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#57506 - 07/24/11 09:15 PM The Shortest Path to Power
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As a matter of personal opinion what would members consider the quickest path to power? Power is defined as basically being in control of your universe- money, women (or for some men), influence, social status etc.?

Would it be magick spells, projection, psychological manipulation, hard work- or something else?

My interest is that my entire focus is learning how I can empower myself more and improve myself (and my situation) daily.

Personally I believe that social skills and understanding human psychology play a major role. I'm looking for all angles which can be utilized. I'm most interested in things that don't require a huge commitment, so offer a pretty good return on investment for the amount of time, money etc. needed to put in them. At the same time I recognize results are contingent upon effort.

Obviously each of us has different natural talents and different opportunities to utilize. That's why I would rather just look at different possibilities and invest my energies in what seems most useful to me. i suppose in another thread we could explore an individual topic in greater detail (for example an entire topic on social skills as a means to advancement).
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#57512 - 07/24/11 10:39 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Thule]
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Jeeze aren't you the same guy who in earlier posts said you suck and want people to join up with you so that you all can work to make a better group, yet you bring nothing to the table.

Then you write about how you wrote a book that is selling on lulu and that "we" should put it in the media room. Yet, you admit it is flawed with spelling errors, grammatical errors, fucked up fonts, and etc.

Then you talk about political groups and racism yet have no clue about how you write it and see things.

Now you are looking for an easy way to power over everything.

How about you try having power over yourself, and work to improve yourself, your works, your books, and your understanding of the world.

Right now, I don't know of anyone who would join up with you because you just seem to be clueless on so many different levels in how you present yourself and your ideas.

I think you have a lot of introspection to do.

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#57521 - 07/25/11 02:00 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Morgan]
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There is no short path to power. I mean, you could start with knowledge, say reading Robert Greene, Macchiavelli, Sun Tzu, Nietzche, TSB, etc. But that's no guarantee if you have no will power. Nothing and no one can teach you that.

"Blessed are the Strong for they shall possess the earth — Cursed are the weak for they shall inherit the yoke.

Blessed are the Powerful for they shall be reverenced among men — Cursed are the Feeble for they shall be blotted out.

Blessed are the Bold for they shall be masters of the world — Cursed are the Humble for they shall be trodden under hoofs.

Blessed are the Victorious for victory is the basis of Right — Cursed are the vanquished for they shall be vassals for ever..." -Redbeard

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#57532 - 07/25/11 10:38 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: a. don]
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Ok, Thule, I will actually try to give you some constructive advice. Firstly, read the Books of the LHP thread. I and others have listed some fantastic titles there. Honestly, read them - in the order that they appear. Knowledge is the short path to power.

Now, since you mentioned it specifically - money and woman. Any normal man wants both. However, they often work against each other. This is especially true if you buy into the traditional (Judeo-Christian) notions of money and woman. I am often amazed by otherwise pagan folk, who completely reject Xtianity but are still trapped by J-C memes of power relationships, money and women/sex. Here are two websites that I recommend on the subject:

http://www.leykis101.com/

http://www.nomarriage.com/
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#57551 - 07/25/11 02:38 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Fist]
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Yes it’s all about will power and determination. “winners never quit”

I have already read many of those books. I disagree with Might is Right and find only a small tid bit of information in the satanic books. The 48 laws of power is the best one and I like that. But I want to keep going and learning more. As I do I can sort through which techniques are most useful for my personality and given situation. Also though given my financial state I can’t afford to keep buying so many books. They add up to a lot of money really quick. I can read a book cover to cover in one day! Then usually I go back later and read it again!

Yes I believe in the private forum I had with my partern we discussed a bit about how marriage is bad. Yet let’s say a rock star or a person who is in a criminal gang usually gains a lot of women with no strings attached. There are certain personality types etc. which are far more attractive to women. As I’ve discovered the best way to deal with humans is to throw logic out the window and understand human psychology. Then suddenly they are begging for you. You have to understand what makes people tick so to speak.

By the way in another thread- I have watched the videos “Triumph of the Will” I have not seen any black magick there but defiantly psychological techniques of a good speaker.

Let me begin with some of what I have discovered so far. This book is a great tool:

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Some-People-...11618063&sr=8-3

It actually confirms the exact same conclusions I have come to after many years of life in the “real world”. For example I was always told to work hard to get ahead and I worked harder than everybody else and never got ahead. I realized that social skills really mattered more than competence, work ethic, intelligence etc.

Next I realized that it was a waste of time to try to reason with the majority of people. They seemed to be highly irrational. I started writing down these common themes of irrationality. Lo and behold I discovered that there are psychological names for these behaviors and they are well documented.

Some examples: “self defeating behavior” this is where people personally sabotage their own success because they are afraid of failure. They would rather not try, or have an excuse of failing instead of actually doing their best. Oddly most people do this and it is confirmed through psychological studies conducted by researches. There are also many others. Most of them are mentioned in the above book!!

