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#59612 - 09/28/11 11:56 PM Genetic Engineering
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I've been thinking, wouldn't it be awesome if there were other species on the same level as us, that we can interact with? I'm thinking humanoid dog-like creatures would be awesome. Maybe humanoid reptiles would be cool too.

Seriously, there just seems to be such a massive gap between us and the next animals down. I love playing with my dog but it would be so cool to smoke a bong with him and talk about the world. The different viewpoints another intelligent animal could offer would be so interesting.

I am looking forward to advances in genetic engineering where we can custom-build animals by mix-n-matching dna. We could make some seriously elite creatures by combining all the best traits of animals into one super-animal.


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#59616 - 09/29/11 01:59 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Antigod]
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 Originally Posted By: Antigod
I've been thinking, wouldn't it be awesome if there were other species on the same level as us, that we can interact with? I'm thinking humanoid dog-like creatures would be awesome. Maybe humanoid reptiles would be cool too.

No, it wouldn't. If you've read David Icke's books lately all you need to do to meet a humanoid reptile is go into politics. ;\)

Nature is fine. Why fuck with it? If we could custom build animals can you imagine what would come out? Then again, we're already doing something similar by, for example, breeding cows that produce more milk.

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#59620 - 09/29/11 02:39 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Alex Crowley]
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No, it wouldn't. If you've read David Icke's books lately all you need to do to meet a humanoid reptile is go into politics.


I concur a rational person realizes that the gene splicing about is not possible. The place for is in a cartoon or movie there is no way to take this stuff serious you can't trade genes like fucking pokemon cards.

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#59623 - 09/29/11 06:37 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Meph9]
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 Originally Posted By: Meph9
I concur a rational person realizes that the gene splicing about is not possible. The place for is in a cartoon or movie there is no way to take this stuff serious you can't trade genes like fucking pokemon cards.

Science might manage it or it might not. I meant it purely theoretically. As for my comment about David Icke, he is a nut.

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#59634 - 09/29/11 06:29 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Meph9]
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 Originally Posted By: Meph9

I concur a rational person realizes that the gene splicing about is not possible. The place for is in a cartoon or movie there is no way to take this stuff serious you can't trade genes like fucking pokemon cards.


I'm sorry, I didn't realise you knew everything about everything.

What makes you think it's impossible? The Chinese have made cows that produce human milk. That's gene splicing in action.

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#59643 - 09/30/11 01:49 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Antigod]
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 Originally Posted By: Antigod
That's gene splicing in action.

Just to satisfy my own curiosity I looked it up. Gene splicing is more than just giving you some reptile-humanoid - that, for now, is science fiction. Here are a few articles about it:

Wikipedia - Gene Splicing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering

Gene splicing breakthrough gives hope to cystic fibrosis sufferers
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/heal...article2099573/

The Gene School - Gene Splicing
http://library.thinkquest.org/19037/therapy2.html

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#59647 - 09/30/11 09:08 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Antigod]
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 Originally Posted By: Antigod
I've been thinking, wouldn't it be awesome if there were other species on the same level as us, that we can interact with?


There's six billion other people on this planet already - is that not enough?

 Originally Posted By: Antigod
Seriously, there just seems to be such a massive gap between us and the next animals down. I love playing with my dog but it would be so cool to smoke a bong with him and talk about the world. The different viewpoints another intelligent animal could offer would be so interesting.


You only see what you know. Whales and dolphins spend the day playing in the water and eating seafood. Dogs sleep, play and lick their nuts all day. Are you sure we're more intelligent?

 Originally Posted By: Antigod
We could make some seriously elite creatures by combining all the best traits of animals into one super-animal.


Dude, have you never seen a sci-fi horror movie? Life is dominance - if we make super-animals, guess what their opinion is going to be of us as "the next animal down".

 Originally Posted By: Antigod
The Chinese have made cows that produce human milk. That's gene splicing in action.


And I can't think of a more useful thing. I'll stick with 2%. Call me when they have human tits. Wait, never mind, scratch that.

