Page all of 9 12345>Last »
Topic Options
#612 - 09/24/07 07:33 PM How do you use satanic principles ?
Galt Offline
lurker


Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 2
Loc: Georgia USA
How do you implement the ideas of Satanism in your daily life?
Top
#613 - 09/24/07 08:00 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Galt]
Meph Offline
stranger


Registered: 08/29/07
Posts: 18
Loc: Huntington, Indiana
I think they're pretty much common sense and human nature. I don't have to try, it just comes naturally, but that's me. I'm sure I'm not alone on this. Everybody looks out for number one, first.
Top
#614 - 09/24/07 09:17 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Meph]
Nemesis Offline
senior member


Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 2175
Loc: US
I've had to work fairly hard at overcoming my tendencies to be accomodating and pleasant to people that I disliked or had no respect for. I was lying to myself and others, in a fashion. Embracing the precepts of Satanism has enabled me to be truer to myself, to use Lesser Magic on others to work my will, and to let others know that I will bite if I feel I am being taken advantage of or disrespected. To enjoy life to its fullest, to let go of useless baggage and guilt, and to face each new challenge in my life without fear.
_________________________
Nothing is sacred.

Top
#615 - 09/24/07 09:35 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Galt]
FdB Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 24
Loc: Las Vegas, NV / Dallas, TX / K...
I've never applied "Satanic Principles" to anything in my life. I guess this is why I have an issue when people say "I follow the Satanic Bible".

I live my life as I want. My rules are the ones that I make and believe in and they are ever changing as I am constantly growing. The Satanic Principles happen to match what I am and believe without me needing to do work, which is why they are beautiful. What I may believe them to be today, will bring on a new meaning tomorrow and that new meaning will be just as relevant as the one before.

I think that Satanic Principles are a description of a state of being that becomes more and more relevant as one grows, but the individual it describes does not purposely attempt to follow these guidelines. They just describe what you already are at heart.
_________________________
-FdB-


Top
#616 - 09/24/07 09:59 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Galt]
ta2zz Offline
veteran member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1552
Loc: Connecticut
 Originally Posted By: Galt
How do you implement the ideas of satanism in your daily life?

To be taken seriously with such a question, it would help if you gave us a bit of how you implement Satanism into your life… Try to add to a conversation not just ask questions expecting us to jump like trained monkeys…

Question answered…
_________________________
We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams. ~Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy

Top
#625 - 09/25/07 08:28 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: ta2zz]
Sliver Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/11/07
Posts: 18
Loc: Georgia, USA
"... ideas of Satanism ..."?

I don't believe Satanism is an "idea" but a way of life. If you picked up the LaVey's Bible and changed yourself to match what those words said, then yes Satanism may be seen as an "idea". However, if you picked up the book and said, "Well this is how I've been living" then it is no longer an "idea" it is a culture.

"ideas of Satanism" sounds like something an outsider asks. Or at the very least someone who does not truly understand what it is to be a satanist.

Top
#634 - 09/25/07 01:03 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Sliver]
Satanicteen Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 39
Loc: Idaho Falls, Idaho
Satanism is a way of life it isnt an "idea"
_________________________
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber. -Sir Winston Churchill

Top
#637 - 09/25/07 02:48 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Satanicteen]
Cody Offline
pledge


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 72
But what are you when "Satanism" passes out of your field of existence? I need something to latch onto, something that defines myself to the world- Waiting in Limbo.

{Waking} where am I?

a voice calls "you are in nothingness"

really?

"yes, because you are nothing".

How do I attain something?

"Do something"

Top
#642 - 09/25/07 05:19 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Cody]
MCSA TEK Offline
pledge


Registered: 09/13/07
Posts: 97
Loc: Orlando Fl USA
Perhaps this will give you a better answer to your question.

Satanism is interest. I am interested in people and in what exactly is going on around me. This is the basis of my power. As I observe the world I gain insight into the many plots, plans and projects going on around me. Knowing exactly what people are doing in order to get what they want, gives me opportunities to act in a manner that advances my own agenda. Observation also makes me aware of those few true threats to success; the small hand full of aggressive opportunists hiding among the sea of dazed and unfocused people that fill the world around us. The simple act of watching and listening is the most undervalued tool we have.

Satanism is knowledge. Hearing something is worthless if you don’t know how to use that information. I enjoy study and learning. I am a reader of psychology, history, business, culture, music, break dancing, and anything else that interests me. I strive to know a little about everything. I try to get to the point where I can carry on an intelligent and informed conversation on any topic.

By being educated you are better able to mix in a wider social group. People talk more freely when they are at ease, and people are more at ease with someone they feel is in their same social status. People tend to stay within their social group. They marry within it, promote from within it, and form bonds of trust from within it. This opens an incredible number of doors that otherwise wouldn’t be available to you.

An education in psychology allows me better insight into human nature, making me better able to predict someone’s next move, as well as how they may respond to my plans and business decisions. It allows me to predict actions, outcomes, and most importantly, the correct timing. Psychology is the key to deciding when to act. As you can see, education is the foundation upon which the Satanist functions.

Satanism is action. This is the defining characteristic. Satanism IS ACTION. All the knowledge and education in the world is useless to a couch potato. It’s in actually “using” that knowledge which makes your will manifest its self. It’s walking up to the boss and offering the solution to that problem you just over heard. It’s sabotaging your rival’s interview. It’s doing your own version of an upper level project and asking the “decider” to critique it for you. It’s planning ahead and giving yourself options.

An armchair Satanist is simply a very black sheep.

Chris
_________________________
Read about this great Patriot and Vote!
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Top
#643 - 09/25/07 05:44 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Cody]
MCSA TEK Offline
pledge


Registered: 09/13/07
Posts: 97
Loc: Orlando Fl USA
 Originally Posted By: Cody
But what are you when "Satanism" passes out of your field of existence? I need something to latch onto, something that defines myself to the world- Waiting in Limbo.

{Waking} where am I?

a voice calls "you are in nothingness"

really?

"yes, because you are nothing".

How do I attain something?

"Do something"


We are all monkeys. No more. No less.

I see the scared little monkey looking to "define itself" to the flock? Its goal is to put on some alter ego, or label, or mask. Its no Satanist.

We aren't for them. We are for ourselves. We are here because we are outsiders. we see the absurdity of the flock. The stupidity and meaninglessness of the other monkeys.

I care nothing what others think unless I can use it to my advantage. Trying to be spooky and unnerve sheep is a waste of time, unproductive and serves to show a psychological need for the flocks opinion.

Can the Monkey rise above that?
Can the monkey be a god?

And this is core of the true debate.
"Are Satanists made, or born."

Chris
_________________________
Read about this great Patriot and Vote!
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Top
#647 - 09/25/07 06:41 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: MCSA TEK]
Nemesis Offline
senior member


Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 2175
Loc: US
Well said on both posts, Chris.
_________________________
Nothing is sacred.

Top
#659 - 09/26/07 12:40 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Nemesis]
blackdragon31560 Offline
pledge


Registered: 08/30/07
Posts: 74
Loc: Hell Paso, TX
I would have to agree with Chris, but at the same time, i think that its natural. After all if you don't take care of yourself, no one will.

I don't think you can "use satanic principles" since all it is simply being who you are. i think of it as natural extension of yourself.
_________________________
Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil.

~ Niccolo Machiavelli

Top
#683 - 09/26/07 09:45 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: MCSA TEK]
fakepropht Moderator Offline
Big Slick
active member


Registered: 08/29/07
Posts: 990
Loc: Texas
Nicely stated replies and summarized in an easy to digest manner. However, couldn't you replace Satanism is....with A driven individual is.....? The qualities you offered could also define a Donald Trump or a very successful person who also happens to be deeply rooted in a Christian lifestyle. It also reads like an ad for the next motivational speaker coming to town asking for his $100 speaking fee.
Top
#719 - 09/28/07 06:14 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: fakepropht]
Venger Satanis Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/27/07
Posts: 11
 Quote:
Nicely stated replies and summarized in an easy to digest manner. However, couldn't you replace Satanism is....with A driven individual is.....? The qualities you offered could also define a Donald Trump or a very successful person who also happens to be deeply rooted in a Christian lifestyle. It also reads like an ad for the next motivational speaker coming to town asking for his $100 speaking fee.


i agree. that's where Satanism breaks down and gives way to "dark humanism" and whatnot. i was just reading the same type of stuff (although with more of a spiritual edge) on the MCoS site:

http://www.modernchurchofsatan.com

so what's the difference between a Satanist and a Donald Trump wannabe? personally, i think it's the "Infernal Mandate". that's the theistic Satanism junk (but necessary junk!) which Aquino and company couldn't let go of. and it was this notion that divided the original Church of Satan from the Temple of Set... virtually laying waste to the modern Satanic movement altogether. (actually it's slightly more complicated than that because of the personalities, feelings, and pride entering the picture)

in my opinion, there's a few key elements that separate a real estate tycoon from a Devil worshiper (and remember, there as a time when LaVeyans relished such a grandiose and campy moniker).

1. magic: practicing sorcery is something i can't see Trump doing.

2. spirituality: feeling connected to something bigger than yourself.

3. religion: also known as dogma, deeper philosophy, the stuff you can't just compromise on or create a justification for. where does a belief system end and a religion begin?


questions, opinions, comments, suggestions, indignant rants...?


Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest

Top
#729 - 09/30/07 05:50 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: MCSA TEK]
Euronymous Offline
stranger


Registered: 08/31/07
Posts: 46
Loc: san diego, ca
Mmmm... refreshing - highly eloquent, and precise words; very well said. Very well said indeed. You hit upon the major underlying keys and indentified the core issue of ACTION. There is little I can add save for the fact that rational self-interest is of course a high Satanic virtue and that with one's growing knowledge and world-wisdom you can USE the information in your head to manipulate the outside world and make your will manifest. It really shouldn't and isn't work for most of us; it is just something that we want to do and is in our nature. You can't be something other than what you already are at your very core. When the fundamental nature of something is indentified, it can not be refuted.

Edited by Euronymous (09/30/07 05:52 PM)
_________________________
" And in the secret caves of my wisdom, it is known that there is no God but Me. "

Top
#760 - 10/01/07 04:24 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Euronymous]
Venger Satanis Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/27/07
Posts: 11
 Quote:
Mmmm... refreshing - highly eloquent, and precise words; very well said. Very well said indeed. You hit upon the major underlying keys and identified the core issue of ACTION. There is little I can add save for the fact that rational self-interest is of course a high Satanic virtue and that with one's growing knowledge and world-wisdom you can USE the information in your head to manipulate the outside world and make your will manifest. It really shouldn't and isn't work for most of us; it is just something that we want to do and is in our nature. You can't be something other than what you already are at your very core. When the fundamental nature of something is identified, it can not be refuted.


thank you for the praise, Euronymous. and i quite agree with you regarding your other points.

Hail the new Satanic Aeon!


Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest

Top
#766 - 10/01/07 06:43 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Venger Satanis]
ta2zz Offline
veteran member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1552
Loc: Connecticut
 Originally Posted By: Venger Satanis


thank you for the praise, Euronymous. and i quite agree with you regarding your other points.

Hail the new Satanic Aeon!


Do you always think praise is for you even when if you could read you would see... [Re: MCSA TEK] You really are a character...

Fucking hilarious...
_________________________
We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams. ~Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy

Top
#813 - 10/02/07 05:52 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: fakepropht]
Venger Satanis Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/27/07
Posts: 11
just because someone hit a reply button from some other post doesn't mean that his words weren't meant for me. (like so)

perhaps i'm wrong. if his praise was meant for that other guy, then that's fine, my mistake. unless he chimes in, i guess we'll never know.

you really have a lot of time on your hands and a need to flash your ego around, don't you. i find you hilarious... and more than a little sad.

i'm trying to positively contribute to this forum. all you do is spread negativity. how is that productive? how it that going to help anyone?


Hail the new Satanic Aeon!


Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest

Top
#819 - 10/02/07 07:34 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Venger Satanis]
ta2zz Offline
veteran member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1552
Loc: Connecticut
 Originally Posted By: Venger Satanis
just because someone hit a reply button from some other post doesn't mean that his words weren't meant for me. (like so)


You prove nothing other than you cannot read anything without taking your head out of your self aggrandizing ass… Clearly I can tell this reply is for me… You on the other hand feel the need to steal someone else’s praise… No comparison…

 Quote:
perhaps i'm wrong. if his praise was meant for that other guy, then that's fine, my mistake.


Another mistake, no problem…

 Quote:
unless he chimes in, i guess we'll never know.


I think we all know… Your over use of the lowercase i shows even you truly know, even if it is only subconsciously…

 Quote:
you really have a lot of time on your hands and a need to flash your ego around, don't you.


This forum is not the ruler by which I measure my worth… But it would be all you know of me… Hence why you feel that this is a measure of my ego it is your ruler which you measure me by… As far as time sorry your so busy trying to survive and I have more free time than you… Sucks for you huh?

 Quote:
i find you hilarious... and more than a little sad.


Actually I was sick for a few days not sad… Check the smiley face…

 Quote:
i'm trying to positively contribute to this forum. all you do is spread negativity.


It is all in your perspective…

 Quote:
how is that productive? how it that going to help anyone?


If you cannot see I cannot heal your blindness… I make no claims to supernatural powers…

Good day…

~T~
_________________________
We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams. ~Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy

Top
#970 - 10/08/07 02:26 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Euronymous]
Cody Offline
pledge


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 72
never really thought about it, I just go about doing what I do.
Top
#1046 - 10/11/07 12:55 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Satanicteen]
CarpexNoctem Offline
lurker


Registered: 10/11/07
Posts: 2
 Originally Posted By: Satanicteen
satanism is a way of life it isnt an "idea"


I agree 100%. You can't be a Satanist for 12 hours in the day and then the other 12 hours decide you don't want to be. It just doesn't work that way. Anton LaVey had an "idea" when he envisioned the Church of Satan. What he created was a way of life.

Top
#1050 - 10/11/07 01:43 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: CarpexNoctem]
ta2zz Offline
veteran member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1552
Loc: Connecticut
 Originally Posted By: CarpexNoctem
Anton Lavey had an "idea" when he envisioned the Church of Satan.

Yes fame and wealth...

 Quote:
What he created was a way of life.

Do you feel Mr LaVey created this way of life? Or defined it giving it a title? Was this done for anything other than fame, wealth, or ego gratification?

