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#58190 - 08/14/11 03:16 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: Jason King]
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There is some truth to Jason King's analysis of Social Security. A slight increase in social security taxes, something minimal like .025% would make social security solvent in perpetuity.

As for education. Taxpayer money should only go to the public school system and State Universities. I would cease all funding to private and religious schools. People are free to send their children to private schools if they want, but not at taxpayer expense. I would then fully subsidize the State Universities to greatly reduce tuition. With reduced tuition at State Universities there would no longer be the need for government funded student loans. Tuition grants for needy students should again only be available to the State Universities who charge reduced tuition. This makes a lot of sense. State Universities have better facilities, adhere to civil rights legislation, pay twice the salary as some of their private counterparts, and have viable unions for employees. The quality at most State Universitites is regulated and monitored, giving a safe education for students, rather than the often poor quality educations offered at many small private schools, and the brainwashing of many small religious schools. There are some private schools that are worth keeping, examples being the Ivy League, Johns Hopkins, and Stanford. These quality schools should be nationalized becoming State Universities so they will keep State funding and be monitored as to quality, civil liberties, and be federally funded as to tuition and research grants.

Civil Rights in the schools is important, for example a student who may be from an alternative background, ex. raised as a Satanist, or any other religion, must have an equal right to an education and human treatment.

We also need a national Anti-Bully Law in the Public schools making the parents liable for bullying. My town just passed one. No child should be afraid to go to school.

As a side note there is only one Republican Candidate that I take seriously. That is Jimmy McMillan originally of the "Rent is Too Damn High Party" As he says, the Rent is Just Too Damn High! Otherwise Jerry Brown is my candidate and I am a Democrat and Socialist.

Here is the Jimmy McMillan website.

http://mcmillan2012.com/tv-radio.htm


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#58192 - 08/14/11 05:06 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: creativevalue]
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Public education's biggest problem is not money it's curriculum. The reality of it is we spend more than enough on education it's just that the money we spend ends up wasted which even means the best public schools are only offering a substandard educational oppurtunity.
If anything we should model our higher education after Europe where merit not money ensures you a spot at university.

All American students already have a legal right to an education so this is nonpoint

There is no reason we need to waste time on silly antibullying laws because these types of legislation never change anything. It comes down to the fact that we already have criminal standards for assualt, harassment etc. what can bullying possibly include that we don't already have laws against? You can't legislate away the mean and scary parts of life to suggest other wise is foolish.

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#58194 - 08/14/11 07:54 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: Meph9]
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There are some classes in most schools which could be eliminated, and also some programs which should be offered.

A state controlled university system in the USA would be very similar to the European system, but it would be necessary to add the civil rights protections necessary for American society, and that includes greater accessibility, as in the US most state universities originate in the agricultural colleges.

Most European universities are state controlled. As a result tuition is relatively low, and admission is more difficult. In Europe it is very difficult to gain admission to university. Most students are channeled at a younger age into trades. Initially this looks good, as a good electrician may make more money than a teacher with a Ph.D. But the opportunity to improve your position is not available to most, only those few with the best education or talent. Your life would also be determined at a younger age which would limit oportunity to change your life.

I have a friend who went to school in the Soviet Union. She was told what to study, told what school to go to, and upon graduation had a state mandated job waiting for her. What she never had was choice. It did not matter if she wanted or liked the subject. She did what she was told to do, according to her ability, however that was determined by the state. She also had job security and a meaningful degree.

My choice is to nationalize the schools, but to preserve civil rights, improve quality for all students, and to offer more opportunity to those who seek to improve their lives.

I think the biggest waste is the money spent by students and government on the "private degree mills" that charge high tuition and offer a subpar liberal arts education without career direction.

Note: The term degree mill means a private for-profit institution that charges students high tuition and "mills" degrees to take the money.

All state universities are monitored for quality, civil rights, union rights for employees, and to keep tuition costs reasonable.

The anti-bully laws may not seem like a lot to you as an adult, but to a child, who is being bullied, they are really important. Bullycide (suicide due to bullying) has become a serious problem in the modern schools. You may be too mature now to be aware of this newer problem, but it exists and is a growing problem in the schools.


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#58196 - 08/14/11 11:12 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: creativevalue]
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Personally I think considering oppurtunties to change one's life are of no importance. If thtat person is not willing to work hard enough to get into university that's their problem and their's alone.

How much can the average middle class student "change their life" without going into a whole lot of debt? There is no reason that those with the drive and intelligence to acheive should not be rewarded for that effort.

Every public and most private schools are already monitored and subscribe to equal rights policies so there is no need to add any additional considerations.

