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#5787 - 03/16/08 09:24 PM Emos and racism.
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Alright, i need to get some intelligent peoples opinions on this matter. I recently discussed this with a guy on my msn who i respect alot, but the conversation ended with him telling me to fuck off a number of times. He is intelligent so thats why im doubting my stance on this question a little.

People hate on emos alot and i think that this hate is getting excessive. There are so many worse things to hate and certainly so many worse things to call a person other then the "emo"-flaming that i have seen going on on so many websites.

I feel that discriminating on emos is the same as discriminating against other things such as goths and whatever - But i also feel that it is the same as being racist towards people of different skin.

Some people then counter with the argument "You cant change your race but you can change how you look, dress and act".
I think that this argument doesnt hold much water since i dont see why someone should have to change themselves just because the majority of people dont like how you look. It also goes away from the point of the matter.

The point here being is discrimination.
To me, discrimination against a certain group of people is discrimination. It doesnt matter if its blacks or emos. Its still all the same discrimination and prejudice.


So what is your opinion on my opinion? Do you agree with me or disagree? If so, please explain your stance!

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#5789 - 03/16/08 09:44 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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Why are you here?

Satanism is based on Might is Right doctrine. LaVey has been accused of out right plagiarizing "Might is Right" by Ragnar Redbeard.

Satanism is about elitism. Satanism is not for everyone. Satanists are born - not made. Satanism is about self deification and living a vital existence. This would seem to be contrary to the 'emo' fad of wallowing in self pity.

Yes, if you look like a clown people will laugh at you. Does this confuse you? And, perhaps more to the point, why would this bother you?

As to racism, most people who use the term do not know what it means. However, all people discriminate. In other words, all people choose 'this' over 'that.' All people like 'this' and dislike 'that.' Discrimination is a part of human nature. You might as well lament the fact that people can see at all!
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#5790 - 03/16/08 10:09 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Fist]
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Oh god, its you again.

Yes, thanks for the lesson about things that i already know.
Why do you think that you are teaching me something? Im not a Laveyan Satanist and i dont care much for it either.
You seem to think that the entire forum are Laveyans and that certain rules go for everybody. Last time i checked, following a book word for word is being blind. Kind of like the christians.

I myself discriminate quite a bit but that isnt the point here. In fact every little thing that you wrote simply isnt the point here.
I am wondering what people think of this argument of mine. Nothing more. If you have a problem with me then take it in a PM.

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#5791 - 03/16/08 11:30 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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LOL! Emo? What the hell Mask?

""Emo is a style of rock music which describes several independent variations of music with common stylistic roots.

Emo is also oftenly associated with a certain fashion. The term "emo" is sometimes stereotyped with tight jeans on males and females alike, long fringe (bangs) brushed to one side of the face or over one or both eyes, dyed black, straight hair, tight t-shirts (sometimes with short-sleves) which often bear the names of rock bands (or other designed shirts), studded belts, belt buckles, canvas sneakers or skate shoes or other black shoes (often old and beaten up) and thick, black horn-rimmed glasses. Emo fashion has changed with time. Early trends included straight, unparted hair (similar to that of Romulans and Vulcans in Star Trek), tightly fitting sweaters, button-down shirts, and work jackets.[citation needed] This fashion has at times been characterized as a fad."" Wiki...

How does a Satanist go around saying he is against conformity, but goes buying into fads and musical fashion?

Like Fist states: 'Satanists are born' its got nothing to do with race or skin color. its a 'mental disease' as LaVey states...

So what does Satanism have anything to do with Emo or Racism. Hating someone cuz they're stupid is way different than hating them because of their skin color, nationality, and ethnicity; and who really cares if Emo boys in here???

Whatever happened to worrying about global warming... Darfur... Iraq... China... the crazy guy from communist Korea... our (America) economy and gas prices... or even Gay Rights? And your fretting over how Emo boys are being treated. What you gunna fight for Emo Rights? lol

Your interested in stuff like Emo and "Luciferian Witchcraft" and the JoS... are you in the right religion? Do you understand Satanism?

p.s. Emo boys are queers. My opinion on your opinion is: stop smoking the dope. This is what happens.


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#5792 - 03/17/08 12:11 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I find the masks post rather amusing, If people would pick on me for what I wear I would probaly turn 'emo' also. Cause I thought 'emo' stood for emotional something or another. I find all fads to be rather a conformity to some one elses standards and ways of thinking. I for one follow no fad or genre. I believe my self to be an indivual and self reliant. But thanks for that amusing post, I hope that 'emo' thing works out for in five years.
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#5794 - 03/17/08 12:26 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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Im not a Laveyan Satanist and i dont care much for it either.


Then you are at the wrong site. This is clearly a modern satanist site built on the foundations of Lavey. Move along.

To equate hating "emo" with racism is plain stupid. You chose to follow the emo herd. You selected the mindset that dictates how you lead daily life. A Jew or Latino did not choose how they were born. Your argument is retarded.

Perhaps reading this thread emo will enlighten you.
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#5795 - 03/17/08 12:52 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: fakepropht]
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Actually, at this point, TheMask owes the committee an explanation.

Why are you here? The web must be full of emo-fag sites. Please, take that nonsense elsewhere. If you have not read TSB or any other foundational LHP material, and have no interest as a student of the LHP, then you are little more than a waste of space. Come to think of it, that is pretty emo "my live is black void...."

I can only hope that these posts serve as an object lesson to others.
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#5797 - 03/17/08 01:57 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Fist]
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Right. I think I have to appologise on behalf of the appauling and rather childish behaviour of my fellow Satanists. I am a member of many forums but it's not because of who I am. I'm a member of the BNP forum yet have very little interest in white supremecy, I joined to discuss things with people who would have a different opinion and outlook to myself. I'm also a member of a New Zealand general chat forum, I'm not from New Zealand and don't find it all that interesting. I agree that if you're not all that interested in Satanism you'll likely get a lot less from this forum but I am shocked and appauled at the responses that people have given you in this topic. Saying that, I would expect people who come here to be familiar with the Satanic Bible and the basic ideas of Satanism and unless said otherwise I assume all people here are Satanists.

Now to get to your point. This recent emo-fad that was created by the generation just after me honestly pisses me off. They took aspects of loads of different subcultures and groups from when I was a kid, threw them all together, pissed on them, act exceptionally depressed and call themselves "emo". Well considering "emo" simply means emotional I guess we're all fucking emo, the description and subculture as a whole, is flimsy, inconsistant and irritating. That said I hate emo-hating even more.

Emo-haters are nothing more that people with limited brain power who want someone to pick on to assert their manliness. It's especially annoying over the last year or so where the internet has been literally drowned in it. If you so much as say anything that would hint that you actually have emotions you get a endless stream of abuse from people calling you "emo-fag" and telling you to slit your wrists. This I find irritating.

