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#60473 - 10/26/11 09:39 PM Outside of humanity, do you hate the world?
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People blame other humans for most of the world's problems. Perhaps because humans are easier to influence than, for instance, gravity.

I hate diseases. I hate pain. Hell, I even hate work. The way the world works kind of sucks. Deal with it, right? But what I want to know is if you hate the system of which the universe operates. Do you hate the game and hate the rules of the physical universe? I want to know if you feel anger towards something that you can't do jack shit about.

This concept entails that there is no justice in the universe - that you have to make your own until you are satisfied and move onto something else. Does declaring "I win" make the world acceptable for three seconds? If there is no justice, is it your inherent job to slay the dragons that oppose you?

From a metaphysical standpoint, ponder the following. Even if you don't believe in Satan as a personified deity, you might consider what would make Satan proud. If Satan was the creator of the universe, and you hated it and you admitted it, would he be insulted? Such contempt is somewhat inappropriate for creator religions and even more so for nature religions. For Satanism, I think not. It is what it is.

My suspicion is that if humans ever agreed enough to work together, the common enemy would be nature. The attitude of the transhumanist philosophy is that we should take on the world via invention - an extension of ourselves. If everyone got along, we still wouldn't be happy, because tragedy in the universe would remain.

It sort of puts a dent in our pride. We will always lose in the end. For all the value of being your own god, or being superman, we remain inferior to the ideals we can only imagine. This doesn't have to humble us. We can retaliate, and at least enjoy the indulging of anger.

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#60474 - 10/26/11 09:45 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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Not at all. I find the adversarial nature of life, the will to power, the struggle, the carnage, disease, death, the food chain, unmatchably beautiful. It is the current to bury these things, shield us from them, demonize them, that I find distasteful.
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#60476 - 10/26/11 10:15 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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That's exactly what I needed to hear. It resonates with feelings I've had - the appeal of these demonized things.

I like being mad about the fucking snow.

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#60479 - 10/27/11 07:36 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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Nope. My hatred is generally reserved for people only. I can't "hate" natural disasters, sickness, weather or really anything else. Either it is a part of nature or of my own doing. Hating something I've done is un-productive. Regretting it and making sure I don't make the same mistake is completely different from simply hating it.

Hating something I have no control over is a complete waste of my emotional resources. Whatever happens, happens.
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#60481 - 10/27/11 09:19 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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 Originally Posted By: Tropix
I hate diseases. I hate pain. Hell, I even hate work. The way the world works kind of sucks. Deal with it, right? But what I want to know is if you hate the system of which the universe operates. Do you hate the game and hate the rules of the physical universe? I want to know if you feel anger towards something that you can't do jack shit about.


These are coming of age thoughts. Back when God, virtue, and sin shaped how I saw the world, the universe was a mystery beyond grasp. There was a prevailing sense that faith helped and kept from the "truth". Embracing the dualities of nature changes that for some reason. Things are no longer a great mystery or misery and life opens up somewhat.

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This concept entails that there is no justice in the universe - that you have to make your own until you are satisfied and move onto something else. Does declaring "I win" make the world acceptable for three seconds? If there is no justice, is it your inherent job to slay the dragons that oppose you?


The aspects of justice represented in nature are duality and balance. The world isn't entirely "unjust", think how unjust it could be but isn't. Justice is a social construct, so ultimately you do take justice in your own hands.

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From a metaphysical standpoint, ponder the following. Even if you don't believe in Satan as a personified deity


No such thing

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you might consider what would make Satan proud. If Satan was the creator of the universe, and you hated it and you admitted it, would he be insulted? Such contempt is somewhat inappropriate for creator religions and even more so for nature religions. For Satanism, I think not. It is what it is.


Why would you be interested in making Satan proud? Why would you care whether Satan was insulted by your thoughts anyway? Satanism is not a religion in the traditional sense, it takes a fundamental change in perspective to understand why. Neither Satan nor God exist. It boils down to semantics.

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My suspicion is that if humans ever agreed enough to work together, the common enemy would be nature.


Man has always feared or revered nature.

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The attitude of the transhumanist philosophy is that we should take on the world via invention - an extension of ourselves. If everyone got along, we still wouldn't be happy, because tragedy in the universe would remain.


Consider that happiness only exists because sadness exists. How can you have one without the other, it's nonsense. You have both or you have none.

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It sort of puts a dent in our pride. We will always lose in the end. For all the value of being your own god, or being superman, we remain inferior to the ideals we can only imagine. This doesn't have to humble us. We can retaliate, and at least enjoy the indulging of anger.


We will always loose in the end, but not without having won plenty. You can see the glass half empty or half full. What is winning without loss? What is life without death?


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#60482 - 10/27/11 09:21 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Nemesis]
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It's interesting that hate can be thought of as an emotional resource (exhaustible or accountable to productivity), but also as something to indulge in. Or is that confusing hate with anger?

If it is unproductive to hate the weather, is it unproductive to love the weather? Why is hate unproductive when fighting a disease, but productive when confronting the actions of a human? Does hate have to be felt by the thing hated?

If I hate a politician, I can tell them I hate them by doing something that lets them know they are hated. I can also objectively explain to them the error in their actions. When viewed deterministically, every human action is reduced to a subtle ignorance. It didn't occur to a person to think about something. A problem with another human can be approached with or without anger and with or without hate. What makes hate good toward humans?

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#60483 - 10/27/11 09:23 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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 Originally Posted By: Tropix
But what I want to know is if you hate the system of which the universe operates. Do you hate the game and hate the rules of the physical universe?

No, I do not hate the system of which the universe operates. Quite on the contrary, I love it, and I find it endlessly fascinating. I like the thought of being a part of it; the thought that every atom which constitutes the physical me is, always have been and always will be a part of the universe.

 Originally Posted By: Tropix
This concept entails that there is no justice in the universe - that you have to make your own until you are satisfied and move onto something else. Does declaring "I win" make the world acceptable for three seconds? If there is no justice, is it your inherent job to slay the dragons that oppose you?

I don't consider it a fight that I can win, because there is no fight and no dragons opposing me. I make the best of what I am and I do what I want. I enjoy my hobbies, I enjoy seeking knowledge and I enjoy the emotional ups and downs that come with my life and the things that I learn from them. I have come to an acceptance of the fact that all of this is, objectively speaking, fundamentally meaningless. However, it has a subjective meaning to me and that is all that matters. Therefore, I feel no anger.

