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#6116 - 03/21/08 06:38 PM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
I doubt that watching porn with adult characters wether they are with real live actors, or cartoons would quench the desire of the average male to have sex with real women, if given the opportunity. Granted, one can jerk themselves into a state of peaceful calm while watching porn. Ummm, incase anyone is wondering, I did, ahem, a study on the subject. ;\)


Hmm... not that I'm easily influenced, but you make an excellent point. Personally I don't get off on porn, but I do with good hot descriptive erotica...

And your right, people are dumb enough to go out and try it as they see it.

But again its the issue of liberty. Do we have a right to ban it because people are just simply stupid?
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#6127 - 03/21/08 07:26 PM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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But again its the issue of liberty. Do we have a right to ban it because people are just simply stupid?


The answer to that is obvious, since it was banned (according to the OP.) They did have the right, because they did it.
It doesn't mean that it's fair, but it is, what it is. It's the way of the world. Give a government enough power, then they take the rest without us having a true say either way.
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#6170 - 03/22/08 06:31 AM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: Asmedious]
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I would have to say that no government should have the right to ban anything. Laws like murder and thieft are sensible, but who has the right to tell you what you can and cannot do.

Now I know USA and Australia have banned lolicon but currently UK, Sweeden and now Spain, Canada and New Zealand are discussing it.
The only countries that are outright refusing to ban it are Japan, Russia, Finland and France.
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#6188 - 03/22/08 12:12 PM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I would have to say that no government should have the right to ban anything.

As the population increases the stupidity level goes up herd mentality tends to take over… Order must be kept to remain in control…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Laws like murder and thieft are sensible, but who has the right to tell you what you can and cannot do.

So in your perfect world if someone has the means and the want to murder say…. YOU then that is ok, after all who has the right to say otherwise?

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Now I know USA and Australia have banned lolicon but currently UK, Sweeden and now Spain, Canada and New Zealand are discussing it.
The only countries that are outright refusing to ban it are Japan, Russia, Finland and France.

Am I the only one that thinks that people thinking of sex with underage children are sick and need treatment? No matter what your medium if you draw children in sexually provocative poses then you are guilty of the same thoughts as a pedophile as far as I am concerned… Same if you enjoy watching such animations…

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#6197 - 03/22/08 02:10 PM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: ta2zz]
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No matter what your medium if you draw children in sexually provocative poses then you are guilty of the same thoughts as a pedophile as far as I am concerned


See, that is what I meant ealier when I wrote, that if thoughts could be policed, certain lines of thought would be banned, and people who broke that law would be procecuted for them.

Then the question becomes, who will be in charge of the thought police, and what thoughts will be outlawed.

Some claim that anyone who fantasizes about under aged people, are pedophiles. I don't know about that, but it sure would be interesting to see how many people would be in trouble for some kind of "unacceptable" thought processes, if it was possible to do so.
Does thinking and fantasizing about murder, rape, robbery, and such, also makes a person as guilty, as the people who actually go and do those things?

The point being, that yes, if a person does draw under aged people in provocative acts, they are guilty for thinking the same thing as a pedophile, but are they truly the same as someone who physically does harm to others?


Edited by Asmedious (03/22/08 02:11 PM)
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#6199 - 03/22/08 02:31 PM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: Asmedious]
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Because we're talking about a controversial subject we now have such gems as:-
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The point being, that yes, if a person does draw under aged people in provocative acts, they are guilty for thinking the same thing as a pedophile, but are they truly the same as someone who physically does harm to others?

NO!!!

On any other subject you wouldn't even ask that question. You know the answer is no.

They ARE pedophiles is they think about it, they are child molesters if they do it, no they are not truly the same or in any way they same. One person has fantasized about it, one has done it. I have fantasized about robbing a bank, killing people I don't like etc. does that make me as bad as people who do it, no.

The fact is, society is trying to outlaw the drawing of fucking pictures. Or even the owning of a picture that someone drew with a damn pensil. There is no harm here, it is bloody thought police and I hate it. Just because society is filled with morons does not mean our laws should cater to thier whims, this banning doesn't even benefit the morons and dregs of society. At least having the "Caution: Coffee May Be Hot!" lable has a purpose, banning Lolicon doesn't. It's needless removal of harmless material and I see no point other than someone else forcing their arbitrary personal opinions on to me. Sure it may make some idiot think "Ur, lets go out and rape a child", but then that same genius will likely get the idea of attacking people with chainsaws if he watches Texas Chainsaw Massacre so should we really be building the world with that guy in mind?