People who identify themselves as "emo" often have a paper thin personality. They are regurgitated copies of the same damn person with no ideas or opinions of their own, they're normally teenagers, they will normally grow out of it.

People who hate emo just because it's cool to hate emo, they are morons who hate whatever is popular or common in that particular area at that particular time. Be is trekkies, furries, goths or any other group, they will show hatred because their stupid little monkey brain can't handle the idea that some people are different than then. They will either grow out of it or the Darwin awards has a new candidate, either way they're not that important.

In closing really it's morons taking the piss out of kids with a popular regurgitated ideal that is rarely consistant. It's not important and I view the whole situation as some kids having a tantrum. Yes it's discrimination, but it's based on action not just looks. "Emo's" are irritating. To discriminate someone based on their actions is perfectly justified. The random emo-bashing however is purile and pathetic.

As for my fellow Satanists, if you're not open to discussing things other than Satanism you're rather pathetic. If the subject is not engaging to you and you see no value in it don't join in but beleive it or not, not everything relates to Satanism. There is no need to flame and criticise another member just because they express an opinion on a subject you find inconsiquencial, you're better than that. I'm seriously unimpressed at the responses here. A gathering of intellectuals or a crowd of fundimentalists and single minded fools... which are you?

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#5798 - 03/17/08 04:44 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Y'know, reading some of the responses, TC's said it best.

Now concerning Satanism, and the fact that TheMask is not a LaVeyan Satanist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't The 600 Club a "Community for Satanism AND The Occult.

Secondly, He proclaimed to be a devil worshipper/Theistic Satanist/whatever A week ago. No-one got up in arms about it questioning why he's on the forum. DaVinci has proclaimed to being an Atheist than a Satanist and no-one was bothered until this week when his "big secret" was discovered. And remember; LaVeyan Satanism is basically Atheism with more dogma (in a nutshell).

Now, due to the "elitist" nature of LaVeyan Satanism, I'm not asking that we all let everyone join in with our discussions. However, if there are intelligent people who want to join the forum to discuss everything from Satanism to the events of the world, I say they're welcome, providing they can back up their statements and/or learn from the others.

Concerning the original topic, I find the "Emo" and "Scene" fad boring and highly irritating. It's mainly the attitude that I hate, since these kids are so fucking arrogant, and think they are better than you, even if they have nothing to show that they are. As for the whole whininess of most emos, this is irritating, since whining just gets old quickly. And the whining is usually over their girlfriend leaving them, and they make the biggest deal over it. That coupled with their promotion of self-harm is highly irritating. This isn't to say that they go around to people saying that "self-harm is real cool etc. etc.", but rather, they just display their self inflicted wounds and scars as though they should get a fucking medal. No.......*shakes head*.... promotion of such a self-degrading act is of the highest in ignorance and stupidity. Promotion of weakness doesn't sit well with me.

Some of the music can be irritating, but fuck it. Let people listen to what they want. I like some of every genre of music (okay, to tell the truth, I hate gangsta rap, but that's it really...).

So yeah, in short, I agree with TC's statement concerning the "emo" and "scene" trend that has infected our world. And I completely agree with his final statement in his argument.
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#5800 - 03/17/08 05:55 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: DistroyA]
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Everyone is a minority in some aspect. Discrimination is human nature and, as Fist pointed out, everyone does it. Emos have earned themselves the reputation of being nothing but attention-whores and self-mutilators. Cutting themselves apparently 'relieves' pain; yet it causes the individual (appropriate term, anyone?) to bleed and thus, enducing pain.

However, as human beings they reserve the right to do as they please. They don't harm anyone else, only themselves. They aren't intolerant to other scenes, and don't project their views and lifestyles on anyone else. If they listen to what you perceive as being 'shit music' then who cares? They most probably think your musical-taste is shit. They don't break the law.
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#5804 - 03/17/08 08:41 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: DaVinci]
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My problem with emo kids like Mask is that they are trying to co-opt Satanism and re-define it to fit their own sad world view. Everything about emo is contrary to Satanism - herd conformity over individualism, self piety over the Overman concurring his obstacles, depression over vital existence. Can you dig it?....

Please go be a sad emo kid somewhere else but do not call this crap Satanism.

As to theistic satanists, they can be equally annoying. However, at the very least a theistic satanist can live a vital existence. As long as I am spared tales of Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny then we will get along fine. Hell, for that matter I get along just fine with plenty of Xtians as long as we stay off the subject of religion. Remember, this site is for all devotes of the LHP, like minds and fellow travellers. Emo falls under none of this.

Having said all that, let's put emo boy to the test:

Please tell us three of your personal beliefs that you feel are Satanic.


Edited by Fist (03/17/08 09:11 AM)
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#5805 - 03/17/08 08:48 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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I really don't care about how emo's look, dress, act, etc. TC says that an emo's personality is "paper thin". I think that that description best fits the music. I just think that it's not very good. It's just coincidence that quite a few people feel that way and post derogatory remarks. Who cares anyway? My own family hates my style of dress and musical tastes but I don't equate it with racism.

If you consider yourself an emo, who gives a shit what other people think? Live your own life, work out your issues, and forget the stupid shit. It's pointless and you should just move on.
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#5808 - 03/17/08 12:21 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Sinistar]
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Modeling your life after a musical movement is idiotic. Hippies, Punks, Emos, headbangers; idiots all. We can all have our musical preferences, but to take that and base your lifestyle around it is self-slavery.
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#5819 - 03/17/08 02:45 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Octavius]
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I think that anyone that goes out of their way to be pidgeonholed into a particular group or stereotype is 'asking for it' so to speak, and if you are going to broadcast your lifestyle so loudly in peoples faces then chances are someone will shout back.

I think the whole 'emo' doctrine is just based around the forcedly depressive tendency towards really bad attention seeking from teenagers with nothing better to do. Its just a phase and will fade out just like all the past ones.

And im not going to into all the different types of Satanism, you could go as far as any religion, pure fact that replicating lyrics from a song into your lifestyle is not in any way linked to any religion. When you spend so much time and effort into being something then dont call it racism when people start calling you it.
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#5822 - 03/17/08 02:59 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Octavius]
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Well, I really wouldn't call this whole issue modeling lives after a musical movement. People tend to attach the labels based on what kind of music one listens too. It's peoples attitudes that are shaped first and the music is just another part of the whole image thing, it's secondary. I really don't think that too many of us in this forum are guilty of doing what you said although some of the youngsters might be.
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#5830 - 03/17/08 05:22 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: DistroyA]
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Thank you very much TC. I appriciate it.

