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#60176 - 10/18/11 01:58 AM Philosophy of the Church of Satan
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Kevin Slaughter gives an hour-long speech on Satanism
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#60177 - 10/18/11 02:26 AM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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It's nice and refreshing to see a practitioner give an intelligent and academic perspective on Satanism. Kudos.

Kinda loud at times though (at least he seems passionate)... and I noticed a certain giddiness in his voice every time he dropped a German philosophical buzzword... really drew out the guttural consonants. (I SEE WHAT U DID THAR)


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#60183 - 10/18/11 10:31 AM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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I just finished watching the lecture and thoroughly enjoyed it.

It is obvious he is a graphics designer and did his entire lecture on power point or similar software. It was well written, and thought out, one of the best lectures I have ever seen or heard on Satanism.

The only problem with it was the end of Chapter 8 where he gets into the point and it skips and goes right to Chapter 9... but it was powerful and a must see for all.

Oh, and I wanted to fix his damn collar the entire hour, drove me fucking nuts!

It is an hour long but I'd even like to see this put in the media room.
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#60184 - 10/18/11 10:46 AM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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and I noticed a certain giddiness in his voice every time he dropped a German philosophical buzzword... really drew out the guttural consonants. (I SEE WHAT U DID THAR)

Ha! I noticed that as well, made me chuckle. I enjoyed his fiery sermon-on-the-mount style, reminiscent of Baptist preachers in the South. Was it deliberately ironic? Good stuff.
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#60204 - 10/18/11 07:42 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Nemesis]
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Actually... for those of you who've ever been to Germany and have heard someone who speaks "High German" isolate a word and pronounce it, that's pretty much what it sounds like. Always made me have a picture of Erich Von Stroheim in my head when I heard it.

And really... what the fuck is wrong with you people? Someone who knows their subject and can actually talk about it intelligently and without resorting to word soup? There might be hope... I live in hope, but dog-paddle in doubt.

If anyone would like an MP3 of this, let me know.
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#60214 - 10/18/11 11:15 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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I've seen about half of this so far and it's been bloody wonderful except that YouTube keeps stopping its videos on my PC. I've tried changing browsers, clearing cookies and so on but still have to keep stopping the show myself to buffer then press "start" again. This ruins any atmosphere built up by the voice as well as being a pain to do. Any ideas, folks?

Yes please, Jake I think quite a few of us would appreciate an audio copy we can download - thank you!
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#60215 - 10/18/11 11:27 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: felixgarnet]
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OK Felix. I'll see what I can do... right now my mp3 is acting strange, but I'll work on it.
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#60217 - 10/19/11 06:20 AM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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It was indeed nice to hear someone who wasn't simply ranting but gave an intelligent and comprehensive viewpoint into Satanism. It was great to watch, but also wanted to listen to it on my mp3 player while working on projects.

I took the audio off of the film and uploaded it for anyone who'd like it. It's found here, a little over 125MB.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=V53H1FEP
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#60219 - 10/19/11 09:23 AM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Rein]
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Meh, at the risk of attaining captain bringdown status, I just have to offer this; whenever two or more aprehend something in an identical fashion, you can be sure one is following the other, and all of these CoS reps surely sound alike.

What made Anton great is that he followed no man, which is something lost to those that ride on his legacy.
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#60222 - 10/19/11 10:03 AM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Meh, at the risk of attaining captain bringdown status, I just have to offer this; whenever two or more aprehend something in an identical fashion, you can be sure one is following the other, and all of these CoS reps surely sound alike.

What made Anton great is that he followed no man, which is something lost to those that ride on his legacy.


Soooo... you know, Dan, most of the ONA people sound pretty damned much alike to me. If it weren't for buzzwords and jargon, I don't think that many of them would have anything to say.

It's the same with any group and any organization. ANY GROUP AND ANY ORGANIZATION.

So the guy "gets" what LaVey was saying... makes him no less effective than some of the ONA people who "get" what Myatt/Long were saying.
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#60224 - 10/19/11 02:06 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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I enjoyed this immensely. I always like when something good comes out of the LaVeyan school of thought. Reminded me of a televangelist I watch on TV sometimes (his face gets so red, I am waiting for him to have a heart attack).
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#60225 - 10/19/11 03:02 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: FemaleSatan]
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True story Jake, many that use ONA form are but followers.

As it is with anything.

The key difference is that the CoS, as an org aggressively promotes this sort of sychophantic mentality. Every single thing this guy had to say was straight from the mind of LaVey.

Would you hold the same respect for LaVey had he merely been parroting the ideas of others?
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#60229 - 10/19/11 05:03 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I think the talk had enough personal insight and elaboration to elevate it from the typical TSB-cliffnotes that's usually flung around, but of course, I can't vouch for him personally, having not met him nor see any of his other works.
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#60235 - 10/19/11 06:52 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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Devout followers of Jesus too, gain personal perspective and insight, to varying degrees, in regards to their chosen faith. That doesn't mean their core isn't rigid, and that they aren't dogmatic followers.