“Perfect world bias” and “victim blaming” I have had a hard life and when people use and abuse me others often think less of me like its “my fault” etc. I would try to point out facts, logic, etc. but they seldom respond. By understanding these basic animal like mechanism that go on in most people’s minds I’m able to better deal with them, and most important of all- not waste my time trying to argue with irrational people.

As strange as it seems 99.9% of people are irrational to some extent or another. I was always at a disadvantage in life because for whatever reason I tend to be logical. Think about it. This is why Christianity works. It’s all about psychological techniques. Almost everybody in society was Christian at one time. There is nothing rational or logical. Most Christians never read the bible. Most people in the United States are not functionally literate (yes I had studies on this as well) whereas I’m consuming books like they are candy. So I guess it just takes a rare personality type to think like me. But by understanding human nature I can suddenly drop a lot of the dead weight which was holding me back in life.

So through a simple understanding of human psychology and social dynamics suddenly I can spring ahead in this world far above people who are more competent and working harder than me! Though in my experience most people are less competent than me, but in the least I can spring ahead of those less competent people who have socially dominated me! Which this is what I observed anyway- the lazy incompetent people who play golf with the boss and smoke weed with him tend to be the ones that get ahead rather than hard workers and such. But also those who are rude, self promoting etc. Basically sh*t rises.

From here I have been exploring optimal health techniques and strategies with someone else interested in the same thing and we have compiled a lot of resources on how to be *successful*. I want to further refine my knowledge with every trick of the trade I can possibly find.

I want to reach my full potential in other words. I just really got sick of being poor and powerless so I have dedicated myself to doing something about it. Yes it will take many years for the results of my work to manifest.

About my group:

What I bring to the table- A college degree, opportunities to MAKE A LOT OF MONEY through real estate deals I can help people with and a lot of other things (including gather the best information on success).

About the book- I simply thought people could read it and if interested join. I bought a few books full of errors as well and found great use for them. The point is people will always look for something to complain about if they are in a loser mentality. I am looking for solutions not to whine about how bad the world is or how something wasn’t handed to me on a silver platter, so in the same way I just look for people with a similar personality.

Rather than complain about the world, I seek to change myself and learn from the world as it is. Not talk about how it could be, How I could have, should have, would have, but rather focus on solutions and doing them.
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#57688 - 07/28/11 07:39 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Thule]
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Since we're dealing with reality for some of us power and huge success may never come but the path for self satisfaction is to follow your own path and to not care nor listen to how others feel you should live your life.If people cannot accept you for you do not accept them.
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#57690 - 07/28/11 09:07 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Targeted313]
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Let's put it this way: maximizing my potential. So yes of course it isn't necessary to be king of the world.

Typically other people are not going to treat me fairly or give me opportunity. To avoid them would be to avoid human society. This causes me to be less successful. So I have to somehow balance living in a society of users and abusers with also taking what I can from it.
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#57693 - 07/28/11 09:31 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Thule]
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I'm not saying to avoid people if you were responding to my statement I meant do not allow people to alter your way of living or what you feel is best for you.I agree with not avoiding people.One can learn from others whether friend or foe.
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#58227 - 08/16/11 02:26 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Targeted313]
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Power? haha man morgan owned the shit out of this guy but that aside. Power is based on how hard you try, luck, and fucking destiny. If lord satan wants you to be powerful and you try hard and pray to him then hell you might just become powerful one day but for someone to ask this question it just kind of makes you sound.. . ..well weak.
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#58230 - 08/16/11 02:47 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: jaredkk]
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You know what is really weak? Prayer. Prayer is the last (or first) refuge of the weak, the lazy, the helpless. If power is based on "how hard you try, luck, and fucking destiny" then where does prayer fit in? Especially if destiny is indeed a reality then that renders prayer even more impotent.

This is the second post of yours I have read that mentions praying to Satan. Prayer is stupid and pointless regardless of who or what you pray to. True power is taken and exercised by one's own will. If you have to pray (beg) for it then it isn't power at all.
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#58231 - 08/16/11 02:55 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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if your an Atheist then thats fine i dont care at all. if you are not then you would understand that asking for help from satan feels good and even more powerful than previously and like you have an edge of life against others and adds more motivation and confidence than you would think. If you dont want to pray then dont it isnt necessary for everyone bra. If praying is for the weak meh you could be right but if it makes you feel better then hey i say do it. Do whatever makes you feel good bra. Who says praying and destiny cannot live together in harmony anyways? Everyone is different. If you end up putting all faith into yourself then eventually you may find yourself out of luck is all i am saying

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#58233 - 08/16/11 03:06 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: jaredkk]
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if your an atheist then thats fine i dont care at all.


Gee, thanks. I don't think I would be able to sleep at night knowing my Atheism bothered someone.

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if you are not then you would understand that asking for help from satan feels good and even more powerful than previously and like you have an edge of life against others and adds more motivation and confidence than you would think.


I know something else that that feels good, is empowering and a confidence booster: getting off your ass and actually working towards the things you want.

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If you dont want to pray then dont it isnt necessary for everyone bra.


Prayer isn't necessary for anyone. And why do you insist on typing as if you are speaking in a Hawaiian accent?

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Who says praying and destiny cannot live together in harmony anyways?