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#60538 - 10/28/11 10:44 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Vinter]
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Do I hate the world? No, not at all. I'm not keen on a lot of its two-legged inhabitants and their antics but that's not what the OP asked.

I find everything that goes on on this planet fascinating - animal and plant life, the stars and seas and the whole astonishing diversity of "stuff" that is alive here.

My personal situation allows me to take my time paying heed to whatever takes my interest and, in that, I am aware of being enormously privileged.

So, in short, no I don't hate the world but then I have gained sufficient mastery of my own universe to have it glide along in the groove with the wider one.
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#60560 - 10/29/11 10:09 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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I don't "get it". Most people I have known who hate everything are blamers. People who feel they are somehow infallable, that things are being done to them. These types tend to eshew all personal responsibility in favor of a victim mentality.

I am not saying OP is that type, by the way. I simply don't find the concept of hating everything something that corresponds with personal responsibilty of self sovreignty.
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#60575 - 10/29/11 02:53 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: FemaleSatan]
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I dislike/hate people in mass. Until proven wrong, I consider most people idiots.

That has nothing to do with a victim mentality, it is based on lots of personal experiences.

Nature in itself is nothing to hate, it just is.

You can not control nature or people, you just control your responses to them.

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#60578 - 10/29/11 03:43 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Morgan]
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I see what you mean Morgan. I'm not a huge fan of humanity in general myself. I tend to start at neutral with others and than get kicked in the teeth by them 99.9% of the time.

I was more referring to the I hate everything and everyone types.
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#60671 - 10/31/11 03:21 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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I don't see a reason to hate nature or mankind.
My hatred is reserved for those specific situations and occurances when it simply gets to much of a stress to handle with.

I find it a waste of energy pointing at all things which should evoke feelings of discomfort/dislike and link them with hatred. Shit tends to happen, having discomfort or a dislike of it and calling it hatred is just something that happens.

Besides, it is no hate unless a life-long and violent grudge is involved. All other things are simply discomfort of/or a disliking.
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#60673 - 10/31/11 03:40 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Dimitri]
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Although hate can have its functions in given situations, it blinds the perception and expression of logic (as does love).

With that said, I hate infrequently and never bother to love finite things so much I cannot see them destroyed.

Furthermore, if I have to pick an emotion to describe how I feel about the majority of human life, I pick disgust and then apathy.

As for nature? Apathy.
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#60831 - 11/02/11 07:36 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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Well, you know, I have managed to read a lot of different things from different people.

I was reading something that the dalai lama was talking about once that took some time for me to understand but eventually I did manage to understand it. He was talking about the benefits of the pain in our lives. In this case we may hate the world and expect that to be so damn depressing. Everything and everybody is so very terrible and we just can't help but cut ourselves or worse; die.

It happens. But I don't see it like that now. Yes I hate the world but, as I said, why is that a bad thing? I have met some beautiful people that I would not have met otherwise if this world was not as it clearly is. If the world was so much better then my life would be shit, I would have had nothing to overcome and nothing to learn from. I would be stupid and weak.

Some people wish to give hugs, they wish to kiss and love. They spread their adoration to everything around them because they believe contempt itself to be evil. Is it? Without death, how would we learn to cling to life as we do? Without pain, how would we know to appreciate what pleasure we manage to find? I don't spread pleasure, and I don't seek to immeasurably extend life. I seek the opposite. I seek death, I seek pain. I seek torment because it made me into the beautiful person I am today and there is still so much more to do.

Think about it. \:\)

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#60903 - 11/02/11 10:38 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: halfchaos]
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halfchaos,
You're not a beautiful person, you're as human as the rest of us. Seeking pain and torment ...masochism. Pain doesn't benefit us unless we enjoy it. Seeking Death......clinical depression.

original question...I do hate some individuals, political systems, religious schools of thought, etc...but the World in which I live is much bigger than all that bullshit. I love the physical world and being in it.
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#60952 - 11/03/11 01:22 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: RAIDER]
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Pain is not beautiful or a challenge to our strength of character. True pain is vile and life-denying and unwanted.

I'm talking about real pain here - not the fun kind of having your arse smacked or your nipples twisted by a trusted sadist. I mean the kind of pain caused by seeing a pet beaten to death in front of you or being disfigured by some idiot with a knife out on a random slashing spree.

There is enough unexpected pain around without wishing it on oneself or going out looking for it. Some people may claim to have learned something from physical or mental distress, and that's a good way of dealing with its impact. But in and of itself pain is just what it is and not beneficial to a life-affirming philosophy such as Satanism.
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#61275 - 11/09/11 02:42 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: felixgarnet]
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I'm often attracted to an extreme form of Gnosticism according to which this universe is an evil, abhorrent place which shouldn't even exist. In this dark religion, death is a kind of Nirvana and destruction of the evil universe a religious duty. One could even imagine a whole civilization dedicated to increasing its "intricacy, organization and power" (to quote the Lucifer Principle) for the purpose of enhancing its destructive capacity. I would be interested in examples of such dark religions and cults in history, if anyone knows of any.
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#61277 - 11/09/11 04:17 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Sorcerer]
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"One could even imagine a whole civilization dedicated to increasing its "intricacy, organization and power" (to quote the Lucifer Principle) for the purpose of enhancing its destructive capacity. I would be interested in examples of such dark religions and cults in history, if anyone knows of any."

The Inquisition.
The Vatican in Rome.
The United States.
Soviet Russia.

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#61297 - 11/11/11 06:38 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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the reason why mankind chooses to declare war on itself and not mother nature is no mystery. It comes down to control humans control their actions gravity as a force does not. In other words things like electromagnetism or the effect of gravity work not because they have a choice and can not be blamed for the failures of man.
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#61300 - 11/11/11 09:36 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Meph9]
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 Originally Posted By: Meph9
It comes down to control humans control their actions gravity as a force does not.

True, but at the same time one can ask oneself if that makes it any more rational to hate humans than to hate nature itself. Humans are after all a part of nature, and even though one might regret acknowledging this as a fact, we too are bound by our human nature. The nature of human nature is of course a highly debatable subject, but our relatively short history here on earth leaves us just as much reason for regret as it does for pride - if not more.

