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#60012 - 10/12/11 11:27 PM MALCOLM X
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The quotations are divided into little subcategories. Unless stated otherwise, they are all by Malcolm X.


By Any Means Necessary...
"We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary."

"Our objective is complete freedom, justice and equality by any means necessary."

"The day that the black man takes an uncompromising step and realizes that he's within his rights, when his own freedom is being jeopardized, to use any means necessary to bring about his freedom or put a halt to that injustice, I don't think he'll be by himself."


Education, Students, the Youth...
"Without education, you're not going anywhere in this world."

"Education is our passport to the future, for tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today."

"Look at yourselves. Some of you teenagers, students. How do you think I feel and I belong to a generation ahead of you - how do you think I feel to have to tell you, 'We, my generation, sat around like a knot on a wall while the whole world was fighting for its hum an rights - and you've got to be born into a society where you still have that same fight.' What did we do, who preceded you ? I'll tell you what we did. Nothing. And don't you make the same mistake we made...."

"If you've studied the captives being caught by the American soldiers in South Vietnam, you'll find that these guerrillas are young people. Some of them are just children and some haven't reached their teens. Most are teenagers. It is the teenagers abroad, all over the world, who are actually involving themselves in the struggle to eliminate oppression and exploitation. In the Congo, the refugees point out that many of the Congolese revolutionaries, they shoot all the way down to seven years old - that's been reported in the press. Because the revolutionaries are children, young people. In these countries, the young people are the ones who most quickly identify with the struggle and the necessity to eliminate the evil conditions that exist. And here in this country, it has been my own observation that when you get into a conversation on racism and discrimination and segregation, you will find young people more incensed over it - they feel more filled with an urge to eliminate it."


On Martin Luther King, Jr...
"He got the peace prize, we got the problem.... If I'm following a general, and he's leading me into a battle, and the enemy tends to give him rewards, or awards, I get suspicious of him. Especially if he gets a peace award before the war is over."

"I'll say nothing against him. At one time the whites in the United States called him a racialist, and extremist, and a Communist. Then the Black Muslims came along and the whites thanked the Lord for Martin Luther King."

"Dr. King wants the same thing I want -- freedom!"

"I want Dr. King to know that I didn't come to Selma to make his job difficult. I really did come thinking I could make it easier. If the white people realize what the alternative is, perhaps they will be more willing to hear Dr. King."

Dr. King on Malcolm X:
"You know, right before he was killed he came down to Selma and said some pretty passionate things against me, and that surprised me because after all it was my territory there. But afterwards he took my wife aside, and said he thought he could help me more by attacking me than praising me. He thought it would make it easier for me in the long run."

"The goal has always been the same, with the approaches to it as different as mine and Dr. Martin Luther King's non-violent marching, that dramatizes the brutality and the evil of the white man against defenseless blacks. And in the racial climate of this country today, it is anybody's guess which of the "extremes" in approach to the black man's problems might personally meet a fatal catastrophe first -- "non-violent" Dr. King, or so-called "violent" me."


Violence, Nonviolence, Self-Defense...
"Concerning nonviolence: It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself, when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks. It is legal and lawful to own a shotgun or a rifle. We believe in obeying the law."

"It doesn't mean that I advocate violence, but at the same time, I am not against using violence in self-defense. I don't call it violence when it's self-defense, I call it intelligence."

"If violence is wrong in America, violence is wrong abroad. If it is wrong to be violent defending black women and black children and black babies and black men, then it is wrong for America to draft us, and make us violent abroad in defense of her. And if it is right for America to draft us, and teach us how to be violent in defense of her, then it is right for you and me to do whatever is necessary to defend our own people right here in this country."

"I don't mean go out and get violent; but at the same time you should never be nonviolent unless you run into some nonviolence. I'm nonviolent with those who are nonviolent with me. But when you drop that violence on me, then you've made me go insane, and I'm not responsible for what I do."

"I don't favor violence. If we could bring about recognition and respect of our people by peaceful means, well and good. Everybody would like to reach his objectives peacefully. But I'm also a realist. The only people in this country who are asked to be nonviolent are black people."

"Last but not least, I must say this concerning the great controversy over rifles and shotguns. The only thing I've ever said is that in areas where the government has proven itself either unwilling or unable to defend the lives and the property of Negroes, it's time for Negroes to defend themselves. Article number two of the Constitutional amendments provides you and me the right to own a rifle or a shotgun. It is constitutionally legal to own a shotgun or a rifle. This doesn't mean you're going to get a rifle and form battalions and go out looking for white folks, although you'd be within your rights - I mean, you'd be justified; but that would be illegal and we don't do anything illegal. If the white man doesn't want the black man buying rifles and shotguns, then let the government do its job. That's all."