~T~
_________________________
We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams. ~Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy

Top
#1089 - 10/15/07 01:16 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: CarpexNoctem]
Satanicteen Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 39
Loc: Idaho Falls, Idaho

 Originally Posted By: CarpexNoctem

What he created was a way of life.


thats exzactly what he did
_________________________
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber. -Sir Winston Churchill

Top
#1090 - 10/15/07 01:17 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Satanicteen]
Satanicteen Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 39
Loc: Idaho Falls, Idaho
ta2zz of course it was for more than that
_________________________
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber. -Sir Winston Churchill

Top
#1092 - 10/16/07 01:51 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Satanicteen]
xxx Offline
lurker


Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 1
Content removed by Woland.
Senseless gibberish, performed with utterly horrid grammar...


Edited by Woland (10/16/07 01:30 PM)
Edit Reason: Manure...

Top
#1096 - 10/16/07 10:33 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Satanicteen]
ta2zz Offline
veteran member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1552
Loc: Connecticut
Hello Satanicteen your last comment has made me do a bit or research on your posting history… Let me point out that by looking at your posts you do not really have much to say… Now keeping in mind that you are a teen and not trying to sound like I support ageism but do you in your limited experience with life truly have an opinion? Or do you think this is like sending little snippits to your friends on myspace or the like?

satanism is a way of life it isnt an "idea" (why do you feel this way)

whats up (typing to type)

creeppyyy (heh)

I am Impressed with your chain Asmedious. I wish to own one like yours. (buy one)

i much agree with you Schoolbully. (not many do)

I like your suit Asmedious. Very subperb indeed. (flirting)

Asmediuos, you are quite the crazy one. *smiles* crazy (see above)

thats exzactly what he did (why where is your reasoning)

ta2zz of course it was for more than that (see above)

Can you see how this only opens the door for people like xxx there?

How do I apply these principals to my life? As far as this forum goes… Well first off when representing myself here in written word I use a spell checker when needed and make sure I do not post in haste… I try to make sure my post has value before I hit reply…

Ask yourself does my post have value? Does it add humor or insight does it provoke thought or express a different perspective? Then perhaps when we all look to see the new postings we get more than yo yo sup mah nigga…

Just something to think about…

Pleasant thoughts…

~T~


Edited by ta2zz (10/16/07 10:36 AM)
Edit Reason: format
_________________________
We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams. ~Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy

Top
#1098 - 10/16/07 12:32 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: ta2zz]
Satanicteen Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 39
Loc: Idaho Falls, Idaho
Hey buddy now your getting offensive. You have no right to say something like that. Why do you think that admiring someones personal belongings makes it flirting. You know what plain and simple YOUR AN ASS
_________________________
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber. -Sir Winston Churchill

Top
#1099 - 10/16/07 12:36 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Satanicteen]
Satanicteen Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 39
Loc: Idaho Falls, Idaho
Anton felt strongly about what he did. It was his passion. Sure he gained a little money and fame, but he love what he did.
_________________________
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber. -Sir Winston Churchill

Top
#1103 - 10/16/07 01:26 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Satanicteen]
Woland Moderator Offline
Seasoned
active member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 764
Loc: Oslo, Norway
 Originally Posted By: Satanicteen
Hey buddy now your getting offensive. You have no right to say something like that. Why do you think that admiring someones personal belongings makes it flirting. You know what plain and simple YOUR AN ASS


I would have to agree with ta2zz on this subject.
We strongly recommend that young people educate themselves before posting in the forum.
One-liners and "I agree" are only fit to provoke the less forgiving of our crowd...
A sound advice is to read more and write less.
If you decide to offer your opinions in writing, then you better be prepared.
You will more often than not be challenged on context, grammar, quality of argument etc.
We generally cut young people some slack, as you might conclude by the cleverly disguised gentleness of ta2zz reply.
Yet; at some point people will simply get fed up.

One-liners belong in chat...

Good luck!

_________________________
Regards

Woland

Contra Mundum!

Top
#1104 - 10/16/07 01:34 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Satanicteen]
MCSA TEK Offline
pledge


Registered: 09/13/07
Posts: 97
Loc: Orlando Fl USA
 Originally Posted By: Satanicteen
Hey buddy now your getting offensive. You have no right to say something like that. Why do you think that admiring someones personal belongings makes it flirting. You know what plain and simple YOUR AN ASS


Ta2zz is exactly right. Sadly there is nothing left of the old forum for us to show you as an example of the way things used to be. People would put real thought into the majority of their responses. Yes there were fun threads meant for messing around, but for the most part, things were held to a much higher standard. You would come here looking forward to reading the new posts because you knew they would be interesting or entertaining.

The bar was held very high. Those who couldn't reason, or follow rules were quickly banned. And the old forum had pages and pages, and pages of banned members who were listed in a "hall of shame" area.

You should be smart. You should have educated opinions about things in life that you see or read about. Post them. Read something that makes you think, or that makes you angry? Share it with us. By doing your part to keep the forum interesting, you improve the site for us all.

Your Problem is that you read T's response and instead of giving it honest consideration, you became offended. One of the biggest dangers a satanist has is the prideful inability to identify our own flaws and shortcomings. In other words, every criticism is a gift. It allows us a rare limps of how others see us and gives us a chance to see kinks in our armor.

Chris
_________________________
Read about this great Patriot and Vote!
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Top
#1105 - 10/16/07 01:41 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Satanicteen]
ta2zz Offline
veteran member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1552
Loc: Connecticut
 Originally Posted By: Satanicteen
Hey buddy now your getting offensive. You have no right to say something like that. Why do you think that admiring someones personal belongings makes it flirting.


My bad to an adult flirting is neither embarrassing nor offensive at all...

 Quote:
You know what plain and simple YOUR AN ASS


I have been called worse by better, and better by worse… You are simply over emotional about my opinion…

 Quote:
Anton felt strongly about what he did. It was his passion. Sure he gained a little money and fame, but he love what he did.


Your feelings are not evidence… No matter what you or I feel we cannot truly know anything that went on in Mr. LaVey’s head…

I did make you think… Why in your last two posts you used almost as many words as all of your previous posts… Now if you could have worked that into a single post we would be getting somewhere…

Thanks

~T~


Edited by ta2zz (10/16/07 01:43 PM)
Edit Reason: format
_________________________
We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams. ~Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy

Top
#1117 - 10/16/07 07:02 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: ta2zz]
Asmedious Moderator Offline
Moderator
senior member


Registered: 09/02/07
Posts: 1751
Loc: New York
 Quote:
I am Impressed with your chain Asmedious. I wish to own one like yours. (buy one)


She's hot, I'd buy her one myself.

 Quote:
I like your suit Asmedious. Very subperb indeed. (flirting)


Mmmmm, that's right, and I'm a lucky guy.


 Quote:
Asmediuos, you are quite the crazy one. *smiles* crazy (see above)


Seeing above, and still liking it.

Pray for me, I'm sinning in my mind.
_________________________
"The first order of government is the protection of its citizens right to be left alone."

Top
#1134 - 10/17/07 08:23 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: MCSA TEK]
Satanicteen Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 39
Loc: Idaho Falls, Idaho
The only reason i even entered this chat was to learn some stuff, i learned what i said from YOU guys.
if i was made out to be an idot, then its thanx to you. T2azz i watch your posts you seem like a smart guy, i have been learning form you.. and mcsa tek i have read what you have written and his criticism no longer makes me mad, i have taken what youve said into consideration. My Apologies.

Asmedious does not mind my flirting.

Sorry about the wrong spelling of your name ta2zz (in my last post oops)

Edit by Woland:

I have taken the liberty of merging your last three posts into one. They were posted within a five minute range which made it possible for you to use the "edit button" if you needed to add something. Please refrain from multiposting one-liners.

Have a nice day.


_________________________
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber. -Sir Winston Churchill

Top
#1144 - 10/17/07 10:27 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Satanicteen]
ta2zz Offline
veteran member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1552
Loc: Connecticut
No one said you were an idiot but then again you blaming your behavior on us is not in good form…

There is much yet to learn…

Peace

~T~
_________________________
We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams. ~Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy

Top
#1145 - 10/17/07 12:41 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: ta2zz]
Satanicteen Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 39
Loc: Idaho Falls, Idaho
Well Ta2zz that is why I am learning from you. Oh and I wasn’t blaming it on you I was just merely pointing out the fact that I am trying to learn from your posts

Thank you Woland for the edit


Edited by Satanicteen (10/17/07 12:43 PM)
_________________________
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber. -Sir Winston Churchill

Top
#1158 - 10/17/07 09:39 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: MCSA TEK]
Veldrin Offline
pledge


Registered: 10/04/07
Posts: 55
Loc: Melbourne, Australia.
 Originally Posted By: MCSA TEK

Ta2zz is exactly right. Sadly there is nothing left of the old forum for us to show you as an example of the way things used to be. People would put real thought into the majority of their responses. Yes there were fun threads meant for messing around, but for the most part, things were held to a much higher standard. You would come here looking forward to reading the new posts because you knew they would be interesting or entertaining.

The bar was held very high. Those who couldn't reason, or follow rules were quickly banned. And the old forum had pages and pages, and pages of banned members who were listed in a "hall of shame" area.

Chris


Thats truth, I visited the old site quite a bit incognito. There's certainly a huge difference between the old and new 666, as an example I believe that on the old site an introduction post was considered pretty bad form.
Now we have an entire topic for it.

Think we got a PR update? But the "weak" shall be sifted out eventually and no doubt this forum will return the golden age that the previous 666 showed.

Top
#1170 - 10/18/07 08:48 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Veldrin]
Satanicteen Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 39
Loc: Idaho Falls, Idaho
Hall of Shame?? so you banned the stupid people
_________________________
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber. -Sir Winston Churchill

Top
#1172 - 10/18/07 09:18 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Satanicteen]
Veldrin Offline
pledge


Registered: 10/04/07
Posts: 55
Loc: Melbourne, Australia.
Yeah, nothing wrong with banning the stupid.

Hall of shame : Pages of people banned for stupidity.

Is this surprising? Satanists do not suffer stupidity gladly, banning stupid people is the easiest, most efficient way to rid the forums of such behavior.

I think one of the people formerly banned made a topic about his ban. Check that to see why such methods were used.

Top
#1184 - 10/18/07 07:18 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Veldrin]
Fist Moderator Offline
veteran member


Registered: 08/31/07
Posts: 1453
Loc: B'mo Cautious MF
I like the Hall of Shame. It gives people an idea of what is tolerable behavior here.

At least Satanicteen has the good sense to offer full disclosure. A lot of people her age have posted here and tried to come off as something they are not.
_________________________
I am the Devil and I am here to do the Devil's work.

Top
#1195 - 10/19/07 07:39 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Fist]
Satanicteen Offline
stranger


Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 39
Loc: Idaho Falls, Idaho
Thank you Fist. I do not like the people who play themselves to be someone that they are not. .... Pointless

I am going to try my best to not be one in the Hall of Shame. I must keep myself out


Edited by Satanicteen (10/19/07 07:40 AM)
_________________________
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber. -Sir Winston Churchill

Top
#1229 - 10/22/07 07:46 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Veldrin]
fakepropht Moderator Offline
Big Slick
active member


Registered: 08/29/07
Posts: 990
Loc: Texas
As a moderator, I have been very lenient towards what I have allowed to be posted and remain. I have only take this tact as a method of populating this site with users and posts. No one wants to frequent a site where maybe one new post or thread is shared a week. I only speak for myself in this matter and not the rest of the Admin or Moderators. I am pretty sure in the future, the reins will be tightened and the levels raised. I believe the ball has already started rolling.
_________________________
Beer, the reason I get up every afternoon.

Top
#1282 - 10/27/07 07:32 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: fakepropht]
Meq Offline
Banned
active member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 861
 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
I believe the ball has already started rolling.

Any clue as to how long that may take?
It would be great to see enough quality posts to make moderation more helpful.
The forum seems somewhat quiet lately, though perhaps that is just my perception of things...

And to add - why so many online but so few in the chatroom?


Edited by Paula (10/27/07 07:34 PM)
Edit Reason: Chat room

Top
#1283 - 10/27/07 11:43 PM Ooo online satanic principles. [Re: fakepropht]
Dakindas Offline
stranger


Registered: 10/20/07
Posts: 24
Loc: The Web
Heya fake,

There are a handful of forums out yonder that don't moderate their content at all (there are some exceptions, spam is one) although they do use a rating system whereby a user can give negative points to a post which reflects on the author and when a certain threshold of negativity is reached their replies aren't seen at all unless you manually change (lower) the view rating you wish to be exposed to.

Anyway, that is prone to some organised abuse potentially but it generally does a fine job of organically moderating the site. The creme tend to float to full visibility while the inane is rendered, for the most part, invisible. Who determines that? Anarchy does, it's interesting to note that users with significantly differing opinions are among the high visibility creme, that it doesn't create a real hegemony of opinion. Monopolies tend to require more than just coercive force after all. .

I should add that the only forum rule of the few there are worth considering is that you may not start a thread yourself based on an opinion or question unless it is in article form. The most common thread starts are thus news items from both mainstream and alternative, professional and amature (blogs) which can be reproduced in full so long as the original third party source is linked and the title of the thread is not changed from the original source. The 'opinion party' begins after the article is down and that's where the 'natural order' i spoke of earlier comes into play.

It's an interesting system anyway.

I have nothing to really say about the 600 club on this issue because i think you guys do a fine job anyway.

Carry on.
_________________________
Qui Bono?

Top
#1392 - 11/03/07 05:45 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Euronymous]
Euronymous Offline
stranger


Registered: 08/31/07
Posts: 46
Loc: san diego, ca
Woops....messed up there. Anyways, hello all, I just returned from being out of town on businsess purposes and I wanted to say to Venger that he was sadly mistaken if he thought my comment of praise was meant for him. Clearly, it was meant for MCSA TEK as ta2zz pointed out. Hope all is well with everyone.
_________________________
" And in the secret caves of my wisdom, it is known that there is no God but Me. "

Top
#2434 - 11/30/07 03:37 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Galt]
Ordellani Offline
stranger


Registered: 11/29/07
Posts: 20
Loc: Australia
It's common sense. Nothing more nothing less.

From an essay I wrote:

 Quote:
It's quite simple. The masses are stupid and are frequently uneducated when it comes to debating points about Satanism. They simply set their "goals" to simply fool rubes and besmirch true Satanism. They proclaim they don't care, yet they can't stop proclaiming their detest and hatred for these Satanic individuals, and can't stop discussing about them.