(and by the way Ta2zz, I was trying to get across that laws like murder and thieft are sensible and thus excempt from the "who has the right to tell you what you can and cannot do" ideals because they cause harm/disruption to others. You knew what I ment, you're trying to stir trouble, stop it.)
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#6218 - 03/22/08 09:50 PM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: TornadoCreator]
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You seem pretty worked up over this decision to outlaw “kiddy porn” cartoons man… Why is this really? Drawing brutal pictures of rape and murder can get you counseling as a child… It can also point to more serious issues in children and adults…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
They ARE pedophiles is they think about it, they are child molesters if they do it, no they are not truly the same or in any way they same. One person has fantasized about it, one has done it. I have fantasized about robbing a bank, killing people I don't like etc. does that make me as bad as people who do it, no.

Now we are arguing the definitions of a child molester and a pedophile? Perhaps the best people to ask would be a lifer in prison or a father of a killed and/or abused child…

Do you enjoy drawing art focused on killing people and robbing banks? Do you feel the need for cartoons to show these situations graphically enhanced in that animated way for your sexual pleasure? In a world where Beavis and Butthead saying fire, fire, fire supposedly caused kids to start fires where do you draw the line…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
The fact is, society is trying to outlaw the drawing of fucking pictures. Or even the owning of a picture that someone drew with a damn pensil.

Get out much? Laws are written with the stroke of a pen, all it takes is that signature to make anything your can imagine illegal no matter how long you enjoyed it…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
There is no harm here, it is bloody thought police and I hate it.

Thought police are much more dangerous than this… See you forget nobody has made it illegal to think like a pedophile, murderer, or thief just yet… It is just not ok to act like one even if you only get your jollies watching cartoons or fucking your Realdoll RealChild animatronics doll… I will not get into the attraction to animated art here…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Just because society is filled with morons does not mean our laws should cater to thier whims, this banning doesn't even benefit the morons and dregs of society.

No it possibly benefits the children… Who are they but objects of sexual desire right?

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
At least having the "Caution: Coffee May Be Hot!" lable has a purpose, banning Lolicon doesn't.

You are blinded by your perversion…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
It's needless removal of harmless material and I see no point other than someone else forcing their arbitrary personal opinions on to me.

There will still be people that feel the need to draw young children in sexually suggestive poses just as there are people turned on by drawings of obese animal people hybrids… Just as there are still people who drink and drive, and those who frequent prostitutes no matter their legality… Just remember when Johnny Law comes knocking at your door if there is illegal material on your computer it was your vice that caused you to break the law no one else…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Sure it may make some idiot think "Ur, lets go out and rape a child", but then that same genius will likely get the idea of attacking people with chainsaws if he watches Texas Chainsaw Massacre so should we really be building the world with that guy in mind?

This is clearly why I think you ignorant TC… One kid starts a fire with a lighter now all lighters are child proofed… I have no kids yet I use lighters forced to cope… Car windows no longer roll all the way down in the back door why? So kids cannot climb out… I have no kids yet am forced to live with half windows in the back of my car… I could go on, but you get the point…

Oh in a perfect world… The majority would not be stupid blind fools, commonsense would be the golden rule, everyone would always agree and be tolerant and respectful of others… (pop)

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
(and by the way Ta2zz, I was trying to get across that laws like murder and thieft are sensible and thus excempt from the "who has the right to tell you what you can and cannot do" ideals because they cause harm/disruption to others. You knew what I ment, you're trying to stir trouble, stop it.)

Oh TC it is well known that I think you are ignorant in many ways, remember I never yet called you stupid… To simply write off everything I say as trying to stir trouble proves what?

Let me ask you something seriously now… Since this troubles you such and has you in such a huff what are you doing about it? Have you done anything at all or is ranting here the maximum of your capabilities on this subject? Have you written your local lawmakers saying “you’re mad as hell and not going to take it anymore”?

What have you, or are you trying to accomplish with this here? What does speaking here change? Have you done one real world thing to try to stop this?

Peace

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#6232 - 03/23/08 05:03 AM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: ta2zz]
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Actually yes ta2zz. I have written to my local MP and have had a local debate in the university halls in my town to try and get people to look at this issue because many people don't even know it's an issue.

I am extremely worked up about the banning yes. I hate all freedom removals. Freedom of speach, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, these are important to me. I hate the Islamic religion more than I can say yet I would be outraged if Muslims where told they could not voice there opinions anymore and the Qu'ran was to be made illegal. I don't agree with the racist ideals of the KKK but I would defend them openly if they made KKK meetings illegal. Freedom is intrinsically important to me, and I will defend it endlessly.