Lastly on the topic of bullying can you inform me of anything that could be constituted as bullying that isn't already against the rules/law?
Fact is there are none thus we does not need to waste time creating legislation to make actions that are already against the law illegal. We in fact have an abundance of laws what we need is for people to actually enforce them.
Bullying is not the least bit new nor is suicide related to it just because the media highlights more cases these days does not mean more are occuring. In other words there is nothing new happening the only thing that is new is the public realization of it.

Schools are not places of moral or philosophical instruction, schools are for educating. The rest of the responsibilty belongs to parents.

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#58217 - 08/15/11 09:03 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: Meph9]
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Working hard to achieve a goal is the only way to change one's life. Whether the goal is to become a plumber, electrician, doctor, or teacher, a person should have a goal. The most important thing is to "do" things.

It takes hard work to change a life without debt. Many people go to school by attending their local state college and working. My grades were always higher when I worked and as I qualified myself it turned into a career. Why not work for the university? They may have tuition reimbursement plans for their employees.

The community colleges are a great and inexpensive place to start.

Lets not cry about lack of opportunity. There are many very successful people who worked their way through school and career, and made good lives for themselves.

Public and private schools have different views of civil rights. Almost all state schools place a high priority on civil rights because they are tightly regulated. Private schools are different. In "theory" private schools must adhere to legislation, but lets be real about it. I would never expect some religious schools to accept me as equal, and yes it may effect my grades as they may disagree with me in theory.

I want to place a twist on the issue of ethics. I agree with you that schools should not be places of moral and philophical "judgement". All viewpoints should be explored equally and individuals having different views treated with respect. Students should be encouraged to learn and explore, but part of learning is to explore different types of ethical viewpoints that students will have to deal with in the real world. This is very apparent in Satanic thought. Learning to make decisions in life is important to all belief systems, including Satanism.

It is not possible legally to hold a 10 year old responsible as an adult. Therefore someone who has influence over the child must be held repsonsible; the parent, school system, and teacher. They must be held responsible for teaching the child to be responsible for their behavior. That is part of the anti-bullying laws.

You are right that the laws themselves will not change behavior. First we must change the way people think to change behavior.




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#58257 - 08/16/11 06:43 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: creativevalue]
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Lets not cry about lack of opportunity. There are many very successful people who worked their way through school and career, and made good lives for themselves


Yes that's what I just said...

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Public and private schools have different views of civil rights. Almost all state schools place a high priority on civil rights because they are tightly regulated. Private schools are different. In "theory" private schools must adhere to legislation, but lets be real about it. I would never expect some religious schools to accept me as equal, and yes it may effect my grades as they may disagree with me in theory.


I think you confusing civil rights with shall we say civil acceptance. Fact is they don't have to like you or what you think, they have the right to their own opinions just as you do. Those who are driven by belief, by ideology will never be swayed by anything. Really civil rights refer to the legal status of equal for all racial, religious, and gender groups and to be honest I have never heard of any religious institution not accepting someone for the race or gender. Now religion I suppose that a Catholic is probably not going to admit a muslim but why would a muslim Catholic in the first place? These schools don't hide what they're about so I do know if I'd have any sympathy for someone just seeking a confrontation.

Then on the topic of bullying my point is that there is already criminal standards for anything and everything that could be considered bullying so there need not be any laws crafted to fight it. My point is that if say a ten year old did something that would require the police to be involved(which again for a ten it would have to be pretty serious situation because most kids that age aren't even capable of doing something that bad)then that would be that it has nothing to do with applying adult standards to them. Last time I checked being a jackass has always been against the rules so specific anti bullying laws are not needed. Further these laws actually do nothing but put extra punishment on the kids so it's really the antibullying laws that put unfair standards on the ten year olds.

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#58271 - 08/17/11 12:14 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: Meph9]
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 Originally Posted By: Meph9
Schools are not places of moral or philosophical instruction, schools are for educating. The rest of the responsibilty belongs to parents.

The problem, of course, is that many parents donít take responsibility for their kids. Moral is a tricky word, but schools certainly need to ensure a safe environment for learning. That requires the staff to be firm and consistent when dealing with bullies.

Youíre right that there are already laws on the books with regard to bullying. What the parents of a bullied child need to do is work their way up the chain of command, starting with the teacher and guidance counselor, to the principal and, if necessary, the school board. They need to keep detailed documentation, and if theyíre not satisfied with the results then they should get a lawyer.

