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#57508 - 07/24/11 09:38 PM National Socialists
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I see a lot of posts from LHP people who seem to support or be sympathetic to national socialism or at least nationalism.

This is an interesting topic.

First I find the Nazis rather interesting for their use of propaganda, magick etc. Even the United States and Russia essentially copied most of their technologies and techniques for their effectiveness. Though modern neo-nazis, nationalists and racists don't even understand the basics of nazism (at least the ones that post online, make websites etc.) rather they are just rehashing the propaganda put out by nazis (along with a combination of thee evil racist stereotype propaganda put out by modern wester societies) rather than the actually understanding, much less advocating, the original nazi ideas. The nazi literature itself is filled with a lot of contradictions and holes.

About national socialism: I used to post on stormfront and skadi. I was banned from both sites for "trolling". Rather instead I was bringing up legitimate criticism. I can't understand the mindset of 99% of humanity which has no interest in improving themselves, criticism etc.

Originally what attracted me to these sites was what seemed to be an elitism- higher standards, doing better than others. Over time I saw the "supremacy" was a thinly vieled form of weakness (more or less Marxism- a desire to live in a non competitive society).

I believe some of the points that I discovered may not be obvious and are seldom mentioned. Yet may be useful in constructing one's own philosophy.

*Nationalism- leads to stagnation. Nations must expand or contract through wars. This creates an environment of constat warfare (like the nation state period of Europe). It is more practical for communities to organize tribally and simply win and lose territory peacefully in the business field and so on. It leads to greater over all wealth for everyone, rather than bombing cities only to rebuild them.

* Racism is rather impractical because it is based on ancestry. A person is including people in their *ingroup* who are not racist, and often opposed to them. This alone is absolutely stupid. Likewise any moron, failure, defect etc. can be of the same race. What is the point? If you have basically no standards why be racist? I don't understand how skin color could be more important than intelligence or any other useful criteria.

*hate & antagonism- it accomplishes nothing. The true predator doesn't threaten, rather he strikes and kills. Meanwhile the weak losers try to have "tough" sounding names, threaten everyone and shout about their supremacy. This actually causes law enforcement to watch them, people to attack them etc. which leaves them worse than before. It seems like the total manifestation of stupidity. This is to such an extreme that I wonder if many internet racists are real people or rather people posting as a joke (I don't understand how people that stupid and careless could successfully put together a website or forum for instance). I suspect many of them are Jews posting as racists in order to justify another billion dollars to israel from the German government or another "tolerance" program in our schools.


And there are others. For me tribalism seems to be much more natural and logical. Essentially it would be Judaism, but applied to any other group which chooses it. A tribe is based on consensual membership. People choose to associate with the tribe. But a tribe can also set standards of who it accepts. Tribalism does not need a government or nation to protect its identity- they do it themselves via a diaspora if necessary. And so on.

It seems to me that internet nationalism actually harms white people by creating justification for more racist programs which discriminate against whites (affirmative action, white guilt programs etc.) so if these people are for real, they are their own worst enemy! I think anybody who hates whites should write all the internet nazis a thank you letter.
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#57510 - 07/24/11 10:20 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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I hope you see the joke here:

 Originally Posted By: Thule
*Racism is rather impractical because it is based on ancestry. A person is including people in their *ingroup* who are not racist, and often opposed to them. This alone is absolutely stupid. Likewise any moron, failure, defect etc. can be of the same race. What is the point? If you have basically no standards why be racist? I don't understand how skin color could be more important than intelligence or any other useful criteria.

AND

I suspect many of them are Jews posting as racists in order to justify another billion dollars to israel from the German government or another "tolerance" program in our schools.


It's quite funny really.

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#57519 - 07/25/11 12:40 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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‘how does hitler use black magic in triumph of the will? I'm interested in this.’

I received the above personal message from Thule in relation to Adolph Hitler.

To be honest I don’t know you all that well Thule and so I am reluctant to answer your question.

I know the old timers here, such as the Familiars and the Moderators and the other long terms guys, and they have my respect. They have the maturity and the perspective to understand these sorts of questions and the possible range of answers.

I don’t want to hand a loaded gun to anybody, who may not know how to handle loaded guns safely and properly (even though what I have to offer may not be a loaded gun at all) so I must decline your request.

You can buy and study this film yourself, if this area interests you.

I recently posted something here at the 600C which dealt with my particular thoughts on forces, black magic, systems of meaning, and historical events and individuals.

I rather regret posting those thoughts here now. They were really intended for those who have the maturity to regard them for what they are – thoughts, with a possible practical application for ethical ends only. They represent years of my thinking and experience and are not for messing around with at all.

The black magicians, I highly regard, are ethical individuals. They tend to stress control, pragmatism, responsibility, real world success and have a law and order focus and this is how it should be.

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#57523 - 07/25/11 07:59 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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I'd posit that Thule knows people think for themselves. He's highlighted some aspects that may or may not influence reform and revaluation of National Socialists. However, I see deeper concern gone into the predicted course of what he has highlighted so well, this thread, so far, is impressive.

It is around the affirmation of a lacking that ought to provoke action toward improvement.

We can see how impractical it was to follow the Nazi aesthetic of power for underprivileged young males. While we can observe a mirrored Judaic attitude moving through modern National Socialism, these underprivileged males are colouring racism with the Nazi rhetoric presented by almost 70 years of Judeo-Christian "education". Just as the state wants them to; controlled opposition.

We can observe Nazism as a first choice image rebellion in these times. Where is an actual adaptation of National Socialist ideology?

A nature core of base primitive ideals; the will to power, resounded with complete conviction, ad nauseam, firmly and loudly, until the reader feels what is behind the superficiality of words, in his own most inner instincts. Why would anything spoken from the heart, to the heart, need be anything but insight. Mein Kampf stems from the nature of the will to power, and so it is that which is to be regarded as evil by conventional morality. Of what is residual of despicableness abounds National Socialism these days is not itself, evilness, but a lacking of Nobility.

I am not a Nazi, I do not associate myself with the political shambles of controlled opposition on offer nor is their cause for an interest in what is passed off as democracy. I favour Nietzschean ideals and indo-European values, learning more about Germanic warrior ethos, Germanic Heathenry.

When I bought a copy of Mein Kampf, I relaxed at the Waterstones cafe' where there was quite a lavish variety in female presence, you know, different races, cultures, and so perfumes. I had refrained from giving in to the smell of fresh cream cakes, but the atmosphere was grabbing my attention enough to order a large coffee. I relaxed into the evening. Just before my departure; there, some quite stern gazes from various males, of differing racial credos; I drank the rest of my second coffee in spite of the intimate disgust; for the first to define himself suitable would surely ruin my pleasant evening by imposing a visit to the cells as consequence. Regardless I made my departure, if not for the sake of the book having become boring, for the sake of respect for public ignorance abounds a genuine interest in its study. I still haven't read the majority of the book for favouring Nietzsche and various research into lore in my evenings. Still, it was what I recognised beneath the evidently mundane intention of dead words, that gave rise to some degree of insight.