The White Man...

"If I have a cup of coffee that is too strong for me because it is too black, I weaken it by pouring cream into it. I integrate it with cream. If I keep pouring enough cream in the coffee, pretty soon the entire flavor of the coffee is changed; the very nature of the coffee is changed. If enough cream is poured in, eventually you don't even know that I had coffee in this cup. This is what happened with the March on Washington. The whites didn't integrate it; they infiltrated it. Whites joined it; they engulfed it; they became so much a part of it, it lost its original flavor. It ceased to be a black march; it ceased to be militant; it ceased to be angry; it ceased to be impatient. In fact, it ceased to be a march."

"But it does make the black people in this country who are jobless and unemployed and standing in the welfare line very much discouraged to see a government that can't solve our problem, can't provide job opportunities for us, and at the some time not only Cubans but Hungarians and every other type of white refugee imaginable can come to this country and get everything this government has to offer."

"I've never seen a sincere white man, not when it comes to helping black people. Usually things like this are done by white people to benefit themselves. The white man's primary interest is not to elevate the thinking of black people, or to waken black people, or white people either. The white man is interested in the black man only to the extent that the black man is of use to him. The white man's interest is to make money, to exploit."

"The common enemy is the white man."


Repayment (or Lack Thereof)...
"An integrated cup of coffee isn't sufficient pay for four hundred years of slave labor."

"How can you thank a man for giving you what's already yours? How then can you thank him for giving you only part of what is yours?"

"I can't turn around without hearing about some 'civil rights advance'! White people seem to think the black man ought to be shouting 'hallelujah'! Four hundred years the white man has had his foot-long knife in the black man's back - and now the white man starts to wiggle the knife out, maybe six inches! The black man's supposed to be grateful? Why, if the white man jerked the knife out, it's still going to leave a scar!"


Freedom, Death, and the Oppressed...
"Power in defense of freedom is greater than power in behalf of tyranny and oppression."

"Truth is on the side of the oppressed."

"You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."

"You don't have to be a man to fight for freedom. All you have to do is to be an intelligent human being."

"If you're not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary."

"The price of freedom is death."

"Respect me, or put me to death."

"When a person places the proper value on freedom, there is nothing under the sun that he will not do to acquire that freedom. Whenever you hear a man saying he wants freedom, but in the next breath he is going to tell you what he won't do to get it, or what he doesn't believe in doing in order to get it, he doesn't believe in freedom. A man who believes in freedom will do anything under the sun to acquire...or preserve his freedom."


I Am Not a Racist...
"I am not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color."

"I am not a racist.... In the past I permitted myself to be used...to make sweeping indictments of all white people, the entire white race and these generalizations have caused injuries to some whites who perhaps did not deserve to be hurt. Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as a result of my recent pilgrimage to the Holy city of Mecca, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race. I am now striving to live the life of a true...Muslim. I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenants of racism. I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people."

"I am not a racist in any form whatsoever. I don't believe in any form of discrimination or segregation."


Unity, Brotherhood, Objectives...
"It is a time for martyrs now, and if I am to be one, it will be for the cause of brotherhood. That's the only thing that can save this country."

"Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society."

"The only way we'll get freedom for ourselves is to identify ourselves with every oppressed people in the world. We are blood brothers to the people of Brazil, Venezuela, Haiti... Cuba - yes Cuba too."

"When you go to a church and you see the pastor of that church with a philosophy and a program that's designed to bring black people together and elevate black people, join that church! If you see where the NAACP is preaching and practising that which is designed to make black nationalism materialize, join the NAACP. Join any kind of organization--civic, religious, fraternal, political or otherwise--that's based on lifting... the black man up and making him master of his own community."

"I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don't believe in brotherhood with anybody who doesn't want brotherhood with me. I believe in treating people right, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to treat somebody right who doesn't know how to return the treatment."

"We black men have a hard enough time in our own struggle for justice, and already have enough enemies as it is, to make the drastic mistake of attacking each other and adding more weight to an already unbearable load."

"There can be no black-white unity until there is first some black unity.... We cannot think of uniting with others, until after we have first united among ourselves. We cannot think of being acceptable to others until we have first proven acceptable to ourselves."


Revolution...
"Who ever heard of angry revolutionists all harmonizing 'We shall overcome ... Suum Day...' while tripping and swaying along arm-in-arm with the very people they were supposed to be angrily revolting against ? Who ever heard of angry revolutionists swinging their bare feet together with their oppressor in lily-pad park pools, with gospels and guitars and 'I have a dream' speeches? And the black masses in America were--and still are--having a nightmare."

