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#57588 - 07/26/11 03:53 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Hegesias]
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And how is this related to my comment Nazis weren't that racially tolerant?

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#57590 - 07/26/11 04:20 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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Just sarcasm and trying to push a good movie to people. \:\)

I can't say if they were even remotely racially tolerant because Hitler was a certain personality type, his followers were under his influence. He was also a sexual sadist so I suppose this aggression came out in his ideology after he went impotent?

For me it's a mixed ball, I'm just one to cast off the negative in things and see what I can use. In those times I suppose the power went to their heads, the reaction to the Jewish threat spewed out over into other areas.

This leads me to my personal opinion, that Hitler ought to have stayed in Germany and fortified a genuine National Socialist country and defended instead of invaded.

What do you think? You and Thule and others are more knowledgeable with this.
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#57592 - 07/26/11 04:37 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Hegesias]
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Actually France and the UK started WW2 by declaring war on Germany. The reason was not to save Poland, since they never declared war on Russia. The UK also wasn't bothered when Italy moved into Ethiopia. The reason was purely political; Germany was becoming a too important player in Europe. All those millions that died are a direct result of the UK and France declaring war, not because those evil Nazis were devouring all of Europe or doing bad things to those poor Jews. None cared about the Jews.

Was Hitler mad? Not really, just a child of his time toying with the ideas of his time. Things were not to different elsewhere in Europe.

But they were strict on which race was inferior and which not. In the Middle East, only a specific Berber tribe was considered Aryan. In Europe, also not all were considered superior races. And in the army they had a racial policy although practically they had to bend the rules to gain the numbers needed in a war of this magnitude. The Waffen SS was quite strict but allowed volunteers from other aryan nations. The Wehrmacht didn't matter too much at the level of race, as long as specific ones were avoided.

I also advise you to look for information affirming German soldiers were commanded by higher ranking non-Germans. I think you'll have a hard time finding that.

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#57597 - 07/26/11 05:45 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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Hitler had to attack the soviet union. the whole philosophy of the USSR was world domination and Germany was next in path. Might as well strike first.

Germany also begged England to be an ally. But Jews were pulling the strings in England so yeah actually the anti-semetism was a reason that the US and England got involved.

Also Hitler was financed by Jewish bankers. Politicians in England and the US sat back and let him grow in power, then at the last minute created a terrible war (which wouldn't have been so close if started earlier).

This all seemed to work out quite well for the zionists who used the war to get England to grant what would become the state of israel to them.

It all seems staged for Jewish interests.

What is interesting is the Nazis actually created the worlds strongest economy and had other great achievements in such a short period of time.

However I would never have wanted to live in the stat. It is basically Christianity but instead of jesus they worship Hitler. It was a cult of personality where people were discouraged from thinking or objecting.
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#57601 - 07/26/11 06:28 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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Operation Barbarossa started in 1941 when Germany was already at war with the UK and France, so the argument that he asked England for help but was rejected is false. The invasion of Russia was to create Lebensraum; remove the native population and repopulate with Germans. All the rest was propaganda.

PS: During WW2 Winston Churchill was prime minister of England and he's not known as the notorious Jew lover so all this shit about Jews is just bollocks.

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#57635 - 07/27/11 12:21 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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He writes about allying with England in mein kampf years before any of this happened. It was always his goal. They continually tried this through countless operations and pleas to England both before and during the war.

National Socialism was founded as a reaction against Communism. At the time Communism was a very real threat of taking over Germany.

It is rather interesting though the Hitler writes about envisioning a sort of "united states of Europe" and essentially he modern EU has taken up Hitlers vision albeit in a different fashion. So who knows without the threat of communism they probably would have been trying to secure some kind of peaceful alliance similar to the EU. however there was a fundamental difference and conflict between communist ideology and national socialist.
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#57636 - 07/27/11 12:30 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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What he wrote in Mein Kampf about an alliance with the UK does not provide any credibility for your argument that he asked England to be an ally for Operation Barbarossa. If you check the time-line, you'd notice that the Blitz was before Barbarossa and as such, the suggestion he asked them is rather ridiculous. Only a moron bombs them first and then asks them to help.

So, the UK Jew story is crap.

Also in Mein Kampf he already mentioned the necessity of invading the East to create Lebensraum. Slavics were inferior, so replacing them was only the right to do. Russia was no threat and it was not until invaded, it started to intensely build up its war machine.

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#57643 - 07/27/11 01:45 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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http://www.thephora.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-38564.html

interesting. I guess you could be right on the whole russian thing. You seem a little too defensive of "Jews". Do you really believe the wealthiest group in the country had no influence? I actually found a book written by Jews bragging about how they organized the Jewish community in England in the early twentieth century. I can't find the book now. Britain could have easily allied with Germany. Their only conflict was ideology. Germany had no goal to attack or invade Britain.
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#57644 - 07/27/11 01:56 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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Defensive? I could give a rat's ass about Jews, their holocaust included. But seeing people blame their own incompetence upon Jews each time is enervating. Everything wrong in the world is to blame on those pesky Jews, they're in control, they dominate, they manipulate. Oh the Protocols of Zion warned us but we fools did not listen.

Learn to realize that it is WE who are the source of everything wrong. It is WE who just let shit happen and think crying about it makes it somehow better.

Blaming the Jews is the same as a slave blaming the master. The slave is a slave because he submits.

