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#64269 - 02/02/12 12:07 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: TwIzT]
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 Originally Posted By: TwIzT

1. Respect not pity or weakness, for they are a disease which makes sick the strong.
2. Test always your strength, for therein lies success.
3. Seek happiness in victory - but never in peace.
4. Enjoy a short rest, better than a long.
5. Come as a reaper, for thus you will sow.
6. Never love anything so much you cannot see it die.
7. Build not upon sand, but upon rock And build not for today or yesterday but for all time.
8. Strive ever for more, for conquest is never done.
9. And die rather than submit.
10. Forge not works of art but swords of death, for therein lies great art.
11. Learn to raise yourself above yourself so you can triumph over all.
12. The blood of the living makes good fertilizer for the seeds of the new.
13. He who stands atop the highest pyramid of skulls can see the furthest.
14. Discard not love but treat it as an imposter, but ever be just.
15. All that is great is built upon sorrow.
16. Strive not only forwards, but upwards for greatness lies in the highest.
17. Come as a fresh strong wind that breaks yet also creates.
18. Let love of life be a goal but let your highest goal be greatness.
19. Nothing is beautiful except man: but most beautiful of all is woman.
20. Reject all illusion and lies, for they hinder the strong.
21. What does not kill, makes stronger.


^^ These are good. However, even if you swagger across the earth and live by all of these aphorisms, at the end of it all you will most surely die and dissolve into the Void, having never been more than a mite upon a mote in an unimaginably vast cosmos. This is where the Satanic paradigm always fails for me, because no matter how hard I try, I cannot convince myself that I or any other man will ever amount to anything in the cosmic scheme of things. Self-deification therefore seems as absurd and delusional as submission to God. And this realization, I suspect, is at the root of the anti-Satanic religions and explains their universal appeal. Isn't religion, almost by definition, a recognition that there is something greater than yourself of value in this world?


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#64270 - 02/02/12 12:38 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Sorcerer]
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 Originally Posted By: Sorcerer
I cannot convince myself that I or any other man will ever amount to anything in the cosmic scheme of things. Self-deification therefore seems as absurd and delusional as submission to God.

It depends on how you define self-deification. For me, self-deification simply means determining the course of my life to the extent that I can. I hold no delusions about my significance, or lack thereof, in the whole scheme of things. This is why my objective in life is not to change the world but to take responsibility for my world, my life. And I know I’m not always going to get it right, but I do want to be consistently moving in the direction of making smarter choices, choices that benefit me and those I care about. It’s all I can do.

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#64278 - 02/02/12 06:48 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Sorcerer]
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 Originally Posted By: Sorcerer
This is where the Satanic paradigm always fails for me, because no matter how hard I try, I cannot convince myself that I or any other man will ever amount to anything in the cosmic scheme of things.


Who in the grand scheme of things, other than yourself, is judging what you "amount to"? Assuming you name a name, why, exactly, is it of paramount importance to you how they judge you in this context?

 Originally Posted By: Sorcerer
Isn't religion, almost by definition, a recognition that there is something greater than yourself of value in this world?


No. Religion is believing, as opposed to recognizing, that there is someone that is superior to you, so much so that you worship he/she/it unquestioningly.
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#64294 - 02/03/12 06:27 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Autodidact]
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I am going to attempt to answer Galt's first post with my own point of view.

How do I use Satanic Principles? I believe I have posted before that the essence for self-realisation within Satanism can be found in education.

Education can be used to inform an individual about their chosen path and the choices made by others. An example could be the continual study and interrogation of one's own 'Satanic concepts' and what they mean on a personal level. It could also mean the continued widening of one's view toward other 'opposed' concepts. I am thinking religous and faith-based choices, what shapes those choices, and the impact they have had on a broader societal level.

One could argue that this is very funadmental, perhaps a 'given'. Yet if one does not take opportunities to critique the actions they perfom and the context within which they are acted out, one could -as TwIzT has noted- be "building on sand".