"The white man knows what a revolution is. He knows that the Black Revolution is worldwide in scope and in nature. The Black Revolution is sweeping Asia, is sweeping Africa, is rearing its head in Latin America. The Cuban Revolution - that's a revolution. They overturned the system. Revolution is in Asia, revolution is in Africa, and the white man is screaming because he sees revolution in Latin America. How do you think he'll react to you when you learn what a real revolution is?"

"It is incorrect to classify the revolt of the Negro as simply a radical conflict of black against white or as a purely American problem. Rather, we are today seeing a global rebellion of the oppressed against the oppressor, the exploited against the exploiter."

"The same rebellion, the same impatience, the same anger that exists in the hearts of the dark people in Africa and Asia is existing in the hearts and minds of 20 million black people in this country who have been just as thoroughly colonized as the people in Africa and Asia."

"Usually when people are sad, they don't do anything. They just cry over their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about a change."

"I for one believe that if you give people a thorough understanding of what confronts them and the basic causes that produce it, they'll create their own program, and when the people create a program, you get action."


Africans in America...
"I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't make you a diner, unless you eat some of what's on that plate. Being here in America doesn't make you an American.... No I'm not an American, I'm one of the 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy.... I'm speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of a victim. I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare."

"We're not Americans, we're Africans who happen to be in America. We were kidnapped and brought here against our will from Africa. We didn't land on Plymouth Rock - that rock landed on us."

"One of the things that made the Black Muslim movement grow was its emphasis upon things African. This was the secret to the growth of the Black Muslim movement. African blood, African origin, African culture, African ties. And you'd be surprised - we discovered that deep within the subconscious of the black man in this country, he is still more African than he is American."

"Twenty-two million African-Americans - that's what we are - Africans who are in America."

"When I'm traveling around the country, I use my real Muslim name, Malik Shabazz. I make my hotel reservations under that name, and I always see the same thing I've just been telling you. I come to the desk and always see that 'here-comes-a-Negro' look. It's kind of a reserved, coldly tolerant cordiality. But when I say 'Malik Shabazz,' their whole attitude changes: they snap to respect. They think I'm an African. People say what's in a name? There's a whole lot in a name. The American black man is seeing the African respected as a human being. The African gets respect because he has an identity and cultural roots. But most of all because the African owns some land. For these reasons he has his human rights recognized, and that makes his civil rights automatic."


Politics and 'isms...

When asked if he would accept outer help from the Communists:

"Let me tell you a little story. It's like being in a wolf's den. The wolf sees someone on the outside who is interested in freeing me from the den. The wolf doesn't like that person on the outside. But I don't care who opens the door and lets me out."

"Then your answer is yes?"

"No, I'm talking about a wolf."

"The zionist argument to justify Israel's present occupation of Arab Palestine has no intelligent or legal basis in history."

"It is impossible for capitalism to survive, primarily because the system of capitalism needs some blood to suck. Capitalism used to be like an eagle, but now it's more like a vulture. It used to be strong enough to go and suck anybody's blood whether they were strong or not. But now it has become more cowardly, like the vulture, and it can only suck the blood of the helpless. As the nations of the world free themselves, the capitalism has less victims, less to suck, and it becomes weaker and weaker. It's only a matter of time in my opinion before it will collapse completely."

"I might point out here that colonialism or imperialism, as the slave system of the West is called, is not something that is just confined to England or France or the United States. The interests in this country are in cahoots with the interests in France and the interests in Britain. It's one huge complex or combine, and it creates what's known not as the American power structure or the French power structure, but an international power structure. This international power structure is used to suppress the masses of dark-skinned people all over the world and exploit them of their natural resources."

"I think that an objective analysis of events that are taking place on this earth today points towards some type of ultimate showdown. You can call it political showdown, or even a showdown between the economic systems that exist on this earth which almost boil down along racial lines. I do believe that there will be a clash between East and West. I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those that do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the systems of exploitation."

"A new world order is in the making, and it is up to us to prepare ourselves that we may take our rightful place in it."

"A ballot is like a bullet. You don't throw your ballots until you see a target, and if that target is not in reach, keep your ballot in your pocket."

"We, the Black masses, don't want these leaders who seek our support coming to us representing a certain political party. They must come to us today as Black Leaders representing the welfare of Black people. We won't follow any leader today who comes on the basis of political party. Both parties (Democrat and Republican) are controlled by the same people who have abused our rights, and who have deceived us with false promises every time an election rolls around."


