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#6031 - 03/20/08 08:16 PM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Funny thing is TC, if men are weakening because of the holy 'vagina' wouldn't this then make them the 'weaker' sex. Men are starting to loose ground in all sorts of arena's because now that women have strength taken out of the equation, they are getting what they want, while men bitch and wine about how unfair it all is.

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#6041 - 03/20/08 08:54 PM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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no, what i meant by my statement is that men are superior in strength which is mostly all that was needed in order to survive.
contrary to popular belief, force will always beat intelligence. and now in modern times strenght isn't all that necessary to survive so men are equal to women in that sense.

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#6043 - 03/20/08 08:59 PM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: L Fern Tej]
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 Originally Posted By: L Fern Tej
no, what i meant by my statement is that men are superior in strength which is mostly all that was needed in order to survive.
contrary to popular belief, force will always beat intelligence. and now in modern times strenght isn't all that necessary to survive so men are equal to women in that sense.


I still don't think the genders are equal. we each have our strong and weak points. we are physically not equal...
mentally we are different, we each see and interpret life very differently... we love differently... we feel emotions or react to things differently emotionally... we are sexually different: we women can go on and on and cum over and over, whereas a guy falls a sleep after one or two... we women are happy with one person as long as we are loved... men are happy with many girls, as long as they get some...

How are men and women equal?


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#6044 - 03/20/08 09:06 PM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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but all you're doing is comparing different aspects of men and women and rephrasing what i said in previous posts. you yourself just stated that we each have our own strong and weak points, i'm not trying to argue that we're exactly the same down to detail, i'm just saying that in general we're both equal and just as vital to humanity.
if you don't believe we're equal then you must believe one gender is superior to the other. and thats just a ridiculous thing to say.

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#6046 - 03/20/08 09:17 PM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: L Fern Tej]
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 Originally Posted By: L Fern Tej
but all you're doing is comparing different aspects of men and women and rephrasing what i said in previous posts. you yourself just stated that we each have our own strong and weak points, i'm not trying to argue that we're exactly the same down to detail, i'm just saying that in general we're both equal and just as vital to humanity.
if you don't believe we're equal then you must believe one gender is superior to the other. and thats just a ridiculous thing to say.


I'm trying to figure out what you mean when you say "equal".

Just because two things aren't the same and equal, does not mean these two things are at odds with one another, or that one is stronger than the other... take lichen that grows on rocks for example.

Lichen is when moss and algae hangout together and form this symbiotic relationship, because without the other niether can survive on the rock. Is the moss stronger or more important than the algae? No. Is the algae more fit and evolved the moss? no. They are different, not equal, but need each other.

Girls and boys are not equal. we are different, down to our genes; but this doesn't mean that one gender is better than the other. There's more to life than just left and right, or "this therefore that."


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#6050 - 03/20/08 09:39 PM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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re: everyone not Luciferific particularily \:\)

I don't mind being gawked at - on the contrary I love the human form! I want to ooh and aah right with the rest of you...my tastes are a little strange, but I do like *physicality*

What bothers me is I have to work twice as hard at anything intellectual to be treated seriously. Men can get away with much more playfulness and emotion than women can, as a general rule. Women either have to be sluts or serious to get ahead. there is no in between. Men are immediately accepted, women are not.

I should be able to be as vain, arrogant and decisive as my male peers without someone whining that I am an attention seeker or a twit...sexism pisses me off soooo much....

It goes both ways too...I don't care for "male hate" either....because I actually genuinely love men...

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#6140 - 03/21/08 11:16 PM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: L Fern Tej]
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 Originally Posted By: L Fern Tej

contrary to popular belief, force will always beat intelligence.


Force (i.e. Man) always beats Intelligence (i.e Woman)?
I thought you said its ridiculous to think that one gender is stronger or better than the other?

Force doesn't alway beat intelligence Fern. Take a look at Nature for a second. At yourself and think about it.

Compared to a Chimp we humans are very weak. Most four legged animals can out run us. Lions and tiggers have bigger teeth and claws than us. Man is weak compared to the other animals.

He (humankind) is hairless, clawless, fangless, and makes an easy prey for any creature back in the days. But Man has out fitted and out survived every animal in the animal kingdom... except ants (who contribute about 1/4 of the earth's biomass). Neither us nor ants got our most high position in Nature with Force. It was with Intelligence and social or collective cooperation.

It doesn't take force for a human to kill a mammoth. It takes the intelligence required to break a rock up into a spear head.

It doesn't take force to make clothing to protect him from the weather. It took creativity and intelligence.

It didn't take force for Man to first discover and use agriculture. It took intelligence and ingenuity.

It didn't take force for man to build his cities and empires. It took intelligence and social cooperation.

It doesn't take force for Man to even take himself to the moon. It took intelligence.