From an informed and critically reflective position (informed by Satanic Prinicples) I believe that positive action can be made toward realising one's own Godhood. However, internalising this and short-circuiting the level of procrastination that it sometimes leaves me with is an ongoing point of development.

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#64298 - 02/03/12 02:59 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Sorcerer]
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However, even if you swagger across the earth and live by all of these aphorisms, at the end of it all you will most surely die and dissolve into the Void, having never been more than a mite upon a mote in an unimaginably vast cosmos.

The acting and making a change in the cosmos is not of importance. Hell, even having your name hung on a street or in books referred isn't. The importance lays in the personal development, the individual. If there is a change to occur by your action, the better, but it is not of importance.

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This is where the Satanic paradigm always fails for me, because no matter how hard I try, I cannot convince myself that I or any other man will ever amount to anything in the cosmic scheme of things. Self-deification therefore seems as absurd and delusional as submission to God.

The Satanic paradigm involves action. The LHP has no straight goal, it's more how to cope and succesfully use made choices in life. A goal is self-chosen. Self-deification was never of importance, but it can have its use.
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#64299 - 02/03/12 07:49 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
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The Satanic paradigm involves action. The LHP has no straight goal, it's more how to cope and succesfully use made choices in life. A goal is self-chosen. Self-deification was never of importance, but it can have its use.


I've always seen self-deification as more of a point of view enabling the individual to think outside the box-- to be active and assume the role of the God that the RHP initiate would otherwise be submissive to. It's something more practical than trying to metaphysically transform yourself into a transdimensional comet-wielding demiurge or something like that.


Edited by The Zebu (02/03/12 07:50 PM)
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#64805 - 02/23/12 10:54 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Sorcerer]
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^^ These are good. However, even if you swagger across the earth and live by all of these aphorisms, at the end of it all you will most surely die and dissolve into the Void, having never been more than a mite upon a mote in an unimaginably vast cosmos. This is where the Satanic paradigm always fails for me, because no matter how hard I try, I cannot convince myself that I or any other man will ever amount to anything in the cosmic scheme of things. Self-deification therefore seems as absurd and delusional as submission to God. And this realization, I suspect, is at the root of the anti-Satanic religions and explains their universal appeal. Isn't religion, almost by definition, a recognition that there is something greater than yourself of value in this world?

And how would you rather die? Not swaggering the across the earth, but bouncing across the land in your little protection bubble with not a care in the world. With dreams and hopes of growing larger than a flea, and a small chance of your whisper being heard through the cosmo's. With noone to hear, it's but an echo.

Go on living your careful life and die of old age. In your box of a house, where your planets aligned and the cosmos was made. Only to have your book be read with a flip of the page.


Edited by TwIzT (02/23/12 11:00 AM)
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#64811 - 02/23/12 02:05 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: The Zebu]
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I've always seen self-deification as more of a point of view enabling the individual to think outside the box-- to be active and assume the role of the God that the RHP initiate would otherwise be submissive to. It's something more practical than trying to metaphysically transform yourself into a transdimensional comet-wielding demiurge or something like that.

I don't really do self-deification nor do I see it as a viewing point since it skews a bit the perception of things how they are.
What I do is actively seeking out those things which seem to oppose me and blend into it for a periode of time until the mental dust has settled and the emotional feeling created by that opposition has ceased to be.