Um, the implications of the words say so. If there is such a thing as destiny, then every aspect of our life is predetermined. If it is predetermined then there is no point in asking for something; we will not get it unless it is already a part of our destiny.

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Everyone is different.


An obvious and pointless observation.

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If you end up putting all faith into yourself then eventually you may find yourself out of luck is all i am saying


At least I know I actually exist. Putting all my "faith" in myself might backfire but putting any faith into fair-tales is guaranteed to leave you burnt in the end.
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#58234 - 08/16/11 03:14 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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bahahah oh man youve got to be the most ignorant faggot ive ever heard. Just seeing your rebuke my first statement with such a douchey demeanor when it was totalllllly uncalled for. Its more of a California accent sir. Man im not bothered by your Atheism you idiot! Most satanists probably begin as atheists in the first place!! Im not allowed to make observations that win nobel prizes? thanks for the update there einstein, fantastic! Yes i totally agree hard work is important i never EVER said otherwise! And you arent the ruler of destiny now are you mr. God? No you are not and you have no idea how destiny (if it exists) works! Destiny can be changed dont you understand? I know youve heard that a millllion times.

And i just want to say, if you arent a satanist why come to a satanic forum.

And also, your the reason why christians think atheists are such uptight douche bags, because it is obvious to anyone who reads your opinions. Bra. So Calm down.

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#58235 - 08/16/11 03:34 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: jaredkk]
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Wow, you broke even sooner than I thought you would.

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bahahah oh man youve got to be the most ignorant faggot ive ever heard.


I'm the ignorant one? That's funny.

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Just seeing your rebuke my first statement with such a douchey demeanor when it was totalllllly uncalled for.


I'll tell you what was uncalled for: you registering with this website and making your ridiculous postings.

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Its more of a California accent sir.


I'm from California, Oakland, to be specific and I don't talk like that. No one I know from California talks like that. The only people I have ever heard talk like that are half-retarded stoners.

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Man im not bothered by your atheism you idiot!


I was being sarcastic. Look it up. Idiot.

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Im not allowed to make observations that win nobel prizes?


You're most certainly allowed to but I doubt you have the ability to.

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Yes i totally agree hard work is important i never EVER said otherwise!


You may not have said otherwise but you definitely spent more time talking up the power of prayer which is the antithesis of hard work.

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And you arent the ruler of destiny now are you mr. God?


Yes, yes I am. I have more control over my life than anyone else.

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No you are not and you have no idea how destiny (if it exists) works!


I've already defined what destiny is in my previous post so it is obvious that I do understand "how" it works. You are the one who is misunderstanding as is evidenced by your saying:

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Destiny can be changed dont you understand?


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I know youve heard that a millllion times.


You can't know something that isn't true.

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And i just want to say, if you arent a satanist why come to a satanic forum.


Good question. Too bad it has no bearing on the discussion here.

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And also, your the reason why christians think atheists are such uptight douche bags, because it is obvious to anyone who reads your opinions. Bra. So Calm down.


Wow - I had no idea I was so influential. Perhaps I'll finally get around to typing up my Wikipedia page.

Edit: Here is the PM I just said I was going to repost so everyone can see what a douche you are

 Originally Posted By: Crybaby
YOUR TAKING FOREVER TO REPLY TO MY POST

i see that your a 25 year old faggot coming to a satanist forum to bump heads with satanists. Calling their faith a fairy tale when it doesnt even matter because everyone should practice their faith the way they want and its none of your business at all unless they are imposing some type of violence or negative thing on to you Which satanism does NOT. If this was an islam site i would totally understand but for fuck sakes your fucking faggot cunt, why are you so damn stupid for an atheist? I beleive in science and evolution just as many people do. If you really want to bump heads with people who dont agree with you on important mainstream shit then seriously, go to christian forums or something. Man your a fucking faggot. reply im getting bored and im going to get perma banned anyways so hurry up bro



Edited by 6Satan6Archist6 (08/16/11 03:41 AM)
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#58989 - 09/09/11 12:08 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Education is a sure way to gain most if not all forms of power.

Currently i'm studying for a Diploma in advanced computing which will give me the skills I need to have not just any IT job but a high paying IT job which will be secure and have lots of benefits.

I also have connections in my local goverment so that helps a lot.

It takes a lot just to get one shred of power, but its worth it

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#59051 - 09/11/11 11:02 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Kyleshell]
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This is an interesting question: the shortest path to power.

Acquiring and holding onto power seems to involve taking more or less calculated risks and then imposing order on the resulting “chaos.”

Education and being given progressively more responsible roles is useful, and sure it can take time to get a hold of some authority.

It helps if you can figure out what you’re good at and what is your passion and then strive to succeed in that area because the motivation/sustaining interest to drive hard and charge is already there.

You need to create the perception that you are naturally a part of the group that rules the roost, because there are always two basic classes: those who have the power by providing the rules and ultimately taking responsibility and those who just follow the rules and are lost without them.

Again, how much “chaos” can you handle, how much order can you impose and how many others can you make believe in your order, in your right to put an end to the “chaos?”