People get to defencive. When their honor and dignity is challenged, they break-down like a small child without its lolli-pop. They begin with minor character-attacks, then they begin to realize the error of their ways, but they still do not do anything about it. Why? Because they are ignorant. Responsbility to the responsible.

We place ourselves above society. Because we hold ourselves as the higher-esteem insteading wasting our lives by defining some supernatural-entity to be our Masters. Life doesn't work like that. Reality is: we're born, we live, we die. Satanism requires study, not worship. It would be mainstream for Satanism to be the actual worship of the Christian Devil or Satan. Even more so, it would be stupid.

The fact is Satanists just want to be left alone. We don't go out of our way to attack any other organisation unless we are attacked in the first place. We tend to keep to ourselves and not waste our lives by ranting on about points in Satanism, nor do we want to continue debating Satanism with pseudo-intellectual hypocrites who are only out to stir the pot.

They walk into a vipers nest then complain because they got bitten. It's their fault, and we're not going to take responsibility or the consequences of their actions. If they want to attack, by all means, let them at it - but at the end of the day we are the Alien Elite because we study, we live our lives, we embrace the things in this world that mean most to us - we don't put anyone or anything else before us. We accept and understand responsibility and the consequences of our actions.

Mainstream religion is delusional and hypocritical. Satanists are NOT mainstream - we are the Elite, The Mighty, The Gods of our domain, the makers and the breakers of our lives.


We put number one first. First and foremost.
_________________________
Founder - Ordellani Studios

Top
#2443 - 11/30/07 02:48 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Ordellani]
Morgan Offline
Princess of Hell
stalker


Registered: 08/29/07
Posts: 2956
Loc: New York City
"Mainstream religion is delusional and hypocritical. Satanists are NOT mainstream - we are the Elite, The Mighty, The Gods of our domain, the makers and the breakers of our lives."

True, mainstream religion maybe delusional and hypocritical but it supplies/serves as a security blanket to the masses. Some big god daddy figure is watching out for them and keeping them safe now and forever.

Have you met a lot of Satanists?
Most on utube, in jail, in some grottos, and spewing nonsense on the web are far from Elite, they give the smaller minority of us a bad name.

Just more black sheep. A black sheep is still a sheep.

You are Elite by what you accomplish in real life, not by what you say on the net.

If you have to say you are Elite, then your not.

Morg
_________________________
Courage Conquering Fear
Fuck em if they can't take a joke
Don't Like What I Say, Kiss My Ass



Top
#2453 - 11/30/07 08:48 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Morgan]
Asmedious Moderator Offline
Moderator
senior member


Registered: 09/02/07
Posts: 1751
Loc: New York
 Quote:
Satanists are NOT mainstream - we are the Elite, The Mighty, The Gods of our domain, the makers and the breakers of our lives."


and we don't care if we are living in our parent's basement, as we contemplate world domination. Although we can't stay up too late doing it, because the Egg McMuffins have to be ready to be served fresh every morning! \:D
_________________________
"The first order of government is the protection of its citizens right to be left alone."

Top
#2457 - 11/30/07 10:03 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Asmedious]
Nemesis Offline
senior member


Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 2175
Loc: US
Hey, have to get there before 10:30! Or 11am on Sundays...and don't forget the hashbrowns. They're the best.

I think the majority of Satanists (myself included) have a bad habit of patting themselves on the back over trivial successes, ie, a distasteful or generally unpleasant coworker/rival being fired or cut out of our lives. How often are any of us directly responsible for that? Money coming into our lives. Did we just play the lotto and hope for the best? Or did we carefully execute a plan of action to minimize any resulting errors? Sometimes it's hard to say. A blurred line between calculation and chance.

True, we generally have a leg up on the majority of the population, in that we deign to think (to paraphrase an over-used term) "outside the bun", to be realists and to keep an objective view on things. But how far does this really get us? That's up the individual, of course. One's vision of success is another's nightmare of failure.
_________________________
Nothing is sacred.

Top
#2542 - 12/04/07 01:35 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Galt]
Enslaved Offline
stranger


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 5
Loc: KCMO
 Quote:
How do you use satanic principles ?



If you have to ask you will never know. Be a catalyst for change in your world. Be the master of your destiny. But don't ask how to be what you already are. Using satanic "principles?" should come naturally to a satanist.

Top
#3297 - 01/10/08 11:39 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Galt]
Franky 666 Offline
stranger


Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 12
Loc: Germany
In northern germany, many people lives like satanists but they claim to be christians :-D. They scream, if anyone calls himself as a satanist

Personally, the satanic rules are the natural rules without religiously waste. It is impossible to my mind to avoid them. 3 years ago I bought the Satanic Bible and did read it critical but I found there my opinions. This was the end of my christian ideas. I opened my bin bucket to throw the christian bible (the big liar!) away. I filled the gap with the Satanic Bible.
Lavey said: live=evil!!!

I hope, Satanism will never be mainstream. It is just made for the elite of mankind and not for all the slaves from any external gods. For me, there is no reason to split up my mind into two components named "myself" and "god".
It's not like chart music. The first week it the best of all and in the next week it is replaced completely by another religion. It is a part of life and should be choosen careful.
_________________________
!!!Hail Satan!!!
Sorry about my bad English, I'm trying not to make any mistakes in grammar.

Top
#62881 - 12/23/11 11:42 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Euronymous]
TwIzT Offline
member


Registered: 12/21/11
Posts: 127
There are no principles.

If you need someone to tell you how to act to be Satanic obviously you haven't got it and you are merley trying to viel your mundaneness. Rules do not make you Satanic, you must evolve into that form of human on your own accord and that is a task noone can help you with. They might tell you of a method to get there but that is just the beggining to steer you in the right direction.

There are a set of likeable ethics and traits that most of us carry but everyone is different and there's no need for a uniform design to each of us. Sure you can take that design and I will see it for what it is.

Do not restrict yourselve evolve.
_________________________
We are all the lab mice bred for one purpose to run the wheel to power america. Cheeze controls us.

Top
#62911 - 12/24/11 07:11 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: TwIzT]
TV is God Moderator Offline
Moderator
member


Registered: 08/11/08
Posts: 273
Loc: The Cornhole
 Originally Posted By: TwIzT
If you need someone to tell you how to act to be Satanic obviously you haven't got it

Why do you speak of principles as if they have to be told to you? Principles are just the conditions you live by. You can quite easily define them for yourself.
 Originally Posted By: TwIzT
Do not restrict yourselve evolve.

You do realize this is a principle right?

Top
#62922 - 12/25/11 01:53 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: TV is God]
TwIzT Offline
member


Registered: 12/21/11
Posts: 127
I said there are no principles, the wind tells me that. Why have principles and fall into a normal lifestyle.

But to remain on topic. It's the best I can come up with. Everyone is different and has different principles no one way is the left way. So to sum it all up I think that statement applies best, even if it is a bit odd.


Edited by TwIzT (12/25/11 01:58 AM)
_________________________
We are all the lab mice bred for one purpose to run the wheel to power america. Cheeze controls us.

Top
#62923 - 12/25/11 02:24 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: TwIzT]
TV is God Moderator Offline
Moderator
member


Registered: 08/11/08
Posts: 273
Loc: The Cornhole
Why are you equating having principles and having a normal lifestyle? And first you say there are none, and then you say not to have them. Well how could you have them if there are none to begin with?

And then you say everyone is different and has different principles (which indicates the existence of principles and everyone having them.)

Is it your goal to contradict yourself as much and as quickly as possible? You seem to love saying two opposite things in one breath.

Also, the wind?

Top
#62927 - 12/25/11 03:22 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: TV is God]
ta2zz Offline
veteran member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1552
Loc: Connecticut
General reply,

The wind tells me this is hardly worth necroposting a 4 year dead thread over. But please dont stop now it is getting interesting.

~T~
_________________________
We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams. ~Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy

Top
#63082 - 12/28/11 03:29 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: ta2zz]
manofsteel Offline
member


Registered: 05/08/10
Posts: 153
Loc: Indiana U.S.
It is only getting interesting because people all have their own idea on life and Satanism. Some are far off of what some of us might consider normal but what the hell, it's their take. All I can say is if you want to live life to it's fullest as a satanist than just live it your way and fuck the responses. It's all about being yourself and your own person. Quit worrying about trying to fit in with the crowd..... Good luck and be happy with who you are.
_________________________
Amongst the sheep emerges a wolf.

Top
#63118 - 12/29/11 09:16 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: manofsteel]
when7iseleven Offline
member


Registered: 07/11/11
Posts: 200
Loc: High Peak, UK
Don't like the word "Principles" as to me it sounds lime something that needs to written down, something I must read everyday just to make sure I'm sticking to my Satanic Principles; well I do need to be a good Satanist don't I?

Satanism is a way you live your life, your perspective on life & how interact with it & like anything in life it must evolve, it must change or you'll very quickly get bored of it & it will become useless; if I wanted rules I'd become a christian or even a LaVeyan!

On a practical level my Satanism works for me everyday; I work as salesman & enjoy the fact that a sales environment is a true meritocracy. I either do my job & sell or I'm out; there's no union to look after me, there's no dweeble contract protecting my rights if I don't cut the mustard.....it's succeed or fail with no middle ground. I do have a support team to help me with big bids, but the sale has my name on it; success or failure is down to my skill & my knoweledge, I stand or fall by what I do.

Being good at what I do allows me to live the life I want to lead in the way I want to lead it.
_________________________
There but for the Grace of I go I

Top
#63190 - 12/31/11 03:18 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: when7iseleven]
manofsteel Offline
member


Registered: 05/08/10
Posts: 153
Loc: Indiana U.S.
Principles don't need to be written down, it's the way that you treat people or the way you make sure you kiss your kids goodbye everyday. It's the simple things that I as a human feel that I must do. Even a wild animal has some principles, they protect their young and hunt for food to feed them. It's just the rules we live by, you can call them what you want but we all have some guidelines that we expect people to follow when dealing with our close ones. It's not about the wording but everone has boundaries of some sort. Maybe a principle gave you a spankin and you have hard feelings. Just fuckin with ya. Thinkin outloud.
_________________________
Amongst the sheep emerges a wolf.

Top
#63210 - 12/31/11 12:23 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Galt]
Luciferianhereti Offline
stranger


Registered: 12/23/11
Posts: 21
I would gladly take part in the many debates that occurred in the last three pages of this topic but, I will focus on answering the main idea brought by "Galt" ''How do you implement the ideas of Satanism in your daily life?''

In my opinion, Satanism and Luciferianism are philosophy(s) constructed around knowledge, Wisdom and Freedom. We are "beings" that evolve in a world we merely understand, we truly are living "the paradise lost" of John Milton... We are born in a realm completely unknown to us.

Satanism (in my opinion) is very close to the path/journey of the philosopher. You are constantly in the void, exploring what seems negative to the collectivity, delving in obscure concepts to gain a certain knowledge.

For me, Satanism is something you feel, it is present and powerful. I try to understand these feelings daily by meditations, forest wandering. Maybe this is only an inner motivation and I am completely off-track but, that's how I would define it. Feeling strong.

I agree with Morgan, we should always aim for excellence and godhood, it is what I aim for, reach a certain form of illumination throughout the darknkess (or the black flame).

Thank you.
_________________________
"You shall find your darkness stands on a thread of pinhole light"

Top
#64263 - 02/01/12 11:55 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: TV is God]
TwIzT Offline
member


Registered: 12/21/11
Posts: 127
Are you really going to make me put a invalid response to my valid response... They're more like guidelines anyways, just be the one someone of you not the one someone said was you.

1. Respect not pity or weakness, for they are a disease which makes sick the strong.
2. Test always your strength, for therein lies success.
3. Seek happiness in victory - but never in peace.
4. Enjoy a short rest, better than a long.
5. Come as a reaper, for thus you will sow.
6. Never love anything so much you cannot see it die.
7. Build not upon sand, but upon rock And build not for today or yesterday but for all time.
8. Strive ever for more, for conquest is never done.
9. And die rather than submit.
10. Forge not works of art but swords of death, for therein lies great art.
11. Learn to raise yourself above yourself so you can triumph over all.
12. The blood of the living makes good fertilizer for the seeds of the new.
13. He who stands atop the highest pyramid of skulls can see the furthest.
14. Discard not love but treat it as an imposter, but ever be just.
15. All that is great is built upon sorrow.
16. Strive not only forwards, but upwards for greatness lies in the highest.
17. Come as a fresh strong wind that breaks yet also creates.
18. Let love of life be a goal but let your highest goal be greatness.
19. Nothing is beautiful except man: but most beautiful of all is woman.
20. Reject all illusion and lies, for they hinder the strong.
21. What does not kill, makes stronger.


Edited by TwIzT (02/01/12 11:59 PM)
_________________________
We are all the lab mice bred for one purpose to run the wheel to power america. Cheeze controls us.

Top
#64269 - 02/02/12 12:07 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: TwIzT]
Sorcerer Offline
Banned
stranger


Registered: 10/31/11
Posts: 23
 Originally Posted By: TwIzT

1. Respect not pity or weakness, for they are a disease which makes sick the strong.
2. Test always your strength, for therein lies success.
3. Seek happiness in victory - but never in peace.
4. Enjoy a short rest, better than a long.
5. Come as a reaper, for thus you will sow.
6. Never love anything so much you cannot see it die.
7. Build not upon sand, but upon rock And build not for today or yesterday but for all time.
8. Strive ever for more, for conquest is never done.
9. And die rather than submit.
10. Forge not works of art but swords of death, for therein lies great art.
11. Learn to raise yourself above yourself so you can triumph over all.
12. The blood of the living makes good fertilizer for the seeds of the new.
13. He who stands atop the highest pyramid of skulls can see the furthest.
14. Discard not love but treat it as an imposter, but ever be just.
15. All that is great is built upon sorrow.
16. Strive not only forwards, but upwards for greatness lies in the highest.
17. Come as a fresh strong wind that breaks yet also creates.
18. Let love of life be a goal but let your highest goal be greatness.
19. Nothing is beautiful except man: but most beautiful of all is woman.
20. Reject all illusion and lies, for they hinder the strong.
21. What does not kill, makes stronger.