 Originally Posted By: DistroyA
He proclaimed to be a devil worshipper/Theistic Satanist/whatever A week ago. No-one got up in arms about it questioning why he's on the forum. DaVinci has proclaimed to being an atheist than a Satanist and no-one was bothered until this week when his "big secret" was discovered. And remember; LaVeyan Satanism is basically atheism with more dogma (in a nutshell).


Yes, i did and thats what i thought as well. I have seen that DaVinci is a "Freemason" and i dont see anybody trying to get up into his stomach through the ass about it.
http://www.the600club.com/dir/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/5250#Post5250

Does that answer your annoying questions, Fist?
Stop fucking asking me what im doing here, you got your reply now. I dont take kindly to you or your opinion, you seem to be locked up in a small little box of your own. If you dont like my beliefs then thats your problem and not mine.

Now you know. Im a traditional devil worshipper and im very interested in getting in touch with the spiritual world. Thats what im doing here. What are you doing here other then trying to act like a badass over the internet?

What annoys me the most about how this thread has evolved is that alot of you immidiatly assume that im an Emo, without anything at all to back it up and then flame me based on that.
All i said was that i find the emo-bashing excessive and i made a comparison that i wanted your opinion on. You havent even seen a picture of me yet nor do you know how i look yet you immidiatly jump to these drastic conclusions.

No. I like emo-music alot but i listen to a mixed variety of music and as far as the look or simply whatever is concerned i dont consider myself to be emo. I wouldnt say that i follow any "fads" or whatever of that sort, i strongly dislike mainstream fashion and such things.
However this doesnt mean that i have a principle which doesnt allow me to associate with people of the sort or listen to mainstream music. Im confident enough in myself to know that im not part of a fad or whatever just because i allow myself to like certain things.

I do have a common alternative haircut which is common among underground fashion so im not gonna say that im completely free from any kind of fashion. But thats just because i dont think that anybody is.


Edited by TheMask (03/17/08 05:28 PM)

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#5841 - 03/17/08 09:13 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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My reply is in response to your original post, Mask.

Emo is a subculture of a subculture. It is watered-down diet goth. It's a manifestation of the rebellious suburban youth who have too much time on their hands and parents that don't seem to give a shit. They crave attention, probably because their home life really does suck. I'm sure in many cases, they only perceive their life as shit because they don't know any worse and think they've ended up with the short end of the stick. They are perceived by outsiders as whiny, self-absorbed do-nothings. Losers that wear a mash-up of punk, goth, rockabilly and whatever the hell else is in their closet or from the nearest Goodwill store.

Emos are picked on relentlessly and why you ask? Because it gives them the attention they crave, no matter if it's negative. Their entire sub-sub-culture is centered around the concept of "martyrdom". If no one is hating on them, giving them wedgies in school, writing "Emos Suck" on their locker, or grinding their face into the pavement, how can they justify their existence? They might have to actually get a life and grow up.

But to even compare the "discrimination" of emos with say, blacks, is utterly ridiculous. African blacks were forced into slavery hundreds of years ago, were raped, beaten, whipped, starved, kept ignorant, and subject to the whim of a white man. How can anyone compare the suffering of a people who didn't ask for it, who were miserable NOT OF THEIR OWN CHOOSING, to a bunch of disaffected middle class white kids with ipods, cheap eyeliner and boys who wear girls' jeans?

Disliking emos is not "discrimination". It's more of a dislike of pathetic weakness in another human being that makes people want to attack them. Like a killer whale that can't help tossing around a seal before he eats it.

And no, in case you were wondering, I did not immediately assume you were emo, so my opinion on this should not be taken as a personal attack. If you take it as such, then, oh well. \:D
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#5843 - 03/17/08 09:22 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Sinistar]
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 Originally Posted By: Pan420
I find all fads to be rather a conformity to some one elses standards and ways of thinking. I for one follow no fad or genre. I believe my self to be an indivual and self reliant.


They have a name for this pan, it's called denial. do you really expect anyone to believe that you have INVENTED your own lifestyle and fashion sense?

Everyone is part of some fashion and music taste and if i'm not mistaken i remember a thread about black metal that exceeded 3 pages of post from people stating there "love" for black metal and heavy rock and industrial and all that other shit.
so let's just cut this hypocritical show of superiority out.

Now, regarding the original topic of this thread before it was hit by a wave of self-righteous ignorance: the discrimination on emo's has become excessive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMp7Nnn7VbY
take this video for instance, for those of you who don't understand spanish. It's footage of metal fans beating on emo kids...for hanging around what they for some reason have come to believe is their venue. This shit isn't being made up. Where do you draw the line between dislking a fad and being a complete douchebag?

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#5864 - 03/18/08 02:05 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: L Fern Tej]
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people need to lay of this fellow for being a traditional so they are big deal? whats the diffrence bettwen some one worshiping satan as an enity or some one believing in the occult and magic? yet one is accepted here and one isnt, thats seems kind of silly, if you going to give this fellow a hard time you need to go into the occult section of this site and do the same to the people who actualy belive in magic and not thouse that do a ritual to clease them selves i mean the ones who do a ritual and actually belive that will affect the world.

to attack this fellow for beliving in satan and while i do not share his views it seems kind of hypocritical that 2 forums beneath this one is the occult section. make belive is make belive whats the diffrence?

as to the emo thing i dont really like emos i just dont see what a bunch of teen angst suburbanits have that mutch to get depressed about. daddy dint buy me a new car im going to do a weak cut on my arm with a razor, do a real cut deep and hidden where onyl you can enjoy it. now real slashers slash their feet that way every time you walk you feel the pain and then your not out begging for attention but still get that pain.

ahh thanks for that video funny stuff i imagne thats like being a white kid in the getto with nigga please across your stomach <--(my buddy owns a tat shop and they hired a new artist and he put that on a white kid funnyest tat ever the guy got fired for it but damm funny )what im saying is its just asking for trouble and this fellow if he knew that the violence agisnt them was getting to that level must have had some idea befor walking in the lions den so to speak.
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#5865 - 03/18/08 08:48 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: L Fern Tej]
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Now I don't really accept unfounded violence, but that video was just too hilarious, when after the beating two girls where hugging and comforting the miserable emo kid. It just summed it all up...
It's emo till the end.

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#5871 - 03/18/08 03:04 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Nemesis]
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"Emos are picked on relentlessly and why you ask? "

I never asked that. I said that i find it excessive.

"But to even compare the "discrimination" of emos with say, blacks, is utterly ridiculous. African blacks were forced into slavery hundreds of years ago, were raped, beaten, whipped, starved, kept ignorant, and subject to the whim of a white man. How can anyone compare the suffering of a people who didn't ask for it, who were miserable NOT OF THEIR OWN CHOOSING, to a bunch of disaffected middle class white kids with ipods, cheap eyeliner and boys who wear girls' jeans?"