Basically you need to be intelligent or at least seem like you are. Wear a mask or disguise yourself if you need to, so nobody can quite figure your next move, your next persona, your next alliance, where you other hand is going.

Carefully build alliances with people who matter and who you can see are intelligent and influential.

You need energy – tireless energy and you need to dedicate it all too acquiring power, by succeeding at what you are trying to do. Power, in this sense, is the icing on the cake, an effect of the other work you do.

Never drop your guard when you are in contact with an intelligent person, who is seeking power like yourself. In fact, never drop your guard when in the presence of any intelligent person unless they are family and very trusted friends.

Be icy cold and calculating if required. Be who they need you to be whenever they need you to be it.

Find a mentor if required. Do not destroy the system or threaten to destroy the system unless you actually can, that is the fools way.

Become a master of the system and work your way up by pointing out how those above you are not following the system, or have lost their touch, or by showing you can do it better or use the system better.

Work your way up the chain and then change the system in small ways until it has been entirely made over in your image, if you can.

Read Pedlar of Death: the Life of Sir Basil Zaharoff if you can find a copy.

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#59076 - 09/13/11 12:31 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
Become a master of the system and work your way up by pointing out how those above you are not following the system, or have lost their touch, or by showing you can do it better or use the system better.
Good and practical advice, but it's important that no one who is in the system knows about the real aim, because, if the real intentions will be discovered pre-timely, than the person, who wish be the master could be kicked out and even lost his/her precious reputation.

In the long (not always the shortest) way to power we have to conceal our intentions, we have to keep people in the dark and off-balance by never revealing purpose behind our actions. If system keepers have no clue what we’re up to, they cannot prepare a defense.
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#59685 - 10/01/11 09:22 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Morgan]
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I'm new to this but I think u have a good point about what u said to him, but I want to know do u think its bad to want power with out much work.
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#59688 - 10/01/11 10:07 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: s-roc]
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s-roc, please post a proper introduction and do not use text speak here. This forum offers clear guidelines on what is acceptable behaviour.
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#60453 - 10/26/11 03:51 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: felixgarnet]
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You want power, they want power ... power is like water, everybody wants it but nobody knows how to get it unless it comes from a faucet. So all they have to do is turn the knob and 'woosh' out comes the water.

The easiest way to power is also the fastest, but that path lacks experience. If you aren't careful with that then you will be swallowed by those who carry both power and experience ...

A bull does not symbolize power, the matador leading him along does. If you don't want a huge commitment then I really don't know how you are going to find "power". Maybe you should wash people's clothes for a living, that doesn't require much of an investment of time or money.

Power ... HAHAHA

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#60454 - 10/26/11 05:06 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: halfchaos]
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Power is what I seek. Mental and physical power. Personally the path to these goals is easy to follow.

Mental power/prowess - education.
Physical power - training.

There is a lot of hard work involved, and IMO power without the effort is false and temporary. Power over oneself is the strongest and most enduring of all power. Everything else follows.

It's a pain in the ass, but that's why I'm up at 4:30 reading the boards, and then off to the gym for 5 am... to achieve my goals I have to put in the effort, no one is going to do it for me.

Magickal practices are something that can be developed best through education. Education on the methods, history and psychology of the various magicks. For me some forms of Chaos Magick have been useful. Sigils especially. It's one of the 'rituals' I perform on a regular basis, and helps me focus myself and keep on this path I've chosen. But without the other aspects to my training it wouldn't have much purpose.

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#60455 - 10/26/11 06:22 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Latvian]
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 Originally Posted By: Latvian
[quote=MatthewJ1]...
In the long (not always the shortest) way to power we have to conceal our intentions, we have to keep people in the dark and off-balance by never revealing purpose behind our actions. If system keepers have no clue what we’re up to, they cannot prepare a defense.


An almost-analogy would be a game of poker. There's much more to it than simply the cards you hold. A person with a solid hand can very well lose and someone with crap for cards - if they play them right - can come out on top.

A combination of the right cards + a well played game is almost unbeatable.

Never show your hand, do not shy away from subterfuge, and in the same vein if you know your chances of success at the given goal are slim, adjust accordingly or risk losing it all.

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#60456 - 10/26/11 06:50 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: halfchaos]
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 Originally Posted By: halfchaos
You want power, they want power ... power is like water, everybody wants it but nobody knows how to get it unless it comes from a faucet. So all they have to do is turn the knob and 'woosh' out comes the water.

The easiest way to power is also the fastest, but that path lacks experience. If you aren't careful with that then you will be swallowed by those who carry both power and experience ...

A bull does not symbolize power, the matador leading him along does. If you don't want a huge commitment then I really don't know how you are going to find "power". Maybe you should wash people's clothes for a living, that doesn't require much of an investment of time or money.

Power ... HAHAHA


I have to disagree on this. Your assumption that everybody wants power, and further that no one knows how to get it, except by faucet, is inaccurate to put it mildly.

There are people who do not actively seek power in any form, there are people who enjoy giving power away (BDSM as an example) and people who decide to end their lives and in effect forfeit every ounce of power they ever had.