^^ These are good. However, even if you swagger across the earth and live by all of these aphorisms, at the end of it all you will most surely die and dissolve into the Void, having never been more than a mite upon a mote in an unimaginably vast cosmos. This is where the Satanic paradigm always fails for me, because no matter how hard I try, I cannot convince myself that I or any other man will ever amount to anything in the cosmic scheme of things. Self-deification therefore seems as absurd and delusional as submission to God. And this realization, I suspect, is at the root of the anti-Satanic religions and explains their universal appeal. Isn't religion, almost by definition, a recognition that there is something greater than yourself of value in this world?


Edited by Sorcerer (02/02/12 12:35 PM)

Top
#64270 - 02/02/12 12:38 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Sorcerer]
William Wright Offline
active member


Registered: 10/25/09
Posts: 863
Loc: Nashville
 Originally Posted By: Sorcerer
I cannot convince myself that I or any other man will ever amount to anything in the cosmic scheme of things. Self-deification therefore seems as absurd and delusional as submission to God.

It depends on how you define self-deification. For me, self-deification simply means determining the course of my life to the extent that I can. I hold no delusions about my significance, or lack thereof, in the whole scheme of things. This is why my objective in life is not to change the world but to take responsibility for my world, my life. And I know I’m not always going to get it right, but I do want to be consistently moving in the direction of making smarter choices, choices that benefit me and those I care about. It’s all I can do.
_________________________
In Minecraft all chickens are spies.

Top
#64278 - 02/02/12 06:48 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Sorcerer]
Autodidact Offline
member


Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 428
 Originally Posted By: Sorcerer
This is where the Satanic paradigm always fails for me, because no matter how hard I try, I cannot convince myself that I or any other man will ever amount to anything in the cosmic scheme of things.


Who in the grand scheme of things, other than yourself, is judging what you "amount to"? Assuming you name a name, why, exactly, is it of paramount importance to you how they judge you in this context?

 Originally Posted By: Sorcerer
Isn't religion, almost by definition, a recognition that there is something greater than yourself of value in this world?


No. Religion is believing, as opposed to recognizing, that there is someone that is superior to you, so much so that you worship he/she/it unquestioningly.
_________________________
An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur?

Top
#64294 - 02/03/12 06:27 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Autodidact]
tuathacoagula Offline
stranger


Registered: 03/20/11
Posts: 24
Loc: Japan
I am going to attempt to answer Galt's first post with my own point of view.

How do I use Satanic Principles? I believe I have posted before that the essence for self-realisation within Satanism can be found in education.

Education can be used to inform an individual about their chosen path and the choices made by others. An example could be the continual study and interrogation of one's own 'Satanic concepts' and what they mean on a personal level. It could also mean the continued widening of one's view toward other 'opposed' concepts. I am thinking religous and faith-based choices, what shapes those choices, and the impact they have had on a broader societal level.

One could argue that this is very funadmental, perhaps a 'given'. Yet if one does not take opportunities to critique the actions they perfom and the context within which they are acted out, one could -as TwIzT has noted- be "building on sand".

From an informed and critically reflective position (informed by Satanic Prinicples) I believe that positive action can be made toward realising one's own Godhood. However, internalising this and short-circuiting the level of procrastination that it sometimes leaves me with is an ongoing point of development.

Top
#64298 - 02/03/12 02:59 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Sorcerer]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
 Quote:
However, even if you swagger across the earth and live by all of these aphorisms, at the end of it all you will most surely die and dissolve into the Void, having never been more than a mite upon a mote in an unimaginably vast cosmos.

The acting and making a change in the cosmos is not of importance. Hell, even having your name hung on a street or in books referred isn't. The importance lays in the personal development, the individual. If there is a change to occur by your action, the better, but it is not of importance.

 Quote:
This is where the Satanic paradigm always fails for me, because no matter how hard I try, I cannot convince myself that I or any other man will ever amount to anything in the cosmic scheme of things. Self-deification therefore seems as absurd and delusional as submission to God.

The Satanic paradigm involves action. The LHP has no straight goal, it's more how to cope and succesfully use made choices in life. A goal is self-chosen. Self-deification was never of importance, but it can have its use.
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#64299 - 02/03/12 07:49 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
The Zebu Offline
senior member


Registered: 08/08/08
Posts: 1647
Loc: Orlando, FL
 Quote:
The Satanic paradigm involves action. The LHP has no straight goal, it's more how to cope and succesfully use made choices in life. A goal is self-chosen. Self-deification was never of importance, but it can have its use.


I've always seen self-deification as more of a point of view enabling the individual to think outside the box-- to be active and assume the role of the God that the RHP initiate would otherwise be submissive to. It's something more practical than trying to metaphysically transform yourself into a transdimensional comet-wielding demiurge or something like that.


Edited by The Zebu (02/03/12 07:50 PM)
_________________________
«Recibe, ¡oh Lucifer! la sangre de esta víctima que sacrifico en tu honor.»

Top
#64805 - 02/23/12 10:54 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Sorcerer]
TwIzT Offline
member


Registered: 12/21/11
Posts: 127
 Quote:


^^ These are good. However, even if you swagger across the earth and live by all of these aphorisms, at the end of it all you will most surely die and dissolve into the Void, having never been more than a mite upon a mote in an unimaginably vast cosmos. This is where the Satanic paradigm always fails for me, because no matter how hard I try, I cannot convince myself that I or any other man will ever amount to anything in the cosmic scheme of things. Self-deification therefore seems as absurd and delusional as submission to God. And this realization, I suspect, is at the root of the anti-Satanic religions and explains their universal appeal. Isn't religion, almost by definition, a recognition that there is something greater than yourself of value in this world?

And how would you rather die? Not swaggering the across the earth, but bouncing across the land in your little protection bubble with not a care in the world. With dreams and hopes of growing larger than a flea, and a small chance of your whisper being heard through the cosmo's. With noone to hear, it's but an echo.

Go on living your careful life and die of old age. In your box of a house, where your planets aligned and the cosmos was made. Only to have your book be read with a flip of the page.


Edited by TwIzT (02/23/12 11:00 AM)
_________________________
We are all the lab mice bred for one purpose to run the wheel to power america. Cheeze controls us.

Top
#64811 - 02/23/12 02:05 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: The Zebu]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
 Quote:
I've always seen self-deification as more of a point of view enabling the individual to think outside the box-- to be active and assume the role of the God that the RHP initiate would otherwise be submissive to. It's something more practical than trying to metaphysically transform yourself into a transdimensional comet-wielding demiurge or something like that.

I don't really do self-deification nor do I see it as a viewing point since it skews a bit the perception of things how they are.
What I do is actively seeking out those things which seem to oppose me and blend into it for a periode of time until the mental dust has settled and the emotional feeling created by that opposition has ceased to be.

To give it with an example: If I felt opposed and have strong sentiments towards, for instance, National Socialism and Extreme right ideology instead of proclaiming the evil they are I'll try to read up on it and blend in with those in support by trying to stay as objective as possible. A mental and emotional challenge that will only end when knee-jerk reactions by triggerwords cease to be or if I have a firm (or basic) understanding. This most of the time helps in discussions and causes me to take a position outside the box by knowing and understanding what the goals and aims of both parties are. Or in short: I try to overcome. It is hardly self-deitification.
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#64823 - 02/23/12 09:54 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
The Zebu Offline
senior member


Registered: 08/08/08
Posts: 1647
Loc: Orlando, FL
I think you've hit it on the head, actually. The LHP is all about reconciling opposites. Self-deification, in this context, is useful to the person just beginning to break free of religious dogma. It is, essentially, a counterbalance to the notion of being submissive to a God. Naturally it will not be particularly useful to one who has already moved past this phase of initiation-- which is in turn, a continuous process of self-overcoming.
_________________________
«Recibe, ¡oh Lucifer! la sangre de esta víctima que sacrifico en tu honor.»

Top
#64858 - 02/25/12 09:36 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: The Zebu]
riasb Offline
stranger


Registered: 02/24/12
Posts: 18
Loc: New Hampshire
Thank you. I love to fuck and Satan gives me the freedom to explore my natural sexuality. I am willing to learn and I have read a bit of the Satanic Bible.
I too was brought up Catholic, but I have thought of the power of Satan since a little child. I never believed the shit about the bread and wine, actually being that body blood and divinity? BS plain and simple and now I can say this with freedom and authority. Also confession to a pedifile, I think not. I have nothing to confess any longer.
_________________________
May Darkness comfort you. Hail Satan.

Top
#75474 - 03/22/13 08:29 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Euronymous]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
I try my best to live by what I believe Satanic philosophies should be(not the "Satanic" bible). One of the 21 Satanic Points is "let love of life be a goal, but let your highest goal be greatness"...I don't advocate all 21 points, but this one I do like a lot...it is also how I decided my personal philosophies for a Satanic pathway.

They are not meant to be based around human nature, or things that are naturally done necessarily...they are centered around not only happiness, but personal accomplishment and traits of mental strength. I don't buy the idea of not trying to live by philosophies, because if philosophies are centered around strength and accomplishment you SHOULD try to live by them, to attain the abilities,traits etc that you can get from them. However, pursue them because you see the value not just because they are written in a book. For me..these are my personal philosophies and how I apply them to life

I-Ideal of Truth..seek to know the truth, don't lie to yourself......The main way I apply this by making sure I know what my abilities really are, and not telling myself I can do what I can't yet..I deal with truth relating to them. If I don't have a way to test them, I form opinions based on what I know, but don't accept them as fact until I can test them.

II-Ideal of Mental Freedom...choose your own path, choose your own views, goals and understand the reasons why you believe what you do and understand knowledge that is important to you............This is just mental, I make sure I know the reasons behind my views, and I make sure I understand things that I use in achieving my goals or that I am interested in(know they are true,know the reasons why they work not just accepting them blindly)

III-Ideal of Equality...racial,gender,sexuality etc, don't judge people for what they can't help.....mental as well, I just believe in it. I won't dislike someone for something they can't help, I believe we all deserve equal opportunity in life, as well as equal punishments. I reject all sexist,racist,homophobic ideologies and believe them to be stupid and ignorant.

IV-Ideal of Self Respect...pursuing things for your own personal glory, not for the approval of another...having a "fuck you" attitude towards those who don't like you, regardless of who they are..if people don't care about you, don't care about them........just a mentality, like the first 3

V-Ideal of Conviction...be open about who you are, be strong in your convictions(in some situations,keeping things private is understandable, but being open is always respectable

VI-Ideal of Death/Antifear...die before giving up your path, seek to overcome fears and do what you do despite threats...haven't had very many chances to apply this one, but I seek to rise to the occasion if I need to, but hopefully it doesn't come down to the death level...I do however, seek to overcome fears that I have

VII-Ideal of Awareness/Mental Strength..be aware of the world, don't isolate yourself..be mentally strong,be able to overcome trauma and able to overcome obstacles that get in your way...I haven't endured any serious trauma in life, but have encountered many obstacles in pursuit of my goals(not being able to find opportunities) but I continue to pursue them until they are reached..when they are reached, I will seek to keep my abilities where they are.

VIII-Ideal of Anti...be willing to rebel and go against the grain, don't seek to make others see your way, don't seek the approval of others just be as you are and keep only those who accept you around, judge goals by accomplishment value not how they are perceived by society, see merit in sticking by your views despite backlash, mockery by morons etc.....a mentality, just like most of them are.

IX-Ideal of Spirituality...seek a spiritual connection with your gods......I will personally admit I'm weak in this area, my #1 way of doing this was through night walks through forests(but I live in the desert now)..I am researching ideas for connection rituals I could try out to see if they work for me(just for connection, not spells I don't believe those to be effective and think their aims are things that should be done physically anyway)

X-Ideal of Accountability...there's no accomplishment or pride in what you don't earn,you have choices, take responsibility for your own lives...another mental one,just a way I think....I don't see accomplishment value in something unless I earned it on my own merits..and I believe success is my responsibility

XI-Ideal of Pride...have pride in your goals, seek to reach high levels in them..pursue them for personal pride/glory...my #1 goals are football related, I seek to be successful against the best of players, and I pursue them to be able to look on what I've done, and be proud of the skills I've attained.

Most of them are mental and are just ways of thinking, but in many ways most of them can be applied to action, and ones that are purely mental are often vital to success in what you pursue with action.

Top
#75542 - 03/25/13 08:04 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
 Quote:
III-Ideal of Equality...racial,gender,sexuality etc, don't judge people for what they can't help.....mental as well, I just believe in it. I won't dislike someone for something they can't help, I believe we all deserve equal opportunity in life, as well as equal punishments. I reject all sexist,racist,homophobic ideologies and believe them to be stupid and ignorant.

A fag is a fag and a nigger is a nigger. Everyone is different and distinctions should be made. Your last sentence is actually in contradiction with you ideal of equality. If it was truly upheld you'd say there's a disliking but will give it oppotunity to be without being condenscending.

 Quote:
IV-Ideal of Self Respect...pursuing things for your own personal glory, not for the approval of another...having a "fuck you" attitude towards those who don't like you, regardless of who they are..if people don't care about you, don't care about them........just a mentality, like the first 3

Is in contradiction with your III ideal.
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#75551 - 03/26/13 01:54 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
Some of the 21 Satanic points I use, some of them I find ridiculous and stupid. The ones I use are mainly just philosophies relating to bettering my abilities in areas of my personal goals.

The whole "won't amount to anything in the grand scheme of the universe" thing is asinine and ridiculous. If the entire planet of Earth disappeared it would have minimal impact on even the rest of the solar system's planets(just orbit patterns due to gravity).

How ridiculous is it to actually not pursue personal goals just because it doesn't impact the universe, it is physically impossible for what any of us do here to impact the universe if our whole planet's disappearance would minimally impact it.

The whole point of self-oriented philosophies is that it doesn't matter how you impact the Earth, much less the universe. It is about bettering yourself, your abilities, personal goals. Just worry about that. If you reach the highest level of your own goals, if you get to a point where you have world class skills in the area of your goal you are among the best in the world. That is all you can hope for.

The way it could have ultimate lasting impact is if you believe in an afterlife, and that things you do in life can give you eternal afterlife. That would atleast make it have lasting impact for you.


Edited by 334forwardspin (03/26/13 02:15 AM)

Top
#75552 - 03/26/13 02:05 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: The Zebu]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
I never understood the idea of following LaVeyanism to break free and not be submissive to a god because you don't need a religion to do that.

There is no need for religion unless you actually believe in a god, because to follow philosophies all you have to do is live by them.