Yes, it would be superficially neato to build animals like Lego, but humans have a poor record of thinking things through, even when they have all the info. Watch the Jurassic Park dinner scene for an overview.
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#59669 - 10/01/11 01:07 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Antigod]
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It seems like you're being facetious. Or you're just stoned. The fact is, we humans (super-chimps) are A LOT smarter than any other species. That's what makes us so special. Dogs are pretty cool, and cats are smart also. But you're thinking of evolution when it comes to intelligent canines and felines. Genetic engineering can help the process along, but we're more likely to create strange mutants than we are to create dogs and cats that are as smart as we are.

It's like the Korn song: "It's evolution!"
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#59687 - 10/01/11 09:44 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Ashley Corinne]
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"Genetic engineering can help the process along,..."

or we can accidentally create a new super virus that ends up wiping out human race, I mean just saying the consequences could be really fuckin serious

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#59689 - 10/01/11 10:19 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Meph9]
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I'm assuming that Antigod wrote the original post tongue in cheek. The kind of intelligence (for want of a better word) displayed by our non-human companions is just that - non-human. They are as locked in their subjective world as we are in ours. However, I do believe that on occasion, a domesticated animal can "tune in" to the needs and emotions of a human being with remarkable accuracy. Cats I have cared for over the years have shown this to be the case consistently.
As for genetically engineering animals which can communicate directly with us using speech, I can't see that being possible and playing around with them for our selfish delight could have ghastly repercussions.
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#59701 - 10/02/11 11:45 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: felixgarnet]
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True, once you get them to talk, then people will have sex with them claiming they said it was okay.

Then you get supposed love, marriage, and people claiming their pet cat should vote now because he thinks Obama wasn't born in America.

I think the people desiring this should just stick to anime like
InuYasha.

Inuyasha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InuYasha

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#59733 - 10/03/11 03:46 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
True, once you get them to talk, then people will have sex with them claiming they said it was okay.

Then you get supposed love, marriage, and people claiming their pet cat should vote now because he thinks Obama wasn't born in America.


Imagine the mess that would cause. Suddenly you would need even more animal rights groups, morality debates and now cows could form their own arguement against being eaten. Then again, maybe a pet cat's vote would count more than some human voters - who voted for Bush again?

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#59758 - 10/04/11 02:47 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Alex Crowley]
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 Originally Posted By: Alex Crowley
... Imagine the mess that would cause. Suddenly you would need even more animal rights groups, morality debates and now cows could form their own arguement against being eaten...
I like such ideas and fantasies... It will be very interssting and I would like to see it. Maybe some day!

Scientists work on it... GM Food is in supermarkets already today and soon could we see GM Cows in the fields and even GM Clons of men in towns...
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#59759 - 10/04/11 03:14 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Latvian]
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 Originally Posted By: Latvian
I like such ideas and fantasies... It will be very interesting and I would like to see it. Maybe some day!

It would definitely be interesting.

 Originally Posted By: Latvian
Scientists work on it... GM Food is in supermarkets already today and soon we could see GM Cows in the fields and even GM Clons of men in towns...

Again, is it a good idea to mess around with nature? It's been running itself perfectly and then people started interfering. The good we think we do now by modifying crops and animals might do a lot of damage a few hundreds years in the future, don't you think? I'm not saying it's entirely a bad thing, though.

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#59762 - 10/04/11 04:21 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Alex Crowley]
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\:\) Of course I avoid GM Foods and even in State level I gave my signature against it. It's lucrative bussiness and it's quite dangerous - my father has beeheaves and have bees for many years and experimentations with GM cultures brings death to bees, insects etc... We don't know results. It's not always good to experiment to much with GM. It could be soon out of control! You're right!
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#59772 - 10/04/11 06:19 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Latvian]
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I'd just like to point out it's impossible to truly mess with nature, because we are of nature, and anything that is of us is by proxy, of nature.

Genetic Engineering is nature enhancing itself.