Hypocrisy, Delusion, Honesty...
"They don't stand for anything different in South Africa than America stands for. The only difference is over there they preach as well as practice apartheid. America preaches freedom and practices slavery."

"I would like to point something out so that we'll understand each other better. I don't want you to think in the statements I made that I'm being disrespectful towards you as white people. I'm being frank. And I think that my statements will give you a better insight on the mind of a black man than most statements you get from most people who call themselves Negroes, who usually tell you what they want you to hear with the hope...that will make them draw closer to you and create a better possibility of getting from you some of the crumbs that you might let fall from your table. Well, I'm not looking for crumbs so I'm not trying to delude you."

"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or who says it."


Women...
"If you are in a country that is progressive, the woman is progressive. If you're in a country that reflects the consciousness toward the importance of education, it's because the woman is aware of the importance of education. But in every backward country you'll find the women are backward, and in every country where education is not stressed its because the women don't have education."


Humans, Human Rights, Humanity...
"I believe in human rights for everyone, and none of us is qualified to judge each other and that none of us should therefore have that authority."

"It is not a case of our people...wanting either separation or integration. The use of these words actually clouds the real picture. The 22 million Afro-Americans don't seek either separation or integration. They seek recognition and respect as human beings."

"I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being, first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole."

"We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for integration, nor are we fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition...for the right to live as free humans in this society."

"I believe in recognizing every human being as a human being - neither white, black, brown, or red; and when you are dealing with humanity as a family there's no question of integration or intermarriage. It's just one human being marrying another human being or one human being living around and with another human being."


Who Am I?

When asked: "Do you consider yourself militant?"

"I consider myself Malcolm!"

"I'm the man you think you are.... If you want to know what I'll do, figure out what you'll do. I'll do the same thing -- only more of it."

"I am neither a fanatic nor a dreamer. I am a black man who loves peace, and justice, and loves his people."

"I believe that it would be almost impossible to find anywhere in America a black man who has lived further down in the mud of human society than I have; or a black man who has been any more ignorant than I have; or a black man who has suffered more anguish during his life than I have. But it is only after the deepest darkness that the greatest joy can come; it is only after slavery and prison that the sweetest appreciation of freedom can come."

"I may say, though, that I don't think it should ever be put upon a black man, I don't think the burden to defend any position should ever be put upon the black man, because it is the white man collectively who has shown that he is hostile toward integration and toward intermarriage and toward those other strides toward oneness. So as a black man, and especially as a black American, any stand that I formerly took, I don't think that I have to defend it because it's still a reaction to the society, and it's a reaction that was produced by the society; and I think that it is the society that produced this that should be attacked, not the reaction that develops among the people who are the victims of that negative society."

"I am and always will be a Muslim. My religion is Islam."


The NOI (Nation of Islam)/"Black Muslims"
"For 12 long years I lived within the narrow-minded confines of the 'straightjacket world' created by my strong belief that Elijah Muhammad was a messenger direct from God Himself, and my faith in what I now see to be a pseudo-religious philosophy that he preaches.... I shall never rest until I have undone the harm I did to so many well-meaning, innocent Negroes who through my own evangelistic zeal now believe in him even more fanatically and more blindly than I did."

"I had blind faith in him. My faith in Elijah Muhammad was more blind and more uncompromising than any faith that any man has ever had for another man. And so I didn't try and see him as he actually was."

"The thing that you have to understand about those of us in the Black Muslim movement was that all of us believed 100 percent in the divinity of Elijah Muhammad. We believed in him. We actually believed that God, in Detroit by the way, that God had taught him and all of that. I always believed that he believed in himself. And I was shocked when I found out that he himself didn't believe it. And when that shock reached me, then I began to look everywhere else and try to get a better understanding of the things that confront all of us so that we can get together in some kind of way to offset them."

"Before the Black Muslim movement came along, the NAACP was looked upon as radical; they were getting ready to investigate it. And then along came the Muslim movement and frightened the white man so hard that he began to say, 'Thank God for old Uncle Roy, and Uncle Whitney, and Uncle A. Philip....' "

"I think you'll find, brother, that there are Muslims everywhere. Wherever you find militancy today among so-called Negroes, watch real closely. You're liable to be looking at a Muslim."


Before True Islam...
"I am a Muslim, because it's a religion that teaches you an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. It teaches you to respect everybody, and treat everybody right. But it also teaches you if someone steps on your toe, chop off their foot. And I carry my religious axe with me all the time."

"There is nothing in our book, the Qur'an, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone lays a hand on you, send him to the cemetery."