My child has never been bullied, but if she was I would not hesitate to get involved. I donít know how anyone could call themselves a good parent and do otherwise.
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#58312 - 08/18/11 03:52 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: William Wright]
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Will glad to hear you're not a deadbeat parent...

My point when I say schools aren't moral instruction centers is that schools are designed for one specific reason, to educate.
It is the responsibility of the parents and family to deal with those issues not the teachers yet it seems that all too often that is exactly what we are doing expecting the nation's educators to act like parents. This is one major factor that I would say brings our education system down. Though there are other considerations and factors that go into running a school that don't exactly involve educating like providing a safe environment I think we've let these considerations weaken the ability of teachers to well, teach.

On bullying I'm not exactly saying that there already are antibullying laws in place I saying that bullying can not encompass any activity that is not already against the law.

Bullying is:
harassment
assault
intimidation
theft

And as I'm sure you know 100% of things on that list are illegal

Take oil company regulations for example. We don't need new drilling regulations, there's laws and rules already in place the problem is the companies don't follow them. Not to mention the fact that the people who are supposed to make sure they are playing by the rules aren't checking either.

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#58363 - 08/20/11 04:55 AM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: Meph9]
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I like your firm stance against bullying. Teachers must also be aware of the different ways that students from various social and behavorial cultures learn and of their sensitivities toward bullying.

You have mentioned several times that the schools can not become centers of moral instruction. What is your definition of morality? What is the difference between teaching morality and teaching ethics?

I agree with you that the schools can not become a judge of morality without biasing the education system and that schools should not teach a specific morality.

The schools do have to teach students to think critically. They also should teach students decision making skills. Does this then imply that they should teach students various ethical perspectives? If so, the teaching of ethical perspectives should be done from a neutral perspective, not to judge a specific form of ethics, but to teach students about different theories of ethics and how they may impact decision making.

Developing decision making skills is an important part of education. It is not the schools place to make moral judgements, but the schools should prepare the student to make decisions in different situations.







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#58376 - 08/20/11 03:25 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: Autodidact]
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All I know is that, as a certified member of the Post-WW2 Baby Boom (born 1946), all the jobs, benefits, and money dry up the minute I'm eligible for them. Social Security started to be attacked the moment I hit 62, and now that I have a month to go before MediCare, the big guns are trained on it.

Look for soon-skyrocketing prices in in-home care, nursing homes, long-term-care insurance, tombstones, and cemetery space. Later on post-Boomers will have to pay more for seances.
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#58381 - 08/20/11 04:34 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
All I know is that, as a certified member of the Post-WW2 Baby Boom (born 1946), all the jobs, benefits, and money dry up the minute I'm eligible for them. Social Security started to be attacked the moment I hit 62, and now that I have a month to go before MediCare, the big guns are trained on it.

Look for soon-skyrocketing prices in in-home care, nursing homes, long-term-care insurance, tombstones, and cemetery space. Later on post-Boomers will have to pay more for seances.



That's true. I just autofiled for my Social Security benefits, to begin when I hit 62 in October and, while it's there for me, there are people half our age who might just be saying, "What the hell was Social Security?" There may be SOMETHING in the future to count on, but I think it will be very different from what we see today.

As for sky-rocketing prices, that's already begun. We are the primary caregivers for my mother-in-law, a sweet old lady who has the misfortune to be afflicted with Alzheimer's Disease. We pay for her in-home care, because I made her a promise that we would keep her out of the long-term facility for as long as we could. It's not cheap, by any means, and the Medicare sponsored long-term care facilities are an expense over and above what an 84 year old's income (Social Security and a very small pension) can cover. Get ready, Gen Xers... you're in for a bumpy ride.
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#58382 - 08/20/11 04:54 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: Jake999]
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Here it is not different. If things were as they were when I started working, I normally had 7 more years to go until pre-retirement. During those days it was normal to quit working between 52-56. Today I have another 22 years to go, at 67. But I'm quite sure that by the time I'm 67, I still got years to do.

In some decades we all probably work until we drop dead.

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#58391 - 08/20/11 09:50 PM Re: Debt Ceiling [Re: Diavolo]
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There has been a lot of talk about raising the retirement age. It is not realistic to expect to retire at 65/67 with more and more people living to be 100.

One item retirement planners are suggesting is that seniors develop a second career. Seniors possess much experience and it is healthy for them to keep busy.

Insurance companies, law suits, and corporate greed have driven health expenses up. It is a sorry state that people must write away their homes for nursing care and spend $10,000 plus for a cemetary plot.

I have read that some doctors are choosing not to accept health insurance and are instead taking a straight fee per visit that is affordable for all patients.



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