I dont think you see my point. Discriminating against someone because of their clothes/appearence is the same as discriminating against someone because of their looks. One should not have to change their appearence to be liked.
The point here is discrimination. Not black history.

Youre doing some extreme generalizing by claiming that every single emo in the world fits the stereotype. You seriously think Like with everything else - Not everybody is like that.
Thats the same as me claiming that all black people rob and steal. Thats the same as me hating all black people because of the actions of alot of black people but not all black people.

And yes, it is the same because its generalization. Im not saying that it necessarily has to be something bad but i find my point in the first post to be valid.


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#5874 - 03/18/08 03:37 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: L Fern Tej]
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I would never say that us Black Metal fans are better than fans of Emo. I'm a grown up. I might've participated in that Black Metal love fest that you're talking about, though.

I also did advise Mask as to just be himself (Before he clarified that he wasn't an Emo per se) and not to worry about what others think.

I'm not clear as to who you're calling a hypocrite because you replied to me, called out Pan, and then started a new paragraph. Just in case, I thought I'd clear my name up a little bit.

Music is great and all but it shouldn't be the lone factor on how we judge other people. Period.



Edited by Sinistar (03/18/08 03:42 PM)
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#5875 - 03/18/08 03:46 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask
One should not have to change their appearence to be liked.

But that's exactly what emos do in most cases, isn't it? They start dressing a certain way in order to become an accepted member of their "scene."

I agree that it's possible that some of them genuinely like the clothes and haircuts they sport, but it's more likely that they enjoy the feeling they get from going to the mall and knowing that they're part of something bigger than themselves. It could almost be compared to religion when you think of it in that sense, ne?

I personally don't really care about emos. They're an inconsequential mainstream sub-culture that will never destroy the metal. I'd have been much more vitriol if this discussion had been regarding the gangster/prison sub-culture, though. I fucking hate people who try to act like their poor and purposely keep themselves ignorant, as if they fucking a have a clue about what being poor is really like.

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You can't kill the metal
The metal will live on
Punk-Rock tried to kill the metal
But they failed, as they were smite to the ground
New-wave tried to kill the metal
But they failed, as they were stricken down to the ground
Grunge tried to kill the metal Ha,hahahahaha
They failed, as they were thrown to the ground
Aargh! yeah! [x2]

[Singing]

No-one can destroy the metal
The metal will strike you down with a vicious blow
We are the vanquished foes of the metal
We tried to win for why we do not know

New-wave tried to destroy the metal, but the metal had its way
Grunge then tried to dethrone the metal, but metal was in the way
Punk-rock tried to destroy the metal, but metal was much too strong
Techno tried to defile the metal, but techno was proven wrong
Yea!

Metal!
It comes from hell!

It's too long to use as a signature, but I couldn't resist working it into this thread.
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#5879 - 03/18/08 05:27 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Jeseth]
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Ok, I am confused. What are other people doing to you that you find so offensive. How are you being picked on?

Personally, I don't walk around seeking the affirmation of other people.
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#5889 - 03/18/08 08:07 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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The point here being is discrimination.
To me, discrimination against a certain group of people is discrimination. It doesnt matter if its blacks or emos. Its still all the same discrimination and prejudice.


I do understand the point you are trying to make, but you seem to have failed to have grasped the point that Nemesis was trying to make.

You really can't compare people teasing, raggin on or even bashing someone with centuries of slavery, aparthied and deep seated discrimination like that.

Yes it's bad and stupid and generalizing to descriminate against someone by their looks, but that is how alot of people are. That is how they feel 'better' than someone else. You feel it is excessive because it's generally when people don't like something that they are the most vocal about it. The people who aren't like that just continue on with their lives and ignore the whole schebang knowing it will pass over like the fad itself.

And isn't that one of the things Satanism is supposed to be about. Seeing the world how it really is, rather than how we would like it to be. Not judging books by the cover, but rather judging people on their merits?

You are then starting to preach to the choir. I'm sure none of the people on this site do discriminate against emo's just because they are emo. I'm sure they discriminate against them for being insipid individuals. If they do indeed discriminate against them at all.

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#5890 - 03/18/08 08:25 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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"People hate on emos alot and i think that this hate is getting excessive. There are so many worse things to hate and certainly so many worse things to call a person other then the "emo"-flaming that i have seen going on on so many websites."

Its just silly.
If you look like an emo, whine like an emo, chances are you're an emo.
It just gets annoying. If you are a boy dressing like a girl, wearing more eyeliner than me, and being all wussie like, and having the off symetrical haircut. You're emo.

Now, I dont care if you are emo, you made the choice to be emo. Just dont whine to me about it.

People get beat up for how they look all the time, its nothing new.
Rockers, hippies, beatniks, mods, disco freaks, goth kids all got beat up and into fights for how they looked.

If you can't defend your CHOICE of style, maybe its time for a different look.

Dude, everyone gets discriminated against.
Its just a matter where you are, and what time it is.

The black guy in a white neighborhood at night.
The white guy in a black neighborhood at night.
The white guy/girl in a spanish bar.
The long haired rocker in a red neck bar.
The goth kid in a spanish club.

I have had my share of fights, had problems in various bars, its just something everyone goes through.

The experiences you go through, and the choices you make, can either make you stronger or make you a victim.

Why choose to be a victim?

Be who you are, but be strong with it.

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#5999 - 03/20/08 01:11 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Sinistar]
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Isn't it just an aspect of primal human nature to look at another human and judge him based on their tribal/herd markings?

You can't just erase thousands of years of natural wiring to observe, judge, and dislike some one who doesn't belong to the same social group as you do. Back then this was a matter of survival. If a human back then spotted another human with different markings it could mean another tribe or herd of humans was in your territory and may compete for food and take your females.

We might think ourselves to be all evolved from those sncestral days living in our high tech cities; but we are still human; and we still have what might be considered "Psychological Territories" which like its land based cousin also has landmarks and limits, and offers the same benefits - survival, resources, group association, and mates.

As an example Satanism is a Psychological Territory. It has Landmarks which defines its territorial boundaries. Landmarks like "Satan" "The Nine Satanic Statements"... and if one were to venture beyond these recognized landmarks, one would not be a "Satanist" anymore.

Emo is just another Psychological Territory... a stupid one, with its own group identity landmarks: the music, the hair, the "dress code" the underdeveloped belief system or group way of seeing life - as depressing...

We should as Satanists embrace our human nature and not fight our natural feelings of hatred for people from other psychological territories... especially those sissies in black from the land of Emo.
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#6001 - 03/20/08 01:15 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Jeseth]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeseth
 Originally Posted By: TheMask
One should not have to change their appearence to be liked.

But that's exactly what emos do in most cases, isn't it? They start dressing a certain way in order to become an accepted member of their "scene."