I'm a Satanist, I believe in an actual Satan(though not the biblical one) which is why I chose the path. I chose it also because I believe in Satanic philosophy, however if the philosophy was all I believed in I would simply follow the philosophies, but not be a Satanist.

Theistic Satanists often like the idea of not being submissive to a god, as they see Satan as being a guider and liberator(like I do)rather than a master but they believe in an actual Satan and if they didn't, would just be atheists who followed Satanic philosophy.

To be free of submission to a god, you could just be an Atheist. You don't need a religion to do that, it is very easy.

Top
#75553 - 03/26/13 02:14 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
How is the last sentence contradictory? It says I reject racially and etc. oriented ideologies because they are stupid and ignorant. The ideal is about saying we should treat people the same. This makes no sense.

And how is ideal 4 in contradiction with ideal 3? You do know that ideal 3 means not disliking people BECAUSE OF their race right? I like some black people, I dislike some of them as well. I like them based on how they treat me, that's exactly how #3 says I should approach it.

If you think these are contradictory you don't understand what they mean

Top
#75555 - 03/26/13 03:38 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
Racially orientated ideologies, in your own words, are to be rejected and considered ignorant. This while you maintain an ideal of equality? It's plain and fucking senseless. If you would stay truth to your words you'd be giving it an evenly fair chance...

I believe a few of your proposed ideals just made quite a fail there... ;\)
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#75559 - 03/26/13 04:22 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Racially orientated ideologies, in your own words, are to be rejected and considered ignorant. This while you maintain an ideal of equality? It's plain and fucking senseless. If you would stay truth to your words you'd be giving it an evenly fair chance...

I believe a few of your proposed ideals just made quite a fail there... ;\)


Ideal of "equality" the way I intended it refers to the idea of races,genders etc being equal, that's it. It has nothing to do with giving everything I hear a fair chance, where the hell did you even get that from? I don't give racist based ideals a fair chance because I already know they're stupid, due to how fundamentally stupid racism is.

I'm not going to get into a debate about what "ideal of equality" should mean, because it should have been perfectly clear what I meant by it based on my description. I'm not going to waste precious seconds of life arguing over what that should mean, because it's just my chosen wording.

If you want to argue about my #3 ideal's validity, come up with a reason why you think racism is intelligent. Otherwise there's no point going further with it.

Top
#75561 - 03/26/13 04:41 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
 Quote:
Ideal of "equality" the way I intended it refers to the idea of races,genders etc being equal, that's it. It has nothing to do with giving everything I hear a fair chance, where the hell did you even get that from? I don't give racist based ideals a fair chance because I already know they're stupid, due to how fundamentally stupid racism is.

In this case I'm hinting your idea of "equality" should actually be one of conformity. Get it now?
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#75563 - 03/26/13 04:52 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
 Quote:
Ideal of "equality" the way I intended it refers to the idea of races,genders etc being equal, that's it. It has nothing to do with giving everything I hear a fair chance, where the hell did you even get that from? I don't give racist based ideals a fair chance because I already know they're stupid, due to how fundamentally stupid racism is.

In this case I'm hinting your idea of "equality" should actually be one of conformity. Get it now?


What does being anti-racism have to do with conformity, is it because racism is an idea seen as bad by most people? The idea of "always think the opposite of what society says, no matter what they say" should be named "the ideal of stupid". Don't bother trying to tell me that is what my #8 is saying either, because it isn't.

They are two separate ideas, I like or dislike people based character, not race. That has nothing to do with whether I conform to society or not, stay away from the shrooms.

Top
#75566 - 03/26/13 09:22 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
 Quote:
The idea of "always think the opposite of what society says, no matter what they say" should be named "the ideal of stupid". Don't bother trying to tell me that is what my #8 is saying either, because it isn't.

And here I was thinking Satan represents adversity and counter-culture. I'm not saying you should always think the opposite of what society thinks, just learn to think for yourself and dare to indulge into topics that are generally shunned or stigmatized as ignorant by society. The reason I was hinting towards "ideal of conformity" in your case was just for you conforming to societal standards and being led by it.

And I'm indeed going to point out your ideal number 8 has been contradicted by what you came to say. It's a plain fact, you noticed it, now do something about it.


Edited by Dimitri (03/26/13 09:25 AM)
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#75569 - 03/26/13 11:09 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
evilboy666 Offline
pledge


Registered: 09/29/12
Posts: 57
Loc: Texas
LaVey had some good guidelines. He had the idea that satanists should have an enviorment that helps their needs. This has been my main focus . I surround myself with things & people who help me get what I want. Actually becoming a satanist help me to move away from the things that were bad for me.
Top
#75570 - 03/26/13 01:38 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Conchis Offline
member


Registered: 12/16/11
Posts: 207
Loc: us
 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
They are two separate ideas, I like or dislike people based character, not race. That has nothing to do with whether I conform to society or not, stay away from the shrooms.

I would argue that racism certainly can have something to do with conformity. When you told us you were not racist you did not tell us why? The absence of an explanation as to why can (but not necessarily) point to a certain conformity with societies morals.

Saying that you only discriminate against someone based on their character not their race is all fine and dandy, and is an easy statement to make. The big question to answer is why?

-Do you only feel this way because acting any other way in modern society can be detrimental to ones ability to exist in many modern cultures?

-Do you feel this way because you find this belief to be a core aspect of your moral compass? If so why is this core to you?

Explaining why YOU try to be non-judgmental based on race, without falling back on the fact that racism is looked down upon by many societies, can be quite a task. Especially when humans tend to be "clickish" or seek out fellow tribesmen naturally. Throw into this the fact that there are some psychological and physical differences between different races and the water is further muddied.

My point is not that you should be racist, just that you should understand why you are not racist. You should be able to explain why your not racist while eliminating preconceptions about race forced upon you by society. Adversarial-ism does not always mean "do the opposite", it can also mean challenging societies preconceptions . Once challenged it is up to you to decide whether to conform or not, but that decision should be based on your conclusion not those thrust upon you by society.

So I ask why do YOU choose not discriminate based on race?

note: I don't personally advocate racism, but I do advocate understanding why one makes the decisions they do. As you analyze your reasons you may find that you conform more to common preconceptions than what you originally thought.

Top
#75574 - 03/26/13 10:20 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Conchis]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
 Originally Posted By: Conchis
 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
They are two separate ideas, I like or dislike people based character, not race. That has nothing to do with whether I conform to society or not, stay away from the shrooms.

I would argue that racism certainly can have something to do with conformity. When you told us you were not racist you did not tell us why? The absence of an explanation as to why can (but not necessarily) point to a certain conformity with societies morals.

Saying that you only discriminate against someone based on their character not their race is all fine and dandy, and is an easy statement to make. The big question to answer is why?

-Do you only feel this way because acting any other way in modern society can be detrimental to ones ability to exist in many modern cultures?

-Do you feel this way because you find this belief to be a core aspect of your moral compass? If so why is this core to you?

Explaining why YOU try to be non-judgmental based on race, without falling back on the fact that racism is looked down upon by many societies, can be quite a task. Especially when humans tend to be "clickish" or seek out fellow tribesmen naturally. Throw into this the fact that there are some psychological and physical differences between different races and the water is further muddied.

My point is not that you should be racist, just that you should understand why you are not racist. You should be able to explain why your not racist while eliminating preconceptions about race forced upon you by society. Adversarial-ism does not always mean "do the opposite", it can also mean challenging societies preconceptions . Once challenged it is up to you to decide whether to conform or not, but that decision should be based on your conclusion not those thrust upon you by society.

So I ask why do YOU choose not discriminate based on race?

note: I don't personally advocate racism, but I do advocate understanding why one makes the decisions they do. As you analyze your reasons you may find that you conform more to common preconceptions than what you originally thought.


I believe I said that it was because nobody chooses their race. I think racism is stupid because no one chooses their race, and it doesn't directly indicate traits I consider to be positive or negative, it's just skin color. That is also the view of general society, but in this case they are right. At a point in time where I live(the South) that wasn't the general view, I however still would have felt the same way about it back then.

Top
#75575 - 03/26/13 10:33 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
 Quote:
The idea of "always think the opposite of what society says, no matter what they say" should be named "the ideal of stupid". Don't bother trying to tell me that is what my #8 is saying either, because it isn't.

And here I was thinking Satan represents adversity and counter-culture. I'm not saying you should always think the opposite of what society thinks, just learn to think for yourself and dare to indulge into topics that are generally shunned or stigmatized as ignorant by society. The reason I was hinting towards "ideal of conformity" in your case was just for you conforming to societal standards and being led by it.

And I'm indeed going to point out your ideal number 8 has been contradicted by what you came to say. It's a plain fact, you noticed it, now do something about it.


I didn't notice that it's contradictory, I've just dealt with people like you before. People who twist things around just for the sake of picking something apart.

#8 just refers to not believing something simply because society believes it, and that things should not be judged by the way society views them, but by actual value and merit. Therefore, I would judge racist philosophies by their merit, and they have none. Society believing the same does not change that. It is still adversarial, because it is adversarial to the idea of society's judgment being the measure of something's value.

However, I knew you could try and construe it into it meaning "do whatever society says is bad" and that's what you did.

I don't go by society's view on things, I reject ideas that society holds just not that one. The reason, because racism has no merit. At one point, racism was widely believed where I live and now it isn't. It held no merit then, and it holds no merit now.

Top
#75579 - 03/26/13 11:20 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Triumphant777 Offline
pledge


Registered: 01/11/13
Posts: 50
Loc: United Kingdom
Equality does not exist. People are different, each with a different level of potential, innate curiosity, will power, skill set, education, and experience. Perhaps many of these criteria are not constant. But based on these some people are simply "more" than others. However none of these factors depend on race and to believe so would be simplistic. Genetic make up does play a role in intelligence, physical prowess, and many many aspects of each person. But none are restricted to a certain race.
_________________________
Be the spark that starts the flame.

Top
#75582 - 03/27/13 12:34 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Triumphant777]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
 Originally Posted By: Triumphant777
Equality does not exist. People are different, each with a different level of potential, innate curiosity, will power, skill set, education, and experience. Perhaps many of these criteria are not constant. But based on these some people are simply "more" than others. However none of these factors depend on race and to believe so would be simplistic. Genetic make up does play a role in intelligence, physical prowess, and many many aspects of each person. But none are restricted to a certain race.


Too much is being made of the whole "equality" thing. I just called it that because its the shortest thing I could think of that describes it and equality is often associated with race,gender etc.

As for genetics, well they do play a role in what we become but really not as much as many like to think. I suppose it depends on the skill, genetics matter more in some than others. Some people learn quicker, but in the end you can still learn and become very knowledgeable about whatever you want unless you have some disability. A bigger person may be at a genetic advantage in something like lifting, but a smaller person can still become stronger than most people are and if a bigger person doesn't exercise their muscles in some way they won't be stronger than someone who does.

We aren't born truly equal, but what we do in life has more impact on what we become than genetics. If it didn't, accomplishments wouldn't be worth much to me because it would just be the luck of being born a certain way rather than earning it.

Top
#75584 - 03/27/13 10:53 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
TwIzT Offline
member


Registered: 12/21/11
Posts: 127
I have yet to read anything about this post, but I believe this to be a bit on topic.

I woke up a couple days ago thinking about this exact subject and I thought to my self "This is indeed a great philosophy on life to follow." So for the remainder of the work day I applied it in a cause and effect type of way.

And the results are as follows:

I have a job of placing overstock items into a bin. A co-worker has the job of placing those items onto the sales-floor. My manager tells me to hurry up because we are behind in our tasks. So I bin the items quickly in the wrong bin which does not benefit said co-worker, and only helps me cut time. An exchange of words ensued with me continuing to place the items in the same spot only benefiting me.

The next task I have requires me to take items from the bin to the sales floor. The direct route to the bin crosses paths with said co-worker, which is not beneficial to his job. So after I grab the necessary items and take another route, which is a benefit to me in no way whatsoever resulting in wasting my time, I travel the store in a lost fashion transporting a wide load through tiny spaces.

In the end I helped someone and wasted a good portion of my time. The result was a lack in my performance.





Edited by TwIzT (03/27/13 11:11 AM)
_________________________
We are all the lab mice bred for one purpose to run the wheel to power america. Cheeze controls us.

Top
#75588 - 03/27/13 01:52 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
If I say it's contradictory to your idealof anti, I'm pointing straight at the displayed behavior and arguments which show otherwise. Perhaps you should try to listen to people like me who "twist words".. they actually do point at a flawed reasoning.

 Quote:
I don't go by society's view on things, I reject ideas that society holds just not that one. The reason, because racism has no merit. At one point, racism was widely believed where I live and now it isn't. It held no merit then, and it holds no merit now.

Racism isn't really a belief. But still you fail to argumentate/anticipate on its "why". The best thing offered is your agreement with the stance general society has taken which stands in contradiction with your ideal of "Anti".
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#75591 - 03/27/13 05:34 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
If I say it's contradictory to your idealof anti, I'm pointing straight at the displayed behavior and arguments which show otherwise. Perhaps you should try to listen to people like me who "twist words".. they actually do point at a flawed reasoning.

 Quote:
I don't go by society's view on things, I reject ideas that society holds just not that one. The reason, because racism has no merit. At one point, racism was widely believed where I live and now it isn't. It held no merit then, and it holds no merit now.

Racism isn't really a belief. But still you fail to argumentate/anticipate on its "why". The best thing offered is your agreement with the stance general society has taken which stands in contradiction with your ideal of "Anti".


You do twist words, and I can tell by the arguments your making. There are no arguments I've made that contradict my view on racism. I said I think caring about how you rank socially is stupid in another thread, but that has nothing to do with this.

The point is, the Anti ideal only refers to not caring what society thinks of you, not never agreeing with society. Yes, my view on racism in this case does consist with society, but their view is correct. Sometimes society is exactly right, and this is one of those times.

If society said racism was right, I'd disagree with them. They don't influence my view on racism, but if they have a correct view I'm not going to reject it just to prove to people I follow the anti(people who don't even know what I meant by it) I tried to word #8 carefully so no one would pick at it, but apparently you just wanted to that bad.

The reason I am against racism is that I don't judge people for things they can't help. It would be stupid to do so, because they have no control over it. People who look down on others because of things they were born with, and feel superior because of things they were just born with and never earned are just looking for a way to feel superior without accomplishing anything, I don't respect those types of people.