Can I ask you a simple yes or no, please ta2zz. If you could vote on this, would you vote to unban lolicon or not (as it's already banned over there)?
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#6243 - 03/23/08 10:54 AM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Let us define Lolicon before we go any further…

Lolicon; In Japan, the term describes an attraction to young girls, or an individual with such an attraction. Outside Japan, the term is less common and most often refers to a genre of manga and anime wherein childlike female characters are depicted in an erotic manner. wiki

Lolicon; The term typically refers to pornographic art, anime or otherwise, of females aged between 12 and 16, and also to those people attracted to such girls. However, real child pornography is sometimes called lolicon. urbandictionary

In layman’s terms Lolicon means Animated Kiddy Porn if not being used to describe the real thing…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Actually yes ta2zz. I have written to my local MP and have had a local debate in the university halls in my town to try and get people to look at this issue because many people don't even know it's an issue.

To many people as myself it is a serious non-issue, see TC I see things like this… The only true freedom is what you have hidden in your head, and only then as long as you do not draw too much attention to yourself…

How was your outcome when talking to people face to face did you find people tend to put the pedophile title on you for defending pedophiles and this animated kiddy porn?

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I am extremely worked up about the banning yes. I hate all freedom removals. Freedom of speach, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, these are important to me.

Are you familiar with introspection? Perhaps you need to ask yourself why you’re really fighting for lolicon… Defender of freedom of speech, religion, and expression interesting you sound so patriotic…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I hate the Islamic religion more than I can say yet I would be outraged if Muslims where told they could not voice there opinions anymore and the Qu'ran was to be made illegal. I don't agree with the racist ideals of the KKK but I would defend them openly if they made KKK meetings illegal. Freedom is intrinsically important to me, and I will defend it endlessly.

Wow TC do you wear a cape while protecting truth and justice or just a hood? If I waste my energy hating someone they would be better off dead… Muslims and the KKK mean little to me were it to be announced that they were to be gathered and removed it would mean nothing to me… If my card were called it would be time to move on…But if I did not see the warning signs then the joke is on me…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Can I ask you a simple yes or no, please ta2zz. If you could vote on this, would you vote to unban lolicon or not (as it's already banned over there)?

No TC in fact I would do the exact opposite… I am all for the banning of child pornography drawn or real… I am all for arresting and institutionalizing child molesters, pedophiles, those that support them, and those that feel the need to spread their sick child loving previsions through art…

Also like I explained before this is not a form of the thought police… You can want to fuck little kids all you want you can even masturbate yourself to a sweat drenched frenzy thinking about this perversion… But draw kids in sexually suggestive poses and as far as “WE” (the general public) are concerned you are breaking the law…

Perhaps stories in animated porn will now have to stress the legal age of said drawn character… Boy that will ruin those demented masturbation sessions though huh?

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Edited by ta2zz (03/23/08 10:57 AM)
Edit Reason: added words to better express a thought...
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#6244 - 03/23/08 11:18 AM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: ta2zz]
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The definitions you have for lolicon are rather poor but good enough for now. I have never heard of a person who likes lolicon being called a lolicon before, but that's becide the point.

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
How was your outcome when talking to people face to face did you find people tend to put the pedophile title on you for defending pedophiles and this animated kiddy porn?

Maybe, but they didn't make a point of it to my face, and I don't care, because if they are quick to label I will never get them to support my argument.

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

Are you familiar with introspection? Perhaps you need to ask yourself why you’re really fighting for lolicon… Defender of freedom of speech, religion, and expression interesting you sound so patriotic…

If patriotism is defending my ideals vocally then I am guilty as charged. I believe quite definately in these ideals.

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

Wow TC do you wear a cape while protecting truth and justice or just a hood? If I waste my energy hating someone they would be better off dead… Muslims and the KKK mean little to me were it to be announced that they were to be gathered and removed it would mean nothing to me… If my card were called it would be time to move on…But if I did not see the warning signs then the joke is on me…


Perhaps this poem by Reverend Martin Niemöller will express my point. This is as close a translation from the original German as I can get.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


Is it bad for me to speak out, even for people I don't agree with, I'm not connected to or can even relate to? Maybe I just have an ideal to uphold.

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Can I ask you a simple yes or no, please ta2zz. If you could vote on this, would you vote to unban lolicon or not (as it's already banned over there)?