Now when I think about it, I can see why such thoughts might lead some to hate humanity. After all, aren't humans the only species capable of exercising maliciousness towards fellow humans and other species? By this I mean

1. A desire to harm others or to see others suffer; extreme ill will or spite.

2. Law The intent, without just cause or reason, to commit a wrongful act that will result in harm to another.

I here interpret the phrases "without just cause or reason" and "wrongful" as an unprovoked act and/or a disproportionate response. This is something that has been exercised by countless humans all throughout our history, but do you think it is an exclusively human trait, or just an implication of our intelligence?

It is the intent of the act I'm referring to, not it's moral nature whatever you may think of that.

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#61306 - 11/11/11 07:12 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Vinter]
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Actually no, the same behavior can be witnessed in our relatives the Chimpanzees. They also murder and maim quite well. Other monkeys display behavior that reminds us very much of cheating; making fake "warning" sounds that startles the group and makes them seek for a safe spot while the cheater grabs the goodies.

There's little uniquely human in our behavior although we specialized quite good in some.

The gravitational force we obey to however is Will to Power. There is no escape although a redirection is possible.

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#61307 - 11/11/11 07:17 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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I often contemplate why the structures of things are as they are; why life must sustain itself through bringing death to something else? Why are decay and death necessary? Are they? The truth is we are no closer to understanding the why of metaphysical laws than we ever have been. Do I like the product of those laws? Sometimes.

It's extremely difficult not to look out on the bleak Yorkshire moors, attacked by wind and rain, and not be deeply in love with the passion and strength of nature, the physical embodiment of those metaphysical laws. It's also difficult not to feel something truly upsetting when a happy seal is rocked from its den, bitten until weakened and then dragged down into the icy water to be drowned.

While I strongly encourage investigation into the "grand scheme" of the universe, the conclusion I have arrived at on this question is that agnosticism is the only real option. However, while our life may operate within that scheme it does not mean we need be at the mercy of it. The human ability to construct a personal life of beauty and adventure raises another very interesting question; does the human freedom to create imply that we may not necessarily be subject to the "way things are" after all?


Edited by PrinceOfBabalon (11/11/11 07:18 PM)
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#61316 - 11/12/11 02:36 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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 Originally Posted By: Tropix
People blame other humans for most of the world's problems. Perhaps because humans are easier to influence than, for instance, gravity.


Humans do fuck up everything they get their hands on...

 Originally Posted By: Tropix
I hate diseases. I hate pain. Hell, I even hate work.


Such a waste of an emotion. To HATE something means you have to dedicate so much energy and time towards getting to know it, why it's there, and it can be consuming in and of itself.

 Originally Posted By: Tropix
But what I want to know is if you hate the system of which the universe operates.


No. I think the Universe is wonderful, beautiful, and I could not begin to understand it's creation or evolution.

 Originally Posted By: Tropix
Do you hate the game and hate the rules of the physical universe?


I answered this above briefly, but to ignore the Universe and dismiss it all on "one gods creation" is a tragedy.

 Originally Posted By: Tropix
I want to know if you feel anger towards something that you can't do jack shit about.


This is a dumbass question. Only people who are wound up tight and control freaks might fit in there.

 Originally Posted By: Tropix
This concept entails that there is no justice in the universe - that you have to make your own until you are satisfied and move onto something else. Does declaring "I win" make the world acceptable for three seconds? If there is no justice, is it your inherent job to slay the dragons that oppose you?

From a metaphysical standpoint, ponder the following. Even if you don't believe in Satan as a personified deity, you might consider what would make Satan proud. If Satan was the creator of the universe, and you hated it and you admitted it, would he be insulted? Such contempt is somewhat inappropriate for creator religions and even more so for nature religions. For Satanism, I think not. It is what it is.

My suspicion is that if humans ever agreed enough to work together, the common enemy would be nature. The attitude of the transhumanist philosophy is that we should take on the world via invention - an extension of ourselves. If everyone got along, we still wouldn't be happy, because tragedy in the universe would remain.

It sort of puts a dent in our pride. We will always lose in the end. For all the value of being your own god, or being superman, we remain inferior to the ideals we can only imagine. This doesn't have to humble us. We can retaliate, and at least enjoy the indulging of anger.


The rest is mumbo jumbo bullshit.
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#70493 - 08/24/12 11:42 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: RAIDER]
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Certainly not. I love the brutal perfection I see in the natural world. I love the dirt, the harvest, the animals, the crop, Oceans, Mountains, Sky, all of it. There is no "good or evil" to be found in the state of nature. It simply is. I find it vicious and beautiful.

PS: As a note, I don't know that hating humanity is applicable to me. Elements of human nature can create obstacles for me, but I don't hate the totality of humanity.


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#73444 - 12/02/12 01:13 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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This is and isn't a hard question for me to answer. If you would have asked this to me when I was younger I would have answered with a heated yes. (On bad days, I would probably say yes too.)

However, hatred is so time and energy consuming that I rarely ever say I "hate" anything. I find that it's much easier to be indifferent to things of my disliking. However, even I have my days when I fly off the handle.

Furthermore, when it comes to nature. It really is just what it is. In the past year, I have questioned it. I've really questioned a lot things. Yesterday, while obtaining what felt like a violent kick in the gut, I questioned the ways of nature and the "justice" of nature.. but nature has no justice. It just is.

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If everyone got along, we still wouldn't be happy, because tragedy in the universe would remain.


Existentialists believe that the idea of a completely happy and successful life is almost a joke. We CAN'T be fully happy and actually achieve anything because it is our grievances with the world that motivates us. Truly that is bittersweet. It is merely human nature to be unhappy or have some sort of attachment to unhappiness, then, if that is what motivates us in the long run.

If this is the case, the ideal Utopian society of Kum by ya is just going to have to wait and is actually unproductive in the life of even your average Joe Shmoe.

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It sort of puts a dent in our pride. We will always lose in the end.


I don't see how accepting something that is productive in our lives puts a dent in our pride. None of us have claimed that being completely happy/perfect is something that can obtained forever.

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This doesn't have to humble us. We can retaliate, and at least enjoy the indulging of anger.


I disagree. I think we should be humbled by this. If you count going after what you need/want with the items in your toolbin as a retaliation at the world and the working system of it, I think you are taking on a war you will never win. We work WITH nature, we are a PART of it all.. bumps, scratches and flaws included.

There is no need to retaliate against something that isn't actually working against your favor.
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#73517 - 12/03/12 09:46 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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It is merely human nature to be unhappy or have some sort of attachment to unhappiness, then, if that is what motivates us in the long run.