No matter what race somebody is, no matter what religion or credos, I have no time to merit attention to the negative and weak. Why? I have better to affirm, positive aims, college, appreciation for aesthetic and appreciation of the opposite sex, attaining fitness goals etc. When the will to power is realised as prime motivator, everything becomes less abstract, clear; there is no need to formalise things into abstraction beyond what is most intuitive of purpose; males would meet conclusion for inconveniencing me, regardless of superficial personals like race; they so eager to hear apologetic reprise. Likewise for so called neo-Nazi's whom lack will power and self discipline, preferring to "feel" powerful by naysaying other races, blacks, Arabs, Mexicans that aren't even to do with the design to deconstruct indo-European culture and values.

I can only affirm a life affirming way of life. I feel love as fury. The sovereign individuals Weltanschauung against the mundane accusations of all and every group focused enmity.
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#57524 - 07/25/11 08:12 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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In relation to National Socialism and aristocratic theory and Satanism holding more than connotations to such.

What is Noble?

If we are dumbed down to work with the ambiguous word "evil" and its negative and positive admixture of connotations, we must again ask, what is evil to a Satanist?

The connection between evil and "otherness". We could look at things like so:

Culture. Our beliefs. Good —— Nature. Otherness. Evil.

Obviously, outside of conventional morality, positive aspects of Nature. Otherness. Evil are assimilated into Culture. Our beliefs. Good.

But wheat is positive and what is detrimental?

Now, that Nature and Evil are seen as both the same frightening phenomena along with Otherness, that which is the unknown to us, we as individuals are the only ones, ourselves, that can confer what is despicable of evil and what is noble of evil. Master morality.

Culture. Beliefs. Good would not be restricted to conventional morality for a Satanist, but open to what his/her own Nature, from which his/her Master morality shall bestow value, and so Nature and Evil shall not be regarded as Otherness, but part of Culture. Beliefs. Good. The Master would confer honour to the despicable? Surely not. Although some might champion a king of petty liberties. What care do we for they but to crush them.

What is despicable? — Ineptitude, pettiness, you know, disgust inducing shit like the apathetic murder of children, that's pretty despicable and peasantry wouldn't you say? Noble? If so, how so? If you've slept through the indiscriminate pollution of the world by Judeo-Christianity, its source of hatred lies in fear of the natural and this is no more than a profound uneasiness to the presence of reality.

Would I be correct to posit that a maternal instinct is natural and that a masculine instinct to protect women and children would be Natural?

Would I be correct to posit that misogyny and child abuse are the despicableness of effeminate, peasantry males that Nature has turned her face from and forsaken?

Violence in any form repulses most. For a others, revenge is like pure cocaine. But you know, considering everything something does is it's will to power, there are those of us who are repulsed by a much to vulgar a display of power.

What is exemplary of strength and high-mindedness? What is Noble?
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#57531 - 07/25/11 10:25 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Hegesias]
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When discussing Nationalism as an 'ism' one must first look at what a nation is. Quite simply, a nation is language, borders, and culture.

The current rise in Right Nationalism in the West is the direct result of a few very specific problems. Firstly, through Globalism, a lot of the opportunity, stability, and guarantees in the Social Contract are gone. Western workers are forced to compete with the denizens of the Third World in the global marketplace. Quite simply, a lot opportunity for Western workers is gone because the West has higher standards of pay, working conditions, safety, and environmental protection. This has caused a lot of resentment among Western workers.

To add insult to injury, a lot of trade and skilled labor jobs have been taken over by cheap, lower skilled, undocumented migrant workers. Employers are quick to hire these people because, from their POV, they do about the same job, complain less, don't go on strike, are cheaper, and do not demand good working conditions.

In many cases, the now unemployed Western worker is also forced to compete with these foreign invaders for various forms of social welfare. For generations, the Western worker and his kin have paid into and built this highly developed civilization and it's social safety net. Now, he must stand in line with the teaming masses of the worlds underclass just to see a doctor or get his unemployment check. These Third Worlders come with many children and have many more, putting further stress and strain on public resources that have never once paid into.

Historically, immigrants have made every effort to assimilate into the dominant culture. This is not longer the case. In the US, Hispanic immigrants continue to maintain close ties and allegiance with their mother country, and feel no need to learn the English language. Europe has a similar problem with Muslim immigrants, but to make matters worse, the Muslims are trying to instate Sharia Law into the European legal system. This problem is further compounded by a concerted effort by immigrant groups to actual out-breed the Western population on the order of 5:1 in some cases.

Now, to anyone who still doesn't understand what is causing the rise in Nationalism from the US, across Europe, and into Russia, I ask you, what part of this do you not understand?
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#57535 - 07/25/11 11:39 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Fist]
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To add insult to injury, a lot of trade and skilled labor jobs have been taken over by cheap, lower skilled, undocumented migrant workers.


Why is it that the only people I ever see mentioning this are people who work jobs that are free from this problem? No migrant worker is taking the good, high paying jobs. I've done labor for years and if I really want to (and there is work to be done) I can easily get on a construction crew.

Perhaps if people were better at their jobs they wouldn't be so easily replaceable. I think it says more about the person who loses their job to someone who can't even speak English than it does about the person who "takes" the job.

And, in the end, isn't the real problem with the people who hire the undocumented workers rather than the workers themselves? If I am in dire need of cash I will take an "illegal" job over nothing at all.

Of course, one could always just go to school, get an education and obtain a job where they wont have to worry about such a thing. Even you, Fist, have a job where you don't have to worry about losing it to an illegal immigrant.

I do, however, agree with the rest of what you said.
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#57544 - 07/25/11 01:14 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Perhaps if people were better at their jobs they wouldn't be so easily replaceable. I think it says more about the person who loses their job to someone who can't even speak English than it does about the person who "takes" the job.


Now I have both been in the position where Ive seen natives loose their job to cheap labour force and I have also been an immigrant working for shit money.

It has nothing to do with being easily replacable or how skilled one is at doing a certain job. A great example is the Polish people who come to more wealthy countries in Europe and work as carpenters and such. In Sweden they come for 6 month during the warm summer months. They share a house, reduce their living costs to nothing but is also paid alot less. They do not demand better pay and they do not demand better conditions since they know they make a shit load more in Sweden than they do in Poland. Then they go back to Poland for the winter and live on their earnings from Sweden. Smart? Yes, from their perspective. (Note: Swedes sometimes do the same but we go to Norway to work).

In England its more common that Polish people settle down but the same rings true there. They used to work for alot less money and had no demands on better working conditions (which english carpenters were used to). The interesting thing is that since the Polish people are now more integrated in England they have started to demand certain things because now they arent the cheap labour anymore. Other, new, immigrants have taken that role. They say this and admit to it themselves (I know I used to share a flat with a Polish guy whod been in England 10 - 15 years).

It has nothing to do with how skilled you are at what you do. It is all about companies cutting the costs on all levels. Of course Swedes or Englishmen will be pissed off when they have worked for certain rights, wages and working conditions and in a few years it is all overhauled because other people do not have the same demands. With free moveability within the EU this has actually become a major problem in certain areas of work.

Because everything is also less stable in regards to how long a person is employed and language difficulties the work and end result does tend to suffer. So to get it properly done people usually have to pay way more than they used to to hire a stable native company that knows what they do but also has to charge alot more for the same services.

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#57549 - 07/25/11 02:08 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: TheInsane]
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Hegesias: I have the same ideas as you. However I have read mein kampf. It is about the will to power and has some good sections. Most of it is boring though because it is poorly organized and jumps from subject to subject.