No TC in fact I would do the exact opposite… I am all for the banning of child pornography drawn or real… I am all for arresting and institutionalizing child molesters, pedophiles, those that support them, and those that feel the need to spread their sick child loving previsions through art…

Also like I explained before this is not a form of the thought police… You can want to fuck little kids all you want you can even masturbate yourself to a sweat drenched frenzy thinking about this perversion… But draw kids in sexually suggestive poses and as far as “WE” (the general public) are concerned you are breaking the law…

Well I'm glad you're not writing the law then, because you'd be locking me up as well (hense the bold) and I would fight tooth and nail against you. The only way you'd be taking me down is dead. Just because the general public says that me doing a fucking drawing is illegal doesn't mean I'm going to listen and neither should anyone else. I defend their right to do what they want and I will KILL to defend that right.
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#6251 - 03/23/08 12:37 PM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I tend to agree with T.C on this one. Personally, I don't care either way, if anyone enjoys CARTOONS of ANY KIND.

However, what I find unsettling, is that a group of people have so much power, that they can ban a cartoon genere.

I have never seen Lolicon, nor would seek out to watch it. However, I find it disturbing, that I am FORBIDDEN, from doing so, when it would harm no one, if I chose to view it.

To me, a cartoon, is not real in any shape or form. It's drawings made into animation.
They can predict the slaughter and torture of innocent defenseless fluffy animals, and I wouldn't care. Yet, I love cute and fluffy animals, and wouldn't piss on a person to put out a fire on them, if they senselessly harmed animals.

The same thing goes for young children. Although frankly, I am not really sure if I care for children in general (some of them are very likable, while others are not), non the less, when I am around young children, I find in myself what appears to be a natural desire to protect them from any kind of harm, even if I don't know them.
I believe that I would put myself in mortal danger for the sake of ANY child if there was a need, but would only do that for adults who are family or close friends usually.

Yet, I couldn't care less what happened to children CARTOON characters, or who got their jollies off by watching said cartoons. BUT, there would be a very very big difference if they crossed the line from CARTOONS to flesh and blood. AND only then, would I feel that the issue needed swift, and harsh intervention.

Another important thing in this discussion, I believe, is how we view a persons agenda behind their words.

Personally, I believe T.C when he states that he is NOT attempting to protect child pornography, but instead he is upset by the liberties that are being lost to what he might consider senseless censorship, because I feel the same way.

I KNOW for a fact, that not only would I not harm a child (unless they were aiming to shoot me with a gun for example), but I wouldn't harm anyone who did not desrve it. Yet often when the subject of abuse comes up, I do not get emotional. To me a subject, is not the same as an actual act.
On the other hand, I am very weary and suspicious of people who SHOW anger, and make a big production of it, when the discussion comes up. I am NOT in anyway referring to anyone here, since we are merely expressing opinions.

Too often I have seen people who take a very high stance verbally, and even legally against abuse, and other law breakers in general, but then in time, THESE people are eventually found out to be perpetrators themselves.
Kind of like the tough guys who bash homosexuals, but are later found to have homosexual tendencies themselves.

On a lighter subject, it's nice to see a thread that actually has some meaning and "bite" instead of so many of the common soap opera bullshit.
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#6257 - 03/23/08 03:23 PM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: Asmedious]
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Thank you Asmedious, you are much more elequent than I at getting that point across.

For the record, in case I've been misleading or unclear;

I do not defend child pornography, anything that exploits real children is wrong and the creators should be procecuted to the full extent of the law. Child molestation is nothing more than rape, however it's still RAPE. I have already said how much I detest rape in the past, and for good reason.

I have seen, albeit an extremely limited amount, of lolicon and it's really nothing special. I personally don't like it but I haven't any reason to deny anyone else the option of watching it.

I have a very idealistic outlook. I hold values that even I realise are more iconic than realistic. I know that defending free speech to such a level that I will defend the rights of people to promote hatred and bigotry is counterproductive but I am a man of my convictions and I feel I must keep to them. As my signature says, I preach what I practice, I use my freedom of speech every day, it is the thing I value the most, and because of this I must defend it. I hope people can understand my methods.
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#6284 - 03/23/08 11:58 PM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Is it bad for me to speak out, even for people I don't agree with, I'm not connected to or can even relate to? Maybe I just have an ideal to uphold.

Not if you do not mind associating with these people, fighting for their way, and having your motives questioned… You may do as you please…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Well I'm glad you're not writing the law then, because you'd be locking me up as well (hense the bold) and I would fight tooth and nail against you. The only way you'd be taking me down is dead.

