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#6128 - 03/21/08 07:28 PM Getting rid of a Christian/s
Kon Offline
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How do you dispose of a Xtian while still being politically correct? Any ideas would be helpful. Mine all go something like, find and kill their family, poison their food, drug them and drop them off under a bridge in the next state...feed them ajax....you know the usual. *cough

I suppose one could do a many number of things just barely within the realm of civility, and as time progresses the meek shall weed themselves out. Though that takes much time. There have to be harassment laws that cover this kind of thing. Now to twist them to serve myself...help please?
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#6130 - 03/21/08 07:37 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Kon]
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depends who this perosn is are they close to you and yours?
you could just talk to them point out the flaws in their thinking if all eles fails treat them like any other crazy perosn and tell them to fuck off if they persist or get pushy then use violence but with out knowing the situation some genral advice is usless you could always just tell them you are not intestested in their belief be polite first most people will stop bothing you, oh not wise to say that shit on the net by the way kon now if you do deicde to hurt them now their is evidince of it.
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#6133 - 03/21/08 07:50 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Kon]
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We can try to leave them alone. If they didn't have christianity, they'd find some other religion to defile, and before you know it we'll have a herd of Satanic Bible Thumpers selling Infernal Sermons for love gifts...

Personally Kon, I don't think hatred for christians should be your main reason why you become a Satanists. The reason should be something like Self Liberation and stuff. Like becoming who you truly are before the state and religion molded and trained you into a little bitch. You can hate with all your might, but it doesn't make you a better or more evolved person. Satanism is about becoming that proverbial "Nietschzian" Ubermench, or Homo Galactica. Its a struggle to become more human than they are; more entwined with nature, and more truer to one own existance and human nature.

~Kayla


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#6135 - 03/21/08 08:07 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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yes. I was attempting to throw a bit of wit in with my last post, I thought perhaps among the ones here it wouldn't be viewed as an actual threat. I appreciate the suggestions of liberation ideals also, thank you Kayla. Though I suppose my "antics" throw off the context a bit. It is one particular xtian that inflames me. Let's just say they are entirely too close to me, and are particularly rude and very objective to anything remotely askew from their particular "belief". Violence would solve the issue at hand that I agree with, though when it comes to matters of the justice system well, I won't go that route.

I just thought maybe, someone had a run in with similar circumstance, and handled it in a civilized way.

There should be a book on xtian ideals and how to use them against the bible toting bastards.
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#6139 - 03/21/08 10:51 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Kon]
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Who cares? Xtians can be annoying but so can anyone. You are wasting vital engergy to simply hate Xtians.

In the words of Thomas Jefferson 'I don't care if a man has one god or 20, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.'
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#6180 - 03/22/08 10:26 AM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Fist]
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Ok, once again, it's not every xtian I'm speaking of. It's one person whom I need out of my "aura". I never said I hated anyone.
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#6186 - 03/22/08 11:44 AM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Kon]
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Kon, just do the smart thing: Get some friends together and mob lynch him. Thats real magic. If this don't teach him a lesson to keep his mouth shut and mind his own affairs, then you can skip to plan B and do a Destruction working. There's a nice one in the Satanic Bible. You can find this (The Satanic Bible) in the Media Room. Save your hatred for this guy for the ritual, its more productive. Not many Satanists here like to talk about Magic or the "occult" side of Satanism for some reason? I think it'd be educational to share these kinds of experiences also. I'll share one of mine with you:

So I was in a long term relationship with this one person for about three year right? I knew this person for a very long time. I loved this person to death and things were great. This person was slightly older than me, and after a year she went to college first.

At college she started to change. She got into a sorority, had a bunch of new friends, then she met some asshole we'll call "Mr.M" (for Marcos Alanso - who goes to Cal State San Bernardino and drives a dumb red 2002 Dodge pick up truck). I saw her less and less.

I had spies at there school who told me about the two of them. So I confronted her about Mr.M and basically she said that maybe we grew apart and that we should try seeing other people? So i let her go, but the heart ache was unimaginable.

After crying for 6 months, I thought to myself, being sad and crying wasn't getting anything done, so I drank a 40 ouncer, and staggered my way to the local Target to by some "magical" supplies like candles and a toy truck. Then my friend took a jacket out of Mr.M's truck, and I went to my ex's place and just took some of her clothing, pictures, and her diary.

We (me and a little group) went up these mountains a bit away called Black Star Canyon to preform the ritual. We did a modified "Death Working" from Naos (Order Nine Angles shit) mixed with what standard LaVey stuff from the Satanic Bible; and some "Frenzy Magic" (ONA shit again). We had drums we just banged on at a certain cycle per second all the way thru and used Myrrh as incense.

When I got into this altered state of mind we call "Gnosis" I read her entire diary. The bitch was really descriptive about her sexual encounters with Mr.M. I felt like screaming my lungs out (which I did) and killing every one around me (figure of speech). Then you just go crazy and release every drop of pain and angry. We were beating on the toy truck with sticks and everyone was chanting: "Your dead Marcos, your fucking dead." In my mind as I was releasing all these feelings I basically saying - 'I want justice. I want Marcos to lose someone he loves dearly so he'll understand the pain he put me thru.'

After we were all exhausted, we built a little bon fire and burned the things we stole from them, and just watched in silence, smoking our cigarettes. Its like good hate sex when you go all out and release all those emotions in this chaotic frenzy, because afterwards your relaxed and feel like cuddling. Then we just let it go into the bond fire smoke and stopt thinking about the drama. Thats the most important part of a working - letting go completely, knowing, or trusting that its over regardless of weather the working works or not, because you let all those feelings out, and it bothers you no more.