Also, some of the people who do seek power know very well how to attain it. If everyone expected power to come easily we would be living in a world of underachievers. But that's not the case, there are some extremely powerful people out there, by almost any definition of the word.

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#60480 - 10/27/11 08:36 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: SatansPath666]
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So I am assuming, am I? I don't believe you read what I was trying to say properly. Beyond that I was speaking in a very generalized and indirect manner. The sky turns shades of both red and blue as long as the world keeps spinning.


Anyway I have known one or two "pleasure slaves" in the past and one of them was the sort who would train others. I am quite certain she would argue that it is not the master that holds the power in that sort of relationship. If memory serves me right, she told me so and I am inclined to agree. Power is control and control is nothing more than a state of mind.

The "pleasure slave" forfeits her body and spirit in return for ... what exactly? Security? Ramen noodles? Perhaps somewhere for her child to sleep at night? And whenever she wants something else all she has to do is ... Heh. A "pleasure slave" worth their silk in any case. In this manner power is given, not taken, and power that is not taken but rather borrowed doesn't rightly belong to you because that person can take it back at any time at all.


As for suicide ... meh, I wonder; what happens to this "power" that a person gives up on after they kill themselves? Does this power go poof or ... I am more inclined to believe that the power and responsibility is transferred to somebody else, whether they want it or not, in the traditional sense. I would give an example but my mind is too warped and I am likely the only one who would find it entertaining so we will just move along if it's all the same.


Let's keep this short, shall we? The thing is that everybody loves to poke and prod at people stronger than themselves, and everybody loves to say, "I would do things so much differently if only I had power", but assuming they had that power ... would they really do things so much differently? I believe that factory would end up in ruins all the same even if zombiejesus himself rose from the dead to save it.

Attaining power is easy, retaining power is costly. Cost brings pressure, and even the holiest and most peaceful humans in the world will resort to some very questionable decisions when put under just the right amount of stress.

That catalysts a thought into my head; What do you attain by controlling the weak besides bragging rights for other weak people? Power is to be perceived in others and is very very relative. A soldier always looks very powerful compared to a civilian at least until a Marine comes along. The president or someone in Congress always seems like a trumping figure in the Senate, and always generally speaks as such, until the lobbyists come around with all their money and then even the best intentions are left in the wake of ash and nothingness.
Power is a state of mind.

Now if you'll excuse me I am going to bow out of this discussion and this section of the forum.

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#60487 - 10/27/11 04:36 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: halfchaos]
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Yes I know you were speaking in a generalized manner.. that's what I took issue with.

"The thing is that everybody loves to poke and prod at people stronger than themselves, and everybody loves to say, "I would do things so much differently if only I had power", but assuming they had that power ... would they really do things so much differently?"

Statements like this ^. When I read 'everybody' this, or 'everybody' that I cringe. It's usually the speaker placing themselves outside the 'everyone' category when things like this are said. And in your initial response that's what I felt was happening. Using the word 'everyone' followed by a 'they' is indicative of that. Everyone includes yourself.

As for your referencing BDSM, which I used as an example, you mention the concept of the 'pleasure slave' truly holding the power, and that is a perfectly plausible opinion. The thing is, I never specified which person has the power in those situations. It was just a bracketed example. People in general who choose to give away power come in a wide variety, many are those that are afraid of decision. Personally I don't think you can classify people on either side of the BDSM divide, some slaves attain power, yes, but in other cases the master holds that whip. It's very dependent on the people involved.

Suicide, your comment of power going 'poof' is odd. If you consider power to be physically manifest then this might apply, but one person deciding to end their existence doesn't always mean a transfer of power. Sometimes it just ends. If I am alone in the mountains, cut off from society, and choose to end my life - that's it. Done.

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#60488 - 10/27/11 08:40 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: SatansPath666]
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 Originally Posted By: SatansPath666
Yes I know you were speaking in a generalized manner.. that's what I took issue with.

Am I supposed to give a shit?
I am assuming you have no intention of posting an introduction? You really should try to follow protocol when you are in somebody else's abode.

In any case ... when I said everybody, I meant myself. This discussion is reasoning for that because my patience has limitations and I do not play well with others, especially when they are breathing down my neck looking for a reason to fuck with me for shits and giggles. I like power and I have categorized just about everyone. You can claim to be holier than thou and lie if you were to say you don't like or want power, but if I kidnap your child and hold a knife to it's throat I guarantee you would be reaching for that "power" pretty quickly.

And your comment about suicide would work if this were 1812 and we were all riding around on horseback to get to the store down the street. There are things beyond physical reality, such as inheritance and other legal matters that come into play. If you are alone, cut off from society, and choose to end your life, then unless you're a fucking bum off the street, everything you own goes to your next of kin ... considering where we are I find it appalling to have to explain this to you here.

You disagree, I don't care, and life goes on.
Truly I am done with this conversation. Instead of trolling my posts I suggest you post an introduction and follow protocol before you piss somebody else off too.

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#61943 - 11/28/11 01:02 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Kyleshell]
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A shorter path to power might be to work smarter not harder.

