maybe he had help, or maybe not. Pressure from within his own government circle? Regardless, the right wing will be wrongly targeted for blame; a Hitler-esque Nazi poster boy for the agenda behind multiculturalism/democracy. I'm not scoring points I'm just predicting the disgusting outcomes.

National Socialist code does not advocate killing youth; such is against its ideology, philosophy; against its code of honour and values which is the core infrastructure of the movement. Facts don't persuade, feelings do, and we all know that what has happened will be used for political malfeasance. However, the fact remains that the Oslo murders were the result of a psychopaths violent impulses, of one person, a person who radicalised himself, and if he had pressure from wherever, he was still a Judeo-Christian fundamentalist, a pro-Zionist, not a National Socialist with Indo-European values, nor a man who can represent anything political except more cause for malfeasance.

Regardless as to whether the despicable conclusion to the events was entirely down to his own influence, we must concede to look deeper into the images presented to us by media than the general public will bother to do. This much is clear. The psychology of dangerous people is never conveyed properly in media, its always delivered as dramatic and focuses on the disastrous conclusions instead of the characteristic signs.

I conjecture that more than collateral damage will be dealt to National Socialist credibility, and so, derogatory accusations abounds for anyone whom stands by indigenous European values. The media will no doubt present the malevolent work of a psychopath to devalue right wing groups which are already full of underprivileged young men, hence, Indo-European values being under devaluation through impositioning blame, through a web of negative connotations. This would serve to a malfeasant process of democracy = multiculturalism of Europe, which means border control issues.

p.s We know, really, that none of us are spiting one another, emotions run high on these matters and genuine friends may be sensitive to perceived slights, it does not mean the other person is insinuating anything, its simply a window of opportunity for us to be aggressive and accuse, to vent. I'm sure that said members are not really with animosity toward one another, but, the Oslo events are more than emotive, causing sensitivity, friction, evidently, even between comrades.

I feel rage without direction instead of compassion, this is not anything I can change; more than usual, of that I am not sure, admittedly, but, we can direct whatever emotion to do what Satanists do, and work together, knowing better than to cast malevolence to our own. I value that others here are with cause against what has caused me rage. We are Satanists and we are discussing something sensitive. Lets not forget who we are in relation to one another and why we come here.

I apologise if my post is a little behind how the thread has moved on, as I started this morning and had to go out, came back in the evening and resumed. I'm still going over the 2083 writings.


Edited by Hegesias (07/24/11 02:41 PM)
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#57488 - 07/24/11 02:20 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I have no intention of banning you. Nor have I personally banned anyone over this.

You say I should cry around the clock because kids die around the world. I shouldn't care because my kids weren't there, or whatever. They were my countrymen and they were kids and didn't deserve to be slaughtered.

I don't want a circlejerk or compassion outbursts. I'm fine. My family are fine. You don't have to cry over the kids who died. You didn't know them. But it happened here. It happened to us, as a country, and it happened in a cowardly, despicable way for which there is no defense.

As for Breivik, I hope he lives to be a hundred. I will do my level best to make sure he suffers every single damn day. Death's too good for people who slaughter kids. I want to keep my kids safe, and believe me, I will make sure of it.
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#57490 - 07/24/11 02:25 PM Re: Oslo 22/7-2011. Never forgive. Never forget. [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Well Skaf, I like you, I respect you, and I can see you are upset over this. I've said my bit and will now excuse myself from this discussion.
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