The problem here is that in the recent past the government, the owners of capital etc. in the west were socially responsible. they paid people good wages etc. Now they don't care and simply take advantage of people whenever they can and exploit people for personal gain.

Here's the problem- people should not depend on the nation to protect them. They should organize themselves in groups that are responsible and beneficial to them (this means being rooted in small scale communities). Precisely as Jews have always done, and have really excelled at in recent history.

Let's use a simple example:

The British Nationalist Party. They are a small minority, but want the entire nation to go to their ideas. They want to kick all the non-Brits out of the nation or something similar. They dream of this grand scheme where the whole world changes to suit their needs.

They know they can't succeed. Most of these people simply like to attach themselves to failed causes. It is a manifestation of a loser attitude.

By contrast a logical solution would be to create a "BNP" tribe. This means they accept only people who meet their criteria. Then they actively work to preserve their own people, their own interests etc. All of them can live quite well in some gated british community while the rest of the world goes to hell. There is no need to change the whole world when they can just change their own situation. Their race, culture etc. is all preserved BY THEMSELVES. Rather instead they want the government to protect them. They want the whole world to change. And to do this they threaten everyone else that doesn't agree with them.

They spend most of their time arguing with others and seem to take joy in being hated by everyone. It gives them some sense of importance I guess.

To me, this was the natural evolution of "nationalism" to take into "tribalism". Of course me myself I'm focused on results and bettering myself. I've come to the conclusion that the entire "WN" movement certainly is not about doing better or self improvement (or helping society etc.).

As posted above by Hegsias all those interests of Germanic warrior ethic etc. can be preserved in a tribal group that doesn't need to force itself on everyone else.

For example they can buy a business and pay each other high wages. Again without depending on the whole world to change to suit them. Instead the people can't do for themselves, because they are losers apparently.

I'm just amazed that it seems only everybody but whites are onto tribalism.

I have researched hundreds of Asian groups in the United States alone. They help Asians get jobs, they advocate for them, they build asian communities etc. Black people have similar programs NAACP, Jews certainly have it, every group does.

But I could not find NOT ONE such group for whites. I only found these retarded groups started by white neo-nazis.

The funny thing is the only thing I can conclude from these experiences is the total inferiority of whites?? It seems to be an odd reality.

Anyway that's basically one aspect of the group I'm always advocating. But the point of this thread is to simply point out *a better path* for those interested in ethnic preservation, European cultural ethnos etc.

It's rather a waste of energy to get caught up in the white nationalists circles.

It has taken me a long time to develop this whole thought system as well simply because it doesn't exist. For some odd reason you don't see it out there (at least not for European culture).
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#57567 - 07/25/11 11:57 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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What you have expressed can only be positive, saying yes to something independently formed rather than naysaying for everyone. Well, you said it best. I posted something about tribalism on the "Unification Left Path" or something thread, anyway, wolfpack ethos.

This conjecture was partly influenced by Satanists reactions to events of homicide and got me motivated to write about drives and what motivates the absurdity of our civilisation.

Unfortunately the following also explains how any of my social experiments would end in utter mayhem. Regardless I can offer my views for others to pick out the merit, if any, or if not only for reduction sake to think for themselves.

Satanist oftentimes scowl at words like "wolfpack ethos" they may even point and scream "herd mentality!". Sure I'm in the cult of the individual, but after decades of being that way, one realises no friends are here because one is a malignant Narcissist without the predilection to surround oneself with obsequious sycophants.

The Narcissist is an inverse god, sacrificing everything so that his idealisations should eventually satiate him, yet he is insatiable. The malignant Narcissist becomes to a distorted vision of the Nietzschean overman. Ones unconscious is ones conscious and so one is prone to act on innate drives. I'm simply attending college for personal trainer diploma level 3, I workout religiously, write music. Just an ordinary, mentally maladjusted, failure who is not really all that oblivious to his own condition anymore. \:\)

But hey, it depends on what you value in life, my partner in crime, she reflects quite the same modus disequilibrium. Before people jump to conclusions and point saying "how awful" take a look at yourselves.



Conjecture.

If we look at the animal kingdom we can observe ourselves correctly. Look at the way aristocracy works, its hierarchy. Wolves, lions, predators, like us; they work in packs and identify with their likeness, their females, their males— individuals fall in line working toward the same goals common to their nature, same species. Grey wolf, black wolf, white wolf, still wolf. Only other species are targeted for prey. Same species predators sometimes, by accident, kill one another out of necessity, but they never seek out to do this on purpose, unless, in rare situations of overcrowding and food scarcity.

In a similar way a malignant Narcissist is just a force of Nature with a very limited range of emotions. I know because I am one. I operate on an emotional level of an animal with two primary motivating emotions "fear and rage" this is not to say there is anything meek about my reactions as pre emptive is always the vanguard. The Narcissist does not deliberately cause the emotional upset around him. He is a force of Nature; just what it is, it can't help what it is. It does what it does, it is cruel. Society's source of hatred is against Nature, and this is no more than uneasiness in the presence of reality.

We make ourselves look and act a certain way to fit in with a group. Other humans will make themselves look and act another way that differentiates them from the other group. I'd posit that this, unconsciously, cultivates our natures necessity of predation. But, of this, we "hunt" our own species? Absurdity.

We have the absurd anomaly about our consciousness that enables us to "trick" ourselves into sighting "prey" in our own kind. Because of equality pathos and peace and love for all and every being imposed from the minute we are born, this creates unnatural pretence, suppressed natures go unseen and evidently emerge.

The "identifiability" of otherness, of socio anarchy, causes us to act pre emptively to "identifiable" threats or likewise "prey".
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#57576 - 07/26/11 12:48 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Hegesias]
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Merit stands on its own two feet. Nazi's are the epic of fail.
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#57580 - 07/26/11 01:25 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Zach_Black]
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That is sort of a contradiction. In some ways Nazis were extremely successful. The average racist of today certainly could not take over a nation and conquer most of Europe. Yet in the end they bit off more than they could chew. To try and to fail seems more admirable to me than someone too cowardly to attempt anything. Failure does not mean weakness, only defeated by a stronger opponent.

Yet at the same time I think about these people who cling to Nazi beliefs which seems odd they cling so much to a totally failed and defeated institution. So I guess you are right in that respect.

Heg: Firstly admitting your inferiority is the first step to any true progress. Secondly people often call me narcissistic even though I'm not. I am one of the most group oriented, socially responsible people in society. It's just that I have self confidence and see many people as inferior. Because they don't like people who seem stronger or more confident than them, as a matter of will to power, people will call the others "selfish" and "narcissistic" in reality many of the Christians, bleeding heart liberals etc. are the most selfish people. They simply try to appear caring on the outside for their own selfish gain and really don't care about how their actions harms the society around them. They simply like to maintain this feeling of a non-competitive world, meanwhile consuming every resource they can with little regard for the collective well being.

Anyone who really cared about others would promote a competitive spirit and culture of supremacy. this would then strengthen the collective's achievement. But since most people feel weak and like they can't compete they have to crawl in this illusion of "altruism" its not real altruism.

Just because i'm disgusted by someone else's stupidity or lack of character doesn't make me self centered.