Race has nothing to do with whether someone will be respectful to me, their intelligence, skills of any kind(except maybe the weather thing you mentioned in another thread). Even if a race was at some genetic disadvantage, it would just mean any accomplishment by someone of that race was more impressive.

The bottom line is, the only 2 reasons someone would be trying so hard to argue with this is either 1-they are a racist or 2-they just want to find something to pick at...which are you?

Top
#75602 - 03/28/13 03:06 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
On one hand you're stating to have a non-caring attitude and how it should be maintained. On the other hand you're pretty quick to stigmatize a concept or idea concerning a societal idea.

It is quite contradictory actually.

Perhaps it is time to learn everyone at any time and any place is constantly judging and being judged by others. If you seek a non-caring attitude and want to maintain your ideals; nihilism might be something more suited to you.
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#75604 - 03/28/13 04:43 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
I take a societal idea, if I like it I embrace it(but not because its accepted, for its value) if I don't, I don't embrace it. That's what it is, that's it's intent. I don't really care about any way it can be spun to be contradictory.

Their philosophies as a general approach in life, not something meant to be twisted and contorted around and taken absolutely literally as much as they can be in every situation.

This really doesn't seem to be going anywhere. You obviously have parts of the philosophy you don't like, and that's fine. But over analyzing them and inventing other things they mean isn't going anywhere.

Top
#75607 - 03/28/13 05:18 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
It's not over-analyzing nor is it twisting it around. If you're going to accept or embrace an idea, at the very least KNOW what you're embracing and see if it does fit your worldview (or at the very least is being applied into it).

Thus far you've made pretty broad statements (without any specifics) concerning your ideals but when questioned, all of them seem to be disappearing just by your own inept attitude of not being able to see the flaws in your own reasoning.

For all it matters, I used your words without twisting them nor making an additional point. This is the main problem with many "satanic" principles. They're quoted and stressed often enough with additional claims of living to the word, but when it comes down to it it's mere parrot behavior.


Edited by Dimitri (03/28/13 05:20 AM)
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#75609 - 03/28/13 06:18 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
I know exactly what I am embracing, and I know how I apply it.

Over analyzing them is exactly what you've done, and you have twisted the meaning around. You tried to turn the "anti" ideal into meaning "do whatever society says not to do" when it actually means "do what you do, despite what society says". The difference is, for its actual meaning you can still do something that you see value in if society approves of it. The idea is that you aren't violating the spirit of the idea unless you are doing things simply because society says you have to, doing them for the purpose of approval and acceptance, and would give up things because society does not approve of them.

Well, if they were too broad for you to understand exactly what they meant then I'm sorry. I actually find ideals other paths list to be too broad at times. What do you need me to be more specific about?

I don't see how they are disappearing, seeing as how I have defended them the whole time. I don't see flaws because I don't see what isn't there.

The problem is that you probably are seeking to interpret everything absolutely literally, when it is just meant to be taken as a general philosophy on approaching things.

If you just take them for what they are worth, and try to attain the merits of them they can be very useful. You have to have sound judgment to decide how literally you are going to take them while still staying within the "spirit" of the ideal. If you just try and analyze them to death you won't find value in them.

Top
#75631 - 03/29/13 03:45 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
The only thing you embrace are words as far as I am concerned, and noticed, during this discussion. Your debating skills have drawn a whole other picture and have shown your ideals are but mere slogans instead of living and breathing praxis.

You claim to uphold an ideal of anti whilst at the same time you're eager to conform to egalitarian thought. You're selling bullshit.
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#75633 - 03/29/13 06:16 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
This is starting to get stupid, and pointless. I don't know how many times I have to say the same damn thing. I actually believe in the ideology I wrote, it has nothing to do with trying to "conform" to anything. If your not going to hear me, we're done discussing this.
Top
#75639 - 03/29/13 10:04 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Fnord Offline
senior member


Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 2085
Loc: Texas
 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
The ideal is about saying we should treat people the same.


I dislike your fairly consistent use of the word 'we'. If you feel that 'you' should treat people the same (whatever that means) then that is your prerogative. I treat people who excel in some way much differently than I treat the common apathetic herd dwellers who make up 98% of the people I meet.

Many Satanic principles underscore and embrace the idea that people are not equal. Water does, in fact, seek its own level.
_________________________
Dead and gone. Syonara.

Top
#75647 - 03/29/13 06:17 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Fnord]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
 Originally Posted By: Fnord
 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
The ideal is about saying we should treat people the same.


I dislike your fairly consistent use of the word 'we'. If you feel that 'you' should treat people the same (whatever that means) then that is your prerogative. I treat people who excel in some way much differently than I treat the common apathetic herd dwellers who make up 98% of the people I meet.

Many Satanic principles underscore and embrace the idea that people are not equal. Water does, in fact, seek its own level.


I'm talking about racism here, nothing to do with anything anyone excels in. I really don't get what's so hard to understand about this.

Top
#75649 - 03/29/13 06:29 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
ta2zz Offline
veteran member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1552
Loc: Connecticut

Wow 77 posts in just 7 days and most of them honestly I would rather read nothing here or old posts than these opinions of yours sprinkled everywhere.

There is no "WE" here there is you, there are others and there is myself... this does not ever make us "WE". Your opinions do not mirror everyone else.

Yet another non-satanist trying to define satanism to others. Yes there have been others of "YOUR" type here before. Most don't want to admit the title fits them.

Added: By the way skin color means little to many satanists. This may be where you misunderstand "US".

~T~


Edited by ta2zz (03/29/13 06:34 PM)
Edit Reason: marked
_________________________
We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams. ~Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy

Top
#75652 - 03/29/13 08:12 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Fnord Offline
senior member


Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 2085
Loc: Texas
 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
I really don't get what's so hard to understand about this.


There's nothing difficult to understand about what you are saying.

You talk a lot about 'we' and 'should' (ie what a Satanic philosopher should be) when you haven't provided any evidence that your opinions are worthy of consideration.

"Don't kid yourself" ... we've had a ton of people come through here who have taken the onus upon themselves to point out what others are doing wrong (your use of 'LaVeyanism' <> to Satanism for example) without ever also proving how they've used Satanic principles to be effective in the real world.

In other words, you're singing a lot of songs we're burned out on.
_________________________
Dead and gone. Syonara.

Top
#75653 - 03/29/13 10:51 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: ta2zz]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
If skin color means little to people on here, then why is everyone trying to twist around and criticize an anti-racism ideal I wrote. It has been brought up quite a bit, and there are only 2 reasons one would have a problem with an anti-racism ideal

1-they are racist 2-they just want to pick at something

Thus, I concluded that the people criticizing it are either racist, or just trying to pick at what I said for whatever they get out of it.

I am a Satanist by the way, just not of the LaVeyan variety.

As for my post count, what can I say, this board is a wonderland of old or new topics to discuss lol.


Edited by 334forwardspin (03/29/13 10:52 PM)

Top
#75654 - 03/29/13 11:00 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Fnord]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
If it's not difficult to understand then stop trying to turn it into something it's not. It is what it is, and nothing else. Find a problem with what it is actually intended to mean or move on.

How does one prove that they use their own Satanic principles to be effective in the real world, do you want me to send you a video of an example?

What do you consider to be effective, do you mean in a sense of bettering your personal abilities? If you want me to tell you how I use the ideals I listed in relation to my own skills, abilities etc. I can, but there's not really a way to prove I do what I say I do.

Top
#75655 - 03/29/13 11:13 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
TwIzT Offline
member


Registered: 12/21/11
Posts: 127
As stated your use of we when none but yourself is applicable is a form of colorless racism and classification which disproves any point you had.

By a glance over the bullshit I hope it makes sense.
_________________________
We are all the lab mice bred for one purpose to run the wheel to power america. Cheeze controls us.

Top
#75658 - 03/29/13 11:43 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Fnord Offline
senior member


Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 2085
Loc: Texas
 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
Find a problem with what it is actually intended to mean or move on.

How does one prove that they use their own Satanic principles to be effective in the real world, do you want me to send you a video of an example?


I have zero time to unravel your 'intended' meanings. State your points clearly and concisely or you will be the one moving on.

Proof can be gleaned through a series of reasoned responses. Do you notice that some people here have yellow and blue names? There is a reason for this. Slow down your rhetoric and pay attention.
_________________________
Dead and gone. Syonara.

Top
#75674 - 03/31/13 05:33 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: TwIzT]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
 Originally Posted By: TwIzT
As stated your use of we when none but yourself is applicable is a form of colorless racism and classification which disproves any point you had.

By a glance over the bullshit I hope it makes sense.
"colorless racism"...it doesn't make sense for a reason, you can't make sense out of nonsense. Stop picking, twisting and creating things that have nothing to do with the idea. Find a better way to defend the Aryan race, lol.

Top
#75675 - 03/31/13 05:40 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Fnord]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
 Originally Posted By: Fnord
 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
Find a problem with what it is actually intended to mean or move on.

How does one prove that they use their own Satanic principles to be effective in the real world, do you want me to send you a video of an example?


I have zero time to unravel your 'intended' meanings. State your points clearly and concisely or you will be the one moving on.

Proof can be gleaned through a series of reasoned responses. Do you notice that some people here have yellow and blue names? There is a reason for this. Slow down your rhetoric and pay attention.


Most people I tell these too have no trouble knowing exactly what I mean, you yourself even said there is nothing hard to understand about them.

I'm not concerned with the reason for why some members have yellow and blue names.

Top
#75677 - 03/31/13 06:48 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
 Quote:
If skin color means little to people on here, then why is everyone trying to twist around and criticize an anti-racism ideal I wrote.

It's not so much the stance you've taken against "racism". But upholding a broad and ill-defined ideal as anti-racism, which is prone to a conformist stance, and trying to pass it off as a basic satanic principle is just plain shit.

Your stance is not being cared about. The upheld ideal(s) are being questioned and are failing to stand up to the fires of scrutiny..

I can add a 3rd reason why it should be criticized. It's called inquiry.
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#75681 - 03/31/13 06:20 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Le Deluge Offline
senior member


Registered: 08/05/12
Posts: 1790
 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
If skin color means little to people on here, then why is everyone trying to twist around and criticize an anti-racism ideal I wrote. It has been brought up quite a bit, and there are only 2 reasons one would have a problem with an anti-racism ideal


People around here? You really need to specify. You are, at present, in colloquy with at least 2 people whose kin are not simply "aryan" as you say. One may have a conceptual preference, yet reject the ideal as fallacious. Best not to generalize.
_________________________
Apres Moi ... Le Deluge

Top
#75684 - 04/01/13 04:08 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
This is the stance: being against discrimination based purely on race, gender and sexuality. This is the basis: no one chooses to be any of those things, and you can't be held responsible for things you don't choose. I hold value in things people chose to be, and things that they earned, not what they were born.

A path that advocates free will, and being self-made shouldn't put significance on things that are ascribed to someone(in whatever way), rather than chosen or earned. If you put significance on things that someone is simply born with, then it goes against an idea of free will, because it was not chosen by will. It goes against the idea of being self-made, because it was not earned by that person in their life time. Thus, it would be stupid to be a racist, because it puts significance on your race, which you are born with.

This is pretty much as specific I can get. The ideals were listed in more general terms, so I didn't make my post too long. However, they were written so they could be understood. If someone wanted to inquire more specifically about them, I figured I'd leave it up to them to ask. Frankly, I didn't think people would be so obsessed with #3.

This may be the stance society has, but ultimately it is the correct one in my view, and I'm certainly not going to take a stance I find stupid just to be contrary.

It hasn't failed to stand up to scrutiny, it just has been twisted around and every argument made against it has been responded to the same way, because the same response applied to all of them.

If it hasn't been cared about, then why has it been the most focused on of all the ideals. I couldn't care less if people agree with it or not, I just like sharing my opinions.

Top
#75685 - 04/01/13 04:14 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Le Deluge]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
I was referring to what the poster I quoted said, that many people on here don't see significance in skin color. I believe I quoted that poster in the post where I said that. Frankly, nit picking at the particular way I word things is an unproductive thing to argue about, if they aren't relevant to the arguments I am making.
Top
#75690 - 04/01/13 08:35 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Le Deluge Offline
senior member


Registered: 08/05/12
Posts: 1790
 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
I was referring to what the poster I quoted said, that many people on here don't see significance in skin color. I believe I quoted that poster in the post where I said that. Frankly, nit picking at the particular way I word things is an unproductive thing to argue about, if they aren't relevant to the arguments I am making.


It isn't nitpicking. If you're debating a point with another, address them directly. If you constantly invoke "we" and "people around here", the implication is some shared viewpoint that doesn't exist. Enough said.

I am seeing a couple posters questioning the ideals you listed + asking for clarification. I can think of a number of reasons why people might do this. They may be realists. They may not need anyone to define Satanism for them. They don't like being grouped in to a vague concept.

If a poster says: "Skin color has no significance", that simply would mean "race" is not relevant to them in dealing with other people. If you could be more succinct as to what significance it has for you, it might make for a more productive argument.

It shouldn't be up to the reader to guess at it.
_________________________
Apres Moi ... Le Deluge

Top
#75696 - 04/02/13 12:51 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Le Deluge]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
I never implied that anyone agreed with my viewpoint, I just was referring to what the poster said when I said "people on here"

What does being a realist have to do with it? I'm not grouping them into anything, I said specifically they were MY philosophies.

I said that if any of them weren't clear, then ask me for more clarification. I tried to explain it the best I could in the post above the one you quoted and go into detail, however I really don't understand why that one should be unclear.

I already mentioned what significance skin color has to be, none. That's the whole point of the ideal.

Frankly, I'm really not sure what people have to guess about. What part is unclear, what part do you need me to clarify?

Top
#75703 - 04/02/13 03:32 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Le Deluge Offline
senior member


Registered: 08/05/12
Posts: 1790
 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
I never implied that anyone agreed with my viewpoint, I just was referring to what the poster said when I said "people on here"


Precisely. You should have just addressed the one poster. Invoking "people on here" and "we" suggests some sort of mutual agreement on the subjects you are presenting.

I will assume you know the difference between a realist and an idealist. I could draw a few synthesis "practical idealism" etc, but you only presented ideals. The difference would be: Even if the realist may find the result of a colorblind society desirable, he will also have to deal with society as it stands. He may reject the ideal as untenable. Skin color means nothing to me either, but I am hesitant to accept a series of ideals as operative. Within society, it is often more a matter of dealing with what is than how we wish it to be.

