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#58452 - 08/22/11 12:00 AM When they killed in name of "god".
Guido Offline
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In Argentina, during the period 1976-1983 the country was ruled by a criminal dictatorship that killed a lot of inocent people. These dictators were, of course, supported by the catholic church. The priests/christians cowardly keeped quietly while some people was being tortured to death just to express their opinions.

They made the falklands war against britain. They screwed my country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reorganization_Process

What do you think of these kind of dictators?

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#58457 - 08/22/11 01:37 AM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: Guido]
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I wouldn't consider it a "killing in the name" situation, but rather a conservative vs liberal situation, or specifically, militarist dictatorship under the influence of businessmen (Consejo Empresario Argentino) who convinced the army that the private sector and incentive were being hijacked by the present "Peronista" government. The Catholic Church, always on the conservative side (except for in Central America), obviously didn't oppose and the United States, already with puppet governments set up all over Latin America (a matter of National Security) promised to look the other way. In essence, one could argue that the businessmen bought the army, and hijacked the country.

Many on this site are for private incentive, so am I, yet -ironically- this incident, called "National Organization Process" raised the level of poverty, divided the country into the hands of a few (the "Military Junta" and the rich impresarios) and basically destroyed the country.

I personally do not respect a ruler who destroys his own country for profit.

In my country, there was a 36-year civil war, and over 100,000 people dead or missing. It's almost the same scenario, so I know where you are coming from, except that the Catholic Church (for a change) supported the rebel cause. In the early 1980's, an evangelical christian general took over, did a grotesque amount of atrocities which include genocide, disappearance of instigators or anyone who disagreed, and so on. On top of that, he encouraged evangelical missionaries and establishments to counter the Catholic Church to the point where now-a-days there's a damn church at and in between every corner. A real hassle.



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#58460 - 08/22/11 03:25 AM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: a. don]
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The history shows that many massacres etc. have done in the name of god and without name of god, even atheistic governments do a lot in this way. My ancestors experienced in middle of last century very similar time and regime in Soviet Union, especially hard was Stalin’s policy against all who were against collectivization and other communist and socialist utopias and even real communists were always in fear, because they can be sentenced to death or sent to work camps in Siberia or Far East Regions of SU. A bit later were culture revolution in China leaded by Mao Dze Dun and Pol Pot’s regime in Cambodia. The history repeats! In the name of God or without God the same is done again and again…

LaVey is right, seventh satanic statement says ‘Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development", has become the most vicious animal of all!’
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#58472 - 08/22/11 11:44 AM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: Latvian]
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I would sustain than man always struggles for power. A religion or ideology constitutes a framework to operate within, but is not as causal as the phenomenon of man's ambition.

Not that ambition is wrong, but like I stated earlier, a government, or ruling body, has a certain responsibility with its people, and if it shuns such responsibility for profit (the very definition of corruption), then it has failed its purpose.

Responsibility to the responsible.

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#58488 - 08/22/11 09:26 PM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: a. don]
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Yes, of course, a lot of atrocities were done with or without god. But i think it's very coward to do something hiding behind some inexistent god, like the inquisition in Europe.

The killings made in the Soviet Union were terrible, and the real cause of that revolution in Russia was changed in order to supply some personal need while the people was murdered, tortured or died of starvation.

The catholic church has been one the most killing insitutions in history (if its not the worst).


In my country the catholics put e lot of opposition to the same sex marriage, raping the right of some indivduals to conceive marriage. But fortunately the freedom has won. The people is waking up, and i think its happening in the rest of the world.

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#58539 - 08/24/11 01:45 AM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: Guido]
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 Originally Posted By: Guido
The Catholic Church has been one the most killing institutions in history

You're right. It's terrible institution. For example - Malleus Maleficarum! It’s right to kill everyone, because everyone can be accused like many laws of Christian Bible.

But there is nothing new. Anton Szandor LaVey wrote in TSB, that Christian Church thrives on hypocrisy and reveal some secrets of its success and power: ‘The most dangerous of all enthroned lies is the holy, the sanctified, the privileged lie – the lie everyone believes to be a model truth. It is the fruitful mother of all other popular errors and delusions. It is a hydra-headed tree of unreason with a thousand roots. It is a social cancer!’.

The last satanic statement is 'Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!'.

And there is thing what we can do: ‘Popular lies have ever been the most potent enemies of personal liberty. There is only one way to deal with them: Cut them out, to the very core, just as cancers. Exterminate them root and branch. Annihilate them, or they will us!’
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#58578 - 08/24/11 09:13 PM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: Latvian]
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Ye, the annoying part is that they send out effeminate guys to knock on your door and chat shit in your face, this is the image of what Christianity is, priests, nuns and churches and all that outer stuff, really our laws and morality imposed all around is an infection people don't realise they are infected with.

It's like “Oh, I'm not even remotely Christian, when those guys come to my door, I tell them where to go” *looking pleased with himself*

Then the guy who just said that gives a condescending look to his wife who hasn't done her chores round the house. Then he goes off to lecture his son on humility and equality, or some other slave morality.

Christianity is quite a clever conspiracy because of the outer or obviously identifiable form being judged separate to the ideas about reality being spoon fed to everyone.

I know atheists who still have x mas tree's and whom drink alcohol on x mas and drive, and so, risk smashing up their children every year in festive fashion.


Edited by Hegesias (08/24/11 09:15 PM)
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#58581 - 08/25/11 01:07 AM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: Hegesias]
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I am failing to get what this thread is about, Dictators? National Organization Process (Argentina)? Spanish Inquisition? Killing in the name of god? Good old-fashioned Christian Bashing?