So when people say they are narcissistic I wonder if they truly are or if they are simply the kind of person that offends the sheep.

Of course I openly claim to look out for my self interests. This probably makes me more altruistic than all the people claiming to help others, but in reality taking what they can when no one is looking, stabbing people in the back while wearing a smile etc.



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#57583 - 07/26/11 02:31 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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You get the joke, how refreshing. Back into the fucking cave of illusions to free the prisoners there. \:\)

Now as to National Socialist Germany being a failure, I can't see how being defeated by the odds whilst giving 100% is a failure. The National Socialist meme succeeded every other meme in Europe at that time. Even after being handed the last remaining dregs from the free for all Versailles goody bag.

What we have in abundance today is not ideological National Socialism but illiterate Nazism, a bastardised controlled opposition created by 70 years of media education and academia cloaking Judeo-Christian morality in a white lab coat. Underprivileged and frustrated young men flock to Nazism.

National Socialist Germany had Black, Asian and Arab soldiers, and so non-Germans fought under the Swastika, all troops were treated the same as any other soldier, the privates slept and ate in the same barracks as the generals, this was to create a genuine bond between the men. Quite unlike the barracks situation in America.

The Judeo religious supremacy was the enemy and that ideology included racism against all whom were not Jewish, the term Jewish being ambiguous as to race or religion, it is unclear and serves the ideology further. The National Socialist propaganda was a direct attack at the racial supremacy found in the Talmud. A basic tenet of Satanism; the images and ideology of a particular ethos is used against itself.


A different ideology is impositioning today. Multiculturalism is not about African, Chinese, Arab or Jewish folks etc. those folk were always here after the war with no problems, just people in the street getting on with their lives as individuals. We know what multiculturalism is a vehicle for.

The old National Socialist image is defunct and carries too many negative connotations in current society. Bring the indo-European culture to the forefront and assert values rather than flock to what is subverted and ambiguous imagery.

@Thule. I appreciate your ideal of actualising a tribal community of like minded individuals recognising the same indo-European culture and values. Rather than being negative to other cultures.


I can see something way suspect in politics. Why do Nationalist representatives never ever raise indo-European values in conferences, instead they sit there sheepishly letting all manner of mundane accusations about racism come from all sides. Looks deliberate to me, unless they actually feel its all about racism?

I could be considered "racialist" which is very a different thing than "racism". I could immediately express aesthetic value for aspects I recognise as unique to different races. People may not consider weight training to be related to aestheticism but to me it is, like a sculptor of a Noble statue, sculpting ones own body, a healthy somatic Narcissism. Racialism is related to Aestheticism and not some kind of race hypochondria. The aesthetic of different races of women is part of the aesthetic of culture and nature together, as one of the most valued aspects in my life, I love women, I idealise women, of all races, the callipygian figure, I simply favour porcelain complexion, massive jet-black hair and dark eyes. That does not mean I am racist, I just don't favour blondes. \:\)
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#57585 - 07/26/11 03:23 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Hegesias]
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
National Socialist Germany had Black, Asian and Arab soldiers, and so non-Germans fought under the Swastika, all troops were treated the same as any other soldier, the privates slept and ate in the same barracks as the generals, this was to create a genuine bond between the men. Quite unlike the barracks situation in America.


Actually this is not completely true. While it is true they had different nationalities and "races" joining their forces, the acceptance and tolerance of them was based upon pure practicality while they were still considered inferior races. The Muslims, as an example, had to be convinced by bending the truth slightly and upholding the idea their race wasn't considered inferior.

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#57586 - 07/26/11 03:30 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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Something like this? The persecution of fat guys in the army is worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OZS6wem7OQ
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#57588 - 07/26/11 03:53 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Hegesias]
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And how is this related to my comment Nazis weren't that racially tolerant?

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#57590 - 07/26/11 04:20 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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Just sarcasm and trying to push a good movie to people. \:\)

I can't say if they were even remotely racially tolerant because Hitler was a certain personality type, his followers were under his influence. He was also a sexual sadist so I suppose this aggression came out in his ideology after he went impotent?

For me it's a mixed ball, I'm just one to cast off the negative in things and see what I can use. In those times I suppose the power went to their heads, the reaction to the Jewish threat spewed out over into other areas.

This leads me to my personal opinion, that Hitler ought to have stayed in Germany and fortified a genuine National Socialist country and defended instead of invaded.

What do you think? You and Thule and others are more knowledgeable with this.
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#57592 - 07/26/11 04:37 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Hegesias]
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Actually France and the UK started WW2 by declaring war on Germany. The reason was not to save Poland, since they never declared war on Russia. The UK also wasn't bothered when Italy moved into Ethiopia. The reason was purely political; Germany was becoming a too important player in Europe. All those millions that died are a direct result of the UK and France declaring war, not because those evil Nazis were devouring all of Europe or doing bad things to those poor Jews. None cared about the Jews.

Was Hitler mad? Not really, just a child of his time toying with the ideas of his time. Things were not to different elsewhere in Europe.

But they were strict on which race was inferior and which not. In the Middle East, only a specific Berber tribe was considered Aryan. In Europe, also not all were considered superior races. And in the army they had a racial policy although practically they had to bend the rules to gain the numbers needed in a war of this magnitude. The Waffen SS was quite strict but allowed volunteers from other aryan nations. The Wehrmacht didn't matter too much at the level of race, as long as specific ones were avoided.

I also advise you to look for information affirming German soldiers were commanded by higher ranking non-Germans. I think you'll have a hard time finding that.

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#57597 - 07/26/11 05:45 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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Hitler had to attack the soviet union. the whole philosophy of the USSR was world domination and Germany was next in path. Might as well strike first.

Germany also begged England to be an ally. But Jews were pulling the strings in England so yeah actually the anti-semetism was a reason that the US and England got involved.

Also Hitler was financed by Jewish bankers. Politicians in England and the US sat back and let him grow in power, then at the last minute created a terrible war (which wouldn't have been so close if started earlier).

This all seemed to work out quite well for the zionists who used the war to get England to grant what would become the state of israel to them.

It all seems staged for Jewish interests.

What is interesting is the Nazis actually created the worlds strongest economy and had other great achievements in such a short period of time.

However I would never have wanted to live in the stat. It is basically Christianity but instead of jesus they worship Hitler. It was a cult of personality where people were discouraged from thinking or objecting.
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#57601 - 07/26/11 06:28 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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Operation Barbarossa started in 1941 when Germany was already at war with the UK and France, so the argument that he asked England for help but was rejected is false. The invasion of Russia was to create Lebensraum; remove the native population and repopulate with Germans. All the rest was propaganda.

PS: During WW2 Winston Churchill was prime minister of England and he's not known as the notorious Jew lover so all this shit about Jews is just bollocks.

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#57635 - 07/27/11 12:21 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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He writes about allying with England in mein kampf years before any of this happened. It was always his goal. They continually tried this through countless operations and pleas to England both before and during the war.

National Socialism was founded as a reaction against Communism. At the time Communism was a very real threat of taking over Germany.

