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#57692 - 07/28/11 09:16 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: a. don]
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Jewish groups are well organized and look out for the interests of other Jews. Similar types of organizations exist for other ethnicities (NAACP) which were started by Jews. Also Asian groups, hispanic etc. exist. However none compare with Jewish organization. There is no such organization for non-Jewish white people (Aryans). There is no conspiracy but simply using the words of Jews themselves and their own websites. These networks are dedicated to helping other Jews, Jewish interests etc. There is a well funded "Jewish lobby" in washington.

By contrast Bill Gates gets rich because of his own hard work an intelligence. Not because of the color of his skin. Meanwhile many Jews and non-whites have advantages and help based solely on their ethnicity. How is it organized:

The Jewish Federation is a global organization which united, networks and helps Jews:

http://www.jewishfederations.org/

The ADL, an organization formed to look out for the interests of Jews trains and directs law enforcement! Imagine if the KKK was training and directing law enforcement!

B'nai B'rith is an organiztion started to look out for Jewish interests. It sits at the table of the UN. No other racist group plays a prominent role in the UN (in all other cases nations play a role, not "advocacy" groups)

As it calls itself "the global voice of Jewish people"

http://bnaibrith.org/

There is no "global voice of white people". This is in their own words not mine. It's simple reality, whether you want to believe in it or not.

You can believe the world is just and fair all you want. I don't care what you believe. I just look to find a few people living in reality who are results oriented- that is they want to work to increase their own wealth, power, influence and general quality of life.

It's a simple formula- team work= success. If you don't believe that is true I will not waste my time arguing with you. I don't really care what you believe. I just look to have a conversation with people who share some of my views so we can move forward and continue to empower each other with information and relevant strategies.

And yes of cours I have known many Jews. They often aren't even aware of all these organizations. Nonetheless they benefit from it through "advocacy"
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#57694 - 07/28/11 10:00 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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Maybe you should explain me then why 15% of the Jews in the USA are poor?

I mean, surely, from birth they do get all the goodies from those organisations not?

You know what the problem is? You can't handle the fact you don't get things on a silver platter. So while you're begging on the virtual highway, holding up a sign "help me, I'm needy", you look at everyone else that did earn their shit and consider that unjust. Because you got nothing, they can't but got theirs without doing effort.

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#57698 - 07/28/11 11:11 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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About national socialism: I used to post on stormfront and skadi. I was banned from both sites for "trolling". Rather instead I was bringing up legitimate criticism. I can't understand the mindset of 99% of humanity which has no interest in improving themselves, criticism etc.

Stormfront is a worldwide network for any extreme right individual. While it is being described as one of the most controverse websites in the world (after quite some lawsuits) it is filled with loonies and right wing drones. Been there, done that. Skadi is about the same. If you don't put up with some of their crazy conspiracy ideas, then you're trolling.

But at the looks of your past posts I'm pretty sure it was simply sheer stupidity which got your ass kicked.

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* Racism is rather impractical because it is based on ancestry. A person is including people in their *ingroup* who are not racist, and often opposed to them. This alone is absolutely stupid. Likewise any moron, failure, defect etc. can be of the same race. What is the point? If you have basically no standards why be racist? I don't understand how skin color could be more important than intelligence or any other useful criteria.

Racism is not present in modern national socialism. It is a term invented in the old days to blackmail people and keep them in line for multicultural thinking. Within national socialism it is all about cultural pride and honour. Cultural ancestery are to be viewed as "points" when it comes down to credibility within these circles. Why? The premise would be that there is less chance for being introduced towards multicultural thinking.

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Though modern neo-nazis, nationalists and racists don't even understand the basics of nazism (at least the ones that post online, make websites etc.) rather they are just rehashing the propaganda put out by nazis (along with a combination of thee evil racist stereotype propaganda put out by modern wester societies) rather than the actually understanding, much less advocating, the original nazi ideas

At least you got that right... there are a few gems, but most of them try to keep a low profile.

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hate & antagonism- it accomplishes nothing. The true predator doesn't threaten, rather he strikes and kills. Meanwhile the weak losers try to have "tough" sounding names, threaten everyone and shout about their supremacy. This actually causes law enforcement to watch them, people to attack them etc. which leaves them worse than before. It seems like the total manifestation of stupidity. This is to such an extreme that I wonder if many internet racists are real people or rather people posting as a joke (I don't understand how people that stupid and careless could successfully put together a website or forum for instance).

