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#5802 - 03/17/08 07:43 AM The Great Tantra Challenge
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The president of Rationalist International, Sanal Edamaruku, challenged a tantrik to curse him to death live on Indian television. Full article here.

Sanal came out of the event unscathed in what is being seen as a victory for rationalism in India. Of course, it could also be the case that Sanal was just a more powerful 'magician' than his opponent, even if he wouldn't describe himself as such.

(I admit I was a little dissapointed that the 'challenge' wasn't some sort of sex marathon, though.)

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#5810 - 03/17/08 12:31 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: Stag]
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Fantastic article. My utmost respect goes out to Sanal Edamaruku, in regards to bringing one, unrefutable, victory to rationalism. I wish there were more like him.

In the U.S, we do have "The amaizing Randy," but unfortunately, it seems that Americans of faith, would rather burry their heads in the sand, then to admit that their philosophies and religions are not all that they claim.
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#5812 - 03/17/08 01:38 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: Asmedious]
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This doesn't really sound like tantra to me, tantra literally means "weaving" and this is ignorance to believe tantra is about cursing, a quick survey of historical tantra will reveal this isn't the case at all.

Also tantra isn't about sex either, granted, that is one branch of the art but as for rationalism, it's both of you and the crazy tv show that underlines the term "ignorance"...

Try reading a little more from reliable sources before putting your foot in your mouth. All I see are two idiots congratulating each other on discovering nothing new at all except new ways to expand misunderstanding of already well established scientific disciplines poorly understood by public crowds who will sensationalize anything just as long as it looks good on tv or gets ratings.

Why the fuck are you watching tv anyways? Everyone knows it's for complete morons...

Tantra is a science of mind, and a good way to get your yayas out esoterically...


Edited by 97and107 (03/17/08 02:11 PM)
Edit Reason: edited to seem more scathing and hateful

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#5818 - 03/17/08 02:45 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: 97and107]
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Damn, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning Naomi? You're coming arcross more 'whiny and petulant' than 'scathing and hateful'.

Did I say this article was a definitive study of the tantric arts? It should however serve as a example on the nature of magick - what works, and more importantly, what doesn't -- and why. Do I really have to spell this out?

As for the 'sex marathon' quip, that was a joke.

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#5827 - 03/17/08 03:50 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: Stag]
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Why are you so ignorant of tantra, any Satanist should really know what this is about, it's one of the foundational arts of magick and quite good at discerning truth from fiction, it was developed in response to the lack of freedom in Vedic society, a Satanic movement in itself thousands of years before Christ. *Hinduism* is not defined immediately by religion but by the search for truth, Ayurvedic methods and the flowery language of the Vedas stand in stark opposition to each other because religion is never mentioned in the Vedas at all, the complete truth in philosophy and the conclusion of arousal to becoming absolute god in mind - transcendentalism is the goal of ancient Hindu philosophy. It became separated into a relgiion when India joined the rest of the world, yet today the goal of the tantricist is to rejoin all corroded threads of knowledge and situate the mind in such a way that absolute truth is uncovered and one exists in a state of perfect balance and equilibrium with universe.

Hinduism has come under attack from many sides for reasons unknown to me yet. The same thing is happening to Satanism and I feel like if the truth is going to come out - the real truth, bound by nature and exposed by science, one has to remain objective and have a firm grasp of what is bastardized and what is misunderstood. There is a good amount of mind science going on in the culture of India and China and preserving that until we can sort the gold from the lead is essential, as is intense scrutiny of people parading as tantricists when essentially they are nothing but sensationalists and charlatans.



The recovery of our ancient and transcendental truths have to be recovered carefully and without prejudice to secure the hope for a much brighter future.

I don't find your article important I think it is a rediculous distraction aimed at covering up the real truth of the matter, both sides are inherently wrong and this is dangerous because the human race simply does not have time for this kind of crap.

Both religious extremism and false logic are to be discarded, then and only then can the real work begin.


Edited by 97and107 (03/17/08 03:53 PM)

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#5828 - 03/17/08 04:08 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: 97and107]
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Well, I for one stand humbled by your superior knowledge of tantra. Less so by your reading comprehension skills. If you want to lecture us on the finer aspects of tantra, by all means do so, but that isn't why I posted the article above.

Incidently, the efforts of people like Sanal Edamaruku are essential if we're to go about separating the 'gold from the lead', don't you think?

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#5834 - 03/17/08 07:06 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: Stag]
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 Originally Posted By: Stag
Sanal came out of the event unscathed in what is being seen as a victory for rationalism in India. Of course, it could also be the case that Sanal was just a more powerful 'magician' than his opponent, even if he wouldn't describe himself as such.