It is rather interesting though the Hitler writes about envisioning a sort of "united states of Europe" and essentially he modern EU has taken up Hitlers vision albeit in a different fashion. So who knows without the threat of communism they probably would have been trying to secure some kind of peaceful alliance similar to the EU. however there was a fundamental difference and conflict between communist ideology and national socialist.
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#57636 - 07/27/11 12:30 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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What he wrote in Mein Kampf about an alliance with the UK does not provide any credibility for your argument that he asked England to be an ally for Operation Barbarossa. If you check the time-line, you'd notice that the Blitz was before Barbarossa and as such, the suggestion he asked them is rather ridiculous. Only a moron bombs them first and then asks them to help.

So, the UK Jew story is crap.

Also in Mein Kampf he already mentioned the necessity of invading the East to create Lebensraum. Slavics were inferior, so replacing them was only the right to do. Russia was no threat and it was not until invaded, it started to intensely build up its war machine.

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#57643 - 07/27/11 01:45 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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http://www.thephora.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-38564.html

interesting. I guess you could be right on the whole russian thing. You seem a little too defensive of "Jews". Do you really believe the wealthiest group in the country had no influence? I actually found a book written by Jews bragging about how they organized the Jewish community in England in the early twentieth century. I can't find the book now. Britain could have easily allied with Germany. Their only conflict was ideology. Germany had no goal to attack or invade Britain.
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#57644 - 07/27/11 01:56 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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Defensive? I could give a rat's ass about Jews, their holocaust included. But seeing people blame their own incompetence upon Jews each time is enervating. Everything wrong in the world is to blame on those pesky Jews, they're in control, they dominate, they manipulate. Oh the Protocols of Zion warned us but we fools did not listen.

Learn to realize that it is WE who are the source of everything wrong. It is WE who just let shit happen and think crying about it makes it somehow better.

Blaming the Jews is the same as a slave blaming the master. The slave is a slave because he submits.

That Jew thing is just an excuse to dodge responsibility.

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#57645 - 07/27/11 02:14 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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I don't believe in blaming Jews at all. I don't follow that WN line of though. I do believe Jews control the affairs of the world, have most of the money etc. This is all easily verified through a little research. Of course they aren't all controlling, but rather have more influence than any other ethnic group.

Rather than complain about this I would rather learn from them and organize and act in a similar way. Actually independently I seem to think of similar ways to act, then the majority of non-Jews I meet seem to resist these logical ways of acting with all their might. Maybe its because I have some Jewish ancestry, I don't know. It seems like common sense to me, but only Jews seem to organize to further their own interests.

Yes I agree whites are the source of all the problems that whites face. They are unfit for survival generally and refuse to improve. Instead of improving they make excuses for failure (which makes them fail even more). I agree totally. At the same time its dangerous to underestimate certain people who may be working against your own interests.
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#57647 - 07/27/11 02:34 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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 Originally Posted By: Thule
I do believe Jews control the affairs of the world, have most of the money etc. This is all easily verified through a little research.


The 10 Richest People in the World (Forbes 2011)

No. 1: Carlos Slim Helú & family
No. 2: Bill Gates
No. 3: Warren Buffett
No. 4: Bernard Arnault
No. 5: Larry Ellison
No. 6: Lakshmi Mittal
No. 7: Amancio Ortega
No. 8: Eike Batista
No. 9: Mukesh Ambani
No. 10: Christy Walton & family

How many Jews do you count?

Now, I agree that many Jews are doing well financially and this is indeed partly because of their culture but at the same time, they do not act different from any other. Not all Jews are the concern of all Jews and neither do they have a Jewish agenda regarding world domination.

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#57658 - 07/27/11 06:51 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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 Originally Posted By: Thule
I don't believe in blaming Jews at all. I don't follow that WN line of though. I do believe Jews control the affairs of the world, have most of the money etc.


You believe they control the world, have most of the money, yet you don't hold them responsible for anything?

 Originally Posted By: Thule
Rather than complain about this I would rather learn from them and organize and act in a similar way.


Get together with a few friends and "act Jewish"?

 Originally Posted By: Thule
It seems like common sense to me, but only Jews seem to organize to further their own interests.


Disproved by ... well, pretty much any other group ever.

 Originally Posted By: Thule
Yes I agree whites are the source of all the problems that whites face. They are unfit for survival generally and refuse to improve. Instead of improving they make excuses for failure (which makes them fail even more).


What about white Jews? All generalizations are bad.

You are a retard. Like any other emotionally-based rationalizer, you see patterns where there are none in an attempt to dodge responsibility for the hard work of investigating and thinking for yourself and acting to further your own ends. Stop wasting your energy on useless conspiracy theories and go achieve something.
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#57663 - 07/27/11 09:11 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Autodidact]
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LOL! Why do I think someone is probably going to break out their personal copy of THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION and quote it page for page?

THE JEWS!!!!! Yes!!! THE!!! JEWS!!!!!

Geez.
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#57673 - 07/28/11 12:31 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Autodidact]
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Rather than complain about this I would rather learn from them and organize and act in a similar way.


You remind me of a story I read somewhere; once when a Jewish educational society met with some visiting Japanese gentlemen, they were astonished when one of the Japanese gave them a signed copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", saying how much the Japanese admired the Jews because they controlled the media and politics and had the world at their fingertips. Needless to say, it was a rather awkward moment, and many facepalms were had.

People who refer to "THE JEWS" like some faceless conspiratorial force with a hidden agenda clearly understand nothing about the Jewish cultural group or the basic principles of sociology. There are liberal Jews, conservative Jews, secular Jews, kind-of-liberal-but-not-really Jews, and everything in between. Like Christians, Muslims, and all other such categorizations, they are all fragmented and usually hate each other. The stereotype of the rich, liberal, American Jew in the media business is miles away from the equally-popular stereotype of the conservative, militant Zionist who lobbies for unwavering support of Israel. Conspiracy theorists think that they secretly work together, but chances are if you put the two together in a room, they'd be more likely to tear the other to pieces.

It would be more fair and accurate to refer specifically to said "militant Zionists" as many have tried, but too often it gets too verbose for them so they slip back into the pejorative mantra of "JEWS! JEWS! JEEEEEEWWWWS!!!"

The world is "run" by a disjointed mob of dictators who pretend to have some sort of common "cause" or "agenda", but really are just waiting to stab each other in the back the moment the political thermometer drops a notch. The recent revolutions in the Middle East are evidence enough, if the past 10,000-year history of humanity hasn't convinced you. Nobody's pulling the strings, except in your head.


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#57678 - 07/28/11 01:56 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: The Zebu]
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The world is "run" by a disjointed mob of dictators who pretend to have some sort of common "cause" or "agenda", but really are just waiting to stab each other in the back the moment the political thermometer drops a notch. The recent revolutions in the Middle East are evidence enough, if the past 10,000-year history of humanity hasn't convinced you. Nobody's pulling the strings, except in your head.


I think I must say I agree with this point. Also I would concur that racists blame their failure on other ethnic groups. And I would like to point out that, even though I disagree with certain religioun-biased ideologies such as Zionism, I do not have any problem with people with different ethnic backgrounds such as Jews. Yet, check out this link!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XbMmmKjM_s


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#57692 - 07/28/11 09:16 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: a. don]
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Jewish groups are well organized and look out for the interests of other Jews. Similar types of organizations exist for other ethnicities (NAACP) which were started by Jews. Also Asian groups, hispanic etc. exist. However none compare with Jewish organization. There is no such organization for non-Jewish white people (Aryans). There is no conspiracy but simply using the words of Jews themselves and their own websites. These networks are dedicated to helping other Jews, Jewish interests etc. There is a well funded "Jewish lobby" in washington.