Islam...
"I believe in Islam. I am a Muslim and there is nothing wrong with being a Muslim, nothing wrong with the religion of Islam. It just teaches us to believe in Allah as the God. Those of you who are Christian probably believe in the same God, because I think you believe in the God Who created the universe. That's the One we believe in, the One Who created universe--the only difference being you call Him God and we call Him Allah. The Jews call Him Jehovah. If you could understand Hebrew, you would probably call Him Jehovah too. If you could understand Arabic, you would probably call Him Allah...."

"America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered white, but the white attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all together, irrespective of their color."

"I believe in a religion that believes in freedom. Any time I have to accept a religion that won't let me fight a battle for my people, I say to hell with that religion."

"True Islam taught me that it takes all of the religious, political, economic, psychological, and racial ingredients, or characteristics, to make the Human Family and the Human Society complete."

"At one or another college or university, usually in the informal gatherings after I had spoken, perhaps a dozen generally white-complexioned people would come up to me, identifying themselves as Arabian, Middle Eastern or North African Muslims who happened to be visiting, studying, or living in the United States. They had said to me that, my white-indicting statements notwithstanding, they felt I was sincere in considering myself a Muslim -- and they felt if I was exposed to what they always called 'true Islam,' I would 'understand it, and embrace it.' Automatically, as a follower of Elijah, I had bridled whenever this was said. But in the privacy of my own thoughts after several of these experiences, I did question myself: if one was sincere in professing a religion, why should he balk at broadening his knowledge of that religion?
Those orthodox Muslims whom I had met, one after another, had urged me to meet and talk with a Dr. Mahmoud Youssef Shawarbi. . . . Then one day Dr. Shawarbi and I were introduced by a newspaperman. He was cordial. He said he had followed me in the press; I said I had been told of him, and we talked for fifteen or twenty minutes. We both had to leave to make appointments we had, when he dropped on me something whose logic never would get out of my head. He said, 'No man has believed perfectly until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.' "

"I am and always will be a Muslim. My religion is Islam."


Miscellaneous...
"If we don't stand for something, we may fall for anything."

"Early in life I had learned that if you want something, you had better make some noise."

"My alma mater was books, a good library.... I could spend the rest of my life reading, just satisfying my curiosity."

"Anytime you see someone more successful than you are, they are doing something you aren't."

"History is a people's memory, and without a memory, man is demoted to the lower animals."


The End...
"Here I am, back in Mecca. I am still traveling, trying to broaden my mind, for I've seen too much of the damage narrow-mindedness can make of things, and when I return home to America, I will devote what energies I have to repairing the damage."

"In my recent travels into African countries and others, I was impressed by the importance of having a working unity among all peoples, black as well as white."

"For the freedom of my 22 million black brothers and sisters here in America, I do believe that I have fought the best that I know how, and the best that I could, with the shortcomings that I have had...I know that societies often have killed people who have helped to change those societies. And if I can die having brought any light, having exposed any meaningful truth that will help destroy the racist cancer that is malignant in the body of America then, all of the credit is due to Allah. Only the mistakes have been mine."

"I always knew it would end like this."

"All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of all the worlds."
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#60013 - 10/12/11 11:57 PM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: SS-36]
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And what is the point of all these quotes?
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#60014 - 10/13/11 12:06 AM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I'm only interested in Malcom XXX.

He's on RedTube. \:D
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#60016 - 10/13/11 12:22 AM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: SS-36]
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I respect Malcolm X's legacy just as much as the next, but we don't need fucking copypasta overload, Jesus fucking Christ. At least add some commentary for goodness' sake.

A proper introduction wouldn't hurt either.
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#60017 - 10/13/11 12:28 AM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: The Zebu]
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What they all said.
Keep up with the copy and paste jobs with none of your own substance and you will be banned.

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#61178 - 11/06/11 07:45 AM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: Morgan]
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I respect Malcolm X for the efforts he made for his race and his beliefs, however it makes no sense to randomly post a ton of his quotes....

that being said, had X lived, he would most likely have been forgotten...

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#61244 - 11/07/11 05:02 PM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: SS-36]
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I'm not going to take every one of these quotes on, but would like to address a few.
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"If you've studied the captives being caught by the American soldiers in South Vietnam, you'll find that these guerrillas are young people. Some of them are just children and some haven't reached their teens. Most are teenagers. It is the teenagers abroad, all over the world, who are actually involving themselves in the struggle to eliminate oppression and exploitation. In the Congo, the refugees point out that many of the Congolese revolutionaries, they shoot all the way down to seven years old - that's been reported in the press. Because the revolutionaries are children, young people. In these countries, the young people are the ones who most quickly identify with the struggle and the necessity to eliminate the evil conditions that exist. And here in this country, it has been my own observation that when you get into a conversation on racism and discrimination and segregation, you will find young people more incensed over it - they feel more filled with an urge to eliminate it."