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#62027 - 11/29/11 07:21 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: thedeadidea]
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I have found that a great secret to power is purity. Come to think of it, this applies to basically any substance you can think of- alcohol, gasoline, drugs (prescription and non-prescription). If you choose to see yourself as a vessell from which your life form flows from, know that the purer you are mentally, emotionally and spritually, the swifter your momentum flows. Some ways in which a human can purify oneself is through studies, proper diet, meditation, choice of music, and choice of substances, i.e., drugs and alcohol. I really strive for purity in my devotion to the Dark Lord, in mindset and motive.
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#64096 - 01/26/12 04:51 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: LeftHandonFeet]
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Why do you want power? Power is related to how others relate to you. That's petty isn't it? Can you not respect yourself without the recognition of others? Ever lived alone? Ever lived alone and felt happy? Standing on your own two?

I understand if you've got a family to look after you need money and for that you need power to be practical. That I perfectly understand. But that's it.

If you are not burdened by these why not "opt yourself out of the game" as Robert Greene said "to be in the marginal"?

I'm a bit of an anarchist and a hermit (another thread if you want) in a way that I very much despise what measures are taken just to satisfy ones needs to feel important. You do not need anyones approval or respect. If you are drunk with power, be sure you really want it.


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#64098 - 01/26/12 06:27 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: proselyterror]
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If you want something bad enough, get out there and earn it. I am taking on 18 units this semester for my welding degree and the look that I get from another student or teacher face, when I tell them how many units im taking is pricless, because I am taking the max amount of classes at one time and most people only take three classes, not five. I am a very energetic person and so if I can handle 10 classess in a day: I would at least try.Now if I only didn't have to eat and sleep then I could really accoplish alot of my goal's alot quicker.But yes quality is more important then quantity, so I hope to keep my 3.8 GPA thru the semester.

Knowlegde is power!!!!

If you want to gain it. You must litterally, Whore after it!

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#64121 - 01/27/12 06:08 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: seekswisdom]
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There is no short way to power. Neglecting the question of what power is being sought.
True, to earn something you got to get out. But at least be aware some things are out of league and provide to be totally different from what was expected.

A problem I see in modern society is the idea of "I want that, I want it easy and I want it quick". Reality would be like: "you want it, persuade the hell out of it, come to conclusion it wasn't really worth it." Things take time for a reason. Why do small courses at academical Bachelor level at least take 3 years? First year is to kick out the delusioned, second year is to see the truly motivated and fit, last year is sharpening up the capable. Once graduated those capable even go on and do jobs which they did not study for in the first place. They grew tired and seek new horizons.

I'm of the idea power is not to be granted or achieved. It's something you recognize and can wield. The plumber is more powerfull as a king... I know I and the king are neckdeep in shit if he doesn't do his job properly or even refuses to do so.
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#65523 - 03/17/12 10:33 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Thule]
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The shortest path to power is to take control of our own minds. This and this alone gives us power over the direction of our own lives, which to me is the only form of power that matters.

It's ironic when Christians in movies are shown getting exorcisms to expel demons. In the real world, the Christian gobbledygook is one of the main elements we need to exorcise, to expunge from our minds. Likewise political ideologies, corporate vision, mission, and value statements, therapeutic psychobabble, and pseudo-scientific theories of self-improvement all need to be exorcised, expunged from our minds - and we need to do it ourselves, rather than calling in some priest or deprogrammer.

If we take this on as a personal challenge and are reasonably successful at it, we will encounter the true core of who we really are, and it will be an animal, a jungle beast as clean and graceful of spirit as the leopard or the cobra, sure of itself and its place in the world, sure of its needs and desires, sure of its strengths and weaknesses, sure of its enemies and havens of saftety, sure of its knowledge and skills, sure of its instincts and proclivities. It will be the great ape that talks and reads. No more dangerous creature stalks the night.
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#65524 - 03/17/12 11:38 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Frumious]
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Power in itself is nothing. I've never heard anyone say “I already got three boxes full of power but I want more more more!”

You can aspire to climb the ranks and be king of the world and then yes, you got da powa. But then what? You're going to sit there being all warm and fuzzy?

In life you set goals and try to accomplish these. Some goals might imply you will have to work your way up in some hierarchy and gain some power inside that hierarchy. But this power would merely be a tool to accomplish those specific goals. In itself, it is meaningless.

What is important, as our friend Frumious pointed out, is control. Being in control of ones own life, mind and choices. This requires much more effort than just thinking one is in control. But once you're in control, you yourself will be the only power needed to accomplish your goals.

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#65531 - 03/17/12 01:56 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Diavolo]
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The only true power is sovereignty over oneself.

This is the hardest task in the world.

Once one has mastered this task there is no need to strive after anything else.
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#65541 - 03/17/12 07:08 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Diavolo]
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Before you seek any kind of power I think you would gain a lot by learning some self discipline and formulating a plan to hold on to the power you have.

That being said there are some short cuts to power.There are people who rose from obscurity by recognizing and taking those shortcuts.

Some of these shortcuts are marry into power,forming a cult,murdering their boss and most horrifying of all starting a chess club and becoming leader of it.