Ever hear a CoS member ever publicly disagree with a word LaVey ever said? I'm pretty sure their official policy is if you disagree with a single word written in TSB you aren't actually a Satanist.

Just sayin bro.
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#60240 - 10/19/11 08:27 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Heheh. Actually, LaVey had quite a few views that would definitely not fly with the modern CoS; even some verses in the Satanic Bible.

I'm not saying that LaVeyan Satanism is the bastion of freethought and originality, but I've met a few members that definitely knew their shit and could think for themselves.
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#60241 - 10/19/11 08:28 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I haven't Dan... nope. Not me. Nope...

Myatt ... mumble mumble... Acausal... mumble mumble... Magian... mumble mumble... Mundane... mumble munble ... memes memes... mumble mumble...

I REALLY don't understand why people just don't GET OVER the CoS if they think that they are so bad about things. Could it be... and my answer is YES... that they just aren't secure enough in their OWN systems that they can function without a scapegoated (and I hate to use this term) LHP group to point to? And if they CAN, then why can't they just get over LaVey and stand on their two feet and DO IT????

I don't think they can. And not much has ever shown me that they ever will. Most "Satanic" groups say that LaVeyans have become regimented. Maybe they have. They sure ain't my type of "LaVeyans" for the most part... but if you can't be intellectually honest enough to realize that all of the "Satanic" groups are the same way out there, we might as well close up shop and go home. CoS, ONA, Setians, CoC, et al are all saying the same thing. "WE ARE. Everything else isn't."

Some people resonate to LaVey's message. Some people resonate to that of Myatt. Some people resonate to the words of even Venger Satanis. Get over it.

I don't see it happening any time soon.
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#60244 - 10/19/11 08:54 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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Myatt ... mumble mumble... Acausal... mumble mumble Magian... mumble mumble... Mundane... mumble munble ... memes memes... mumble mumble...


"To follow our way of Acausal Empathy is to live by the law of the Sinister-Numen, and a Wyrdful knowing which can only come from practical and dangerous overcoming through one's own pathei mathos, essentially, the creation of Nexion. Our code of Sinister Honour stands in stark contrast to the dishonourable and un-numinous way of the Magian, who keep the mundane herd in thrall with deceitful memeplexes and the cultivation of Nazarene mediocrity. It is therefore the freedom and duty for the inheritors of homo galactica thin the herd through the dark deed of Culling. Aeonic change cannot be presenced by the occult games of Psuedo-Satanists-- make no mistake, the Septenary Path is full of genuine, Sinister danger."

Copy and paste this about 20 times, change some of the word order around, and you've got yourself an ONA blog.

Granted, what I like about Dan's work is that he gives a new spin on the typical ONA jive-- that he expands and elaborates on certain themes in his own words and experience, rather than just regurgitating Myatt-flavored word soup.

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but if you can't be intellectually honest enough to realize that all of the "Satanic" groups are the same way out there, we might as well close up shop and go home. CoS, ONA, Setians, CoC, et al are all saying the same thing. "WE ARE. Everything else isn't."


Pretty spot-on. I think that the most value is to be found in individuals who are not so caught up in the "group" trap. While there is nothing wrong with belonging to an order or studying under a specific school of thought, ultimately most people who do so eventually fall victim to herd mentality and groupthink. Some of the smartest people I've met were the most independent-- many belonged to a group, but always kept the trends and drama at arm's length.


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#60246 - 10/19/11 09:02 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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Actually Dan is right, I can't imagine encountering a CoS-er that disagreed with something Lavey said. And let's be serious, some things he said aren't that impressive but such are humans; there are no perfect versions.

In the ONA fan-base sure, you'll encounter the same sort but I still need to meet the first Niner that completely talks "Long". There's an agreement on the five core principles, which is a choice, nothing more, but besides that, there are no two alike. But that's the actual intention; work out that shit which works for you.

So I'm pretty sure all of us disagree with something Long said, or see it different but none of us would point the finger at another and yell: "BLASPHEMY!"

That's something I'd like to see happen in the CoS but frankly, I ain't got high hopes.


Btw: memes = Dawkins of Blackmore. I don't think it's Long's favorite word.






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#60247 - 10/19/11 09:36 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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@ Diavolo -

I was a member of the CofS from 1994-2010. I did not agree with some of the so called Satanic ' sins' and eleven rules of the earth. I joined mainly to show my respect for LaVey and to meet like minded individuals. Minnd you this was before the internet. The few people I met through the CofS were pretty much LaVeyan funddies. Not only did they have no individualism or unique thoughts,but they were arrogant,preachy douche bags. Kinda like Peter Gilmore.
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#60248 - 10/19/11 09:37 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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It might surprise some of you to learn many niners aren't Satanists at all, in fact we are quite few that take this chosen form. There is no regimentation, no uniformity, only, as D said, a resonance of essence, of the importance of honour, of the rottenness of the system we now inhabit, a shared affinity for the value of challenging and transgressing ones own perceived limits.