This is because youth, lacking experience and fully developed rational faculties, are easily manipulated and indoctrinated into a "noble" cause. If they are told they should be enraged, they will be. If they are told they will be heroes and will be praised and celebrated for their sacrifice should they die in battle, they will be all too glad to do so. If they are told that the enemy is evil, they may ask why, but will readily and wholly believe anything they are told, even if they are blatant lies. In a sense, children are the perfect obedient soldiers. However, it is one thing to send an adult into the fray when they know or at least have a good idea of what they are getting into, but it is something else entirely to send someone who understands only that they should, but not the ramifications.

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"Our objective is complete freedom, justice and equality by any means necessary."


Freedom and justice are fine, but equality, whether political/social or racial is illusory. There are obvious racial distinctions and, yes, even stereotypes and pretending they don't exist is absurd. Politically speaking it really depends on the political system, but almost invariably someone is getting the short end of the stick.

I really like what he has to say about violence and self-defense.

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"I've never seen a sincere white man, not when it comes to helping black people. Usually things like this are done by white people to benefit themselves. The white man's primary interest is not to elevate the thinking of black people, or to waken black people, or white people either. The white man is interested in the black man only to the extent that the black man is of use to him. The white man's interest is to make money, to exploit."


Most "charitable" actions fall under this category. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but outside of some genuine friends and other valued people, isn't it natural to be interested in other people only insofar as they are useful? I don't know about you, but I don't have a whole lot of time to waste on people I deem useless.

I'd like to address more but I am replying on my mobile and it is exceedingly annoying even with the QWERTY keypad.
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#61257 - 11/08/11 09:03 AM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: Draculesti]
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It's interesting, to say the least, seeing Malcolm X extensively quoted in a post on this site, given that his fellow prisoners referred to Malcolm Little as "Satan," yet after he converted to Islam and took the name Malcolm X, he frequently spoke of "blue eyed devils" and said that white men are devils. One can only wonder how closely he read the Quran, as it does NOT promote racial egalitarianism. And Islam DOES condone slavery.

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Racism.Islam

Recently Al Qaeda "rebels" were only too happy to target and slaughter dark skinned people in Libya. And light skinned Arabs also targeted dark skinned people in Sudan.

It seems to me that a more appropriate post regarding black people and Satanism might explore the African roots of some black magic practices and address current race relations within the LHP community.


Edited by dust-e sheytoon (11/08/11 09:10 AM)
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#61262 - 11/08/11 11:40 AM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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One can only wonder how closely he read the Quran, as it does NOT promote racial egalitarianism. And Islam DOES condone slavery.


The Nation of Islam promoted an image of Islam as a pan-African faith (bolstered by the antiquated archetype of the black "Moor"), and subsequently, the overwhelming majority of members converted for racial reasons, since Christianity was viewed as a "slave religion". This, of course, belies the fact that Islam was also imposed by slavery.

Admittedly, one can also find some egalitarian-sounding verses such as "Allah does not look at your shapes or your colors but He looks at your hearts and your deeds.", but it's basically the same thing as all the contradictions found in the Bible... except perhaps less excusable because at least the Bible was written by different authors over several centuries, whereas Muhammad should have at least been able to get his shit straight in a single book.

Traditional African faiths like Vodou would make more sense racially, but the average African-American would have difficulty relating to anything outside of Abrahamic salvation-based religions. Traditional religions also do not proselytize, so such practices usually stay within families and small communities.

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It seems to me that a more appropriate post regarding black people and Satanism might explore the African roots of some black magic practices and address current race relations within the LHP community.


As I've elaborated before, many practices in black magic have parallels in African sympathetic rituals. I believe that the majority of folk magic worldwide is intimately connected by the same web of archetypes. You can see this in Greco-Egyptian sorcery, Goetic Necromancy, Hoodoo, etc.

In the wider picture, an individual's religious views are often tied closely to ideas of race and self-image. Heathenry, for instance, often invokes ideas of ancestral faith and cultural heritage. Other movements exist in Greek, Roman, Celtic, and Slavic countries.