Edited by a. don (08/25/11 01:35 AM)

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#58582 - 08/25/11 01:31 AM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: Latvian]
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 Originally Posted By: Latvian


And there is thing what we can do: ‘Popular lies have ever been the most potent enemies of personal liberty. There is only one way to deal with them: Cut them out, to the very core, just as cancers. Exterminate them root and branch. Annihilate them, or they will us!’



How do you plan on doing that? Would you be the first one to do so? How would the masses react?

When a society has been built on certain foundations (whether they be lies), or has certain "mass habits" it turns out if you try to stop them (eliminate the foundations), they will return with even greater impulse and persistence. When a society is "addicted", you take away its addiction and immediately create a void. People start missing their old habits, and regress.

Wouldn't it be a lot more useful if one were to draw relation between himself and the present paradigm to obtain power and, if needed, transform little by little the current belief system??

For example, if you live in a 98% muslim country, and are a secularist radical seeking power who wants to transform your backward country into a modern one, how would you gain the majority's support, declaring your radical ideals, or posing as a practicing muslim reciting the prophet often and drawing a parallel between you and him??

I think the latter would prove the most effective to say the least. It's kind of a "wolf in sheep's clothing" sort of thing.


Edited by a. don (08/25/11 01:33 AM)

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#58585 - 08/25/11 03:46 AM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: a. don]
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 Originally Posted By: a. don
Would you be the first one to do so? How would the masses react?

I think that not only I, but we almost all Satanists do it. We don't believe in pipedreams of society; dogmas of men invented religions, especially dominate state religion, atheistic utopias (like it was in SU and now is in North Korea etc...), RHP philosophies, white religions.

We are smart and don't obey even other herd control institutions...

Of course we don't practice counterproductive pride, when exposing of our beliefs can be danger for us.

As well we know 11 satanic rules on the earth and I practice 'When walking in open territory, bother no one.' I don't educate herd... Masses needs stupid pipedreams to cover harsh reality.
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#58587 - 08/25/11 04:38 AM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: Latvian]
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I think the disclosure of the Satanist thing is silly. Why? Because if it's dangerous to disclose ones beliefs it's only because Satanism is not threatening. It's like when you observe somebody hurt an animal, you visit violence to the person. This is because you have observed a much to vulgar a display of power.

Now in a simple way, saying you're a Satanist is just as likely to get people debating whether to fuck with you or not as it were to be a conceited and arrogant prick about anything, but if it gets out that you're, say, a murderer or a violent criminal, then nobody gives a fuck about your beliefs, they just know that it's not big and clever to play games with you.

It's a reputation thing: After 9/11, yardies and whites think every Arab will be some kind of kamikaze nutter who'll blow up as much as look at him wrong. Now if I were an Arab fellow and I was in a gang, I'd be a fool not to work with such a reputation, there'd be nothing else to do with such a reputation, it's not like you'd go round preaching you're peaceful and give up making money. Unless you was a proper Muslim, but who the hell knows the difference. Who even cares? Everyone gets blamed for something someone else has done, and as soon as you are part of a group you take all that shit on your shoulders.

It's never the religions or the causal forms you apprehend as the causes for violence, it's anti social personalities whom infiltrate and express their sadistic streak through what appears to be social normatives on the outside.
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#58598 - 08/25/11 12:18 PM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: Latvian]
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 Originally Posted By: Latvian


As well we know 11 satanic rules on the earth and I practice 'When walking in open territory, bother no one.' I don't educate herd... Masses needs stupid pipedreams to cover harsh reality.


Then you understand my point. The masses, and the psychology behind such can be studied and manipulated. Why would you even try to give that up?? It's quite a useful resource.

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#58600 - 08/25/11 12:39 PM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: Hegesias]
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That is an interesting point, and I think the definition of "lesser magic": Play on perception can be a very useful tool.

Yet consider this, let's say you are new to a place, and want to leave a "bad-ass" impression. Let's say you bump into somebody, and they say "Watch where you're going". According to the impression you want to leave, you'd deck the motherfucker. People would then not mess with you knowing that you would deliver a disproportionate reaction to theirs. However, those who would have the courage to mess with you wouldn't take the matter lightly and would probably attack you with an even worse brutality then you are known for. Now, to save face (if you still have one) you'd have to "out-brutalitize" them, and subsequently they you, creating an endless violent cycle which can end either in a pyrrhic victory (having wasted valuable effort and time on proving a silly point -unless- however, that is what your life goal is), or your final destruction.

You mentioned the Arab "gangster" earlier being foolish not to play on the general perception. But consider this, if some violent act of terror is committed in this person's area of residence, who do you think they are going to hunt down? Imagine if this person is really a regular dude trying to make a living, and just hangs out with friends, therefore belonging to a "gang", would it have been helpful to have related oneself to the common perception of arabs being terrorists??

Don't get me wrong, I think that playing with perception can be useful as another tool towards a short-term goal (after a while, people just might see through the ruse). But one mustn't confuse "playing" with perception with "abusing" with perception.


Edited by a. don (08/25/11 12:44 PM)

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#58605 - 08/25/11 04:54 PM Re: When they killed in name of "god". [Re: a. don]
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In reality, in my first post I didn't say anything new... I just repeat some basic satanic truth... and in second I said the same basics.

Always has been stratification of people. Satanic philosophy isn't for herd mentality. Masses always want to go easy way and be led by someone. The hardest thing for sheep is to take life in its own hand.

Satanism is individualistic and Satanists don't need pipedreams. We know that we are animals and don't believe in afterlife and divinity of men.
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