The key is to recognize your unique advantages and be creative.

I also think that power is superior to control when the 2 terms aren't interchangeable.For example: I gave up some control of my finances to my accountant so I can spend the time it freed up to pursue more power.

The power I seek is over my mind,my body,my environment and my circumstances.I don't think king of the world would do much for me but I do aim to gain power over others when it coincides with my goals as stated above.

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#65550 - 03/18/12 01:18 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Thule]
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People to whom power over others seems important often primarily want one of four things:
1. To be feared.
2. To be indispensable to any decision process.
3. The instrumentality of being able to speak and have others act.
4. The easy access to other needs or wants that often is enjoyed by the powerful.

Crucial to any serious pursuit of happiness would be to discern what power over others really means in your psyche, so that (a) you pursue what you actually want and (b) you employ the most direct route to your goal.

Would #1 be satisfied for you in a well-acted BDSM scene? #2 by being the foremost expert in some field? #3 by owning your own business and having employees? #4 by being so good at something that people are willing to barter things you want for your services?
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#65553 - 03/18/12 05:25 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Thule]
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Three more thoughts regarding power over others.

First, when a non-human animal assumes power over others, for example the alpha wolf in a pack, that animal will be following the natural instincts and proclivities it was born with. It will assume dominance because everything in its nature is geared automatically to assuming this role, including pheromones that proclaim its dominance to any and all discerning noses. There are humans who likewise are born to this role. For them, taking charge of a group is a clean and graceful process that often meets with zero resistance and in fact is encouraged by many. The group itself will then function better than it did before, cleaner and more graceful in its coordinated movements. If one is considering a bid for power over others, it is smart to assess oneself as to the attribute of natural dominance, and be ruthlessly brutal in the self-assessment.

Second, in The Satanic Witch, a book considered by some to be Herr Doktor’s treatise on power over others via Lesser Magic, Herr Doktor isn’t describing techniques for taking power, but rather, techniques for discerning what power one already has and then using it to its fullest potential. Women are born with a certain seductive power over heterosexual men, a thing that will be true regardless of body type and society’s arbitrary and artificial propaganda for or against that body type. Women don’t have to take that power. They already have it. What they can do is (1) perceive what perhaps they didn’t before; (2) understand the mechanisms better than perhaps they did before; (3) train some skills they perhaps hadn’t trained previously; and (4) commit to exploiting a valuable resource they perhaps had been allowing to lie fallow. That’s what the book is about. Five questions, then, for the one considering a bid for power over others. Have you assessed yourself for power you already have? What did you discover? Do you understand the relevant mechanisms? Are you committed to exploiting any natural resource you discovered in yourself? Have you trained the requisite skills?

Third, when a person pictures mentally a scene of being in power over others, often that scene has been taken whole cloth from the constant brainwashing under way in society. Be wary of this. Society wants you to pursue such things as wealth, fame, and power over others in a corporate setting, because these pursuits will typically lead you to work very hard in areas that contribute to the economy. What you are to society is an economic agent. Working hard to make products or provide services, and thereby earn income you then spend on products and services, is what society wants you to do. You are certainly free to embark on such a project. It would simply be smart to understand what you are embarking on and precisely why you are doing so. Are you pursuing power over others because the constant brainwashing inserted that aspiration into your nervous system? In supposedly seeking dominance are you in fact submitting? Have you been programmed like a machine to run the power-over-others application? Is it really in your best interest to invest time and energy into a mental picture someone else composed? Is it really your nature to be in the position you are mentally picturing?

The animal you already are already knows what it needs to do to survive and be positively stimulated. Eliminating static in your nervous system that is obscuring such knowledge from your awareness – that might be a better goal than whatever society happens to be feeding you in your daily dose of bullshit.
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#65820 - 03/31/12 11:51 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Frumious]
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Just a quickie here. I was thinking about Robert E. Howard's character, Conan the Barbarian, specifically the point in his life story where he takes up the crown of Aquilonia and sets it on his brow. I have always deemed that a moral failure on his part. Better by far would have been a contemptuous kick, sending the crown sailing into the hands of whatever random onlooker happened to be standing in the way. What need did Conan have for a throne? When did he ever want and not find a way to have, or have and not find a way to hold?
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#79656 - 08/24/13 11:07 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Frumious]
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 Originally Posted By: Frumious
Just a quickie here. I was thinking about Robert E. Howard's character, Conan the Barbarian, specifically the point in his life story where he takes up the crown of Aquilonia and sets it on his brow. I have always deemed that a moral failure on his part. Better by far would have been a contemptuous kick, sending the crown sailing into the hands of whatever random onlooker happened to be standing in the way. What need did Conan have for a throne? When did he ever want and not find a way to have, or have and not find a way to hold?


This reminded me of the Riddle of Steel, central to the tale of Conan the Barbarian.

We could lay it out like this:

Conan's Father: Steel forged by the hands of man, the path to Power is Trust.

Thusla Doom: The Steel is Nothing, it is the Flesh that wields it, the carnal and primal man.