Satanism has no clear-cut heritage except that it is fundamentally Western. In turn, the Devil is viewed differently across the west, and often conflated with various native deities. In the past, there existed the somewhat-weathered archetype of Satan as the "man at the crossroads" ala Hoodoo, but I would imagine that a black Satanist would be more likely to become involved in the contemporary LHP "scene", since it's not like every black person has some stereotypical old mambo aunt to fill their heads with stories of Papa Legba.

Most I have come across have been theistic. Perhaps this is because of the accessibility of Theistic Satanism, but maybe it is also due to the reputation for quasi-fascism that can be found in more ideologically-driven LHP circles.

Outside of the USA, there are a couple Quimbanda circles that identify with Satanism, but I have no first-hand knowledge of such things. Honestly, there's not much more I can say on the subject without talking out of my ass.


Edited by The Zebu (11/08/11 11:46 AM)
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#61476 - 11/16/11 07:06 PM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: The Zebu]
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The distinction between black and white resembles to the distinction between good and evil.



One line posts are frowned upon here. If you keep it up, it may result in a banning... Morgan


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#61513 - 11/17/11 01:48 PM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
...In the past, there existed the somewhat-weathered archetype of Satan as the "man at the crossroads" ala Hoodoo, but I would imagine that a black Satanist would be more likely to become involved in the contemporary LHP "scene", since it's not like every black person has some stereotypical old mambo aunt to fill their heads with stories of Papa Legba.

There are many Haitians, Puerto Ricans and Dominicans in New York City who practice Voodoo or Santaria. And there are a surprising number of non-Caribbean Caucasians who practice these religions, or at least aspects of them. Several years ago, I attended a ceremony summoning Papa Legba in the Bronx. I was one of a handful of Euro-American attendees. Most were very dark-skinned Haitians. The drummers, however, who play a very important role in the ceremony, were non-Caribbean Caucasians. I mentioned my surprise at this to one of the organizers. He said that not only were these individuals very talented and very devoted to Voodoo, they were also very dependable from an event planning perspective.

Voodoo veves are central to the carved candle magic employed by a shop that is a bit of an East Village, New York institution - in a neighborhood where escalating rents make staying in business truly challenging. Their mostly Caucasian workers and customers certainly do not fit your description of a "stereotypical old mambo aunt to fill their heads with stories of Papa Legba." On the contrary, they've carried books by respected authors such as Zora Neale Hurston. I also purchased my copy of The Satanic Bible there.

One of my former neighbors was an Afro-American, self-identified Satanist, and he had many images of Baphomet in his apartment. I will forever be grateful to him that he scared away the Jahovah's Witnesses who used to plague our building, waking us up in early mornings.
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#61586 - 11/19/11 11:12 AM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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I am encouraged to have read the post by dust-e sheytoon reminding us that yes there are instances of blacks and whites getting along for the sake of practicing Dark Arts, including Black Magic used in the path of professed Satanism.
Should the primary thought of different races of people getting along for the sake of Satanic unity constantly remain in the front of our minds? Certainly one would not be wrong if that was their chosen niche or motivation, but lets keep in mind Satanism teaches us to deal with our present reality based on our current surroundings. We are realists.
Example: If you are a white Satanist and live in a vast majority white neighborhood or town, would you find it relevant or necessary to preach that Satanism does not advocate rasism, particularly if many of that neighborhood or towns inhabitants are racist? Perhaps the best way to stand up for YOURSELF is when you hear a racist joke is to simply put say "oh it doesnt bother me to be around someone of another race". Maybe then you can briefly explain why. And I say this is standing up for yourself because Satanism is not a racist spirituality or mindset, thereby making a Satanist non-racist.
Lets look at if you live in a mixed neighborhood, perhaps a larger metropolis in the USA such as NYC. In examples like this, you will most likely encounter some form of opposition due to more races of people and more religions within one area. As much as Satanists are taught be strong and stand up for your own self, wishful thinking says you will never need to call on a brother or sister for help or encouragement. Thereby we should ready ourselves to stand up for others in the time of need. Yes there will be times the best thing to do is stand up for someone based on your common beliefs if they are facing racist attacks, be them verbal or physical- or written for that matter.

Satanism is a worldwide religion and not soley intended for white Americans- many in the 1960s and 1970s began to see through this false image cast when numerous races and nationalities began to express interest in the CoS and its beliefs. Some may say Sammy Davis was the only black Warlock in the CoS but I know otherwise. Lets not forget that many other races are hated on in the USA, including but not limited to Asians and Hispanics.
If anything, I love the fact that Satanism teaches one to stand up for themselves, which includes standing up for their ancestry. You can learn how to benefit from the strengths of your DNA makeup without dabbling in counter productively prideful activity and making a hollow stance that your genetics are all you need. I know this firsthand because my DNA suggest I am a god to all caucasians, particularly Europeans.
However, I choose to pride myself in my spiritual DNA, that is to say all I have inherited from the Lord of the Earth and the Ineffable King of Hell. He is Satan, the god of this world!