Such people DO serve by their persona. While most boost and have their egos petted, they attract like-minded persons. Some of them are armed with the basic writings, and sometimes a little diamond pops up. Those spreading the hate are actually the canonfodder for the lefties. And there's plenty of them.
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I suspect many of them are Jews posting as racists in order to justify another billion dollars to israel from the German government or another "tolerance" program in our schools.

Wha...?

Let me tell you a secret, the thing you just said... it's bullocks.

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It seems to me that internet nationalism actually harms white people by creating justification for more racist programs which discriminate against whites (affirmative action, white guilt programs etc.) so if these people are for real, they are their own worst enemy!

There are some tactics involved when it comes down to organisations like C18 and B&H. Not all members are the usual grunt you tend to see on television.
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#57703 - 07/28/11 02:23 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Dimitri]
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.- Aristotle

I am starting to find this board very low class. There is no reason to reply to something with "you are stupid" or other similar things. It doesn't reflect badly on me, it reflects badly on the person writing it. That's not a very "high brow" argument.

If someone says "the moon is made of cheese" I don't reply back "you are a retard" either I ignore them or simply say "I have a rock from the moon it is not made of cheese, come look for yourself"

In the same way I welcome any constructive criticism that can be useful to me, but most criticism I receive is not based on the kinds of experience, knowledge etc. that I have observed. It is useless to me.

It seems to promote a sheep mentality when you expect everyone around you to believe and do exactly as you do and then get upset when this is not the case.

What happens is all the insults simply waste a lot of space and it takes time reading them which detracts from anything useful or interesting.

In regards to the racists: I have seen a few rational people on the boards. But in order to "fit in" with their extremist friends they end up supporting the party-line, which I find to be a bit irrational.

One example of a prominent leader that is rational is David Duke. His videos are very well presented, not about hate, simply European cultural preservation. He obsesses a little too much about "jewish supremacism" but everything he posts is rational and factual. He also has real accomplishments, such as getting a PhD, being elected to senate etc. Yet at the same time he associates himself with the stormfront crowd which gives him a bad reputation.
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#57704 - 07/28/11 02:34 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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The world is "run" by a disjointed mob of dictators who pretend to have some sort of common "cause" or "agenda", but really are just waiting to stab each other in the back the moment the political thermometer drops a notch. The recent revolutions in the Middle East are evidence enough, if the past 10,000-year history of humanity hasn't convinced you. Nobody's pulling the strings, except in your head. ---

Good point. However as you move up the social ladder you learn everything is about team work and networking. You do not get to the top alone!!! All leaders are part of skull and bones, fraternities, networks, prominent families, sororities, college frat houses, masons etc. It is the simple reality of success.

It so happens that the Jewish "tribe" is a prominent network of power.

Why are 15% of Jews poor?

They must totally lack any ability.

Example: I used to live near the university of Cincinnati. This school was about 98% East Asians and White people. Ok fair enough. But the school actually begs black people to join, has a special minority success center to help them succeed and any one with passing grades will have all their bills paid for them!!

At the same time I could not afford to go to this school.

Why isn't the school full of black people then? People are unmotivated. Incapable etc.

There are programs for Jews only which provide interest free business loans. If I qualified as a jew I would already own my own business. I have contacted them and tried to get these loans.

At the same time I was offered to fly to Israel on a free vacation by someone who thought I was Jewish. Its available free to all the Jewish youth! Most don't go. Either they don't know about it or don't care.

That's the thing about privilege. Many people take it for granted and don't feel a need to act on it.

At the same time we are taught in school about "white privilege" which doesn't exist from my own experiences. the only thing I ever got for being white is a lot of guilt and denied minority benefits.

Jews nonetheless are the wealthiest ethnic group in the United States and Europe. The average Jewish income is around $50,000 a year and regular whites $30,000. Asian is also higher than whites but lower than Jews.

Yet in the newspaper just the other day they had an article about how whites are richer than everyone else and then compared whites to blacks and hispanics. They always omit Jewish and Asian over performance when portraying whites as some dominant group of racists.

There is also the ADL and countless other groups which protects any Jew which is persecuted. nobody is protecting me. Simply because a Jew allows himself to be abused or is a total failure doesn't mean that he doesn't have privileges nor does it mean his ethnic group doesn't pull the strings.

That's like saying during the colonial period of Europe that England was not a world empire because some ethnic English were peasants.

The English peasant still benefited from being English though.

Of course its the wealthy and powerful Jews which network for their own ethnic interests. It doesn't mean every single Jew is wealthy and powerful and in some international conspiracy.




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#57705 - 07/28/11 02:40 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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 Originally Posted By: Thule
Why are 15% of Jews poor?