To give it with an example: If I felt opposed and have strong sentiments towards, for instance, National Socialism and Extreme right ideology instead of proclaiming the evil they are I'll try to read up on it and blend in with those in support by trying to stay as objective as possible. A mental and emotional challenge that will only end when knee-jerk reactions by triggerwords cease to be or if I have a firm (or basic) understanding. This most of the time helps in discussions and causes me to take a position outside the box by knowing and understanding what the goals and aims of both parties are. Or in short: I try to overcome. It is hardly self-deitification.
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#64823 - 02/23/12 09:54 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
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I think you've hit it on the head, actually. The LHP is all about reconciling opposites. Self-deification, in this context, is useful to the person just beginning to break free of religious dogma. It is, essentially, a counterbalance to the notion of being submissive to a God. Naturally it will not be particularly useful to one who has already moved past this phase of initiation-- which is in turn, a continuous process of self-overcoming.
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#64858 - 02/25/12 09:36 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: The Zebu]
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Thank you. I love to fuck and Satan gives me the freedom to explore my natural sexuality. I am willing to learn and I have read a bit of the Satanic Bible.
I too was brought up Catholic, but I have thought of the power of Satan since a little child. I never believed the shit about the bread and wine, actually being that body blood and divinity? BS plain and simple and now I can say this with freedom and authority. Also confession to a pedifile, I think not. I have nothing to confess any longer.
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#75474 - 03/22/13 08:29 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Euronymous]
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I try my best to live by what I believe Satanic philosophies should be(not the "Satanic" bible). One of the 21 Satanic Points is "let love of life be a goal, but let your highest goal be greatness"...I don't advocate all 21 points, but this one I do like a lot...it is also how I decided my personal philosophies for a Satanic pathway.

They are not meant to be based around human nature, or things that are naturally done necessarily...they are centered around not only happiness, but personal accomplishment and traits of mental strength. I don't buy the idea of not trying to live by philosophies, because if philosophies are centered around strength and accomplishment you SHOULD try to live by them, to attain the abilities,traits etc that you can get from them. However, pursue them because you see the value not just because they are written in a book. For me..these are my personal philosophies and how I apply them to life

I-Ideal of Truth..seek to know the truth, don't lie to yourself......The main way I apply this by making sure I know what my abilities really are, and not telling myself I can do what I can't yet..I deal with truth relating to them. If I don't have a way to test them, I form opinions based on what I know, but don't accept them as fact until I can test them.

II-Ideal of Mental Freedom...choose your own path, choose your own views, goals and understand the reasons why you believe what you do and understand knowledge that is important to you............This is just mental, I make sure I know the reasons behind my views, and I make sure I understand things that I use in achieving my goals or that I am interested in(know they are true,know the reasons why they work not just accepting them blindly)

III-Ideal of Equality...racial,gender,sexuality etc, don't judge people for what they can't help.....mental as well, I just believe in it. I won't dislike someone for something they can't help, I believe we all deserve equal opportunity in life, as well as equal punishments. I reject all sexist,racist,homophobic ideologies and believe them to be stupid and ignorant.

IV-Ideal of Self Respect...pursuing things for your own personal glory, not for the approval of another...having a "fuck you" attitude towards those who don't like you, regardless of who they are..if people don't care about you, don't care about them........just a mentality, like the first 3

V-Ideal of Conviction...be open about who you are, be strong in your convictions(in some situations,keeping things private is understandable, but being open is always respectable

VI-Ideal of Death/Antifear...die before giving up your path, seek to overcome fears and do what you do despite threats...haven't had very many chances to apply this one, but I seek to rise to the occasion if I need to, but hopefully it doesn't come down to the death level...I do however, seek to overcome fears that I have

VII-Ideal of Awareness/Mental Strength..be aware of the world, don't isolate yourself..be mentally strong,be able to overcome trauma and able to overcome obstacles that get in your way...I haven't endured any serious trauma in life, but have encountered many obstacles in pursuit of my goals(not being able to find opportunities) but I continue to pursue them until they are reached..when they are reached, I will seek to keep my abilities where they are.

VIII-Ideal of Anti...be willing to rebel and go against the grain, don't seek to make others see your way, don't seek the approval of others just be as you are and keep only those who accept you around, judge goals by accomplishment value not how they are perceived by society, see merit in sticking by your views despite backlash, mockery by morons etc.....a mentality, just like most of them are.