Wow you would die for the freedom to watch and create kiddy porn cartoons… ;\) Bully for you…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Just because the general public says that me doing a fucking drawing is illegal doesn't mean I'm going to listen and neither should anyone else.

Do what you will… Be responsible for your actions… If you want to draw kiddy porn so be it… Don’t get caught and if you do be a man about it…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I defend their right to do what they want and I will KILL to defend that right.

What is the problem TC with just adding that those young girls in that animated porn are all over the age of 18? Ruin the mood for you?

Ever hear of Cherry Poppers? The short version is it was a video porn series that portrayed women to be young virgins… They tried to make it illegal and failed due to all the actresses being of legal age…

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#6287 - 03/24/08 12:35 AM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: Asmedious]
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Greetings Asmedious,

 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
Personally, I don't care either way, if anyone enjoys CARTOONS of ANY KIND.

I really do not care either way myself… If asked to vote on it or if it mattered to me then we know I say fuck their perverted pleasure… As it really is a non-invasive art form it will go back underground where it belongs… In reality it’s only in the news because it has become popular and mainstream…

 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
However, what I find unsettling, is that a group of people have so much power, that they can ban a cartoon genere.

I hope this is not a news flash to you… Did you know about the “do not play” list sent to radio stations after 9-11? Did you know about the government paying off TV shows to add anti drug messages to their programming? Do you know what the Federal Reserve is? The few rule the many…

 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
I have never seen Lolicon, nor would seek out to watch it. However, I find it disturbing, that I am FORBIDDEN, from doing so, when it would harm no one, if I chose to view it.

You are forbidden from possessing marijuana in your state… You are forbidden from owning assault weapons… People still own things like grenades rockets and such and others even smoke pot… If there is nothing about lolicon that doesn’t hurt anyone. Then one can live a peaceful and productive life covered in cartoon kiddy porn till the day they die…

 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
To me, a cartoon, is not real in any shape or form. It's drawings made into animation.

Right and to have pathways in the brain that attract you to children or renditions of children well maybe they need help…

 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
I am not really sure if I care for children in general (some of them are very likable, while others are not), non the less, when I am around young children, I find in myself what appears to be a natural desire to protect them from any kind of harm, even if I don't know them.

I really cannot stand children, yet they seem to know it and it makes them like me… Go figure… What disgusts me about child molestation is the sickness that makes someone attack something unable to protect itself from them… For any other reason than survival… Child or dog it matters little to me...

 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
Another important thing in this discussion, I believe, is how we view a persons agenda behind their words.

Personally, I believe T.C when he states that he is NOT attempting to protect child pornography, but instead he is upset by the liberties that are being lost to what he might consider senseless censorship, because I feel the same way.

What I believe about TC is unimportant… What is important is seeing that fighting for such rights connects you to said people and opens your motives up for questioning… To go into a battle such as this without thinking it through to this point is not very intelligent…

Just my opinion…

~T~
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#6291 - 03/24/08 01:09 AM Re: Lolicon Illegal?! [Re: ta2zz]
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Points taken Ta2zz, and I agree with most of them. But let me ask you this, at what point do we say enough is enough, and we do not bow down to any more laws that are intruding on our liberties/privilages without at least expressing our disdain for them?

In regards to the pot, assult weapons and cartoon kiddy porn, I am not all that concerned for either one. Frankly, I'm too lazy to lobby for any of those privilages, nor do I have the time. However, it appears to me, that if at some point society, inluding my lazy ass don't at least protest in some way against the push towards, what appears to me, almost a monarchy like state, then one day the lord of the village will be fucking our soon to be brides, because they will insist that it is within their rights to do so. I know that I exaggerate, but you get my drift I'm sure.

Simply put, I find it very frustrating to see so many "freedoms" being taken away, and the general population just laying down and accepting it witout even a whimper against it. Although I am guilty of being passive myself.

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What is important is seeing that fighting for such rights connects you to said people and opens your motives up for questioning… To go into a battle such as this without thinking it through to this point is not very intelligent…


Very true. Yet, no one could ever accuse me of fighting intelligent battles. Many times I have jumped into the flame, knowing that I was going to get burned up and ripped apart, just for the fact that I didn't want to give up when I felt pushed, even if giving up would have been easier, and to my benefit in the long run. Too much pride and not always picking my battles wisely, is indeed one of my character flaws. But screw it, when all is said and done, we'll all be worm food in the end, and then we can just laugh about it all.
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