By contrast Bill Gates gets rich because of his own hard work an intelligence. Not because of the color of his skin. Meanwhile many Jews and non-whites have advantages and help based solely on their ethnicity. How is it organized:

The Jewish Federation is a global organization which united, networks and helps Jews:

http://www.jewishfederations.org/

The ADL, an organization formed to look out for the interests of Jews trains and directs law enforcement! Imagine if the KKK was training and directing law enforcement!

B'nai B'rith is an organiztion started to look out for Jewish interests. It sits at the table of the UN. No other racist group plays a prominent role in the UN (in all other cases nations play a role, not "advocacy" groups)

As it calls itself "the global voice of Jewish people"

http://bnaibrith.org/

There is no "global voice of white people". This is in their own words not mine. It's simple reality, whether you want to believe in it or not.

You can believe the world is just and fair all you want. I don't care what you believe. I just look to find a few people living in reality who are results oriented- that is they want to work to increase their own wealth, power, influence and general quality of life.

It's a simple formula- team work= success. If you don't believe that is true I will not waste my time arguing with you. I don't really care what you believe. I just look to have a conversation with people who share some of my views so we can move forward and continue to empower each other with information and relevant strategies.

And yes of cours I have known many Jews. They often aren't even aware of all these organizations. Nonetheless they benefit from it through "advocacy"
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#57694 - 07/28/11 10:00 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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Maybe you should explain me then why 15% of the Jews in the USA are poor?

I mean, surely, from birth they do get all the goodies from those organisations not?

You know what the problem is? You can't handle the fact you don't get things on a silver platter. So while you're begging on the virtual highway, holding up a sign "help me, I'm needy", you look at everyone else that did earn their shit and consider that unjust. Because you got nothing, they can't but got theirs without doing effort.

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#57698 - 07/28/11 11:11 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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About national socialism: I used to post on stormfront and skadi. I was banned from both sites for "trolling". Rather instead I was bringing up legitimate criticism. I can't understand the mindset of 99% of humanity which has no interest in improving themselves, criticism etc.

Stormfront is a worldwide network for any extreme right individual. While it is being described as one of the most controverse websites in the world (after quite some lawsuits) it is filled with loonies and right wing drones. Been there, done that. Skadi is about the same. If you don't put up with some of their crazy conspiracy ideas, then you're trolling.

But at the looks of your past posts I'm pretty sure it was simply sheer stupidity which got your ass kicked.

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* Racism is rather impractical because it is based on ancestry. A person is including people in their *ingroup* who are not racist, and often opposed to them. This alone is absolutely stupid. Likewise any moron, failure, defect etc. can be of the same race. What is the point? If you have basically no standards why be racist? I don't understand how skin color could be more important than intelligence or any other useful criteria.

Racism is not present in modern national socialism. It is a term invented in the old days to blackmail people and keep them in line for multicultural thinking. Within national socialism it is all about cultural pride and honour. Cultural ancestery are to be viewed as "points" when it comes down to credibility within these circles. Why? The premise would be that there is less chance for being introduced towards multicultural thinking.

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Though modern neo-nazis, nationalists and racists don't even understand the basics of nazism (at least the ones that post online, make websites etc.) rather they are just rehashing the propaganda put out by nazis (along with a combination of thee evil racist stereotype propaganda put out by modern wester societies) rather than the actually understanding, much less advocating, the original nazi ideas

At least you got that right... there are a few gems, but most of them try to keep a low profile.

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hate & antagonism- it accomplishes nothing. The true predator doesn't threaten, rather he strikes and kills. Meanwhile the weak losers try to have "tough" sounding names, threaten everyone and shout about their supremacy. This actually causes law enforcement to watch them, people to attack them etc. which leaves them worse than before. It seems like the total manifestation of stupidity. This is to such an extreme that I wonder if many internet racists are real people or rather people posting as a joke (I don't understand how people that stupid and careless could successfully put together a website or forum for instance).

Such people DO serve by their persona. While most boost and have their egos petted, they attract like-minded persons. Some of them are armed with the basic writings, and sometimes a little diamond pops up. Those spreading the hate are actually the canonfodder for the lefties. And there's plenty of them.
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I suspect many of them are Jews posting as racists in order to justify another billion dollars to israel from the German government or another "tolerance" program in our schools.

Wha...?

Let me tell you a secret, the thing you just said... it's bullocks.

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It seems to me that internet nationalism actually harms white people by creating justification for more racist programs which discriminate against whites (affirmative action, white guilt programs etc.) so if these people are for real, they are their own worst enemy!

There are some tactics involved when it comes down to organisations like C18 and B&H. Not all members are the usual grunt you tend to see on television.
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#57703 - 07/28/11 02:23 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Dimitri]
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.- Aristotle

I am starting to find this board very low class. There is no reason to reply to something with "you are stupid" or other similar things. It doesn't reflect badly on me, it reflects badly on the person writing it. That's not a very "high brow" argument.

If someone says "the moon is made of cheese" I don't reply back "you are a retard" either I ignore them or simply say "I have a rock from the moon it is not made of cheese, come look for yourself"

In the same way I welcome any constructive criticism that can be useful to me, but most criticism I receive is not based on the kinds of experience, knowledge etc. that I have observed. It is useless to me.

It seems to promote a sheep mentality when you expect everyone around you to believe and do exactly as you do and then get upset when this is not the case.

What happens is all the insults simply waste a lot of space and it takes time reading them which detracts from anything useful or interesting.

In regards to the racists: I have seen a few rational people on the boards. But in order to "fit in" with their extremist friends they end up supporting the party-line, which I find to be a bit irrational.

One example of a prominent leader that is rational is David Duke. His videos are very well presented, not about hate, simply European cultural preservation. He obsesses a little too much about "jewish supremacism" but everything he posts is rational and factual. He also has real accomplishments, such as getting a PhD, being elected to senate etc. Yet at the same time he associates himself with the stormfront crowd which gives him a bad reputation.
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#57704 - 07/28/11 02:34 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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The world is "run" by a disjointed mob of dictators who pretend to have some sort of common "cause" or "agenda", but really are just waiting to stab each other in the back the moment the political thermometer drops a notch. The recent revolutions in the Middle East are evidence enough, if the past 10,000-year history of humanity hasn't convinced you. Nobody's pulling the strings, except in your head. ---

Good point. However as you move up the social ladder you learn everything is about team work and networking. You do not get to the top alone!!! All leaders are part of skull and bones, fraternities, networks, prominent families, sororities, college frat houses, masons etc. It is the simple reality of success.

It so happens that the Jewish "tribe" is a prominent network of power.

Why are 15% of Jews poor?

They must totally lack any ability.

Example: I used to live near the university of Cincinnati. This school was about 98% East Asians and White people. Ok fair enough. But the school actually begs black people to join, has a special minority success center to help them succeed and any one with passing grades will have all their bills paid for them!!

At the same time I could not afford to go to this school.

Why isn't the school full of black people then? People are unmotivated. Incapable etc.