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#59773 - 10/04/11 06:44 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Antigod]
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Earthquakes, Tornados, Avalanches, Floods and other natural disasters are part of nature too...

Some very natural plants can be disaster for some regions too, when it is introduced like animals (rabbits in Australia etc...)

I think, we have to act rationally - sometimes maybe better to take GM potatos as some mushrooms like amanita (death-cup or fly-agaric) which is very natural...
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#59792 - 10/05/11 11:19 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Latvian]
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Of course I avoid GM Foods and even in State level I gave my signature against it. It's lucrative bussiness and it's quite dangerous - my father has beeheaves and have bees for many years and experimentations with GM cultures brings death to bees, insects etc... We don't know results. It's not always good to experiment to much with GM. It could be soon out of control! You're right!

I think there is some confusion between Genetically modified and genetically engineerd food here. GM in a very narrowed down definition is "mixing" genes of the same species to get certain results. Genetically engeneering means mixing of genes from different species to enhance one of them for economical uses.

Signing up against GM-food is laughable. Every piece of meat for sale in the stores have been modified in some way or another. Raising certain animals with specific abilities and making sure these animals get an offspring with those same enhanced abilities is also GM.

Fact is, there's still many research to be done for every "new" individual, i.e enhanced specie by genetical engeneering, created by genetical engeneering. I see no reason to stop tests because a 90% of the results tend to die by complications.
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#59794 - 10/05/11 12:47 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Antigod]
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 Originally Posted By: Antigod
I'd just like to point out it's impossible to truly mess with nature, because we are of nature, and anything that is of us is by proxy, of nature.

Genetic Engineering is nature enhancing itself.


This is a completely incorrect way to think about it. The implication of "mess with nature", obviously, is in creating danger to mankind, not threatening Nature itself.

When you say "nature enhancing itself", you are falsely implying an equivalence between mankind and nature. If we create a supervirus (or nuke ourselves, or any of a hundred other scenarios) and extinct ourselves, Nature and the planet will continue merrily along without us.
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#59799 - 10/05/11 11:20 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Autodidact]
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Here is video of a goat with a human-like face. "The tribal people in the area consider it as witchcraft, which they say is rampant in the area." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldUJaCW1K0g&feature=related
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#59801 - 10/06/11 12:51 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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I had to do a double take the goat clearly was a relative of the guy talking. Maybe this kids father was a lonely goat herder?

This thread is amusing, going off in many different directions.

A gift for the OP.



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#59825 - 10/07/11 03:05 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Dimitri]
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Everybody has right to have choice, what he want to eat or not...!

It's possible I'm old fashioned and maybe I'm from not so highly developed country, but I don't like GM Engineering. For example I don’t support biotech companies like biotech giant Missouri's Monsanto and their Roundup Ready… The Company provides the technology in 90% of the genetically engineered seeds used in the US market. In 2010 Monsanto was named company of the year by Forbes. Many can believe in their wonders like Bovine somatotropin (rBST) - synthetic hormone that is injected into cows to increase milk production.

If I have choice I don't buy GM Food and when I know I don’t eat or drink it... Everyone who wants - can buy, eat, drink, and consume how much he wants. I don't care.

I just don't like genetically engineered crops, plants, animals on my plate or le monde selon Monsanto and GM.

Of course there is reason, why I am ‘AGAINST’. My grandmamma died from cancer! She was farmer and lived in countryside…, but she used in her garden, fields ‘safe’ dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane (DDT). It was approved from government, health ministries etc… and it was reason for her death.
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#59829 - 10/07/11 05:39 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: ta2zz]
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Holy crap, Ta2zz is still here? He's an OG. He was here when I first visited this forum like 8 years ago. He must have aged like, 8 years since then. That's dedication. This is a good satanic forum though, so who can blame him.
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#59877 - 10/10/11 02:28 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Latvian]
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Of course there is reason, why I am ‘AGAINST’. My grandmamma died from cancer! She was farmer and lived in countryside…, but she used in her garden, fields ‘safe’ dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane (DDT). It was approved from government, health ministries etc… and it was reason for her death.