Nothing that we are today as a species we earned or became or got with Force. We are what we are today because of our intelligence, creativity, ingenuity, and social nature. Its not alway Might of Force that enables a species to become the most fittest - if so some dinosaurs or prehistoric mammals would still be here to rule the world as they once did, and tigers (and other powerful animals) wouldn't be an endangered species.

It Might of Intelligence and Cohesion that has made us and ants the most successful organisms on earth.

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#6144 - 03/22/08 12:14 AM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I'd rather be judged by my looks... cup size... ass... how they look in jeans... its not like the first thing a guy notices on a girl is her personality or strengths LOL! Can't people just be honest with themselves and each other? You'd have to either be gay or a nerd if you came up to me or any girl and said: "God damn girl, that personality is to die for! Why don't you come over to my place so we can talk and learn each others strengths and weaknesses."


Well then I must either be a closeted or unaware homosexual or a nerd. Damn, I thought I was just eccentric. Sure I notice a chick's ass or boobies. And I find myself attracted to them. But if she is as dumb as a box of rocks, I find that a big turn off. To me, that equals a one night stand. A lass that can put together coherent thoughts, has an informed opinion on a topic, can debate, cares more to watch a program on the universe instead of soaps or Oprah, and has a nice ass is a major turn on for me. My wife thinks I have lost my touch because I scoff at the latest hottie to grace the celebrity ranks. Sure it might be fun to knock boots with her and put a notch in your belt, but then what? I find intelligence, wit, drive, and curiosity to be just as sexy as 36c's wrapped in lace spilling out of a bodice. The majority of my friends are women. Not because they are hot or I am creeping on my wife, but because they are intelligent. More so than the dullard males that I call friends.
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#6145 - 03/22/08 12:29 AM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: fakepropht]
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I'd rather be judged by my looks... cup size... ass... how they look in jeans... its not like the first thing a guy notices on a girl is her personality or strengths LOL! Can't people just be honest with themselves and each other? You'd have to either be gay or a nerd if you came up to me or any girl and said: "God damn girl, that personality is to die for! Why don't you come over to my place so we can talk and learn each others strengths and weaknesses."


Well then I must either be a closeted or unaware homosexual or a nerd. Damn, I thought I was just eccentric. Sure I notice a chick's ass or boobies. And I find myself attracted to them. But if she is as dumb as a box of rocks, I find that a big turn off. To me, that equals a one night stand.


But Prophet, theres no argument here? We're basically agreeing with each other. I just said that most men when they look at a girl don't seriously notice their personality or think to themselves: "damn, she's got a big brain." Men first notice a girl's body. Its natural. Personal preference comes afterwards and this varies according to the man. Like yourself, you are FIRST attracted to a girls by how she looks... but you have secondary requirements: intelligence and if she doesn't have it she turns you off; but she's hot nonetheless, and wouldn't make a bad one night stand.

Only gay people or geeks who are afraid to wear their sexuality on their sleeve would at the first moment notice a girls holter top and hair due, or wonder if she makes a good shopping buddy, or has a fun personality.

I was just arguing with Octavius because he made it sound like he doesn't do this. Like its either wrong or as if he first notices a girls brains or personality on the get go, even before she talks.

Men check out girls, girls like to be checked out, why else would we spend so much money on the right clothes, makeup, boob jobs, and botox? Thats what i'm trying to say.
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#6149 - 03/22/08 12:45 AM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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You're right. I guess I misread or misinterpreted your post. I think I read it to be that you were implying that most men are only into a chick for her looks. Not her personallity or brains. I guess that's why I have been married for 20 years. She may not have the body of a super model, but damn can she argue with me. And she loves sports to boot.
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#6200 - 03/22/08 02:45 PM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: fakepropht]
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Naa, come on, I met your wife, she cute and hot too.

In the real world, men may first see how a chick looks, and if there is no substance to back it up, most are gone. The same goes with women, you just need something called intelligence to back up a body, or its a waste of time. Unless you like bimbo's or himbos.

On the internet, its intelligence, because pictures can lie, and you can be anybody. If you write a bunch of shit, it just reflects on you, and a nice ass wont get you anywhere.

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#6204 - 03/22/08 03:18 PM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: Morgan]
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Agreed. I look for a pretty face first (actually, studies suggest that most men look at the face first). Of course, some good T&A helps too.

But, nothing on Earth will make me lose interest faster than if I have to say to myself "God damn, this bitch is dumb." In order for me to become intimate, I have to connect with that person on a personal level. I can't connect with someone if they can't have a deep conversation.
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#6235 - 03/23/08 05:27 AM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
Funny thing is TC, if men are weakening because of the holy 'vagina' wouldn't this then make them the 'weaker' sex. Men are starting to loose ground in all sorts of arena's because now that women have strength taken out of the equation, they are getting what they want, while men bitch and wine about how unfair it all is.

Zeph


So men start out the stronger sex, women are the weaker sex. Men weaken themselves due to having no self control when relating to sex. Eventually they will have lowered themselves below the level of women which makes women the stronger sex.