Again, thank you for sharing your experiences dust-e sheytoon!
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#61593 - 11/19/11 03:37 PM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: LeftHandonFeet]
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 Originally Posted By: LeftHandonFeet
...would you find it relevant or necessary to preach that Satanism does not advocate racism...?
IMAO Satanism is antithetical to "preaching," on principle - unless the goal is to mind control the "preachees."

When I hear a "joke" putting down any demographic in particular, I always ask myself, is there any "truth" conveyed by the "joke" or is it simply a mechanism to enlist others in a form of directed groupthink? I analyze the motive of the person telling the "joke" and what they seek to gain from it. I sometimes ask the "joke" teller questions in order to find out their motive for telling the "joke." Some are shocked by this, and others go on to have a deep discussion.

Freud said that, "A joke is an epitaph of a feeling." He wrote an interesting book on humor.

A friend recently posted some lines from a performance by a misogynist comedian. I commented by reversing the genders and retelling the "joke" to show the "joke's" true nature. Then I shared a link to a film with a male character/prototype I respect. My friend liked it.

 Originally Posted By: LeftHandonFeet
Yes there will be times the best thing to do is stand up for someone based on your common beliefs if they are facing racist attacks, be them verbal or physical- or written for that matter.
When I see someone or some group come under an attack, and I would prefer not to see the attack succeed, my tendency is not to defend them but rather to create strategies by which the person or group can defend themselves, and to show them how they could implement that strategy. This could help them to naturally select themselves as victors if they meet the challenge and do the work. I also look at what the weaknesses are in the attacker, since they may be most vulnerable when they are on the attack.

 Originally Posted By: LeftHandonFeet
I love the fact that Satanism teaches one to stand up for themselves, which includes standing up for their ancestry. You can learn how to benefit from the strengths of your DNA makeup without dabbling in counter productively prideful activity and making a hollow stance that your genetics are all you need.
Yes, that kind of pride breeds laziness. Reminds of beautiful people I've met who were deadly boring because they relied on their looks and did nothing to develop their minds and personalities.

Thank you for your enthusiasm, LeftHandonFeet.
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#63252 - 01/02/12 11:45 AM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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Race shouldn't be a particularly sensitive issue for any Satanist; "nigger," "whop," "chink," etc are all words of power. All you have to do to test their power is stand up in the middle of McDonalds and start using them on people. I love telling "racist" jokes. Primarily, it's fun to be provocative; but it's also interesting to see how people respond. If they laugh, you can make them feel guilty for being "racist," and if they don't you can make them feel uncomfortable for being prude--it's a win/win.
Malcolm X was an interesting guy. In my teens, I read his "Autobiography..." and found myself getting a kick out of his life. In terms of creating a legacy, of course it was more beneficial that he was murdered. After taking a pilgrimage and seeing what Islam "truly" was, he undoubtedly would've turned into a bland spiritual and cultural leader; perhaps the only thing interesting to come of that is a media-driven battle with the Nation of Islam.
His flirtations with socialism/communism were completely expected. He lamented about the mistreatment and degradation of his culture and people; all the while striving his hardest to erase his individuality--going so far as to surrender his surname and melt into collectivist religions and ideologies. Like most people who perceive themselves as victims, X could not afford himself the struggle of having to be an individual.
That nigger Malcolm X was no "man against time;" more just an expression of his cultural milieu.

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#63256 - 01/02/12 01:13 PM Re: MALCOLM X [Re: Shea]
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 Originally Posted By: Shea
Race shouldn't be a particularly sensitive issue for any Satanist; "nigger," "whop," "chink," etc are all words of power. All you have to do to test their power is stand up in the middle of McDonalds and start using them on people. I love telling "racist" jokes. Primarily, it's fun to be provocative; but it's also interesting to see how people respond. If they laugh, you can make them feel guilty for being "racist," and if they don't you can make them feel uncomfortable for being prude--it's a win/win.
Maybe you'll add these to your repertoire: What do you call white women with yeast infections? Crackers with cheese. What do you call a bunch of white guys sitting on a bench? The NBA
. What do you call a mob of white people in Detroit burning down the city? A hockey victory.

The following "‪White Chicks Yo Mama Jokes" seems more class-based, but the "Yo Mama" joke paradigm probably did originate with black folks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb7z_NScS6M
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