I wonder what DDT has to do with GM?
DDT is a synthetic product used mainly against insects and is forbidden/heavily regulated in most parts of Europe. And I wonder what you mean by "safe" DDT. Highly diluted concentrations of DDT perhaps? It isn't safe anymore as soon as it is being sprayed multiple times on a smaller area.

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If I have choice I don't buy GM Food and when I know I don’t eat or drink it... Everyone who wants - can buy, eat, drink, and consume how much he wants. I don't care.

That's your choice.

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I just don't like genetically engineered crops, plants, animals on my plate or le monde selon Monsanto and GM.

And now a good reason..
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#59891 - 10/10/11 10:56 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Dimitri]
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I don't understand the problem with eating genetic engineered food because right now about every vegetable you eat and about every animal you eat is genetically engineered.

Cows, pigs and chickens did not look like that originally and neither did your tomatoes or other vegetables. By carefully selecting a desired "mutation" our food did, throughout the years, turn into that we know today.

But suddenly, taking a shortcut seems to open Pandora's box. I see no difference at all.



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#59894 - 10/10/11 11:39 AM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
I don't understand the problem with eating genetic engineered food because right now about every vegetable you eat and about every animal you eat is genetically engineered.

Cows, pigs and chickens did not look like that originally and neither did your tomatoes or other vegetables. By carefully selecting a desired "mutation" our food did, throughout the years, turn into that we know today.

But suddenly, taking a shortcut seems to open Pandora's box. I see no difference at all.


The only problem I see with Genetic Engineering is the affects it has on children and their rapid growth.

I have a neice who is only 13 years old and is of course fully developed. It can all be blamed on the "milk" and her funbags already give her back problems. If she wanted to get into sports this will hinder her, not help her. When I was younger, breasts DID NOT develope in the average girl until later teens, highschool to say the least. Now she is 13 with D cup breasts... clearly the chemicals had an affect on this.
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#59895 - 10/10/11 12:03 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Wicked Satanist]
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I don't think the breast-size difference, which I find a rather welcome side-effect, has much to do with genetic engineering and much more with all the added rubbish in our food.

Which makes the debate about genetic engineered food rather amusing since so many freely ingest food stuffed with antibiotics or other crap but an engineered potato, that must surely come from hell.

The problem with our food is not genetic engineering, it is profit. The moment it makes more money to sell you crap, you will get crap. The moment you rather pay 1$ for a steak freeze-shipped from some dark hole somewhere in the world than spend some more on decent meat, you simply get what you pay for.





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#59934 - 10/11/11 02:33 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Wicked Satanist]
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 Originally Posted By: Wicked Satanist
Now she is 13 with D cup breasts... clearly the chemicals had an affect on this.


"Clearly" nothing. How do you know this isn't an effect of, say, her parents having good nutrition their entire formative years (relative to previous generations)?

OTOH, this may be an excellent example for the Genetic Engineering movement - I could be convinced to allow a little more pollution in exchange for the girls getting bigger tits
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#59948 - 10/11/11 04:07 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
...much more with all the added rubbish in our food...

Very good point - You're right! It’s sometimes much more important as GM or even GM engineering... In my country you can buy sausages with taste of meat and there is 0% of meat. It reminds me great book and even movie taken George Orwell's novel - 1984 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087803/
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#83435 - 12/18/13 09:36 PM Re: Genetic Engineering [Re: Latvian]
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dude people talk to fkn much as it is why on earth would you want a chatty damn dog.Other than that we own this world why not make something productive like gills on people or chickens with 6 wings and legs.This whole nature argument,well none of us are completely natural from vaccines and medicine to diet and hygiene,and thats a great thing because ive never seen a toilette paper tree or a soap bush.


Please make a better attempt at a cleaner presentation in your posts. While anyone with a brain can certainly decipher the above mess, a more well-structured post is more effective at communicating your point and leaves little room for misinterpretation. This is a forum for intelligent conversation, not a mindless chatroom, so there is no need to truncate words, even those like "fucking."

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