That's like a guy with a limp winning the 100 metre dash because the other guy had a heart attack at 65 metres. It doesn't make the guy with a limp any better, it just makes the guy having convulsions on the floor a damn embarrasment.

It may be sexist, but this is something I've concluded from experience. If I find women who can convince me otherwise my opinion will change.
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#6279 - 03/23/08 10:07 PM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I guess what I didn't say very well was this.

Yes in general men are physically stronger because like alot of animal males they are bigger.

But, if after thousands of years of oppression and the like, women have fought hard to get into a possition where their physical strength isn't the handicap it used to be to getting things their way. This was done through persistance. Saying men have more stamina than women is actually wrong.

Women also have higher pain tolerances than men. That is because we go through one of the most under appreciated stamina and pain situations in life. Namely giving birth.

Women can multitask, bear enormous pain (both physical and mental) and are very strong and full of stamina.

Where alot of men will go to work and come home to have the 'wife' look after them so they can sit in front of the TV, because they've done their days work (in their head), often women with a family will work from the time they wake up, to the time they go to bed, doing all the work that actually allows said man to 'rest' after his 'hard days work'.

There is study after study that show that women who also hold down jobs do hours and hours more work around the house, even if she is also working the same hours as her husband/partner.

As for men being smarter, that's also debatable. Due to the differences in the brain of men and women, men are generally better at sciences and mathematics than women, but does that mean someone is 'actually' smarter? I know plenty of 'book smart' people that do and say the most stupid things because they have no common sense. Women are often better at things like language (english) spelling and be open and honest about their emotions.

So who is this judge of 'smarts'. Is their any proof that intelligence wise, women are always lower in say IQ tests?

You being a confirmed misogynist just makes you another closed minded male that will continually draw stupid women to him, because the ones that can change your mind, will be too smart to have anything to do with you. It will be a self fulfilling prophecy.

I've noticed, that the majority of the men on this site that I find the most attractive, are the ones that are smart enough to value women for the beautiful intelligent companions they are. Likewise, I'm sure their partners value them as the handsome intelligent companions they are.

Everyone at some stage of their lives will more than likely get cheated on and treated badly by a partner, both male and females.

It's interesting though, that I find it is more often men, that then shut themselves down and shut out the possibility of future relationships because they hold onto the past to a point of self detriment.

That is just my observation though and not one I can back up with fact. But then again, I'm over 15 years your senior, so have a fair bit more life experience when it comes to these things. That doesn't make me right of course, but it does give me a head start in people watching.

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#6281 - 03/23/08 11:07 PM Re: If this doesn't make women mad then you're not [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
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I'd rather be judged by my looks... cup size... ass... how they look in jeans... its not like the first thing a guy notices on a girl is her personality or strengths LOL! Can't people just be honest with themselves and each other? You'd have to either be gay or a nerd if you came up to me or any girl and said: "God damn girl, that personality is to die for! Why don't you come over to my place so we can talk and learn each others strengths and weaknesses."


Well then I must either be a closeted or unaware homosexual or a nerd. Damn, I thought I was just eccentric. Sure I notice a chick's ass or boobies. And I find myself attracted to them. But if she is as dumb as a box of rocks, I find that a big turn off. To me, that equals a one night stand.


But Prophet, theres no argument here? We're basically agreeing with each other. I just said that most men when they look at a girl don't seriously notice their personality or think to themselves: "damn, she's got a big brain." Men first notice a girl's body. Its natural. Personal preference comes afterwards and this varies according to the man. Like yourself, you are FIRST attracted to a girls by how she looks... but you have secondary requirements: intelligence and if she doesn't have it she turns you off; but she's hot nonetheless, and wouldn't make a bad one night stand.

Only gay people or geeks who are afraid to wear their sexuality on their sleeve would at the first moment notice a girls holter top and hair due, or wonder if she makes a good shopping buddy, or has a fun personality.

I was just arguing with Octavius because he made it sound like he doesn't do this. Like its either wrong or as if he first notices a girls brains or personality on the get go, even before she talks.

Men check out girls, girls like to be checked out, why else would we spend so much money on the right clothes, makeup, boob jobs, and botox? Thats what i'm trying to say.


As a 33-year-old male who's been happily married for over 10 years, I can honestly say that the first thing I notice about a person, regardless of sex, it what comes out of their mouth. Sure, I can appreciate beauty, but what I'm most attracted to is moxie, wit, charm, and intelligence. Yes, I'm a male pumping with testosterone, but I get all I need and more at home from my wife. I want for nothing sexually.

But now we're not generalizing anymore. We can certainly agree that physical attributes are the first things that most people notice and are judged by. However, I "made it sound like I don't do it" because I don't. I'm not a prude, and I'm not a lecher. I'm happy and satiated sexually, and in just about every other aspect of my relationship with my wife. I also view our bond with the utmost respect, and one that should not ever be betrayed.
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