They must totally lack any ability.


So, and correct me if I'm wrong, 15% of the Jews are poor because they must totally lack any ability and you are poor because you are not a Jew?

Or am I misunderstanding something here?

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#57706 - 07/28/11 03:09 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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If I had the opportunities of any non-Aryan group I would be wealthy. Rather now it will take me a bit longer to accomplish this. The main thing that has held me back is actually my family, neighbors etc. as well as listening to other people (who give me idiot advise always argued against my rational ideas etc.) at some point I realized that the people around me were idiots and stopped listening to them. Now I'm on the path to prosperity :-)

Of course as I wrote repeatedly there are countless programs for non-whites. Just because someone fails despite being given every opportunity doesn't mean they weren't given opportunity.

Again here we see a poor way of thinking above- "I don't believe you because you are a failure"

this is how 99% of people think. They just want a strong leader. Rather than actually believe things based on facts, reasoning, evidence etc.

One guy who won the lottery said people were coming to him for financial advise. He was just a retard that won the lottery as he said in his own words! At the same time a person with rational ideas will be doubted and slandered if he is weak.

This goes back to some of the self defeating and irrational behavior inherent in human psychology. I never thought this way so I found it strange. I guess I waste too much time being "logical".

But being logical is the only thing that will make a person successful. If you follow a rich or successful person most of them will simply exploit your sheep like nature and gullibility. It's better to practice reason.
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#57707 - 07/28/11 03:18 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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Poor thinking?

What I see is someone begging for help, promising nothing substantial in return. What I see is someone blaming everything but himself for his inability to accomplish what he desires. What I see is someone dismissing the fact plenty have accomplished what he desires without having their hand held. What I see is someone lost in excuses.

What I see is someone who will never accomplish anything until he learns to do himself what it takes without demanding assistance first. You are looking for a savior while clearly showing you have nothing which justifies being saved.

You don't want to learn how to fish, you just want the fish.

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#57708 - 07/28/11 03:40 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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Why do you assume I'm poor and weak? I suppose it must be from the introduction to my book. It seems all the criticism comes from this *feeling* If I tell you I know how you can double your income you should look at the logic of what I say not how wealthy I am. One example I doubled my investment in 2000 (stocks). Yet I only had $800 to put in. A richer person could easily have made a lot of money following my advise (and a lot of them did on the financial boards they thought I was a wealthy investor!!).

So what does how weak I am have anything to do with my ideas. That's the thing I just look for people who can do for themselves. Someone who is looking for a strong person to lean on seems to not be doing for himself! In a pack of wolves it shouldn't matter what your partner is.

If a member is a flaming fag I wouldn't care so long as he had some useful skill to contribute which bettered my own life. I don't need to lean on others. That's the point I'm trying to make. I work together because team work= power.

You don't see correctly.

a) I don't care if 99% of people don't join me. I don't expect them to. But in order to attract the one percent that are interested I must put myself out there.

b) I'm not asking for any kind of help. I am looking to meet up with people who have talents and can network and use them for mutual benefit. This is pretty normal stuff for successful people. I'm sorry that i don't move in "elite" circles and therefore present my material publicly.

c) I have promised substantial returns and benefits for anyone interested.

d) I make no excuses for myself. My entire focus is on results, not excuses.

e) I am dong for myself without assistance.

For example:

I am currently completing a bachelors degree. After that I will have income to invest and travel the world. I would like to travel and network with like minded people at this time. But I also have educated myself in real estate investment and have worked with a few investors and consulted with millionaires for advise.

I plan to invest. All by myself!! I don't need anyone. Yet if someone is interested I can pool resources and set up an LLC (which I have also already researched and consulted some people about) then we can create a joint investment project which will actually increase each investors yields.

So look at it this way:

if you can invest $10k alone and make a 10% return or invest 100k in pooled resources at a 12% yield then there is an obvious benefit. This is the entire premise of the stock market and the corporate structure. I'm sorry all of this is not obvious off hand but most people would rather dismiss me in the first five seconds rather than research further. I have also provided a large pile of reading material, a website, a forum, event calendar and other resources which will continue to be built up. We also have a private information data base full of FREE resources that interested members can use to DO PROJECTS ON THEIR OWN!

Likewise we are a community where everyone has each other's back. This is not because I'm a weakling. It's the point that I don't like to be f*cked with. It is far easier to take care of threats through a network than alone. This is to each other's mutual benefit.

Team work is not weakness. Though the common white culture of the working class is rampantly individualistic and can see no value in team work. This is why the white working class is marginalized, falling apart and weak compared to just about everyone in the world. I really don't care about that group of people though, but it just is the group that mainly I receive criticism from.