I think this is partially correct, but I think the nature of humans is not so much that it's our nature to be unhappy, but that we have been programmed throughout the millenia to overcome and conquer and, due to our current level of relative comfort, we really don't have much that meets this biological need within us anymore.

Maybe this is why middle class kids often feel the most disenfranchised.

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...hatred is so time and energy consuming...


My husband used to say that when he'd catch me saying that I hated someone or some thing. I explained to him that I see the very act of stating it to be less like a focus of energy and more like a valve on a pressure cooker, releasing the nonproductive energies that can be created by dwelling on frustration. "Goddammit! I hate stupid drivers!" There. It's over.

And since then, I've caught him verbalizing hatred for things as well. I think anger/hatred can be productive or counterproductive and it simply depends on how you handle it (much like all other emotion). It's a natural, knee-jerk reaction to some things, however, and being able to either harness it or let it go is key. When any emotion - positive or negative, actually - has a chance to overwhelm you, that's when the trouble starts because then logic flies out the window.

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but nature has no justice. It just is.


This seems to be a very difficult concept for most people to assimilate. Some things "just are". It's a frustration for myself at times as well, although I think that my personality makes it easier for me to live with it. I learned a long time ago, for example, that you can't change how an individual is. You either have to accept it and move on (or work around it, in some instances), or you will drive yourself crazy trying to rationalize all the irrational decisions in the world around you.

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...Kum by ya...


"Kumbaya" means "Come by here".

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the ideal Utopian society...is just going to have to wait and is actually unproductive


I basically agree with this, but that's because I love the adventure of life, and my life gives me plenty to overcome and conquer every day. Ergo, I feel fulfilled; like I have accomplished something major, every day.

To Tropix:

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It sort of puts a dent in our pride. We will always lose in the end. For all the value of being your own god, or being superman, we remain inferior to the ideals we can only imagine. This doesn't have to humble us. We can retaliate, and at least enjoy the indulging of anger.


"We will always lose in the end" is a very defeatist attitude. You have already lost, no matter what end you come to.

Sitting around being pissed off at the world all the time is not an indulgence, it's a crutch for a cripple.

Is it death that pisses you off? Is that the "loss" we always experience in the "end"? From where I'm standing, every day is a win and the shitty part is that I eventually have to stop living so I can die. I'm really fucking fond of living; it's fun. I'm not going to focus on that, however. If you spend your life focusing on the shitty part where you have to die, you're going to miss out on the adventure of now.


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#73528 - 12/03/12 10:35 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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I think anger/hatred can be productive or counterproductive and it simply depends on how you handle it (much like all other emotion). It's a natural, knee-jerk reaction to some things, however, and being able to either harness it or let it go is key.


Most definitely. When I was younger my anger level reached destructive heights. I would easily, and without conscious, destroy everything around me. I just couldn't get a handle on it. I still have days where it surprises me that I don't lose much more in my fits of rage. However, as I matured, I learned how to get a grip on these things and use them to my advantage and what used to be such a crippling weakness for me, is now one of my greatest and beloved traits.

I'm known for my anger but not in a bad way anymore.

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This seems to be a very difficult concept for most people to assimilate. Some things "just are".


I think the reason for it is the never answered question of "why?". We go through all sorts of things trying to figure out the inner workings of the things that we don't understand. There are times that I want so badly to shoot back all the things in my life that I've been "denied" and others have gotten although "unworthy". I just can't make those decisions for nature; something so much larger than I am.

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"Kumbaya" means "Come by here".


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#73538 - 12/03/12 01:31 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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I don't hate the world at all these days.

But that was a different story when I was a kid, all the way up to my young adult years. I did hate the world and many of the people in it--including my own father. However, over the years I've come to realize that I probably didn't actually hate them or the world, really, it was more that I hated myself but I couldn't differentiate from that at the time.

I did have an issue with anger and hatred toward things that I couldn't do jack shit about, but these days it is not much of an issue for me. I can see how hatred might occasionally be productive, but in my experience--for me--it was not. Hate was sometimes misdirected, sometimes inflicted on myself. It served me no purpose, did me no good.

I am reminded of my parents. They are both, especially my Dad, completely devastated and upset to the point of non-activity that Obama got re-elected. They honestly think the world as we know it is going to end. They both hate the President with all their might, but all that does is reduce their already-ailing health and keep them holed up in a tiny world of hate and resentment. It is easy to laugh at that situation but I find it incredibly sad. Here, their overblown view of politics is destroying their own vitality and life. They have surrendered to their hate and do not see a life or a world outside of it.

I have read many times before, seen it many times before, and even felt it many times before that hate feeds on itself and its host. There is pain and disappointment and disease everywhere. There is not much to be done about it, but I have to say--I prefer that it is there. Without it, we would not be able to know what we have for ourselves is mostly good. I'd imagine that discontent would be even greater if everything in this world was 'perfect'.

Now, if there is something that is invoking hate in me, I will do what I can to resolve it or let it go. Like I said, I can understand how some people might find hate/anger to be productive in life, but if you have truly felt hatred breed inside you for many years, you will know that it is not productive to your own personal happiness.

Since my own personal goal in life now is to be happy, I do what I can to resolve anger and hate within me if I find it is messing with my psyche and happiness like it used to.

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#73547 - 12/03/12 07:43 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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I would have to agree with Peanuts' Lucy van Pelt:

 Originally Posted By: Lucy
I love humanity; it's people I can't stand!

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#73818 - 12/21/12 05:21 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: anthonyaguirre01]
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A soul so cheaply sold is not worth the cost to buy.

And I dare state that if you "loved yourself", you would not be looking to foist your life upon someone else in an effort to take the lazy way out.

Why are you waiting around for ANYONE to make a decision for you, or to set you on a path? Are you lazy? Are you ignorant? YOU are responsible for you. You have no self control? Well there's the root of all your troubles. Train yourself to be in control of yourself and you will be master of your life.

Your goals of money, love, and power are vague and unattainable. You will never be satisfied because there will always be someone out there with more money, better relationships, and wielding more power. If you want to truly feel like your life has meaning, then you need to look at yourself objectively and start fixing your flaws. Along the way, you will find a specific area of expertise that you have, or you will find something concrete and attainable that you can work towards. Vague, unattainable goals are the carrot in the face of the masses to keep them slaving away for the people who know what they want in life and are charging forward to it while other people clean their toilets and mop their floors.