As usual Stag, your understanding of Magick is way beyond the norm. Thanks for this \:\)

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#5837 - 03/17/08 08:05 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: Stag]
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 Originally Posted By: Stag
Well, I for one stand humbled by your superior knowledge of tantra. Less so by your reading comprehension skills. If you want to lecture us on the finer aspects of tantra, by all means do so, but that isn't why I posted the article above.

Incidently, the efforts of people like Sanal Edamaruku are essential if we're to go about separating the 'gold from the lead', don't you think?

Stag


Not really, no. I'm placing more stock in forward thinkers and logistical think tanks than outdated and obviously sensationalist "debunkers" and apologists, there simply isn't time for that shit.

Tantra is an invaluable tool and the "debunking" he was doing was a joke in itself, it would be like a Christian finding evidence of Satanism's psychotic and bloodthirsty nature in people like Susan Atkins.

Do you find this to be a unbiased search for truth, or just sensationalism? Just because something agrees with your ignorance of facts does not excuse you from first weighing the facts truthfully yourself before celebrating a victory for science.

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#5902 - 03/19/08 12:08 AM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: 97and107]
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I always thot that Yantras and mantras, as the Mon-Khmer Shaktas practice it, would fit better in the "magic" category; which maybe tested and tried to be debunked. To me Tantra and Chi Gung are a very similar 'science.' I wonder if Bodi Darma brought Tantra and pranayama over from India to China, or if Chi Gung evolved on its own? I'm not really sure how you would debunk something like Tantra or Chi gung. Especially when different schools have different meanings and understandings of the word - such as Tibet's Buddhist Tantra...

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#5932 - 03/19/08 03:46 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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As far as I know; they all stemmed from the fertile crescent with Chi Kung (Gung) continuing its journey East. And yes, they can all be referred to as Magick if you are so inclined or educated ;\)
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#7376 - 04/07/08 05:22 AM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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Any fool who appears on television to carry out a death magic ritual is doomed if he fails and doomed if he succeeds.

Magic is not complex, and the reason for his failure isn't complex either.

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#9877 - 06/28/08 04:05 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: Xutech]
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 Originally Posted By: Xutech
Any fool who appears on television to carry out a death magic ritual is doomed if he fails and doomed if he succeeds.

Magic is not complex, and the reason for his failure isn't complex either.


I agree...

In fact-

"I informally challenge ANY magician
To a bout...
I give them six days
Exactly from the time and date of this post...
To see if they can curse me to death"

For those who know of anyone up for the challenge...
Spread the word around...
six days.

Tune in to the 600 club on Sunday...
4:06 eastern time


Edited by -iblis- (06/28/08 04:07 PM)

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#9885 - 06/28/08 06:26 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: -iblis-]
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...and I thought you actually understood what Magick was.

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#9894 - 06/29/08 08:28 AM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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 Originally Posted By: Mercury_Templar
...and I thought you actually understood what Magick was.


and I thought you actually understood
what sarcasm was...

obviously you don't...


Edited by -iblis- (06/29/08 08:30 AM)

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#9899 - 06/29/08 09:10 AM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: -iblis-]
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i might curse you to sexathon, that work?

um... the irony of all of this is that no one would ever do that.
those who have the power know how it works and you don't just end someone's life because they're goading you.

totally ridiculous.
its like saying 'if im lying may god strike me dead'
well, he's not going to whether you're lying or not.
Just like a Tantric Master is not going to end your life.

i do however reserve the right to sexathon any one of you at will.

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#9901 - 06/29/08 09:22 AM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: aelius]
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As I explained before...
I was pointing out my sarcasm

What happened on that television show
I feel
did not benefit either party...

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#9911 - 06/29/08 05:16 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: -iblis-]
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Try using emoticons ;\)

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#9919 - 06/29/08 07:17 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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It is very tempting...
But I need just a few more misunderstandings
to get that level...

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#9930 - 06/30/08 12:38 AM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: aelius]
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Aelius, are you a succubus?
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#10022 - 07/02/08 10:01 AM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: Sinthesis]
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Sorry, I'm not contributing in any way, but for some reason I almost just laughed my ass off at this...
Thank you, now it's off my shoulders.

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#10025 - 07/02/08 07:45 PM Re: The Great Tantra Challenge [Re: Sinthesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Sinthesis
Aelius, are you a succubus?

Talk about something being tragic and hysterical... Well that and all these one liners...

~T~

You were being sarcastic I hope... A real succubus would never come out in such a public place... ;\)


Edited by ta2zz (07/02/08 07:47 PM)
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