#59772 - 10/04/11 06:19 PM
Re: Genetic Engineering
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Antigod
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I'd just like to point out it's impossible to truly mess with nature, because we are of nature, and anything that is of us is by proxy, of nature.
Genetic Engineering is nature enhancing itself.
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#59792 - 10/05/11 11:19 AM
Re: Genetic Engineering
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Dimitri
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Of course I avoid GM Foods and even in State level I gave my signature against it. It's lucrative bussiness and it's quite dangerous - my father has beeheaves and have bees for many years and experimentations with GM cultures brings death to bees, insects etc... We don't know results. It's not always good to experiment to much with GM. It could be soon out of control! You're right!
I think there is some confusion between Genetically modified and genetically engineerd food here. GM in a very narrowed down definition is "mixing" genes of the same species to get certain results. Genetically engeneering means mixing of genes from different species to enhance one of them for economical uses.
Signing up against GM-food is laughable. Every piece of meat for sale in the stores have been modified in some way or another. Raising certain animals with specific abilities and making sure these animals get an offspring with those same enhanced abilities is also GM.
Fact is, there's still many research to be done for every "new" individual, i.e enhanced specie by genetical engeneering, created by genetical engeneering. I see no reason to stop tests because a 90% of the results tend to die by complications.
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#59794 - 10/05/11 12:47 PM
Re: Genetic Engineering
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Autodidact
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I'd just like to point out it's impossible to truly mess with nature, because we are of nature, and anything that is of us is by proxy, of nature.
Genetic Engineering is nature enhancing itself.
This is a completely incorrect way to think about it. The implication of "mess with nature", obviously, is in creating danger to mankind, not threatening Nature itself.
When you say "nature enhancing itself", you are falsely implying an equivalence between mankind and nature. If we create a supervirus (or nuke ourselves, or any of a hundred other scenarios) and extinct ourselves, Nature and the planet will continue merrily along without us.
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#59825 - 10/07/11 03:05 PM
Re: Genetic Engineering
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Latvian
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Everybody has right to have choice, what he want to eat or not...!
It's possible I'm old fashioned and maybe I'm from not so highly developed country, but I don't like GM Engineering. For example I don’t support biotech companies like biotech giant Missouri's Monsanto and their Roundup Ready… The Company provides the technology in 90% of the genetically engineered seeds used in the US market. In 2010 Monsanto was named company of the year by Forbes. Many can believe in their wonders like Bovine somatotropin (rBST) - synthetic hormone that is injected into cows to increase milk production.
If I have choice I don't buy GM Food and when I know I don’t eat or drink it... Everyone who wants - can buy, eat, drink, and consume how much he wants. I don't care.
I just don't like genetically engineered crops, plants, animals on my plate or le monde selon Monsanto and GM.
Of course there is reason, why I am ‘AGAINST’. My grandmamma died from cancer! She was farmer and lived in countryside…, but she used in her garden, fields ‘safe’ dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane (DDT). It was approved from government, health ministries etc… and it was reason for her death.
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#59829 - 10/07/11 05:39 PM
Re: Genetic Engineering
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Antigod
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Holy crap, Ta2zz is still here? He's an OG. He was here when I first visited this forum like 8 years ago. He must have aged like, 8 years since then. That's dedication. This is a good satanic forum though, so who can blame him.
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#59877 - 10/10/11 02:28 AM
Re: Genetic Engineering
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Dimitri
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Of course there is reason, why I am ‘AGAINST’. My grandmamma died from cancer! She was farmer and lived in countryside…, but she used in her garden, fields ‘safe’ dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane (DDT). It was approved from government, health ministries etc… and it was reason for her death.
I wonder what DDT has to do with GM?
DDT is a synthetic product used mainly against insects and is forbidden/heavily regulated in most parts of Europe. And I wonder what you mean by "safe" DDT. Highly diluted concentrations of DDT perhaps? It isn't safe anymore as soon as it is being sprayed multiple times on a smaller area.
If I have choice I don't buy GM Food and when I know I don’t eat or drink it... Everyone who wants - can buy, eat, drink, and consume how much he wants. I don't care.
That's your choice.
I just don't like genetically engineered crops, plants, animals on my plate or le monde selon Monsanto and GM.
And now a good reason..
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#59894 - 10/10/11 11:39 AM
Re: Genetic Engineering
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Wicked Satanist
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I don't understand the problem with eating genetic engineered food because right now about every vegetable you eat and about every animal you eat is genetically engineered.
Cows, pigs and chickens did not look like that originally and neither did your tomatoes or other vegetables. By carefully selecting a desired "mutation" our food did, throughout the years, turn into that we know today.
But suddenly, taking a shortcut seems to open Pandora's box. I see no difference at all.
The only problem I see with Genetic Engineering is the affects it has on children and their rapid growth.
I have a neice who is only 13 years old and is of course fully developed. It can all be blamed on the "milk" and her funbags already give her back problems. If she wanted to get into sports this will hinder her, not help her. When I was younger, breasts DID NOT develope in the average girl until later teens, highschool to say the least. Now she is 13 with D cup breasts... clearly the chemicals had an affect on this.
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#59948 - 10/11/11 04:07 PM
Re: Genetic Engineering
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Latvian
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...much more with all the added rubbish in our food...
Very good point - You're right! It’s sometimes much more important as GM or even GM engineering... In my country you can buy sausages with taste of meat and there is 0% of meat. It reminds me great book and even movie taken George Orwell's novel - 1984 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087803/
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