For example this post is simply about a better idea- a better way to think. At least in my opinion (as opposed to being a racist neo nazi or something) its a take it or leave it resource. No need in calling me an idiot if one disagrees.

Beyond this I will also specialize: I will hire a lawyer, a realtor etc. for jobs. I can't do everything myself. It's the common premise of civilization to work together and specialize. By doing this in a group of friend's who are well versed in each others talents and reputation it makes things far easier.


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#57709 - 07/28/11 03:53 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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But of course you are seeking help. The whole community you set up is a call for help. It just radiates through. You're looking for that 1% which by your own logic is Jew. They surely will be standing in line to invest.

Your talk about Jews is directed at white radicals who by definition aren't financial wizards, neither in ability, nor in resources. The market you target with your package is lower class, financial underachievers. You don't even realize this, else you'd have waved that whole Germanic concept goodbye.

So what does anyone actually gain from getting into business with you? No deal he can get elsewhere, under better circumstances.

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#74310 - 01/10/13 11:26 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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One of the great post war victories of International Socialism was to brand Nationalism as Evil and immediately equate any would be Nationalist with goose stepping NAZIs.

However, as most of the West slides into Third World status, there has been a Right Nationalist backlash.

No less a person than Conservative firebrand Micheal Savage is calling for a new Nationalist Party in the United States:

http://www.examiner.com/article/radio-ho...tle-republicans
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#74319 - 01/10/13 01:09 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Fist]
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I find the move towards Nationalism that is occurring by the Right to be a fascinating phenomenon. I think America has always had a very patriotic undercurrent to its society and the move to Nationalism is a logical 'next step' when looking at a lot of the issues the West and the US faces at this time.

I listen to Michael Savage and he's starting to take an Anti-Republican stance in a lot of his broadcasts. His lean towards Nationalism is interesting due to his level of popularity. A couple of nights ago he was dissing most conservative talk show hosts for being nothing more than shills for the Republicrats.

Michael Berry is another one that exhibits Nationalist leanings, but he's also moving towards being Pro-cession movement as well.
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#74321 - 01/10/13 01:28 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Fist]
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@Fist: I think in 2012, a lot is contingent on how we define the nation-state. Fuck the communists. I am curious how you would see this manifest in the US? I am a stone realist on these matters, but I have to leave the door open for all contingencies. As I look at DC, I tend to wonder if the union may no longer be viable at some point.

How do you see it?

PS: Borders, Language, Culture (Savage). My critique would center on the first and third. In particular, I saw a lot of cultural differences traversing the US. Reconcilable? Dunno. The increasing lack of federalism may be key.


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#74323 - 01/10/13 01:55 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Le Deluge]
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Well, the fact of the matter is we are close to the end of America as we know it. Maybe we have 5 years, maybe 10, maybe 20. On our current course, we will go thru something like what Greece is going thru and what the USSR went true in 1991. On the other side, we will look something like Russia - a Third World country with a large govt apparatus. Our economy cannot survive in it's current form - the de-industrialization of the US, and more than half of the country on some form of govt subsidy. We are beginning to see the kind of strain the Baby Boomers will put on the system. They should all be collecting Social Security within the next 10 years. We are fighting a global war without end and "defense" budgets are completely off the table. Most likely, we will try to print our way out of this crisis but at some point that will no longer be viable either.

Of course, all is not lost, but we needed to turn this ship around yesterday. The future will be bleak. The only question now is how bad will it be? If America can overcome the enormous military/industrial/congressional/media complex arrayed against it, then we may have a chance. But must happen soon. If not, NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE will like what emerges from the other side of this.

The only up side here is Americans are deeply skeptical about the future and the govts ability to solve problems. It is not an accident that over the last few years gun sales have been way up. Zombie apocalypse, total system collapse, preppers, have all been in the collective consciousness over the last few years. Americans 'sense' that something is deeply wrong and there is major event that we must prepare for. Man did not survive 500,000 years of evolution if we were not able to sense, on some level, catastrophe and prepare for it.
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#74325 - 01/10/13 02:15 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Fist]
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Is it really surprising there's a leaning towards Nationalism about everywhere? The whole globalization market is standing on weak foundations and trips as easily as a bend old man walking with a walking stick. The arising problems in one country easily affecting the others by which it is economically associated.

Protectionist/nationalist thought is bound to rise. People generally don't care if others are going down the drain.. but losing a part of their potential because of it becomes quite a hot issue.
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