I agree that it's possible that some of them genuinely like the clothes and haircuts they sport, but it's more likely that they enjoy the feeling they get from going to the mall and knowing that they're part of something bigger than themselves. It could almost be compared to religion when you think of it in that sense, ne?

Yes, thats quite possible.
But the ones arguing against me seem to suggest that because youre born a certain way - Its not right to be made fun of.
If you now choose to be a certain way - Its completely alright to be made fun of, even if that "way" is your way or expressing yourself. I dont consider this to be correct.

Sure, choosing to be a certain way does mean that you have a certain price to pay since you chose to be that way - But that still doesnt make the discrimination that you have to endure any more right in my opinion.

 Originally Posted By: Fist
Ok, I am confused. What are other people doing to you that you find so offensive. How are you being picked on?

Personally, I don't walk around seeking the affirmation of other people.


Misunderstanding me with posts suggesting that i myself am emo. Kind of like the posts you made. I find this a tad annoying.

 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
You really can't compare people teasing, raggin on or even bashing someone with centuries of slavery, aparthied and deep seated discrimination like that.


Thats all in the past in my opinion. These are new ages, black people now have equal rights and even white kids want to be black so that really doesnt work for me. Yes, discrimination still exists and it always will but that just brings me back to my point.

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Yes it's bad and stupid and generalizing to descriminate against someone by their looks, but that is how alot of people are.


I know this very well. Thats not the problem. The sole purpose of this thread was to see what people think of my point since that point started a huge argument on the last forum i was on. I wanted to see what some allegledly intelligent people would think about my point.

Thats really all there is to it. I already know that people are idiots, i already know that everybody discriminates in some way or another and i already know that the mainstream sucks.

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#6002 - 03/20/08 01:15 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
especially those sissies in black from the land of Emo.

Emos wear black? I thought they wore blue denim and neutral-colored band t-shirts?
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#6004 - 03/20/08 01:20 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Jeseth]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeseth
 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
especially those sissies in black from the land of Emo.

Emos wear black? I thought they wore blue denim and neutral-colored band t-shirts?
My bad; there aren't many of them roaming around where i live. I've only seen three and they had black on with glittery belts. I hear they're nomadic and evasive. Its prolly a survival mechanism to avoid being lynched by the aggressive anti-emo brigade.


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/20/08 01:21 PM)
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#6012 - 03/20/08 02:51 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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It is natural to judge someone like that, it's in our genetic make-up. It's just plain moronic to physically harm someone because of the way they look or how they think.

If they want to "slash" themselves and listen to crappy music, that's their problem. I wouldn't go out and kick someone's ass because they're emo. As adults, we should have better things to do anyway. Jumping people on general principle is too high schoolish.
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#6019 - 03/20/08 07:01 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Sinistar]
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 Originally Posted By: Sinistar
I would never say that us Black Metal fans are better than fans of Emo. I'm a grown up. I might've participated in that Black Metal love fest that you're talking about, though.

I also did advise Mask as to just be himself (Before he clarified that he wasn't an Emo per se) and not to worry about what others think.

I'm not clear as to who you're calling a hypocrite because you replied to me, called out Pan, and then started a new paragraph. Just in case, I thought I'd clear my name up a little bit.

Music is great and all but it shouldn't be the lone factor on how we judge other people. Period.


sorry if you thought the comment was directed towards you. i have a tendency to just read the text and not look at who posted or read them all and then forgot who said what. it was mainly directed at the entire first page of people bashing emo.
and the only reason why i replied to that one specific post by Pan was because i found his "i'm original" statement to be absurd.

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#6020 - 03/20/08 07:19 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask
"Emos are picked on relentlessly and why you ask? "

I never asked that. I said that i find it excessive.
Some wise guy once said: "He who minds other people's lives, don't have a life of their own."

I'm just trying really hard to understand why you made it your business to be so concerned about how awful Emos are treated. This is a joke. Who cares?

I mean I can understand it if you were with PETA fighting for the dignity of animals and arguing with people to get them to stop eating meat or wearing fur... I could understand if you stood up for Bush from all the excessive Bush bashing... but Emos???

I can list different groups that get an excessive amount of bashing, and sometimes genocide, and murder, who deserve some real sympathy like the Kurds in Iran-Iraq... Jews... Gays... Transexuals... Japanese guys that like to wear cowboy shit... The Ainu in Japan... Native Americans... Native Australians... Britney Spears... Barbara Walters... Martha Stewart...

But of all things to defend, Mask picks Emos. LOL, and you whine about it too: "stop it, its too excessive, leave them alone..." My god.


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/20/08 07:20 PM)
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#6023 - 03/20/08 07:42 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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Obviously you have nothing to learn here. Why did you bother asking for other peoples opinions only to say they are all invalid and you are misunderstood? Seems like a waste of time to have even bothered....
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#6059 - 03/20/08 10:10 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
I'm just trying really hard to understand why you made it your business to be so concerned about how awful Emos are treated. This is a joke. Who cares?


I just find it a bit annoying seeing as how there are so many worse things to call someone then "emo" and i see people calling each others "omg u fukin emo" alot.

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#6062 - 03/20/08 10:23 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask
 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
I'm just trying really hard to understand why you made it your business to be so concerned about how awful Emos are treated. This is a joke. Who cares?


I just find it a bit annoying seeing as how there are so many worse things to call someone then "emo" and i see people calling each others "omg u fukin emo" alot.


Oh... like 'motherfuckin fag' instead of emo?
well, blaim it on Political Correctness. We can't go around saying stuff like: "Dude, thats gay..." cuz gay people are people to and its politically incorrect. We can't say things like: "dude, what a Jew..." cuz that is tasteless and just plane sorry... this doesn't leave very many derogatory words to call people, so Emo is used in lieu, until the Moral Police takes that word away too.


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#6070 - 03/20/08 11:45 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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What next, "Leave Britney alone" clones jumping in here? Crying for equal rights for Britney and her followers? Leave the fluffy bunny version of Satanism to the Wiccans and internet gods. I'm sick of it. "Might is Right" "Lex Talionis". Grow some leather skin.
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#6072 - 03/21/08 12:13 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: fakepropht]
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Again and again, I will point out their is nothing satanic or sinister about whining and crying "poor pitiful me." You simply look pathetic and nothing more.
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#6073 - 03/21/08 12:54 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Have i been doing this? No.
Youre making yourself look like quite a jackass. I have never said nor suggested that i would do what youre saying - Yet you immidiatly assume so because of one post of mine that contains the word "emo".

Yes, people tend to generalize. But youre really fucking extreme.

 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
 Originally Posted By: TheMask
 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
I'm just trying really hard to understand why you made it your business to be so concerned about how awful Emos are treated. This is a joke. Who cares?


I just find it a bit annoying seeing as how there are so many worse things to call someone then "emo" and i see people calling each others "omg u fukin emo" alot.