How we each go about doing that is often quit different, to the point that an outsider would see many mutually exclusive things going on at once. The loose kollective that is the ONA shares very little in common with structured and regimented organizations such as the ToS or CoS.

But my affiliation with those guys is here nor there with regards to what I have written here. I'm a big boy and come up with my own conclusions..which of course is why I would be a poor fit for the orgs mentioned above.

LaVey was antinomian, he DID, he created, he took what he could and synthesized his own way based on those that came before. I didn't know the man, but I would like to think he would have preferred those that did these things for themselves to carry the banner he put the light to, rather than those that would prostrate themselves before his grave.
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#60250 - 10/19/11 09:42 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Zach_Black]
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Zach:

Same can be said for any group.

I hope you don't find me that way as a "LaVeyan" Satanist, and believe me, there are a lot of others out here that simply don't behave that way either. Of course, we're no different than anyone else. We've found something that works FOR US. But most of us simply aren't the "meet and greet" social types, and for good reason.

There are some members of the ONA that I could sit down and have a beer with, when they drop the agenda. There are probably some Setians I could sit down and have a beer with, when they drop the agenda. There are some CoS members that I could sit down and have a beer with, when they drop the agenda...
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#60251 - 10/19/11 09:42 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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Yes, maybe LaVey was right or maybe LaVey was wrong or maybe this or maybe that about LaVey.

Shit, who cares. If LaVey doesn't work for you, or you don't resonate with his stuff then why would you care what he said or did not say?

Who cares what the CoS does or does not do. If you don't like them then just move on and do what you need to do.

No disrespect to ONA related cells and individuals, but all I ever seem to see is them claiming how they are going to kill the machine, or destroy the government etc. but none of them seem to have any idea what they are doing.

Produce the goods. Stop worrying about LaVey and CoS and get on with it. It's gonna take more than words and LaVey/CoS attacks to bring down the government or whatever.

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#60254 - 10/19/11 09:57 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Octavian]
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 Originally Posted By: Octavian
No disrespect to ONA related cells and individuals, but all I ever seem to see is them claiming how they are going to kill the machine, or destroy the government etc. but none of them seem to have any idea what they are doing.


It might be a surprise but I know pretty well what I'm doing; it's not that I run around like a headless chicken screaming "what to do, what to do!" Does this mean I'm killing the machine? Hell no, unless I find Kryptonite tomorrow.

But it's not because I look at society in a specific manner and realize I can't just change everything to my pleasing, I therefor have to surrender to the mass and accept things as they are. So you work at your level, in your environment and do the thing that works for you. There isn't even an idealistic drive beyond it because you'd be doing that shit anyways. Some are born to be at conflict and it is in this conflict they find their purpose and joy.

So you do what you can do where you have to do it. It's simple as that.

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#60258 - 10/19/11 10:54 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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Jake..I hope it's clear I am talking about the current day CoS, and those that flock along with it.

I certainly wouldn't put all that self describe as 'LaVeyan in that bag, yourself included among the ones I would not.
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#60259 - 10/19/11 11:11 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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Batman! Did somebody say "ONA"?!

I'm not a Satanist. Neither are any of my friends in our ONA group. In fact in many cases we attack and make fun of it. But it's a Useful Form ((the Rational variety at least)). Satanism actually isn't even listed as one of the 5 core things that makes ONA, ONA.

Anton Long and/or Myatt never once - AFAIK - has ever used the word "meme" at any time. A specific ONA nexion started using that word and its derivatives around 3 years ago. In fact the one who started using that word, started using it here at the 600 C.

Taking down some state is not an ONA raison d'etre. The Myattian term "Galactic Imperium/Empire," the word "Dhar" ((al-islam)) as it is used in one of the ONA questions of an adept, and the Longian phrase "a New Type of Civilization" in no ways says that some nation is to be destroyed. It would actually imply the actual Creation of something. Anton Long in some ONA MSS goes so far as to state that taking down some state or government is not a goal of the ONA. He goes so far as to state over and over again that the ONA qua ONA has no official stance on anything, which includes politics, religion, and taking down a country. The Sinister Dialectic is the Plumb Line which does not state that destroying a Nation-State or government is its end objective.

Before we start ONA MSS bible thumping and quoting our Myatt and Long Holy Passages, let's keep in mind that AL and the Old Guards and many nexions deliberately flood ONA with documents and writings that specifically contradict other ONA MSS. For every ONA "scrpiture" you can find supporting one thing, there is one to contradict and cancel it. ONA is an Oral Tradition. You really need to know people and be "a friend of a friend" and get IT from them, otherwise, depending on what has been written, you will get lost in a big maze.