Anyways, that is all I have to say on the matter. You are on track to break both mine and a former poster's monthly post count combined. Do you have a specific message you wish to impart vis a vis theistic Satanism? You seem to be refusing to answer questions that would define the nature of the "Satan" that serves as a guide + how it operates for you in practice. I note, specifically, your response to poster paolo sette. "Yeah, that is not going to happen." I really hope you didn't just take up that much bandwidth to simply inform us that you are a theistic satanist.



_________________________
Apres Moi ... Le Deluge

Top
#75706 - 04/03/13 01:25 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Le Deluge]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
My post count is high because of several topics that I saw that I had an opinion on and wanted to talk about. Bare in mind, I have just gotten here, so a lot of older topics to reply to. With less new topics coming in, it will likely be less per day.

No one has asked me any specific questions regarding that, all that has been done is an analysis on the anti-racism ideal. I even said that I would mention how I use the ideals in the real world if anyone wanted to know, and no one asked me anything.



As for how I use the ideals in the real world, I suppose I will go over each one and how I use them in life in more detail. I use most of them in pursuit of my goals(in some way), this and that they are mentalities that reflect my views.

For ideal 1(The “truth” ideal)…I use this relating to my football abilities, since football achievements are my top life goal. Basically, I see nothing in telling yourself you can achieve things when you really can’t. When I've had success against somebody, I made sure they really gave it their best and found ways to tell(its usually obvious though). If I feel they didn’t, I disregarded that success as an accomplishment. This is the main way I have used it.

For ideal 2(The “mental freedom” ideal)…This relates to virtually everything in life for me. It basically says to understand the reasons behind your views, and to really understand the knowledge relating to things that matter to you. I use this for football related things, there are certain things you can figure out to help you, I make sure I understand how those things work and why they are effective. I’m in an air conditioning program right now as well, I ask questions and make sure to understand why wiring it one way works, as opposed to why one doesn’t, rather than just doing it how I’m told without understanding it. This way, I can learn how to apply it in another situation, and I will remember it better. I am willing to use unconventional methods, as I do in football. I looked for a way to get an edge in reaching my goals, which can require an unconventional method. I figure out if they will work for myself, and don’t just accept conventional methods if they don’t make sense. For my views on things, basically I decide the value in a view point myself. On moral views for instance, I won’t put significance on a moral value if I don’t see any reason why it’s important. To clarify, this doesn’t mean I reject everything society believes, it’s not about that. It’s about choosing for yourself whether or not to agree with society.

For ideal 3..everybody’s favorite,lol…..I already explained this one’s meaning in more detail. As for how I use it, well I just am willing to have friends that are gay,black etc. This doesn’t relate to my goals so much, except in the way that if I rejected a friendship with a black player who could help me train, it could hurt my abilities compared to someone who did not.

For ideal 4(the self respect ideal)….This basically refers to not seeking to win the affection of people who don’t like you, seeing it as self-degrading. Basically, I don’t do things for the sake of other’s approval. It also condemns idolatry. It is fine to look up to someone who has done things that you respect, but if that person doesn’t show you respect you should still dislike them. Also, you should try and reach their level, and not put their accomplishments up on a pedestal as something you will never do. In relation to my goals, basically I make it about my personal accomplishment, not trying to win the respect of other players. If they respect me, that’s great but ultimately if I achieve high in the specific area of my goal and they still don’t respect me, fine by me.

For ideal 5(the conviction ideal)…..This is about having conviction, and a strong drive for what you want. I’m sure you can figure out how this relates to my goals, I work to get better and pursue them strongly. It also is about being open about your goals, and not being afraid to say you want to be great. I’m not an extraverted person, and don’t need to be however if I am not willing to tell other players that I want to attain high level abilities, I will get less opportunities to practice and test them. If I wanted someone to train with me for instance, I’d have to be willing to ask them to help me out. This seems easy, but there can be mental blocks about it, because it will add pressure to you and put more of a spotlight on you. Also, you may be reluctant to do so if you think people may mock you and say you have no chance. No one wants to hear that, but you have to get over it. If you know that the person won’t help you, don’t bother but if you think they might, then you have to try.
For ideal 6(the fear/death ideal)…This relates to overcoming fears, and rather dying than not being able to live your life they way you wish. For the last part, that is just something that if it came down to dying vs living a life without my goals, my true self in general a life I don’t want to live, I’d rather die. However, hopefully(and probably)it will never come to that. As for overcoming fears, that relates to a lot of things. There are fears on the football field, like pain or failure, but I just do my best to overcome it. There is also overcoming fears of pain in fights, be willing to defend yourself. Disrespect people back, even if you fear it may lead to a fight. I don’t too often get into fights though, usually people just yell stupid crap at me from a car(I live in Vegas, drunk idiots). I just flip them off, if I even think they’re worth it, you can’t really do much more about that. I also try to overcome fears when I do night forest walks, the ways I do Satanic connection rituals. It gives a spooky feel, and the fear of someone jumping from behind a tree and stabbing you. However, it also brings forth a sort of connection feeling. It is a good way of overcoming fears, because it forces you to tell the fear to shut up, basically.

For ideal 7(mental strength/overcoming obstacles)…I mentioned overcoming trauma on my original list, but as I mentioned before I haven’t suffered any serious trauma in my life, so I don’t have to use it. However, I see it as a trait of mental strength, and a way of making it so that traumatic events in your life don’t hurt the pursuit of your goals, or you staying in a sound mind state. The most extreme example would be fighting in war, where you have to execute well in life or death situations. Mental strength could help a veteran overcome PTSD from near death experiences. I have respect for people who can overcome trauma, but I have never had to do it, it’s just a trait I respect. The part that applies to be is overcoming obstacles. I have encountered many obstacles in regards to my football goals, finding a team to play on or people to train with, basically opportunities. Unfortunately, since high school I haven't really had opportunities. I have never given up though, and never will. The ideals I say I apply to my goals, I applied when I was able to play, and will apply when I play again(hopefully in about 2 weeks)

For ideal 8(ideal of anti)…This is a mental thing. The way it relates to my goals, is that I decided my goals based on the accomplishment value I saw in them, not by what society said their value was. In general, I don’t do things for the sake of acceptance from society, and don’t judge my worth by other people’s opinions of me. This is the only way to be sound, but adversarial at the same time in my opinion. If you just do whatever society says is bad, you are just as controlled by them as if you did whatever they said was good, and would miss out on things with value. However, if you just judge the value of things by the value you see in them, and not what society says it is a good balance. You are adversarial in the sense that you don’t seek acceptance, and that you don’t put significance on society’s opinion of you. However, you aren’t missing out on things with value that are accepted, and society’s view, whether it’s being the same or the opposite does not dictate what you believe, and what you pursue.

For ideal 9(spirituality)…Basically, I do things that enhance a connection I feel with dark gods. The night forest walks I mentioned before are one thing I did back when I lived in the South, and something I will do again when I finally get out of Vegas. For now though, I live in the desert and am unfortunately not around things that enhance that feel.

For ideal 10(accountability/self discipline)…The ideal of accountability is that you accept responsibility for your own actions, and don’t blame others for that which is your own fault. I apply this as a philosophy in my goals, in the sense that I accept responsibility for having to work hard to get better, and if I don’t, then failure is on me. This does not mean everything is my fault, for instance trying hard to find opportunities but not finding them due to bad luck is an example of something that would not be my fault and thus it would be stupid to blame myself for that. However, you can never expect people to force desire on you. I hate for instance when people blame their parents for not pushing them hard enough, or the assertion that the have to or their kids will fail. Desire has to come from the individual, and if you don’t work hard you and only you are to blame. For the self-discipline aspect, this is essential to hard work, as well as the actual 1 on 1 matchups in football. Tackling, and running well against good tackling requires discipline, you have to make sure you don’t forget to use good technique, and don’t forget to execute well when your out there despite fear, hype or whatever may get in the way. It also takes discipline to stay in a close competition(which good vs good will usually be)of any kind. It’s a game of inches, and you will be in battles where you barely get a first down, and sometimes you will barely miss it. You can’t get frustrated when things are hard, you have to have self-discipline to fight well in a good fight.

For ideal 11(pride)…The ideal of pride is about seeking accomplishments for the sake of pride. I seek to have great football abilities for the sake of pride, to be able to look to what I’ve done and be proud of my abilities and accomplishments. It also relates to being self-made and earn things on merit, wanting to achieve things because you earned them, not because they were given to you in whatever way. This, and not backing away from good competition. I judge myself by how well I do against the best players, I don’t just seek to exploit the weakness of others, but win with my own strengths.

As you can see, this was very long. That is why I would have preferred for a poster to inquire about a specific ideal, rather than me write it out like that.

Top
#75709 - 04/03/13 01:40 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Le Deluge Offline
senior member


Registered: 08/05/12
Posts: 1790
We actually have several areas of agreement. (7) is key to me. I believe there was a thread regarding trauma, but it went south for some reason. Will have to do another at some point. At any rate, welcome aboard.

_________________________
Apres Moi ... Le Deluge

Top
#75718 - 04/03/13 09:51 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Le Deluge]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
Good to hear, you must be smart then lol

I remember that thread, I posted in it. It was asking about if someone could be a Satanist if they had suffered trauma. I mentioned basically what I said in #7, that I thought being able to was actually key.

I was basically thinking of 3 things when I wrote it.

One was the part about overcoming obstacles, so that you still pursue things even if the parts that aren't in your control don't go so well.

The second was childhood trauma, overcoming that so that things people did to you in your childhood don't end up defining what you become.

Thirdly, was relating to war and the warrior spirit that many had in ancient times when war was the way. Basically, it serves as a way to keep that spirit alive in you, in a world today where you usually don't have to worry about dying young. Don't get me wrong, it’s better to not have to worry about that, because it makes you less likely to accomplish all you want in life. However, it is still good to keep a sort of warrior spirit in you, so that you are willing to fight should the time come.

I don’t like a lot about the military, but I do have respect for anyone who goes to fight in war. It takes a tremendous amount of mental strength to constantly overcome traumatic events that happen in war, and to still execute well when death is on the line.

In today’s world, the psychology profession seems to discourage the number 7 mentality. I get the feeling they think if people try to overcome trauma on their own, that their profession will suffer. Many people have overcome traumatic events with mental strength, either because they were forced to, chose to try on their own, or because the event didn’t traumatize them as much as psychiatry says it is supposed to. It is super taboo to say that it depends on the mental strength of the victim to overcome it, because they see it as “blaming the victim”, but it’s a fact. Mentally strong people are not impervious to trauma, and it can often be hard even for them to overcome traumatic events, but to say that the mental strength of the victim does not play a big part in their recovery is asinine, and borderline retarded.

Top
#75969 - 04/14/13 04:42 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Dimitri Offline
stalker


Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3151
While no one has chosen his or her own race, gender or sexuality, you're still being judged by it. Being against that kind of "discrimination" (while I prefer to speak of judgment) is wanting to do away with quite important differences which make part of an individual.

The best laughs I've had in my life were from sexist and racists jokes. Sexuality and race, while not earned, are still things that are of consideration and of importance of how a person is being looked at. However society wants to twist my worldview and make me believe all races and sexes are equal, my natural instinct will keep on telling me it's plain and utter bullshit (which it is).

It's just an irrevokable truth.


Edited by Dimitri (04/14/13 04:45 PM)
_________________________
Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

Top
#77549 - 06/30/13 02:13 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dimitri]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
Laughing at racist/sexist jokes or actually being a racist/sexist are two entirely different things.

Despite my stance, I actually have gotten a good laugh out of racist jokes, but I take them as they are, just jokes. It's a different thing when someone actually starts thinking people shouldn't be allowed to pursue certain goals or opportunities solely due to their race/gender, or actually believe their race makes them superior. That's when it starts to fit in the mold of what I find stupid.

I'd have to disagree on the point of them being important differences. People using those things to judge you doesn't make them important, or mean that it's an intelligent mentality to have. People will often judge you for all sorts of things that aren't really based on any truth.

I suppose it's just my own thinking, but I don't put value on things that weren't chosen or earned by a person. If I didn't do anything myself to earn something, it doesn't mean much to me. If you think about it, something your born with is just a matter of chance, so it really shouldn't be such a big determiner of your value, and what you do in your life.

It's not so much the belief that they are all equal, just that the differences aren't important enough to make a big deal over.


Edited by 334forwardspin (06/30/13 02:13 AM)

Top
#77557 - 06/30/13 10:45 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
Dan_Dread Offline
stalker


Registered: 10/08/08
Posts: 3934
Loc: Vancouver, Canada
You know, I get the mentality behind 'anti-racism', but the shit has gone too far.

Ok, so we are not supposed to 'judge people'(lol) based on their culture or ethnicity, and we are supposed to ignore any difference those things might create. To adjust, to learn to get along, etc etc.

Yet, we are free to judge everyone on far less sacred ground. You can judge someone for being a moron..unless of course they are too much of a moron then its taboo. You are free to judge someone for their political and ideological positions..Just so long as it isn't islam. We are free to use all life on this earth for whatever end we see fit just as long as it isn't a certain 'sacred' form of life called 'human'.

The point of this? It's all arbitrary hubris. Where it becomes important is where these social control memes cause one to view 'equality' as other than what it is, which is a catch all justification for 'slavery'.

Liberty and equality sit at opposite ends of a spectrum, never the two shall meet.
_________________________
ADM
ideological vandal

Top
#77567 - 06/30/13 02:46 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dan_Dread]
SIN3 Offline
stalker


Registered: 05/14/13
Posts: 6869
Loc: Virginia
 Quote:
People using those things to judge you doesn't make them important, or mean that it's an intelligent mentality to have.


It seems to me, reading through your responses here, that you are doing exactly that. You've cast a judgement based on judgement.

If 'race' or 'sex' is merely about outward appearance vs. internal mind, isn't it the internal mind that discerns these differences?

If say you were to understand unique differences in thought and action, wouldn't it in fact be intelligent to take race and sex into account? Seems to me, it would be rather unintelligent to completely dismiss them as a consideration.

Race and Sex, isn't just about the meatbag that carries your brain. It's far more complex than that. Racism/Sexism usually indicates a social bias, and there may be a damn good reason for that bias. I mean, who wears their entire pathology on their sleeve at first glance?

For example, when dealing with a man (as a woman), I don't automatically assume that his gender is unimportant or he's equal to other men simply because he's male. Or his race for that matter.