I deleted the bs posts that anthonyaguirre01 posted... M


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#73823 - 12/21/12 05:31 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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hold on, selling your soul is the lazy way out?
what about when You have worked hard, earn your degree, tried different avenues of attempting success? Believe me by all means, I am not lazy, and I actually work very hard. And I do love myself to the point of wanting better for myself.

now, what about this training of being a master in my life? what is that all about? Please elaborate on this

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#73837 - 12/21/12 06:42 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: RAIDER]
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Hate is a counterproductive idea in a person's mind that if not addressed can lead to frustration and anger which are unproductive feelings. It is not good having hate especially if you're a person who holds everything inside of you (little expression of emotion). What ends up happening is the accumulation of gall stones or some other health malady because the anger from hatred is not being vented and crystallizing in other forms in your body.

The best way of applying hatred is to a behavior and not the actual person. A person is made of different facets in which he could exhibit one behavior you like at one moment and a behavior you hate at another moment. So it is not good to hate people. Just hate their actions.

In addition, if there is hate for a person, reprogram your mind to think good about a person by talking positive about this person in your mind. Hatred towards another is never good.


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#73840 - 12/21/12 07:28 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: anthonyaguirre01]
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hold on, selling your soul is the lazy way out?


I did not stutter.

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what about when You have worked hard, earn your degree, tried different avenues of attempting success?


What about it? Apparently you are trying the WRONG avenues. As I have said in the past, Stephen Hawking can't even wipe his own ass and he's made a success of himself.

The term "worked hard" is purely subjective. I moved out when I was in high school. I got an apartment by myself and worked third shift and attended high school. I had no car so I also walked the 4 mile round trip to school and the 6.5 round trip to work. I didn't consider it working hard but many people have expressed astonishment that I was able to "accomplish so much".

It's perspective. I say that the fireman who answers one call to an apartment building works harder in a few hours than the accountant who puts in overtime.

What's the bottom line? What does the situation call for? What are you willing to give to realize what you want out of your life? Those are valid questions. If you're dedicated and motivated, then it doesn't seem like work at all to achieve your goals.

Putting in hours at a job does not equal working hard on bettering your life.

I once worked in customer service. That seemed like hell mixed with work mixed with torture. They finally fired me for attempting to give one customer too many the what-for.

No matter how much effort I put into *that*, I was never going to be a shift manager. Eating shit for a living is not my "thing".

I don't care how hard you think you work. If you have nothing to show at the end of the day and you have not made any progress towards a workable goal, you haven't done shit.

I have wanted to be where I am right now my entire life. I didn't wait around for someone to hand it to me. I started studying all the relevant topics when I was still a kid. By the time I had an opportunity to seize, I was already mentally and physically prepared to move on it. It is safe to say that I spent my entire life working towards this goal; building on each step as it was accomplished.

And this ties into your final round of questions:

My entire life has been one of self-examination, auditing of self, surroundings, and goals, and making adjustments where needed. If I lack the confidence in myself to move on, I give myself a goal that improves my confidence (survivalist style). If I lack knowledge of what will be an important aspect of the life I wish to achieve, I begin educating myself. If I lack motivation...well I rarely lack motivation so I allow myself those moments of getting drunk or fucking off instead of working towards my goals.

And another thing that shapes whether you are or are not a success is what standards you use to measure yourself. You say you want, "money, love, and power", but who sets the standard for that? I could rightfully argue that I have money, love and power because I earn enough to do the things that interest me, I am loved by those whose opinions matter to me, and I have the power of God to about a hundred lives. I'm a success because I measure myself against myself. I'd be a failure, I'm sure, if compared to Gates or Hawking or even Graham. But their opinion doesn't matter to me.

I'm a success in that I've technically achieved what I set out to do. All my shit is paid for and I'm far away from everyone else and I'm very self-sufficient. So now I busy myself with improving on my surroundings and ensuring that I leave something behind besides a good looking corpse. I want to build a house. I'm not going to wait for the economy to improve and I'm not going to wait until I've saved the money for a contractor. I'm going to look around me and assess my situation. I'm going to start acquiring building materials as I educate myself on things I need to learn. I'm going to take stock of my assets and resources and determine how much capital I have to work with when I'm ready.

And before you know it, I'm sitting in my dream house. Will you still be waiting for someone to hand your destiny to you?

PS: I have 17 certifications. NONE of them helped me get where I am.



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#73844 - 12/21/12 07:56 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Le Deluge]
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Earth is something you can't hate. How can you possibly hate the soil and its good fruits. How can you possibly hate plants that give you back oxygen in exchange for your carbon dioxide. You could have not put it in better words. Actions of humans should be the only objects of hate not the human itself. Why? Because humans can be very loveable at one point and very hated at other points. So there is good and bad qualities in all of us. To hate a human is to also hate his good and bad qualities. And this is frivolous. Thus, it is good to hate human actions that lead to destruction or something negative. But let's not hate humans.

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#73845 - 12/21/12 08:02 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Wow, I read all your reply. Thank you for the deep insightful sharing of your experiences and thoughts. Reading what you have to say motivate me to start depending more on myself. you are so right, degrees sometimes don't mean jack. Congratulations on your efforts towards building your own house.
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#73880 - 12/22/12 12:24 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: anthonyaguirre01]
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The guy might have been kicked out but still a few points I want to comment on.

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what about when You have worked hard, earn your degree, tried different avenues of attempting success? Believe me by all means, I am not lazy, and I actually work very hard. And I do love myself to the point of wanting better for myself.

The only excuse and reward of hard work is not being called lazy. It doesn't prevent being labeled as stupid. Anyone can work hard, not everyone can work hard and smart (or even smart for that matter..)

It's always worthwhile attempting to see where the dislike stems from. But on the other hand, certain people just invoke feelings of malcontent.

As for the OT; Do I hate the world?
Nope, but there are a number of people it can do without.
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#73891 - 12/23/12 05:23 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: RAIDER]
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Honestly people. If I could push a button and randomly kill 50% of the human race I would. Even if that meant myself. And my loved ones. I think I would be doing humanity a big favor.
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#73892 - 12/24/12 05:12 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Zach_Black]
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 Originally Posted By: Zach_Black
Honestly people. If I could push a button and randomly kill 50% of the human race I would. Even if that meant myself. And my loved ones. I think I would be doing humanity a big favor.


