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#61102 - 11/04/11 08:48 PM Re: A war involving Satanism and witchcraft [Re: Dimitri]
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I don't know what war that Highland Eagle is talking about between Satanists, witches, wiccans, demons and whatnot. Although I'm new to Satanism. I'm also Wiccan. But yeah. What Highland Eagle is talking about doesn't seem to make much since to me. *shrugs*
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#61104 - 11/04/11 09:03 PM Re: A war involving Satanism and witchcraft [Re: Darkened_Shadow_]
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A Wiccan/Satanist hybrid? Interesting. I was a "Dark" Witch, before I found Satanism. I saw the Goddess as Satan/Lilith and used Dark Goddesses mostly in ritual.

I am curious how you plan to resolve the inherent differences between the two. If you're looking for reading material, the media library here and the Mendes Collection are great resources.


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#61186 - 11/06/11 11:33 AM Re: A war involving Satanism and witchcraft [Re: FemaleSatan]
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Yes I agree with FemaleSatan- knowing the difference in Wicca and Satanism is important. Check out the literature list.
Just for the record, this is true that there is no such thing as a Wiccan Satanist, or Satanic Wiccan. Perhaps people adhering to one of these beliefs views the other as something worth checking out but the key word here is COMPATIBILITY and no the teachings and philosophy of Wicca and Satanism are NOT COMPATIBLE.
In laymens terms Wicca is a white light religion, and Satanism cherishes the Dark Arts and Black Magic.
BUT PLEASE FOLLOW FEMALE SATANS ADVICE AND CHECK OUT LITERATURE FOR YOURSELF - I SEEK NOT TO CONFUSE BUT TO CLARIFY.
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#61224 - 11/07/11 02:02 AM Re: A war involving Satanism and witchcraft [Re: LeftHandonFeet]
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While Satanism and Wicca can sort of look similar 'on the surface'...Pagan holidays can be part of practice for both, god and goddess names,respect for Nature, etc..
For me ( I practiced Wicca for thirteen years and 'converted' to Satanism recently) the greatest difference is the Philosophy behind Satanism, which I agree is not congruous with Wicca.
Witchcraft..essentially Majikal practices...can be part of many belief systems/philosophies.
My biggest issue with Wicca by the thirteenth year was the REMOVING OF NEGATIVE ENERGY...always cleansing - spaces, objects, myself- apparently everything in this world is just a big ole magnet for NEGATIVE ENERGY. It really started to remind of the shit the Catholics tried to impose on me in my youth- SIN SIN SIN......you're unclean, blah blah.
In Satanism, when I practice ritual I connect with the 'Dark Ones'... and as a human I am completely acceptable...and I NEVER have to apologize for having needs, wants, and my own opinion.
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#61228 - 11/07/11 04:22 AM Re: A war involving Satanism and witchcraft [Re: RAIDER]
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Okay, I don't feel the two are incompatible. Wicca, is quite different than what came after him. There is a recognition of both the light and dark aspects of the human psyche, if you strip away the "Religious" concepts of it.

The Goddess is a very appropriate version of the Devil if viewed through the right lens. I always thought she was the basis of that "Evil" concept due to her associations (Being the Goddess of the Earth specifically.).

Look, Wicca is largely bullshit. I personally found the idea of divinity beimg female empowering. As long as the Religious aspects are thrown out, I can see it working.


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#61236 - 11/07/11 12:04 PM Re: A war involving Satanism and witchcraft [Re: FemaleSatan]
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Wicca and Satanism have some similar origins, in that they are both influenced by accounts of Renaissance-era witchcraft.

The main difference is that Wicca adheres to moral codes such as the threefold law-- Satanism, being antinomian, does not.

Practitioners will, however, often mix elements of the two. It's very common among those who are still finding their own way.
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#61342 - 11/12/11 09:19 PM Re: A war involving Satanism and witchcraft [Re: RAIDER]
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Its actually not to difficult to understand for you then if youve used Wicca- I'm glad you see my point of view is factual and non-emotional. You understand that Wicca actually is a form of white magic. Sure its different than other kinds, but what kind of magic doesnt have its own unique traits?
Yes Satanism does oppose the use of white magic. The first example I want to list (and the last in this post) is the fact that The Satanic Bible exposes the disposition of white magic in several places and talks down on its hypocrisy.
Like I say to white magicians who want to pretend they aren't borrowing the Devils devices - EITHER SHIT OR GET OFF THE TOILET!
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#61376 - 11/13/11 09:53 PM Re: A war involving Satanism and witchcraft [Re: LeftHandonFeet]
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Wicca is not a form of white magic, or any magic. Wicca is an Earth based religion...those who practice Wicca may or may not practice magic.
Satanists and Wiccans can both bless and curse. The Satanist would not be concerned with Karmic repercussions, whereas the Wiccan would.
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#65682 - 03/24/12 09:27 PM Re: A war involving Satanism and witchcraft [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
Satanists and Wiccans can hardly post in the same forum together, much less team up to wage an actual war against somebody.


Haha, I agree completely with this statement.
My brother is Wiccan and even converted his whole family (I imagine its easy as pie once you get the xtian mother on board, its actually a very cool dynamic hes got going.)

I remember visiting my brother as a kid (hes got 11 years on me) and we went to the bookstore, so I'm digging through the new age section @ waldenbooks and my bro spies two hot goth chicks stocking up on lavey. I remember later he referred to them as satan's whores jokingly of course, wiccans aint exactly altar boys. I found them distasteful as well, but I thought it was a foolish trend, It wasn't until nearly 10 years later that I ordered and re-read lavey and gained my current perspective (mostly anti-theism, rejecting the deity idea). As a result, my perspectives clash harshly with christians, wiccans and luciferians equally. Through that lens, even my occult savvy bro would be a silly, closet christian, white light dabbler who cannot admit his own dualistic desires(love,hate,etc).

I got a baphomet tattoo during what can only be described as a chemically induced life revelation roller coaster, whatever my reasons may have been at the time, or how misguided they might have been, I'm standing by it, I like it. I saw my brother for the first time in years recently, I wore short sleeves and the baphomet is on my forearm in clear view. Most people either ignore it because I forget its there, or ask what it is, hehehe then I just grin and tell them to google baphomet or the goat of mendes or I just say 'scapegoat'. The meaning is usually far widely interpreted, I just want fundamentalist christians to stay away really lol. Works for that, anyone who knows glares at me, good. Anyway, obviously my brother knew what it was and I already knew he was down with the rival faction, or at least a faction that viewed us as 'the wrong ones'. He didn't say anything, which to me is more disturbing than good news, I'm not sure if he thinks of me different now, but I hope not, I like him just fine despite his affiliations, in fact I enjoy his opinions on these things. But the point is, I'm not sure if he holds me in the same fair light. So to conclude my agreement with what I quoted, if there was a war, we'd be 'fighting' each other. This is yet another reason for my contempt for organized religions and the issues they create for society.


Edited by neurosys (03/24/12 09:34 PM)
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