If he were a man from the Philippines that immigrated to the U.S., well now I have to also consider the cultural mores that may be a part of his unique persona. To include the social bias he may hold towards me, for simply being a woman with pale skin.

It boils down the -ism, more specifically.

As for the we-isms, this appears to deal with your individual perspective. It would be like saying "I believe race and sex is unimportant, thus I believe that others should feel the same way as I do because I believe it denotes intelligence..."

Racism/Sexism are just words, what understanding they mediate depends on the context used in language.

Some examples:

A man goes out of his way to open a door for a woman. Is he a sexist, or is it because he was raised with this notion?

A woman is denied a job because it requires that she lift a minimum of 80 lbs regularly, and she writes 50 lbs is the minimum she can lift on her application. Is this discrimination or ability?
_________________________
SINJONES.com

Top
#77590 - 06/30/13 09:00 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: SIN3]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
Not hiring someone who can't lift 80 pounds if it's a job requirement is not sexist, that's ability based. I never said I agree with special treatment, in fact I am very much against it.

I'd be just as much against hiring an incapable woman just due to their gender, as much as I'd be against refusing to hire a capable woman based on her gender. It should be ability based. If a woman can in fact lift the required amount, no reason not to hire her, what other women can do has no bearing on her own ability.

The point is that what the majority of others in your gender/race can do, or are like should not determine your own opportunities in life. Each individual should just be tested on their own ability. Equal opportunity does not mean special treatment, it means each person gets treated the same.

If your raised to believe something racist or sexist, it doesn't make you any less of one either. It just means that your parents believed something, that you chose to agree with, or just blindly accepted what they told you.

Top
#77591 - 06/30/13 09:15 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: Dan_Dread]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
I only used the word judge, as a response to it being mentioned that society will judge you based on race. I was basically saying that just because society decides something is important, doesn't mean it is.

When I say I'm anti-racism, I don't mean I believe in respecting all cultural traditions. Since I advocate going against society's views(when you disagree with them), I naturally would not believe that because it would be stupid to say "you can go against your own society, but not other ones".

I'd be against disliking someone just because they were born in another culture, because that's not a choice. A willingness to embrace cultural customs however, is a choice.

You mentioned Islam, if you judged(or whatever you want to call it)someone for being a Muslim, that would be different than doing so because they are of Arabic decent. The idea is, that your view of Muslims shouldn't reflect your view of Arabs, Indonesians and etc. who aren't Muslims.

The religion is a major part of Arabic culture, but disliking the religion has nothing to do with racism. The religion is a choice, being of Arabic decent is not. That is the part I do think goes too far, when one is considered racist just for disliking the views of another culture.

Top
#77701 - 07/02/13 01:40 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: 334forwardspin]
SIN3 Offline
stalker


Registered: 05/14/13
Posts: 6869
Loc: Virginia
 Quote:
If your raised to believe something racist or sexist, it doesn't make you any less of one either. It just means that your parents believed something, that you chose to agree with, or just blindly accepted what they told you.


If its a conscious choice, it may be with reasoning behind it. I agree with you about blind-acceptance, that's just automation. I don't see why the racist/sexist labels are so taboo anyway. I can certainly be both, but its not out of just following some indoctrinated belief, it's out of experiential knowledge. I think both imply some implicit hatred but hate requires an emotional investment and I'm rarely invested. You'd be hard pressed to have me shed a tear for the humanist campaigns out there in the world. When an Asian guy comes barking up my tree, I've had enough experience to hold a bias about their peckers. Just sayin'

I come from a long-line of racists, and had stars in my eyes when I was a kid. I was not going to be a racist! It got me a lot of beatings, and I remained adversarial to pre-judgement based on race for a long time just on the principal of the thing. How's that for stupid? My little precious principles were so important I was willing to take the beat-down rather than fold to blind-obedience. I hadn't even considered that my family was dishing out rules and regs for my personal benefit. So when my mother would warn me about the Irish of South Boston, I'd have to find out the hard way that she was right. I hated when she was. I wasn't exactly that 'worldly' in my youth being restricted to a small area of the city where I lived, until I got out and spread my wings.

Then racial stereotyping becomes more than just a pre-judgement when it's based in truth-patterns that repeat themselves over and over again. Then you begin to understand why your own family seems xenophobic on the surface, until you realize they are just protecting their own values. You can understand it without sharing those values yourself. You create your own values, and every now and again they need tweaking.

In my own case, its not as if I discriminate lovers/friends based on race but I certainly take them into consideration. It's not just a face-value issue, there's layers to peel back.

Moving here to Virginia was a bit of a culture shock for me back in 92. It's not exactly deep-South but hell, its different than up North, especially the Blacks. The first few times I was called 'White Devil', I thought the insult was lame. They couldn't come up with something better than that? It's a term Black Women will use for White Women that catch the attention of the 'Good Black Man'. There's a notion here that White Women are trophies and take Black Men away from them. It was the first time I'd heard the term 'Reverse-Racism', what the hell? Isn't racism just racism? I was barely 18 when I moved here, so I had a lot to learn about the differences between Southern States and Northern. And here I thought, The Greater Boston Area was pretty damn tribal. This was more prominent. The class-system was more visible. Your lower-middle class get caught up in it, whereas your Middle-upper to Upper-class wouldn't dream of being seen 'acting ghetto'. Reminds me of the Wanda Sykes skit on 'African Americans', if you haven't seen it, Google it.

After a few years here, you then become a 'Cousin' if they think for a second you're not just your run-of-the-mill Wendy White-bread. I'm usually mistaken for an Iranian or Hispanic, so people ask. After I tell them my family is from Naples, Italy... Well, I can tell you now I'm family. Crazy eh? As you get older, the older generation don't have as much gall as the younger. Those conversations (which happen rather frequently around here) are breached more politely.

It's all funny to me, people focus on the strangest things. I just shrug and think to myself: Black people... My son has always loved girls of color. He's yet to date a white girl because he thinks they are all skanky-hoes (and they mostly are). His current girlfriend is Black, and even she doesn't like Black people. She's adorable, she gets the racism thing around here and thinks it's whack. For her, it's not really an issue until the KKK show up at a country faire handing out pamphlets. She thinks that scary.

I've run into them at state faires mostly, I enjoy engaging them in conversation pretending not to notice them staring at my nose wondering if I'm a Jew.



Edited by SIN3 (07/02/13 01:43 PM)
_________________________
SINJONES.com

Top
#77704 - 07/02/13 04:07 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: SIN3]
HisDivineShadow Offline
stranger


Registered: 06/23/13
Posts: 36
Loc: Lakewood Ranch, FL
Lol. Your post just reminded me of my own racial makeup. Im a mix of German, Greek, and Italian. When I take trips to traditional areas of Southern states, I get a whole range of looks, as people try and figure out if I'm one of "them" or not.
Top
#77705 - 07/02/13 04:13 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: HisDivineShadow]
SIN3 Offline
stalker


Registered: 05/14/13
Posts: 6869
Loc: Virginia
Airports. That's the only time it really annoys me, I get pulled from the line every single time like clock-work for the shake-down. The TSA agents tell me its random, yah ok. I'm selected randomly every flight I take, and for a while there I was flying 4 times a month for years. Post-9/11 it didn't get a whole lot worse but it just got more annoying. Iranian, I get that one a lot in those situations. I had to Google images of Iranian women to see the similarities, it's that Mediterranean look. After a while I was a good sport about it and just went through the motions or else miss my flight, which sucks even more. That was when I had hair. Now that I'm bald, it's a whole different span of looks I get, lol
_________________________
SINJONES.com

Top
#77712 - 07/02/13 10:06 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: SIN3]
William Wright Offline
active member


Registered: 10/25/09
Posts: 863
Loc: Nashville
SIN3, may I ask why you choose to be bald? You are very pretty, with or without hair. I just thought I’d ask.

I have conflicting views regarding racial profiling. On one hand, it seems that people shouldn’t be hassled simply because of their race. On the other hand, if people of a certain race are more likely to engage in a particular criminal activity, it seems that this should be taken into consideration.

My dad and brother, staunch conservatives, are cocky in their support of racial profiling. They said that if they were Middle Eastern, they’d have no problem accepting the extra scrutiny in airports. Of course, it’s easy for two white guys from Indiana to say such things.
_________________________
In Minecraft all chickens are spies.

Top
#77715 - 07/02/13 11:47 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: William Wright]
SIN3 Offline
stalker


Registered: 05/14/13
Posts: 6869
Loc: Virginia
Sure, you can ask.

I choose it because its better than trying to hang on to thinning hair that looks like shit. I have hereditary hair-loss, androgenic alopecia (specifically male-pattern balding). I wasn't going out like that, so I shaved it last Spring. I absolutely love it, and wouldn't give it up. That's the short version. It ties in to the topic at hand rather well. If you want the long version: CLICK HERE

 Quote:
You are very pretty, with or without hair.


Thank you for saying so.

As for Racial Profiling, outside personal socializing, I don't agree with it for Criminal Cases, but I tend to feel that way for any type of suspect profiling.

 Quote:
They said that if they were Middle Eastern, they’d have no problem accepting the extra scrutiny in airports.


Yeah, it is rather easy to have that mindset until you're in those shoes. I've seen people act completely off the charts of rational and reason. Most of the convenience stores are run by immigrants around here, most corn-bred Southern folk wouldn't know a Middle Easterner from a hole in the ground anyway. If they look the part, they act completely douchey towards them for no other reason than believing they were personally slighted by brown people. For the most part, it's all gravy around here but there's always 'that guy' to make a scene for his own self-righteous indignation.

I've been watching the Zimmerman Trial, beyond ridiculous. No matter how you look at it, race is going to be a way to determine not only guilt or innocence but intelligence to boot. The Rachel Jeantel testimony and how it was handled both in the court room and in the public was horrid.

If you watch it closely, my previous statements may shed a bit more light on the importance of the considerations. A 19 year old speaking in her common slang isn't going to be understood fully unless you know where she's coming from. She's having to explain over and over again that the term 'Nigga' is slang, and the Prosecuting attorney kept making apologies before repeating it but saying 'Nigger' instead. I'd love to see the transcripts after its all over and done with to see what the court-reporter actually typed in for the record.

The 'Creepy Ass Cracka' comment was spun over and over again. Hell, now it's an Internet Meme. By her second day of testimony the criticism over her 'grooming' is telling, there's no question she was given speaking advice, but the way it's discussed in the media its as if she was given a script to read as an ignorant black. Then to add insult to injury they focus in on the fact that she's 19 and still in High School, the way she looks and her family background.

So, its no longer about reporting what she heard, its about destroying her credibility for the Defense based on Ad Hominem argument.

The Judiciary-system is a travesty.
_________________________
SINJONES.com

Top
#77786 - 07/05/13 11:14 PM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: SIN3]
334forwardspin Offline
member


Registered: 03/04/13
Posts: 509
Loc: Las Vegas,NV United States
What part of Virginia are you from? I actually lived in Roanoke growing up before moving out to Vegas. I've seen you reference a lot of things about Virginia I never noticed. There didn't seem to be a lot of racism there, growing up I thought those were just stereotypes about the South. I am from a younger generation though, I guess it's not surprising if it's common among the older generations.

When I've heard the term White Devil, I usually just hear it used as an insult to white people in general, "whitey keeping us down" and all of that. Reverse discrimination just is referring to when the group traditionally viewed as the victims, become the discriminators.

I lol'ed at the Asian peckers statement, that was pretty funny. But, that's a physical trait. Race will dictate certain physical features, that's simple science. However, it does not dictate other things.

Essentially, what the majority of a race does has no bearing on what each individual does. You'll see whites succeed in a black dominated area, the reverse. Each individual controls their own life choices, and is not bound by what their race usually does. Acknowledging a generalization, is different than thinking it applies to all people, or holding them against it.

Top
#77790 - 07/06/13 01:06 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: SIN3]
XiaoGui17 Offline
active member


Registered: 10/21/09
Posts: 1146
Loc: Amarillo, TX
 Originally Posted By: SIN3
I'm usually mistaken for an Iranian or Hispanic, so people ask. After I tell them my family is from Naples, Italy... Well, I can tell you now I'm family. Crazy eh?

Given the high number of Sicilian immigrants in America that are celebrities (Sinatra, Pacino), politicians (Christie, Scalia), or infamous gangsters (Capone, Genna), it's my experience that most Americans think "Sicilian" when they hear "Italian." Maybe it's just me, but I feel weird being from a Tuscan family and encountering "Italian" stereotypes that I perceive as Sicilian.

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
His current girlfriend is Black, and even she doesn't like Black people.

Hence the popular distinction.
_________________________
Wir halten uns an Regeln, Wenn man uns regeln lässt

Top
#77796 - 07/06/13 07:58 AM Re: How do you use satanic principles ? [Re: XiaoGui17]
SIN3 Offline
stalker


Registered: 05/14/13
Posts: 6869
Loc: Virginia
I have to agree with you there. My Aunt (Father's Side) took a Sicilian as her second husband, there's little nuances there that you pick up on. I was about 8 when they married, I don't even remember her first husband Jo, only vaguely. Neapolitan Italians treat Sicilians much like jokes over Blacks/Niggas. It took a few years but the family was more accepting of Eilio later. My Mother's side is more snobbish than my Father's.


(Sicilian Trinacria, hangs in my Kitchen)

Americans often use celebrity as a basis for stereotypes. What else do they have to go by? My Uncle is pretty stereotypical, he still speaks broken English with a thick accent, loves to Fish (he's retired), always has a grape Vineyard to makes wine, and patronizes my Aunt as a Matriarch, lol. When I was learning some of the old songs in Italian, he was over-joyed believing I'd also pick up more of the language. I have a gobbeldy-gook understanding, thank-goodness for over-zealous hand gestures, otherwise I wouldn't have know what the hell my older relatives were talking about most days. I would have preferred to have been raised Bi-lingual but it was 'fashionable' in the early days to be 'American'.


 Quote:
Originally Posted By: SIN3
His current girlfriend is Black, and even she doesn't like Black people.

Hence the popular distinction.


We laugh all the time because she speaks proper English, and people accuse her of 'talking White'.


Edited by SIN3 (07/06/13 08:04 AM)
_________________________
SINJONES.com

Top
Page all of 9 12345>Last »


Moderator:  Woland, TV is God, fakepropht, SkaffenAmtiskaw, Asmedious, Fist 
Hop to:

Generated in 0.137 seconds of which 0.004 seconds were spent on 142 queries. Zlib compression disabled.