Most anti-state rhetoric are old residual MSS dating from a Phase 1.0 or Phase 2.0 of the ONA when groups like C18 and friends were trying spark RAHOWA or Helter Skelter in England, as a means to take down the UK government and create an all White nation. C18 is not ONA. There may have been cross over membership, and they may have shared Myatt as a central figure, and Myatt may have back then been all gung hoe about RAHOWA; but what shit when down in those 90's with C18, is not an objective of the ONA.

ONA and or Myatt via his Numinous Way, simply points out that a State is distant and not numinous, because perhaps of its Magian Ethos. Myatt goes so far as to state over and over again that any State/Nation is in the Numinous sense, immoral; suggesting that one's dependence and awareness be removed from that distant state down to a Numinous level of your own sphere of life and the people, family, and friends in your sphere. In ONA proper and The Numinous Way, the actual goal - which nobody considers - is the creation of a new culture and way of life more natural to humans in the form of extended families, clans, and tribes... which takes causal time to manifest.


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#60265 - 10/20/11 02:10 AM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Caladrius]
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‘In ONA proper and The Numinous Way, the actual goal - which nobody considers - is the creation of a new culture and way of life more natural to humans in the form of extended families, clans, and tribes... which takes causal time to manifest.’

I like this quote – thanks. How do you bring about this new culture, this new tribal living into existence? Who or what is replaced so it can be brought into existence?

Maybe we should start talking about the video again?

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#60272 - 10/20/11 05:47 AM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Octavian]
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Octavian, you figure out what you want the culture you want to see and build it, live your life in that manner. If it's sustainable, others will pick up your example.

I wasn't given a choice of what system I was born into. The one I have been handed forces dependance on it for the three basics o lufe (food, water and shelter). Most people can't procure those things for themselves.

I am actively pursuing learning how to do those things for myself. While I am learning these things, my children are to. This creates a culture of personal responsibility, as opposed to dependance.
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#60300 - 10/20/11 03:33 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Octavian]
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 Originally Posted By: Octavian
‘In ONA proper and The Numinous Way, the actual goal - which nobody considers - is the creation of a new culture and way of life more natural to humans in the form of extended families, clans, and tribes... which takes causal time to manifest.’

I like this quote – thanks. How do you bring about this new culture, this new tribal living into existence? Who or what is replaced so it can be brought into existence?

Maybe we should start talking about the video again?


Actually it isn't hard to realize how you can bring such a culture into existence. This culture appears where people interact in such a fashion. What you do is look for your kind and apply the principles you stand for while interacting with them. If they do the same, which is if they're your kind, you're slowly creating such a tribal culture.

Mind you, this doesn't imply you treat anyone in such a fashion. I generally treat people as they treat themselves; if they have no self-respect, who am I to treat them differently then?

Do unto others as they do unto themselves.


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#60303 - 10/20/11 05:30 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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That's great what you say about culture. Why then would you concern yourself with what others do?

You have a view about CoS/LaVey and you have put it time and time again. What do you hope to gain by putting it again?

Why not just drop it and just forge ahead in whatever way seems best to you. You don't like this video, or CoS then ignore them and get on with it. That's the point I'm trying to make here.

Most of the people I have met on the internet just rally around something or someone, such as LaVey, or Aquino, or ONA.

I don't think either Anton LaVey or Michael Aquino or Long would ever want blind followers. Those guys would give their followers the bums rush or a good kick in the ass.

No, I am going to walk my own path and not waste precious time attacking any of these people or blindly following any of them either.

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#60304 - 10/20/11 06:00 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Octavian]
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So you are what, the etiquette police? I really don't get this sickening air of egalitarianism and ' live and let live' that has become prevalent among an ever growing amount of would-bes. It is perhaps this very phenomenon that drives some, those that live and breath this shit, to voice their opinions on the matter?

As far as what you think on the subject, I don't think you have really earned the right to expect anyone to give a shit just yet.
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#60315 - 10/20/11 11:22 PM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Octavian]
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Excuse me but I don't think I made any comment regarding this video and neither did I specify any criticism regarding Lavey, so what's the problem?

I think all I explained was my ideas about putting a tribal culture into practice. You are not forced to agree with it and I don't mind sharing some words about any criticism you have but what you're replying here got little to do with it not?

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#72103 - 10/22/12 09:40 AM Re: Philosophy of the Church of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Slaughter's passion carries this speech. LaVeyan Satanism seems to manifest these days as somewhat of a closed system, but I do like hearing a bit of vigor from one of its practitioners. Slaughter clearly lives what he speaks. Worth an AM listen. I feel he did rise above the usual talking points. Must be a damn good MC.
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