Conan Solving the Riddle of Steel: The realization that it is neither Steel (Trust), nor Flesh (Material) but the beliefs behind both that maintain power.


I interpreted both the Throne and Crown to be merely symbolic of his ability to maintain his Barbarianism while usurping the perceived 'power' represented by thrown/crown. Essentially, it was symbolic of his own becoming. The film wasn't really about some epic journey, or some heroism achieved... It was the making of Conan the Barbarian.


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#79721 - 08/25/13 01:44 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Kyleshell]
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One person's power is another's slavery. Try pursuing political power sometime if you doubt that. Set out to conquer the world, find yourself a puppet.

I would rather ask "what is the truest path to power?" Answering this necessitates answering "what does 'power' mean to you?" "What is / are the truths in you?" Power, then, is whatever hones in on, and brings to life that truth in you.

So, the truest path to power, in my view, is the path that helps me become more my self, not yet another version of yet another deluded self, but a truer self. And without going into an essay-length answer of how I can know what my truer self is, I will just say - you know it when you find it.

Having worked intensively with Setian philosophy, I can further delineate my answer into one word: Xeper! If you do not know that word and what it means, find the Temple of Set link on this site, and read the essays offered.

Happy Hunting!
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#79738 - 08/25/13 02:41 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Werbinox]
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Framing it from Setian thought, it might read more like:
"On becoming powerful", how does that sound to you?

It seems to me that power is thought to be only had when you can command others and they move for you. Exoteric vs. Esoteric. The essence of self can move people in the same way without having to command them to do so. Thoughts?
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#79768 - 08/25/13 10:00 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: SIN3]
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That sounds fine to me \:\)

The essence of self can inspire others to want to do things without having to command at all.
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#79791 - 08/26/13 06:41 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: SIN3]
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To elaborate with more thoughts: I have read Civil War-era soldiers serving under General Grant describe his leadership style as giving respect to get it. He conveyed such a simple, quiet respect to others that they wanted to do what he asked. Sure, he had actual rank and authority that could seriously fuck with those who didnt do what he asked, but I have found the principle works in any line of work, regardless of the rank one does or does not have. A simple, calm kind of authority emanates from those who are comfortable in their own skin, who are sure of themselves, and who go about their business in a no-nonsense way that is free of the obvious, egotistical manipulations and petty tyrannies one experiences in the presence of those who attempt to shore up their insecurities by what they can get others to do for them. One who knows their self can inspire respect, and with it a type of natural authority with others. Conversely, they also inspire a resentful hatred and opposition from those who militantly lack such calm self-possession, and who seek to undermine it in order to feel powerful themselves. Nietzsche and Rand wrote a lot about these types and their hatred of, and war against, strength. And that is a whole other topic, albeit one that relates to the subject at hand.
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#79823 - 08/26/13 06:12 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Werbinox]
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Those were my thoughts as well. There's something to be said about being powerful vs. demanding control to achieve power.

If you have to demand it, then 'you' aren't really have the effect you think you have. Those that have to resort to tactics such as acts of violence and psycho-terrorism are still striving for power whereas when people are more than willing to assist you, you already have it.
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#79834 - 08/27/13 04:54 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: SIN3]
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To me, power is the ability to extend what lies in your own mind, and bring it into realization in the physical world. For some, it might be severing themselves from society and living in solidarity. For me, it is about gaining influence over the many, and bending them to reshape society in my own ideal image. Either way is valid, and it is up to each individual to decide their own path.
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#79909 - 08/27/13 11:00 PM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: HisDivineShadow]
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I agree with to each his own. Yet your version of power to me can also be called "dependency", since it requires countless others in some abstract and / or totalitarian way to "bend to your ideal vision of yourself". Why would your ideal vision of yourself require others to do anything at all? That's a hard gig to pull off, especially when, eventually (as Patrick Stewart say's in 'Ted') no one gives a shit. And power, being also, and to me, primarily a psychological principle, belongs to anyone and everyone who can achieve its perception. That these others in 'society' (how many we talking here?) can ignore or reject your ideal "vision of yourself" as something they need to bend to is power also; power for them.

Do you mean government / statist / cult of personality power? Or media power, seducing people to your vision? What means and steps are you taking to realize this vision of power for yourself? Assuming nothing gets ruined by telling me. I doubt anyone here will give the game away, unless of course it involves the need for us to bend to your vision, too ;\)

That I neednt conform to what other people's ideals and egos need of me, and can have my own standard that does not need their approval or reinforcement, is essential to my own vision of power. If I can Inspire others to their own better efforts (not bend) than that is a bonus. But to each their own...
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#80050 - 08/31/13 03:59 AM Re: The Shortest Path to Power [Re: Werbinox]
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One of the best things I do is research. You have to do as much research as possible. Apply that research and you will get results. You have to walk the walk. Don't just talk or write about it. You have to take action. Actions speak louder than words. You need to take action in order to get to power.

Oh and it is not short. You have to put in a lot of time in order to achieve it. It takes a lot of time. You need patience. Procrastination should not be a factor. Procrastinating is a bad thing. Unfortunately, I tend to procrastinate. That is something that needs to change in my life.
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