There are programs for Jews only which provide interest free business loans. If I qualified as a jew I would already own my own business. I have contacted them and tried to get these loans.

At the same time I was offered to fly to Israel on a free vacation by someone who thought I was Jewish. Its available free to all the Jewish youth! Most don't go. Either they don't know about it or don't care.

That's the thing about privilege. Many people take it for granted and don't feel a need to act on it.

At the same time we are taught in school about "white privilege" which doesn't exist from my own experiences. the only thing I ever got for being white is a lot of guilt and denied minority benefits.

Jews nonetheless are the wealthiest ethnic group in the United States and Europe. The average Jewish income is around $50,000 a year and regular whites $30,000. Asian is also higher than whites but lower than Jews.

Yet in the newspaper just the other day they had an article about how whites are richer than everyone else and then compared whites to blacks and hispanics. They always omit Jewish and Asian over performance when portraying whites as some dominant group of racists.

There is also the ADL and countless other groups which protects any Jew which is persecuted. nobody is protecting me. Simply because a Jew allows himself to be abused or is a total failure doesn't mean that he doesn't have privileges nor does it mean his ethnic group doesn't pull the strings.

That's like saying during the colonial period of Europe that England was not a world empire because some ethnic English were peasants.

The English peasant still benefited from being English though.

Of course its the wealthy and powerful Jews which network for their own ethnic interests. It doesn't mean every single Jew is wealthy and powerful and in some international conspiracy.




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#57705 - 07/28/11 02:40 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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Why are 15% of Jews poor?

They must totally lack any ability.


So, and correct me if I'm wrong, 15% of the Jews are poor because they must totally lack any ability and you are poor because you are not a Jew?

Or am I misunderstanding something here?

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#57706 - 07/28/11 03:09 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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If I had the opportunities of any non-Aryan group I would be wealthy. Rather now it will take me a bit longer to accomplish this. The main thing that has held me back is actually my family, neighbors etc. as well as listening to other people (who give me idiot advise always argued against my rational ideas etc.) at some point I realized that the people around me were idiots and stopped listening to them. Now I'm on the path to prosperity :-)

Of course as I wrote repeatedly there are countless programs for non-whites. Just because someone fails despite being given every opportunity doesn't mean they weren't given opportunity.

Again here we see a poor way of thinking above- "I don't believe you because you are a failure"

this is how 99% of people think. They just want a strong leader. Rather than actually believe things based on facts, reasoning, evidence etc.

One guy who won the lottery said people were coming to him for financial advise. He was just a retard that won the lottery as he said in his own words! At the same time a person with rational ideas will be doubted and slandered if he is weak.

This goes back to some of the self defeating and irrational behavior inherent in human psychology. I never thought this way so I found it strange. I guess I waste too much time being "logical".

But being logical is the only thing that will make a person successful. If you follow a rich or successful person most of them will simply exploit your sheep like nature and gullibility. It's better to practice reason.
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#57707 - 07/28/11 03:18 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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Poor thinking?

What I see is someone begging for help, promising nothing substantial in return. What I see is someone blaming everything but himself for his inability to accomplish what he desires. What I see is someone dismissing the fact plenty have accomplished what he desires without having their hand held. What I see is someone lost in excuses.

What I see is someone who will never accomplish anything until he learns to do himself what it takes without demanding assistance first. You are looking for a savior while clearly showing you have nothing which justifies being saved.

You don't want to learn how to fish, you just want the fish.

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#57708 - 07/28/11 03:40 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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Why do you assume I'm poor and weak? I suppose it must be from the introduction to my book. It seems all the criticism comes from this *feeling* If I tell you I know how you can double your income you should look at the logic of what I say not how wealthy I am. One example I doubled my investment in 2000 (stocks). Yet I only had $800 to put in. A richer person could easily have made a lot of money following my advise (and a lot of them did on the financial boards they thought I was a wealthy investor!!).

So what does how weak I am have anything to do with my ideas. That's the thing I just look for people who can do for themselves. Someone who is looking for a strong person to lean on seems to not be doing for himself! In a pack of wolves it shouldn't matter what your partner is.

If a member is a flaming fag I wouldn't care so long as he had some useful skill to contribute which bettered my own life. I don't need to lean on others. That's the point I'm trying to make. I work together because team work= power.

You don't see correctly.

a) I don't care if 99% of people don't join me. I don't expect them to. But in order to attract the one percent that are interested I must put myself out there.

b) I'm not asking for any kind of help. I am looking to meet up with people who have talents and can network and use them for mutual benefit. This is pretty normal stuff for successful people. I'm sorry that i don't move in "elite" circles and therefore present my material publicly.

c) I have promised substantial returns and benefits for anyone interested.

d) I make no excuses for myself. My entire focus is on results, not excuses.

e) I am dong for myself without assistance.

For example:

I am currently completing a bachelors degree. After that I will have income to invest and travel the world. I would like to travel and network with like minded people at this time. But I also have educated myself in real estate investment and have worked with a few investors and consulted with millionaires for advise.

I plan to invest. All by myself!! I don't need anyone. Yet if someone is interested I can pool resources and set up an LLC (which I have also already researched and consulted some people about) then we can create a joint investment project which will actually increase each investors yields.

So look at it this way:

if you can invest $10k alone and make a 10% return or invest 100k in pooled resources at a 12% yield then there is an obvious benefit. This is the entire premise of the stock market and the corporate structure. I'm sorry all of this is not obvious off hand but most people would rather dismiss me in the first five seconds rather than research further. I have also provided a large pile of reading material, a website, a forum, event calendar and other resources which will continue to be built up. We also have a private information data base full of FREE resources that interested members can use to DO PROJECTS ON THEIR OWN!

Likewise we are a community where everyone has each other's back. This is not because I'm a weakling. It's the point that I don't like to be f*cked with. It is far easier to take care of threats through a network than alone. This is to each other's mutual benefit.

Team work is not weakness. Though the common white culture of the working class is rampantly individualistic and can see no value in team work. This is why the white working class is marginalized, falling apart and weak compared to just about everyone in the world. I really don't care about that group of people though, but it just is the group that mainly I receive criticism from.

For example this post is simply about a better idea- a better way to think. At least in my opinion (as opposed to being a racist neo nazi or something) its a take it or leave it resource. No need in calling me an idiot if one disagrees.

Beyond this I will also specialize: I will hire a lawyer, a realtor etc. for jobs. I can't do everything myself. It's the common premise of civilization to work together and specialize. By doing this in a group of friend's who are well versed in each others talents and reputation it makes things far easier.


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#57709 - 07/28/11 03:53 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Thule]
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But of course you are seeking help. The whole community you set up is a call for help. It just radiates through. You're looking for that 1% which by your own logic is Jew. They surely will be standing in line to invest.

Your talk about Jews is directed at white radicals who by definition aren't financial wizards, neither in ability, nor in resources. The market you target with your package is lower class, financial underachievers. You don't even realize this, else you'd have waved that whole Germanic concept goodbye.

So what does anyone actually gain from getting into business with you? No deal he can get elsewhere, under better circumstances.

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#74310 - 01/10/13 11:26 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Diavolo]
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One of the great post war victories of International Socialism was to brand Nationalism as Evil and immediately equate any would be Nationalist with goose stepping NAZIs.