IX-Ideal of Spirituality...seek a spiritual connection with your gods......I will personally admit I'm weak in this area, my #1 way of doing this was through night walks through forests(but I live in the desert now)..I am researching ideas for connection rituals I could try out to see if they work for me(just for connection, not spells I don't believe those to be effective and think their aims are things that should be done physically anyway)

X-Ideal of Accountability...there's no accomplishment or pride in what you don't earn,you have choices, take responsibility for your own lives...another mental one,just a way I think....I don't see accomplishment value in something unless I earned it on my own merits..and I believe success is my responsibility

XI-Ideal of Pride...have pride in your goals, seek to reach high levels in them..pursue them for personal pride/glory...my #1 goals are football related, I seek to be successful against the best of players, and I pursue them to be able to look on what I've done, and be proud of the skills I've attained.

Most of them are mental and are just ways of thinking, but in many ways most of them can be applied to action, and ones that are purely mental are often vital to success in what you pursue with action.

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#75542 - 03/25/13 08:04 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
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III-Ideal of Equality...racial,gender,sexuality etc, don't judge people for what they can't help.....mental as well, I just believe in it. I won't dislike someone for something they can't help, I believe we all deserve equal opportunity in life, as well as equal punishments. I reject all sexist,racist,homophobic ideologies and believe them to be stupid and ignorant.

A fag is a fag and a nigger is a nigger. Everyone is different and distinctions should be made. Your last sentence is actually in contradiction with you ideal of equality. If it was truly upheld you'd say there's a disliking but will give it oppotunity to be without being condenscending.

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IV-Ideal of Self Respect...pursuing things for your own personal glory, not for the approval of another...having a "fuck you" attitude towards those who don't like you, regardless of who they are..if people don't care about you, don't care about them........just a mentality, like the first 3

Is in contradiction with your III ideal.
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#75551 - 03/26/13 01:54 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
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Some of the 21 Satanic points I use, some of them I find ridiculous and stupid. The ones I use are mainly just philosophies relating to bettering my abilities in areas of my personal goals.

The whole "won't amount to anything in the grand scheme of the universe" thing is asinine and ridiculous. If the entire planet of Earth disappeared it would have minimal impact on even the rest of the solar system's planets(just orbit patterns due to gravity).

How ridiculous is it to actually not pursue personal goals just because it doesn't impact the universe, it is physically impossible for what any of us do here to impact the universe if our whole planet's disappearance would minimally impact it.

The whole point of self-oriented philosophies is that it doesn't matter how you impact the Earth, much less the universe. It is about bettering yourself, your abilities, personal goals. Just worry about that. If you reach the highest level of your own goals, if you get to a point where you have world class skills in the area of your goal you are among the best in the world. That is all you can hope for.

The way it could have ultimate lasting impact is if you believe in an afterlife, and that things you do in life can give you eternal afterlife. That would atleast make it have lasting impact for you.


Edited by 334forwardspin (03/26/13 02:15 AM)

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#75552 - 03/26/13 02:05 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: The Zebu]
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I never understood the idea of following LaVeyanism to break free and not be submissive to a god because you don't need a religion to do that.

There is no need for religion unless you actually believe in a god, because to follow philosophies all you have to do is live by them.

I'm a Satanist, I believe in an actual Satan(though not the biblical one) which is why I chose the path. I chose it also because I believe in Satanic philosophy, however if the philosophy was all I believed in I would simply follow the philosophies, but not be a Satanist.

Theistic Satanists often like the idea of not being submissive to a god, as they see Satan as being a guider and liberator(like I do)rather than a master but they believe in an actual Satan and if they didn't, would just be atheists who followed Satanic philosophy.

To be free of submission to a god, you could just be an Atheist. You don't need a religion to do that, it is very easy.

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#75553 - 03/26/13 02:14 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
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How is the last sentence contradictory? It says I reject racially and etc. oriented ideologies because they are stupid and ignorant. The ideal is about saying we should treat people the same. This makes no sense.

And how is ideal 4 in contradiction with ideal 3? You do know that ideal 3 means not disliking people BECAUSE OF their race right? I like some black people, I dislike some of them as well. I like them based on how they treat me, that's exactly how #3 says I should approach it.

If you think these are contradictory you don't understand what they mean

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