That's a very odd form of Satanism you are following, is it some new fangled type I've not come across? Surely the starting point for Satanism is the question "is there any point to the Universe without me in it". I'm certainly not here to do humanity a favour, big or otherwise.
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#73906 - 12/25/12 12:37 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Zach_Black]
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 Originally Posted By: Zach_Black
Honestly people. If I could push a button and randomly kill 50% of the human race I would. Even if that meant myself. And my loved ones. I think I would be doing humanity a big favor.


A bit of direct or indirect martyrdom for Xmas. In all probability, you and/or a number of people close to you would die for this "random" reduction in population. I don't believe it would "help humanity". A willingness to possibly sacrifice one's self and/or one's loved ones for it? Dunno. I would take the opposite view. I'd save me and mine first, 3 or 6 billion others are irrelevant after that point. There are causes I would fight for, I don't believe the aggregate number of humans would be one.

PS: Odd day to see this sentiment, I'll grant it that


Edited by Le Deluge (12/25/12 12:47 PM)
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#73919 - 12/25/12 11:52 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Le Deluge]
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No no no, Flood, let him do it.

What would we be missing, really? Some gay pride rally would have to march without him?

Maybe we could check his tombstone and finally settle the debate on whether or not his name has an L in it.

Seriously, I'm a huge fan of suicide. If someone wants to end it all, let them have at it. It'll probably save us a lot of tax dollars in the long run.

And all those people who say that the world is grossly overpopulated and give parents hell for having kids...they can off themselves as well. Charity begins at home, right?



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#74786 - 01/23/13 07:21 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Morgan]
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I see no relevance to playing the victim for humanities injustices.Injustice is a normal part of existing in this world with others.I feel it does me no good to be angry at people ,as most are to be kept at arms length, knowing the possibilities of being proven right, about being disappointed with their actions.As far as nature is concerned I love it.All have a place and there is really nothing we can do about gravity for instance and it's affects on the universe.

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#74790 - 01/23/13 07:42 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Blackbanner]
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I was just randomly re-reading this post but...

 Originally Posted By: Zach_Black
Honestly people. If I could push a button and randomly kill 50% of the human race I would. Even if that meant myself. And my loved ones. I think I would be doing humanity a big favor.


This just seems off for a Satanist to express. Every bone and muscle in my body prompts me to protecting myself and my family/friends. The rest could kindly fuck off for a day or two. Surely, you were having a bad day when you wrote this reply?

 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
Seriously, I'm a huge fan of suicide. If someone wants to end it all, let them have at it. It'll probably save us a lot of tax dollars in the long run.


There was a point in my life where a sentence like this would have seriously aggravated me and caused me to flip my lid about it. However, in the past 5-6 years, my mindset on suicide has vastly changed where I could (in some circumstances) give a hearty "here, here" to this comment. And have actively told someone who had repeatedly threatened to commit suicide to "bite the bullet". Call me an insensitive prick but I -do- reserve a special hatred for those who emotionally bog down others with their lack of self respect.
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#77711 - 07/02/13 08:53 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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I wouldn't say I hate nature, or mankind.

When it comes to nature, I like being on Earth. I find the natural laws of nature very interesting, as well as figuring out how to use them to succeed at my goals. I feel luck to be a human, who can choose their own destiny unlike other animals. I hate things like sickness sure, or the fact that there are things out of my control that could kill me, but in general I don't hate nature.

I don't really hate mankind in general either. Like everyone, there are certain individuals that I hate but in general I don't hate mankind. Most people I've met were actually decent to me.

You'll hear a lot of dramatic "I hate humanity! fuck the weak! annihilate them!" type of rhetoric in Satanic writings all over the internet. For me though, I just don't care. There's no reason I have to hate them, their weaknesses do not hinder me in any way.

What do I care if your a moron? You may even make me laugh, I love Beavis and Butthead.
Some people don't look to gain high skills or abilities of any kind in life. It's not something I respect, but it doesn't hurt my ability to do so. If they want to do nothing but smoke pot all day, I could care less.
What do I care if your a pussy? It doesn't mean I have to be one.

It only hurts them, they miss out on bettering themselves in whatever way. But, it's their life choice. Plus, I'd venture a guess that many who write blogs with that rhetoric in them are just self-deluded drama queens anyway.

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#80461 - 09/16/13 11:03 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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I hate diseases. I hate pain. Hell, I even hate work. The way the world works kind of sucks. Deal with it, right? But what I want to know is if you hate the system of which the universe operates. Do you hate the game and hate the rules of the physical universe? I want to know if you feel anger towards something that you can't do jack shit about.


Feelings are flighty and momentary. Yes, I feel anger and often but it dissipates, then changes in a blink of an eye to laughter.

I can be angry that I'm aging but appreciate the maturity that comes with age.

I can anger at the Rain when it comes down with such gale force that it floods my garage studio but appreciate that it saves me the trouble of hosing down the cement floor that gets inundated with dirt and debris.

I can be enraged at a Hornet when it stings me but experience joy when I kill it, maybe even hysterical laughter when throw myself to the ground in a 'bug freak out' (I've done it).

I can't do jack-shit about Physics but I can still get pissed off about it when I walk into a wall.

I think when people tell you there's something wrong with you for getting angry, that's a red-flag. Anger is normal and healthy, we are built for it. The whole 'Anger Management' business is just offering tools to people that are so angry all the time that it affects their health (High blood-pressure and adrenaline can have detrimental health-effects). Anger is a way for the body to detect a threat and reason our decisions.
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#80469 - 09/17/13 07:38 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3

I think when people tell you there's something wrong with you for getting angry, that's a red-flag. Anger is normal and healthy, we are built for it. The whole 'Anger Management' business is just offering tools to people that are so angry all the time that it affects their health (High blood-pressure and adrenaline can have detrimental health-effects). Anger is a way for the body to detect a threat and reason our decisions.