That Jew thing is just an excuse to dodge responsibility.

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#57645 - 07/27/11 02:14 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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I don't believe in blaming Jews at all. I don't follow that WN line of though. I do believe Jews control the affairs of the world, have most of the money etc. This is all easily verified through a little research. Of course they aren't all controlling, but rather have more influence than any other ethnic group.

Rather than complain about this I would rather learn from them and organize and act in a similar way. Actually independently I seem to think of similar ways to act, then the majority of non-Jews I meet seem to resist these logical ways of acting with all their might. Maybe its because I have some Jewish ancestry, I don't know. It seems like common sense to me, but only Jews seem to organize to further their own interests.

Yes I agree whites are the source of all the problems that whites face. They are unfit for survival generally and refuse to improve. Instead of improving they make excuses for failure (which makes them fail even more). I agree totally. At the same time its dangerous to underestimate certain people who may be working against your own interests.
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#57647 - 07/27/11 02:34 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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 Originally Posted By: Thule
I do believe Jews control the affairs of the world, have most of the money etc. This is all easily verified through a little research.


The 10 Richest People in the World (Forbes 2011)

No. 1: Carlos Slim Helú & family
No. 2: Bill Gates
No. 3: Warren Buffett
No. 4: Bernard Arnault
No. 5: Larry Ellison
No. 6: Lakshmi Mittal
No. 7: Amancio Ortega
No. 8: Eike Batista
No. 9: Mukesh Ambani
No. 10: Christy Walton & family

How many Jews do you count?

Now, I agree that many Jews are doing well financially and this is indeed partly because of their culture but at the same time, they do not act different from any other. Not all Jews are the concern of all Jews and neither do they have a Jewish agenda regarding world domination.

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#57658 - 07/27/11 06:51 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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 Originally Posted By: Thule
I don't believe in blaming Jews at all. I don't follow that WN line of though. I do believe Jews control the affairs of the world, have most of the money etc.


You believe they control the world, have most of the money, yet you don't hold them responsible for anything?

 Originally Posted By: Thule
Rather than complain about this I would rather learn from them and organize and act in a similar way.


Get together with a few friends and "act Jewish"?

 Originally Posted By: Thule
It seems like common sense to me, but only Jews seem to organize to further their own interests.


Disproved by ... well, pretty much any other group ever.

 Originally Posted By: Thule
Yes I agree whites are the source of all the problems that whites face. They are unfit for survival generally and refuse to improve. Instead of improving they make excuses for failure (which makes them fail even more).


What about white Jews? All generalizations are bad.

You are a retard. Like any other emotionally-based rationalizer, you see patterns where there are none in an attempt to dodge responsibility for the hard work of investigating and thinking for yourself and acting to further your own ends. Stop wasting your energy on useless conspiracy theories and go achieve something.
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#57663 - 07/27/11 09:11 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Autodidact]
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LOL! Why do I think someone is probably going to break out their personal copy of THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION and quote it page for page?

THE JEWS!!!!! Yes!!! THE!!! JEWS!!!!!

Geez.
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#57673 - 07/28/11 12:31 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Autodidact]
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Rather than complain about this I would rather learn from them and organize and act in a similar way.


You remind me of a story I read somewhere; once when a Jewish educational society met with some visiting Japanese gentlemen, they were astonished when one of the Japanese gave them a signed copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", saying how much the Japanese admired the Jews because they controlled the media and politics and had the world at their fingertips. Needless to say, it was a rather awkward moment, and many facepalms were had.

People who refer to "THE JEWS" like some faceless conspiratorial force with a hidden agenda clearly understand nothing about the Jewish cultural group or the basic principles of sociology. There are liberal Jews, conservative Jews, secular Jews, kind-of-liberal-but-not-really Jews, and everything in between. Like Christians, Muslims, and all other such categorizations, they are all fragmented and usually hate each other. The stereotype of the rich, liberal, American Jew in the media business is miles away from the equally-popular stereotype of the conservative, militant Zionist who lobbies for unwavering support of Israel. Conspiracy theorists think that they secretly work together, but chances are if you put the two together in a room, they'd be more likely to tear the other to pieces.

It would be more fair and accurate to refer specifically to said "militant Zionists" as many have tried, but too often it gets too verbose for them so they slip back into the pejorative mantra of "JEWS! JEWS! JEEEEEEWWWWS!!!"

The world is "run" by a disjointed mob of dictators who pretend to have some sort of common "cause" or "agenda", but really are just waiting to stab each other in the back the moment the political thermometer drops a notch. The recent revolutions in the Middle East are evidence enough, if the past 10,000-year history of humanity hasn't convinced you. Nobody's pulling the strings, except in your head.


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#57678 - 07/28/11 01:56 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: The Zebu]
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The world is "run" by a disjointed mob of dictators who pretend to have some sort of common "cause" or "agenda", but really are just waiting to stab each other in the back the moment the political thermometer drops a notch. The recent revolutions in the Middle East are evidence enough, if the past 10,000-year history of humanity hasn't convinced you. Nobody's pulling the strings, except in your head.


I think I must say I agree with this point. Also I would concur that racists blame their failure on other ethnic groups. And I would like to point out that, even though I disagree with certain religioun-biased ideologies such as Zionism, I do not have any problem with people with different ethnic backgrounds such as Jews. Yet, check out this link!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XbMmmKjM_s


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