Oh... like 'motherfuckin fag' instead of emo?
well, blaim it on Political Correctness. We can't go around saying stuff like: "Dude, thats gay..." cuz gay people are people to and its politically incorrect. We can't say things like: "dude, what a Jew..." cuz that is tasteless and just plane sorry... this doesn't leave very many derogatory words to call people, so Emo is used in lieu, until the Moral Police takes that word away too.


Interesting thought dude.

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#6083 - 03/21/08 05:50 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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What the fuck is an EMO. Isn't he a Seasame Street character. Maybe i'm just getting old and don't fully comprehend all this modern mumbo-jumbo, how about just being YOU.
As for racism, I'm just like any human of any race, it's inherant in all of us.
Like it or loath it, It's part of the human existance.

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#6602 - 03/29/08 09:35 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Octavius]
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 Originally Posted By: Octavius
Modeling your life after a musical movement is idiotic. Hippies, Punks, Emos, headbangers; idiots all. We can all have our musical preferences, but to take that and base your lifestyle around it is self-slavery.



Actually Octavius, someone who does that would be called a musician.

Hm, Emo bait and that was the funniest thread I've read since I registered here.
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#6608 - 03/29/08 12:10 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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From what I've gathered about the emo subculture, such a 'victim' mentality attracts further perpetrators.
Further reinforcing the emo's 'victim' identity.

OK, so what does beating up a bunch of whining emo kids accomplish?
It adds fuel to their fire and attracts public sympathy.

A few more acts like this, with the way things are going in today's politically-correct culture - it will soon be illegal to express hatred towards emos.

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#6728 - 03/30/08 09:29 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Meq]
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Well I was thinking about posting here before but decided I'd wasn't going to until Mask recently told me I should come here and bash him.

So first of all emo is NOT a race. So It's not racism. It's barely even prejudice considering the fact that they are really fucking annoying and pretty much ask for the attention. Good attention makes them feel better. Bad attention fuels there depression or mental instability ( If they have either ) and makes them commit more acts as to draw more attenion. Such as cutting. So btw what is with the mass self mutilation this emo generation seems to like so much and why is it so popular?I guess it's part of the attention seeking? Any opinions?

I am not implying that ALL people's of this emo subculture participate in self harm and am not implying that all people who commit acts of self harm are emo. Merely the fact that it seems in the last few years numbers of people committing self harm have increased and that MANY of them ARE emo. And many of the emo subculture do self harm.
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#6735 - 03/30/08 11:37 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: PigFeeder]
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Truthfully, I didn't even know what "Emo" was until last year. Also, could someone please tell me what the Hell "Scene" is? Am I getting old or something that I've heard of these terms after the fact?

Time to take my Geritol...
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#6762 - 03/30/08 05:54 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: Sinistar]
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pigfeeder slashing was around long before emos.i personally use it to keep my anger in check if im about to snap. pain brings me back to reality ,and the consequence of what you are about to do, and release some of that rage.the last time i was pissed off my legs where black and blue for a week from punching them until i had calmed down.metal also has its share of slashing culture thought if you think about it. how many metal heads had slayer cut into their forearms after the divine intervention album.

what i find annoying about (cutting) is that they are weak little cuts and that is not self harm, that is attention seeking if you are going to self mutilate do it right, do it deep, hidden,let your hate out on your flesh, when they are angry cuts they are not all in line neatly cut(think more of an abstract painting) this is how you can tell.so yes slashing has kept me out of jail many a time by giving me a vent for my hate.wounds heal.
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#6769 - 03/30/08 06:48 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: PigFeeder]
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 Originally Posted By: PigFeeder
So first of all emo is NOT a race. So It's not racism. It's barely even prejudice considering the fact that they are really fucking annoying and pretty much ask for the attention. Good attention makes them feel better. Bad attention fuels there depression or mental instability ( If they have either ) and makes them commit more acts as to draw more attenion. Such as cutting.


You obviously missed the point. Its about discrimination and not pure race. Racism is about discrimination. Discrimination against someone because of the way that they look should be no further from that then. That is the point that im trying to make.

As for your "its not prejudice"-comment, your comment is prejudice. You seem to think that every emo existing on the face of the earth wants to get some kind of attention so thats why its alright to rag down on them so much. What about the ones that just like the style and/or music and arent even that interested in attention? Im guessing that they should adapt to your prejudice.

For that matter i think we all love to get attention some way or another.

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#6771 - 03/30/08 07:02 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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See what you did Mask, now your being bashed in two threads; if i remember my history correctly fighting a two front war is what did the Nazis in... bad war strategy. Your thinning yourself out.

Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/30/08 07:03 PM)
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#6774 - 03/30/08 07:41 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: rob_church]
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I will not lie, I have been fond of something and carved it into myself but.. I have a few things to say.

They ARE hidden and aren't out for people to see. They weren't little paper cuts for attention. I didn't do it out of sadness I did it out of power. Out of something I admired. I think of it more as scarification though or using scars as a way of permanently tattooing yourself. I have my girlfriends name in several places, I have Gorgoroth on my arm. On the day of 06 06 2006 I carved 666 into my arm.

But I guess what I MEANT and should have said is: What is with the massive self pity associated with the self harm issue many of the emo subculture has. They are harming themselves much more now then ever before. And are doing it for attention. So I guess the real question here is: Why is it so many people are trying to get attention these days?

By the way I didn't say that slashing and self harm never existed, I am only stating that it has almost become normal, many of the children are doing it just because.


Your argument of "Not every emo wants attention" hold no water whatsoever. It is complete bullshit. I have met so many people on myspace, many being emo or whatever, they talk to me and I think they're okay. Then they start getting closer and friendlier and thats when the whining and Im gonna kill myself shit starts out. Every single god damn little emo kid out there cries about there life and it's sickening. As a Satanist I believe that if something is wrong in your life then take it into your hands. Don't wallow in your self pity and complain to everyone you meet.

As to the "not a race" comment you tryed to argue with me about. YOU are the one that tried comparing the subculture to racism and jew or black hating. So don't give me that bullshit now. Pick an argument and at least have the balls to admit that you were wrong or made a faulty statement.


Edited by PigFeeder (03/30/08 07:46 PM)
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#6789 - 03/30/08 10:31 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: PigFeeder]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
See what you did Mask, now your being bashed in two threads; if i remember my history correctly fighting a two front war is what did the Nazis in... bad war strategy. Your thinning yourself out.


Uhm, white power?


 Originally Posted By: PigFeeder
Your argument of "Not every emo wants attention" hold no water whatsoever. It is complete bullshit. I have met so many people on myspace, many being emo or whatever, they talk to me and I think they're okay. Then they start getting closer and friendlier and thats when the whining and Im gonna kill myself shit starts out. Every single god damn little emo kid out there cries about there life and it's sickening. As a Satanist I believe that if something is wrong in your life then take it into your hands. Don't wallow in your self pity and complain to everyone you meet.