Anger can be a productive emotion. It does dissipate in me as well. It tends to be situational. As such, you're bound to laugh at it and move on. Sometimes, it is a powerful motivator. You can transmute it into creation or destruction. Eustress just ups your performance. Distress is the problematic state. If it is a constant, I would suspect it leads to the health issues. I tend to clock in at 90/60. I don't mind a bit of jolt.
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#80507 - 09/21/13 03:55 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Tropix]
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When I was teaching Political Philosophy at the university, here's a question I used to like to sneak into midterms or finals:

"Discuss the history of human thought, evaluate its consequence if any, and compare with any other kind of thought. Be clear and concise."
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#80510 - 09/21/13 05:08 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
"Discuss the history of human thought, evaluate its consequence if any, and compare with any other kind of thought..."
I suppose that any being that exhibits self-awareness, communicates, and applies strategy could be said to be a conscious, thinking being. Sometimes anthropomorphizing things can lead to false conclusions, but I've been wondering which other beings beyond our human, animal and plant families think. I've also been thinking a lot about Frankenstein as portrayed in the 1931 film.

The "monster" is given a criminal human brain from the beginning, which is not the "monster's" fault -- it's human error. The "monster" wants a hug from his ad hoc father, the scientist who created him. But the scientist declines. The "monster" has fears, but the scientist mistakes this for aggression and chains him up, after which his assistant torments him. The "monster" escapes and enjoys the human company of a friendly little girl, but apparently accidentally kills her. After that the 'monster" essentially becomes anathema to the human community.

I've been wondering if the Fukushima nuclear reactors had consciousness, how would they feel? First humans treated them nice and were very proud of the reactors. Then an earthquake hit the reactors and scared them. The reactors spun out of control and the humans were afraid of them. The reactors accidentally killed humans with radiation, and the reactors are bleeding radiation into the sea. Perhaps rather than trying to contain or torment the reactors, the answer is to give them a hug. A human hug will not help. Water helps, but may not be the solution. Is there some kind of electromagnetic beam that could be focused upon the radioactive rods that could slow them down? Something to do with wave harmonics?


Edited by dust-e sheytoon (09/21/13 05:31 PM)
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#80514 - 09/21/13 08:54 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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Is there some kind of electromagnetic beam that could be focused upon the radioactive rods that could slow them down? Something to do with wave harmonics?


Only in Comic Books. That was just adorable. It invokes such a child-like quality to it. You need a hug.
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#80524 - 09/22/13 02:26 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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The "monster" is given a criminal human brain from the beginning, which is not the "monster's" fault -- it's human error.

So you're basically saying it's a human error and therefore forgiveable? You're actually steering towards one of the most discussed themes in the Frankenstein trilogy. Is the monster entitled to its own actions (as it can be said it's an entirely new [created] being? Or is it Frankenstein himself being at fault?

From where I am standing, the monster is entitled towards its own actions. If I take a step back and mirror it towards society, it would seem you're trying to tell me it's "natures/gods" fault and hence should the "criminal mind" not be entitled nor be held responsible towards its own actions. Sounds a bit sketchy to me...

As an additional note, within the novel there's no killing nor is there any criminal mind involved. You're talking about the 1931 (and subsequent) film-adaptations. You might want to give the actual novel a try...

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I've been wondering if the Fukushima nuclear reactors had consciousness, how would they feel? First humans treated them nice and were very proud of the reactors. Then an earthquake hit the reactors and scared them. The reactors spun out of control and the humans were afraid of them. The reactors accidentally killed humans with radiation, and the reactors are bleeding radiation into the sea. Perhaps rather than trying to contain or torment the reactors, the answer is to give them a hug. A human hug will not help. Water helps, but may not be the solution. Is there some kind of electromagnetic beam that could be focused upon the radioactive rods that could slow them down? Something to do with wave harmonics?

Just die already...


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#80542 - 09/22/13 03:21 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Dimitri]
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No, I think that humans should be held accountable for their errors. I meant to show that the humans scapegoated the "monster" in the 1931 film version of Frankenstein. The "monster" was at a disadvantage both in terms of nature and nurture. And the humans freaked out when the "monster" reacted to things and situations in unexpected ways.

It becomes ironic that the nuclear plant facilities are referred to as reactors. The nuclear materials are reacting to a situation that humans have placed them in. And now the humans are dodging accountability for their actions.

Back to the Frankenstein 1931 film, I feel that if the scientist had shown some kind of fatherly affection towards his creation rather than fear and if the scientist had found a way to help the "monster" deal with his own fear and helped him adapt to his new life rather than simply taking away the "monster's" liberty, then things might have turned out better for both the "monster" and the scientist.

In terms of what kind of affection could be shown to a melting down nuclear reactor, water helps to cool it. But is there some other element or wave that could help balance the reactor? What happens in a controlled small scale experiment if high powered ELF (long wave electromagnetic radiation) is focused upon radioactive material? Does it somehow balance or remove the radiation?

Our government already possesses many different kinds of "non-lethal" to "death ray" electromagnetic weapons. Is there a beam that can bring neutrons back to atoms rather than splitting them? Is there a "healthy" "life ray"? This would be an amazing weapon to have, if it could essentially disable, defuse, neutralize nuclear weapons.

Dr. Aquino has mentioned in prior posts that mushrooms absorb and thrive on radiation. Perhaps there is something about the nature of mushrooms that could also be applied to the meltdown at Fukushima?



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#80543 - 09/22/13 08:24 PM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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Dust-e, you may find it helpful if you can forward these questions and ideas to a physics or engineering professor at your local university and see what kind of different twists and turns they may lead you into rounding out or re-exploring your ideas about the subject.
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#80549 - 09/23/13 02:14 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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It's an odd way to use the description "showing affection" in relation to a temporal solution at ground zero. It can be compared as the monster being drugged it's something temporal when not super-visioned.

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What happens in a controlled small scale experiment if high powered ELF (long wave electromagnetic radiation) is focused upon radioactive material? Does it somehow balance or remove the radiation?

Quite frankly, nothing will happen. Nuclear radiation is short-wave. If you want to combat it with electromagnetic radiation you'll be needing an equally radioactive source where the counter-wave is 180į out of phase. And you'll only be creating small zones with lessened radiation levels.

The only thing which can be done is cooling the reactor and encasing it to prevent harm to the rest of the surrounding environment. In a reactor, graphite is being used stabilize. Due to the conditions the reactor is now in and the "chaos" at atomic level it would be like dropping an ice-cube on a forest fire.

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Dr. Aquino has mentioned in prior posts that mushrooms absorb and thrive on radiation. Perhaps there is something about the nature of mushrooms that could also be applied to the meltdown at Fukushima?

Heh..nature of shrooms...