However, as most of the West slides into Third World status, there has been a Right Nationalist backlash.

No less a person than Conservative firebrand Micheal Savage is calling for a new Nationalist Party in the United States:

http://www.examiner.com/article/radio-ho...tle-republicans
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#74319 - 01/10/13 01:09 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Fist]
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I find the move towards Nationalism that is occurring by the Right to be a fascinating phenomenon. I think America has always had a very patriotic undercurrent to its society and the move to Nationalism is a logical 'next step' when looking at a lot of the issues the West and the US faces at this time.

I listen to Michael Savage and he's starting to take an Anti-Republican stance in a lot of his broadcasts. His lean towards Nationalism is interesting due to his level of popularity. A couple of nights ago he was dissing most conservative talk show hosts for being nothing more than shills for the Republicrats.

Michael Berry is another one that exhibits Nationalist leanings, but he's also moving towards being Pro-cession movement as well.
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#74321 - 01/10/13 01:28 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Fist]
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@Fist: I think in 2012, a lot is contingent on how we define the nation-state. Fuck the communists. I am curious how you would see this manifest in the US? I am a stone realist on these matters, but I have to leave the door open for all contingencies. As I look at DC, I tend to wonder if the union may no longer be viable at some point.

How do you see it?

PS: Borders, Language, Culture (Savage). My critique would center on the first and third. In particular, I saw a lot of cultural differences traversing the US. Reconcilable? Dunno. The increasing lack of federalism may be key.


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#74323 - 01/10/13 01:55 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Le Deluge]
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Well, the fact of the matter is we are close to the end of America as we know it. Maybe we have 5 years, maybe 10, maybe 20. On our current course, we will go thru something like what Greece is going thru and what the USSR went true in 1991. On the other side, we will look something like Russia - a Third World country with a large govt apparatus. Our economy cannot survive in it's current form - the de-industrialization of the US, and more than half of the country on some form of govt subsidy. We are beginning to see the kind of strain the Baby Boomers will put on the system. They should all be collecting Social Security within the next 10 years. We are fighting a global war without end and "defense" budgets are completely off the table. Most likely, we will try to print our way out of this crisis but at some point that will no longer be viable either.

Of course, all is not lost, but we needed to turn this ship around yesterday. The future will be bleak. The only question now is how bad will it be? If America can overcome the enormous military/industrial/congressional/media complex arrayed against it, then we may have a chance. But must happen soon. If not, NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE will like what emerges from the other side of this.

The only up side here is Americans are deeply skeptical about the future and the govts ability to solve problems. It is not an accident that over the last few years gun sales have been way up. Zombie apocalypse, total system collapse, preppers, have all been in the collective consciousness over the last few years. Americans 'sense' that something is deeply wrong and there is major event that we must prepare for. Man did not survive 500,000 years of evolution if we were not able to sense, on some level, catastrophe and prepare for it.
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#74325 - 01/10/13 02:15 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: Fist]
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Is it really surprising there's a leaning towards Nationalism about everywhere? The whole globalization market is standing on weak foundations and trips as easily as a bend old man walking with a walking stick. The arising problems in one country easily affecting the others by which it is economically associated.

Protectionist/nationalist thought is bound to rise. People generally don't care if others are going down the drain.. but losing a part of their potential because of it becomes quite a hot issue.
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#74343 - 01/11/13 12:29 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Dimitri]
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Check out Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY

Topical is it not? Unfortunately, today guys like Eisenhower couldn't get elected as the town Dog Catcher.
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#74349 - 01/11/13 07:30 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: Fist]
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History will judge Ike as having been one of the best Presidents of the 20th Century. A lot of topical subjects in there. The balance factor in government. The deficits. Education and free intellectual inquiry. The enemy which changes names but is omnipresent. Of course, it will always be best known as a caution against the military-industrial complex, yet to maintain the strongest military in the world.

He wouldn't win the nomination of either party these days.
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#74354 - 01/11/13 10:50 AM Ike [Re: Le Deluge]
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I quote General of the Army Dwight Eisenhower in a current project of mine:

 Originally Posted By: Ike
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
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#74367 - 01/11/13 06:39 PM Re: Ike [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Great Quote. I look to DC. To our politicians. To an insatiable desire to spread a "freedom" we ourselves may lose. To every special interest carving out a peace of a crumbling pie. To the sheer hubris of all. Will we ever heed his warnings?

"Only Americans can hurt America."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Whatever America hopes to bring to pass in the world must first come to pass in the heart of America." ~ Dwight D. Eisenhower

And shall it come to pass:

"We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security." ~ Dwight D. Eisenhower








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#75496 - 03/22/13 11:59 PM Re: National Socialists [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I have absolutely no problem with illegal immigrants, and think most people that do are ignorant.

However, you are a fool if you think that being great at their job is going to make laborers not replaceable.

People who own companies are all about money, and all they need from a worker is for them to do their job well. If the immigrant who they can pay 5 dollars an hour can do their job at least well, they will take him over the guy who they have to pay 8 dollars an hour. This is just a simple fact, on the bottom they want someone they can push around, and the guy with the most to lose is the easiest target.

I think the people always blaming the immigrants are ignorant because those guys just want to give themselves a better life coming here, and they never talk about the companies.

If your going to make hiring illegals to be such a problem, and you got fired from your job you would think atleast SOME of their hate would go towards the companies that fired them. If it was really about the problem it would be,which is how you know their hate is just racism. People often have such misguided blame for things which I never understand.

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#75497 - 03/23/13 12:13 AM Re: National Socialists [Re: 334forwardspin]
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As for my opinion on National Socialist Satanists, well I believe it to be nonsense. Firstly, the notion that they are actually going to overthrow the American government is completely ludicrous. Secondly, the racist implications of the movement are also what makes it nonsensical.

Jon Nodtveidt once said it best, saying that true racist philosophies are just as much the herd mentality as anything else, and are just ways to feel superior to other people without having to accomplish anything. I loved when he said that, because I know morons who are into neo-Nazi Satanism probably bought his albums because of rumors about him being racist.

Anyways, basically he was right. Being of a certain race does not make anyone superior in any way, and actually believing it does or disliking someone for purely racial reasons is completely stupid. We are individuals, we become superior in a specific way by being better than others in that way by what we earn. We are responsible for what we as individuals did, it is stupid to blame someone for something they had nothing to do with just because the guilty people are of their same race.

Some arguments I've heard defending racism by the ONA and others are ridiculous. One argument I've heard was that it was a way of keeping people away who need to be "politically correct" away.

That may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. People object to racism for many reasons besides being PC, mainly the fact that it is completely ridiculous for forementioned reasons and that anyone who seriously believes in racism has to be ignorant and stupid to some degree. There are far more intelligent things you can use to keep away overly PC people than ridiculous Nazi propaganda, so why have it at all unless they really believed it.

I've heard claims that blacks and Mexicans are actually a part of the ONA, which I don't buy either. In America, probably 90 % of all Satanists are white, then probably latin people are the 2nd most common race for Satanists. Very few black Satanists, and here's a question...when Satanism is supposed to be about self-respect and having a "fuck you" attitude towards people who don't like you, why would the few black Satanists of all the Satanic groups choose to be part of the one that advocates racist views against them.

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