As to the "not a race" comment you tryed to argue with me about. YOU are the one that tried comparing the subculture to racism and jew or black hating. So don't give me that bullshit now. Pick an argument and at least have the balls to admit that you were wrong or made a faulty statement.


Ok, youve met alot of emos. So WHAT? What exactly is your point here? You have met alot of emos and now you think that every single emo is like that? Why dont you join the KKK while youre at it if youre going to base a group of people on the encounters of few?

As for that last point of yours you were trying to make i dont even understand what the fuck youre talking about. I told you what i have said from the beginning thus i am sticking with my original argument.

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#6790 - 03/30/08 10:38 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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No, not white power. I meant you're now in two anti-emo threads, that gives more oportunity for people to attack you. It's not Satanic to stick up for the weak Mask. You never explained to us what you are if you're not a Satanist? My comp is wacked out right now, i can't watch you vid yet.
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#6791 - 03/30/08 10:44 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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That was a joke. And yes, i know. Im used to being attacked.

Dude, you know that im not a Laveyan Satanist. I did explain in this thread that i am a Theist Satanist.

Those satanic values in Laveys book that youre talking about dont have to apply to me. In fact, i couldnt care less. I do what i think is right and dont get me wrong, hes a intelligent man and i plan on reading his book but i really couldnt care less as how he thinks i should live my own life.

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#6792 - 03/30/08 11:16 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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Oh, I thought you were inferring that I was a racist \:\)

I guess I was so into attacking you I forgot to read the part where you explain your religious belief.

This is interesting thoe; I mean your belief in a supernatural higher power. I'm curious, what makes you believe that their is more to everything than what material stuff we see? You seem intelligent, so i'm not expecting a dumb answer.

Basically what I'm asking is what in nature, or what have you seen or experienced that brought to to know that their is an intelligent entity out there. And what is it?

Even thoe I'm genuinely interested, this question is a trick question. When you expose your personal beliefs, opinions, and ideas, you risk getting attact.

~Kayla


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#6801 - 03/31/08 01:42 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I'm curious to see as how you will find an intelligent reply to Kayla's question. As to what you said about my comment earlier. Im not even going to bother because it sounded so idiotic and childish, I dont want to waste my timke scrolling back up to look at your post again.
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#6813 - 03/31/08 03:00 AM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Oh ok. Do you have anything else to say that you hope will make you look superiour and smart?

 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
Oh, I thought you were inferring that I was a racist \:\)

I guess I was so into attacking you I forgot to read the part where you explain your religious belief.

This is interesting thoe; I mean your belief in a supernatural higher power. I'm curious, what makes you believe that their is more to everything than what material stuff we see? You seem intelligent, so i'm not expecting a dumb answer.

Basically what I'm asking is what in nature, or what have you seen or experienced that brought to to know that their is an intelligent entity out there. And what is it?

Even thoe I'm genuinely interested, this question is a trick question. When you expose your personal beliefs, opinions, and ideas, you risk getting attact.

~Kayla


When i was younger i used to be a muslim. My parents tried to get me to like what they liked. But when i grew up i became more of an agnostic/Atheist. I was an Atheist until about 6 months ago when i started to think about something.

How God must be evil. And how Satan must be good, The Liberator of Mankind. I came to the realisation that most Devil worshippers do but i didnt know that back then. At first this was just a theory but then it started to get more then that.

My girlfriend at the time was also into devil worshipping. She told me about a curse that had been put on her long ago from a ouji-board game. She asked the spirit one of the things not meant to ask, when youre going to die. It said this summer so we had to find a way to break it because even if it isnt true we didnt want to take that risk.

So we had to find a ritual for it and there was a ritual appropriate. Becoming a blackpriest and having Satan run through your body. Around that time i was looking up "summoning satan" on google when the JoS website came up and i found out that the theory i had was the same theory that devil worshipping went by. That increased my interest a bit more.

So anyway, we asked a girl we know for more help on it and finally we all got together and performed that ritual. It went well. She started shaking during the ritual and she later told me that she really did feel it and that she saw a bit of a light. She was shaky in her legs. It had worked.
Me and my girlfriend at the time also played a homemade ouji-board game and got in touch with a spirit and it was an interesting experience which helped me believe in the spiritual world more. I think that ive always believed in ghosts perhaps a bit.

All of these things got me to be more confident in the thought that there is something out there, a spiritual world for us to get in touch with. JoS website also got me interested in Astral Projection and Power Meditation. So all of these things together just got me to believe in what i believe in more.


So thats my story about it. I dont have anything that overwhealming to tell you and i dont care if you find this ridiclous and laughable. Thats what i think.
And i also think that everything doesnt have to be explained with something that man created like science. Man is flawable. Perhaps God made it this hard to prove him to see which ones would actually believe and pick a side.

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#6845 - 03/31/08 12:31 PM Re: Emos and racism. [Re: TheMask]
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Demons, spirits, and gods must have a really boring existance then. I would hate to have to answer the call, evertime someone was playing with a board game.

Being God must be the worst of them all. Having to come up with little tests to see who is and isn't on your side.
Then, when it's all said and done, you are still bored, and will just flood a world, or send a plague.
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#6980 - 04/01/08 09:18 PM Satan Is Real Because... [Re: TheMask]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask


 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
... You seem intelligent, so i'm not expecting a dumb answer.

Basically what I'm asking is what in nature, or what have you seen or experienced that brought to to know that their is an intelligent entity out there. And what is it?

~Kayla


When i was younger i used to be a muslim.

My girlfriend at the time was also into devil worshipping. She told me about a curse that had been put on her long ago from a ouji-board game.

So anyway... Me and my girlfriend at the time also played a homemade ouji-board game and got in touch with a spirit and it was an interesting experience which helped me believe in the spiritual world more. I think that ive always believed in ghosts perhaps a bit.

So all of these things together just got me to believe in what i believe in more.


Wow! That was the most thought provoking answer ever!....

NOT! At least you proved an old adage for me. They say you can tell how a guy is in bed by how good he dances...

I'm kinda deficient in the sex with guys department, but this experience right here comes pretty close.

I was anticipating and expecting something amazing, something that Stimulated my Mind and made me think, but you gave me the most anti-climactic answer ever. I asked you why you believed Satan was real and you basically just said: {{{Well, my girlfriend was a devil worshipper; then she busted out the ouija board, and that totally made me a believer.}}}

I'm so dissapointed. I guess I severely over estimated your intelligence. I'll let you redeem your dignity. Please think this question over again and see if you can come up with a better answer. Pretend you're trying to convert me or make me see things your way. I'm actually very interested why you personally choose to believe that Satan is a real being.