Mushrooms absorb radioactive particles, not radiation themselves. But they are being used during clean-up procedures in the aftermath.
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#80550 - 09/23/13 05:50 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Nemesis]
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I like being mad about the fucking snow.

Hating something I have no control over is a complete waste of my emotional resources. Whatever happens, happens.


That's true, although as much I agree that statement, I've gotta admit, there's something incredibly satisfying about hating something for the sake of it and channeling your resources into that....
I understand that some people don't get it, and that's fine, but say you were bored and had nothing to be angry about. It can be useful to exercise your emotions, like stretching a muscle, maybe you won't be as angry about the smaller things..

And besides, It's fun.

Some people are addicted to being happy,
withdrawal comes in he form of sadness.

Others, are addicted to anger (or the Adrenalin as your blood boils), withdrawal then comes in the form of boredom or discontent.

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#80560 - 09/24/13 12:22 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Le Deluge]
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Some anger is annoying. Ever been around a person that is angry about everything all the time? Nothing seems to bring them happiness or joy, they are quite miserable fucks. They will always find flaw and something to be angry about.

Annoyance is just a mild form of anger.
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#80561 - 09/24/13 02:11 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: SIN3]
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Some anger is annoying. Ever been around a person that is angry about everything all the time? Nothing seems to bring them happiness or joy, they are quite miserable fucks. They will always find flaw and something to be angry about.


I know people like that; they're a total fucking drag. Case in point, my grandmother; she's such a bitter old fuck. Funny thing is, she isn't so much miserable due to any sort of external source, she just doesn't allow herself to enjoy anything. Sure, she's had a shit sandwich or two throughout life (who, hasn't, right?), but honestly it's mostly created by herself. I actually think she's unhappy if she doesn't have something to bitch or whine about.

(Hey, maybe her sourpuss can absorb the radiation from Fukushima? Probably one of the least far-fetched ideas put forth so far.)
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#80563 - 09/24/13 05:53 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: SIN3]
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Some anger is annoying. Ever been around a person that is angry about everything all the time? Nothing seems to bring them happiness or joy, they are quite miserable fucks. They will always find flaw and something to be angry about.

Annoyance is just a mild form of anger.



I definitely have run across people like that. My theory: They are letting the anger control them. It may even be some form of sadness. Anger should be temporal. Act as a motivator. End in a better mindset than before its onset. Otherwise, it is a cancer. It keeps them in stasis. Avoid.
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#80564 - 09/24/13 08:10 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Draculesti]
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Note my tag line ;\)

The world is against you, you push back and hard, always been that way always will be. I don't understand those types of people for as much horror there is the world there's plenty of joy to be had.

Oh what a joy it was to clean up the mess I just made. Gravity man, it's a Bitch. Thing is, I saw myself dropping the entire canister of coffee onto the kitchen floor in my sleepy haze. I dropped it, laughed and cleaned it up. No big deal. I know people that would have allowed that to ruin their entire day as if the Coffee Can plotted against them. Conspiracy!
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#80565 - 09/24/13 08:19 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Le Deluge]
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There's all kinds of processes going on in our bodies that seem out of our control, to include the onset of anger. Anger can move your ass, that's for sure. The OP seemed to be pointing to the idea that being angry about something that appears out of your control (like the snow) is vetting that emotion. I hate the cold but especially the snow. I moved down South to get away from it and in recent years it snows here too! Granted not nearly as much as up North but still... It's out to get me!

I could keep moving but I hate moving more than I hate the snow.
Someone will have to drag my corpse out of this house because I'm never moving again!

haha
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#80566 - 09/24/13 10:53 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: SIN3]
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@SIN3 I once spilled a little coffee from a china teacup onto a antique Persian carpet while opening the home office door of a rich psychiatrist I was working for. Her Haitian maid saw my dismay and kindly said, "Damballah is thirsty." She explained that in Haiti it's traditional to spill a little coffee on the floor as an offering to the snake god.

Diluted leftover coffee and used coffee grounds can also be used as fertilizer for houseplants. Coffee grounds also make a good facial scrub.

Draculesti jokingly pondered whether her his sourpuss grandma could absorb the radiation from Fukushima. This reminds me of Wanda Jackson's"Fujiama Mama" song.


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#80782 - 10/05/13 03:24 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: RAIDER]
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Outside of humanity, do I hate the world? Thatís the topic? Simple. No. My hatred is a very precise thing. I wouldnít dare attempt to cut down an oak tree with a box cutter Ė so no, in fact I donít even hate humanity. The first and only thing that comes to mind is ďwhy do you ask?Ē a lil push- back never killed anyone.

I donít think much about ďhatingĒ mosquitoes. They are annoyances, so I squash them. If push comes to shove, shove comes to hit and thatís really about all there is to it. Problem? Squash it, but donít hate.

Itís fair to say I probably donít hate anything for the same reasons mountain climbers donít hate mountains... even if the mountain claimed many lives in pursuit of its summit.

Aside from the random stupidity that most thumb their noses at Iíll save my venom for very specific instances, when the mood fits and circumstance permits, but never so broadly as implied in the question.

I believe hatred is only relevant instantaneously - the things you specifically have done that I would hurt you for specifically for having done.

Otherwise it becomes rumination fodder; the fulcrum of un-vented frustration Ė and who needs that, really? Unless your hatred burns quick like phosphorus, it is merely a smoldering burden worthless for innumerable reasons save but a mere bitching point.


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#81290 - 10/19/13 11:43 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: Le Deluge]
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 Originally Posted By: Le Deluge


I definitely have run across people like that. My theory: They are letting the anger control them. It may even be some form of sadness. Anger should be temporal. Act as a motivator. End in a better mindset than before its onset. Otherwise, it is a cancer. It keeps them in stasis. Avoid.


People can actually become addicted to emotions. When we experience emotions, it causes, or vice versa, various chemicals to release from our hypothalamus. When they hit their receptors, the rush can be just as addicting as any narcotic agent. They could simply be, for lack of a better term, anger junkies.

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#84488 - 01/26/14 07:50 AM Re: Outside of humanity, do you hate the world? [Re: RAIDER]
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I have no anger with the way the universe is constructed, I can see no better way for it to operate. Without pain and suffering, pleasure would be dull and boring, in fact, life would be dull and boring. Trans-humanism certainly needs to be tested before we judge its effectiveness.

I blame suffering solely on whatever specific thing caused that suffering, and not the universe itself for having suffering as a feature.
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