~Kayla



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#7017 - 04/02/08 01:18 AM Re: Satan Is Real Because... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Im not interested in converting anyone. Youre supposed to find your own way. Those things helped me belive in and increased my interest in the spiritual world while i already had a theory about Satan being a good deity. I dont need a definite answer to why i chose what i have chosen to be interested in, i already gave you the story and you werent satisfied so you picked out two parts you didnt like and based it on that. Im guessing you didnt even read about the actual ritual with Satan that helped my interest grow and proved to me that something exists. Pfft.

Why should i try to persuade a non-believer? Some people believe - Some dont. Im not trying to sell anything here and to be honest i could not give one fuck less about what you think of my "dignity". Thats your opinion and i really dont think that i can care about it, youre a person that i dont seem to agree with on several matters and whether IRL or over the internet i dont see why i should have to care/prove anything to you.

You dont have to take offence, but if these matters arent good enough for you - So be it.


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#7021 - 04/02/08 01:44 AM Re: Satan Is Real Because... [Re: TheMask]
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Oh okay Kayla, you got it wrong. It was the ritual, devil worshipping, and ouiji board that made him believe something. Why does that sound familiar.. Oh yeah - Salem Witch Trials.

She didn't ask you to persuade her, and she never said she was non-believer, she merely asked you to pretend so that you gave the best answer you could. And you came out with a lousy story of your devil worshipping girlfriend? Nice..

 Originally Posted By: TheMask
Why should i try to persuade a non-believer? Some people believe - Some dont. Im not trying to sell anything here and to be honest i could not give one fuck less about what you think of my "dignity". Thats your opinion and i really dont think that i can care about it, youre a person that i dont seem to agree with on several matters and whether IRL or over the internet i dont see why i should have to care/prove anything to you.


So is this your way of saying, no, I don't have a real answer for you? You're just another little kid make believing in something because you think it's cool or rebellious. You can't even explain why you believe in something, how can we not see you as a fake?
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#7022 - 04/02/08 01:53 AM Re: Satan Is Real Because... [Re: PigFeeder]
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Also Mask, please notice I was nice to you and didn't use foul language, and i don't believe i judged your beliefs either. But whatever. I'm over it.

kla


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#7032 - 04/02/08 03:16 AM Re: Satan Is Real Because... [Re: PigFeeder]
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Aaaaawwwwww. Dont be mad Kayla.
Ill give you a pic of me emo-posing..?

"Wow! That was the most thought provoking answer ever!....

NOT!

I guess I severely over estimated your intelligence. I'll let you redeem your dignity."

You didnt need to use foul language. Your tone was condescending enough.
I just found it absurd that you claim i have lost my e-dignity over the story that i have. Or that i would even want/have to win it back to you, for that matter. It made you sound like youre above me and that i have something to prove to you.

I dont know what you were expecting, maybe something mindblowing like Satan exposing himself to me in the middle of the forest - But that is my story which i told and if it isnt good enough for you i dont have much to say. Maybe you asked the wrong questions.
Maybe you should ask me why i consider Satan to be good.

 Originally Posted By: PigFeeder
So is this your way of saying, no, I don't have a real answer for you? You're just another little kid make believing in something because you think it's cool or rebellious. You can't even explain why you believe in something, how can we not see you as a fake?


Why should i care if you think im fake? I really have nothing to prove.
I already explained what got me interested in it.

But perhaps i didnt express myself correctly.
I havent started practicing it that much yet so i wouldnt call myself a full devil worshipper, rather a Agnostical Devil Worshipper. But if i do have to put myself in the category of a Theist Satanist then i will. I do believe that what i believe is something. But i havent explored it further, as of yet.

Thats a bit funny btw. In my "Hello im new here"-thread DaVinci asked me what my religious preference was and i told pretty much this same story.
Nobody made fun of me then or claimed that my reasons to believe in something were inadiquete. They were nice and welcomed me to the site, said that it was nice to have someone with different beliefs.

So what is this problem that you seem to be having with me then? Perhaps i didnt explain myself clearly enough. You tell me if this information makes any difference.


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#7043 - 04/02/08 09:06 AM Re: Satan Is Real Because... [Re: TheMask]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask
Aaaaawwwwww. Dont be mad Kayla.
Ill give you a pic of me emo-posing..?

"Wow! That was the most thought provoking answer ever!....

NOT!

I guess I severely over estimated your intelligence. I'll let you redeem your dignity."

You didnt need to use foul language. Your tone was condescending enough.
I just found it absurd that you claim i have lost my e-dignity over the story that i have. Or that i would even want/have to win it back to you, for that matter. It made you sound like youre above me and that i have something to prove to you.

I dont know what you were expecting, maybe something mindblowing like Satan exposing himself to me in the middle of the forest - But that is my story which i told and if it isnt good enough for you i dont have much to say. Maybe you asked the wrong questions.
Maybe you should ask me why i consider Satan to be good.

 Originally Posted By: PigFeeder
So is this your way of saying, no, I don't have a real answer for you? You're just another little kid make believing in something because you think it's cool or rebellious. You can't even explain why you believe in something, how can we not see you as a fake?


Why should i care if you think im fake? I really have nothing to prove.
I already explained what got me interested in it.

But perhaps i didnt express myself correctly.
I havent started practicing it that much yet so i wouldnt call myself a full devil worshipper, rather a Agnostical Devil Worshipper. But if i do have to put myself in the category of a Theist Satanist then i will. I do believe that what i believe is something. But i havent explored it further, as of yet.

Thats a bit funny btw. In my "Hello im new here"-thread DaVinci asked me what my religious preference was and i told pretty much this same story.
Nobody made fun of me then or claimed that my reasons to believe in something were inadiquete. They were nice and welcomed me to the site, said that it was nice to have someone with different beliefs.

So what is this problem that you seem to be having with me then? Perhaps i didnt explain myself clearly enough. You tell me if this information makes any difference.


I was being sarcastic in a big sister way. I guess I skipt that part of your intro. No hard feelings.

Here think about this, lets say I was a witch doctor/hypnotherapist and I did a ritual on your girlfriend and tarred and feathered her, then hypnotized her to act like a chicken every time she saw you; and she did...

Does this mean a chicken spirit was inside of here, or is there something else happening?

~Kayla
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#7046 - 04/02/08 10:02 AM Re: Satan Is Real Because... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Thats you hypnotizing her.
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#7080 - 04/02/08 08:59 PM Re: Satan Is Real Because... [Re: TheMask]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask
Thats you hypnotizing her.
OMG. I'm not gunna even try. What counts is your happy where you are. Just remeber our personal beliefs are a reflection of our individual intelligence, mental capacity, level of education, and understandings. They say a lot about a person.

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