On a superconscious level we are all connected. We all share a common collective psyche; or collective unconscious mind as Jung puts it. Each of our subconscious minds is a gateway into this collective abyss. No man is an island or closed system. The thoughts and feelings of one mind radiating affects everyone around him in a very real yet subtle way. What ever energy was put out that night while Mr.M slept will do something.

About two months after we did the working Mr.M's grandmom dies of old age. A week later his father dies of a heart attack. He sleeps around behind my ex's back (often breaking her heart - which she deserves) and he got a STD and nobody wanted to fuck him anymore. I was happy and thought I got what I wanted out of it. Me and my ex made up and became friends. But a year later (three months ago) she calls me up and say: Kayla, Marcos is in the hospital, he just called me, he was driving at night down a windy road and his truck flipped over the side and hit a tree. Half his body his busted.

I told her to go see what happened. Mr.M's left side is paralyzed. He'll be in a wheel chair for life. He also eats thru a tube. He's depressed and wants to die because he use to be a n active martial arts instructor with a healthy built body; now he's skinny.

Thats one of my personal experiences with a "curse." I wanted him dead, but I think I'd have it this way, so he can think about what he did while he's sucking on his tube.

~Kayla
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#6187 - 03/22/08 12:05 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Almost TMI Kayla. Almost... However, it is a good story and it is instructive. You see, your ritual worked. You purged yourself of negative energy and Mr. M got his just deserts. However, you really can't blame your LTR for wanting a little 'vitamin D' once in college. It has been my experience that most bi-women simply lack for good men. I have covered this elsewhere in some detail.

One of the reasons that 'we' do not discuss rituals much here is because so many of the newbies quickly take a nosedive into the realm of fantastical mumbo-jumbo. Remember, LaVey pretty well covers the worthlessness of so many presumed occultists in TSB. Understand ritual and the reasons for it.

In general, I simply see fit to use the lesser magic of intimidation. I avoid most conflict simply by playing to the fact that most people are physical and moral cowards.
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#6190 - 03/22/08 12:28 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
you really can't blame your LTR for wanting a little 'vitamin D' once in college. It has been my experience that most bi-women simply lack for good men. I have covered this elsewhere in some detail.
lol. I was young and not aware that bi girls needed some good "vitamin D[ick?]." See thats one of the things that hurts so much thoe, cuz it made me feel like I was inadequate, and unable to satisfy her sexually; i mean i got a draw full of substitute vitamin D's? And I was naive to think that she wouldn't change in college. I loved her, and she still means a lot to me. I never saw it as being her fault, because she ended it before she slept with Mr.M. I blamed it all on Mr.M. She was right, as you are; people do change during that transitional age when you leave your teen years behind and become a young adult in college - I did. It's a part of learning and growing up.

Its what makes mortal existence worth living. Like a good roller coaster with all its ups and downs and twists and turns. The heart aches that life brings, althoe it hurts, is beautiful, and wakes you up, making life more lively you know.

I understand your statement about the newbies diving into absurd occult mumbo-jumbo. It makes sense. Occult shenanigans isn't representative of what LaVeyan Satanism is. I'll keep "magical" posts to a minimum for their sake.

~Kayla

P.s. Whats TMI again?
oh... To Much Info?


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#6208 - 03/22/08 05:21 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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oooh, well that is a bit much I suppose. Yes, you know Fist rather, gave some advice I might think about, Kayla VERY appreciated as always. Though I wasn't thinking ritualistic anything when I had asked the question, not at all in fact. More of a sociological approach, even a bit of tormenting psyche, you know xtian manipulation to the 10th...ahhhh. This is the reason I chose the political section to post in. I think I may do better simply reading another book by machiavelli, always inspiring he is.

I hope you find love again kayla, though me I've never actually been in love. So, what you're describing is something I wish I could relate to....honestly that just came off as a bit nutty.

WHICH I ENTIRELY SUPPORT! :thumbsup:




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#6261 - 03/23/08 03:39 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Kon]
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Post removed for egregious crimes against spelling, punctuation, grammar and language.



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#6396 - 03/26/08 12:59 AM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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LUCIFERIFIC - To be honest i think what you did was rather uncalled for.
I dont really understand how you can cast the blame at the guy when he didnt really do anything wrong?
Its not like he stole her from you, she herself wanted to start doing things with him so you shouldnt cast that much blame on him. Rather her.


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#6462 - 03/27/08 08:54 AM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: TheMask]
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No shit. But that's just how our minds work when in emotional turmoil.
Have you ever been in love? Have you ever been tossed away for another man/woman?

In example, a man walks home and to the bedroom and finds his wife sleeping with another man. First he of course attacks the man because he is invading his territory and making use of another's possession (and I don't really mean women are possessions). I damn right would act like it myself.
This of course doesn't mean that the blame wasn't on the woman, but humans are after all somewhat territorial animals and act upon it. Invaders will be driven out or destroyed.

We all know who's fault it is, but it's rather foolish to expect rational thinking at a time like that. After the dust has settled it's time to throw the woman out in the snow.

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#6463 - 03/27/08 09:10 AM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: TheMask]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask
LUCIFERIFIC - To be honest i think what you did was rather uncalled for.


I appreciate your feedback Mask. But what truly matters in this situation is how I felt, and how the out come made ME feel.

Even if it is actually her fault, I'm one to rather side with a girl over a guy even if she is wrong. Bitches before Tricks. I don't care much for tricks, especially the kind that has no respect for me or what is mine.

K
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#6880 - 03/31/08 09:16 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I side with you on your reaction. But could there have been another means to get the same result?
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#6886 - 03/31/08 09:46 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Pan420]
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 Originally Posted By: Pan420
I side with you on your reaction. But could there have been another means to get the same result?
How? Shoot him? Hes a guy, I can't kick his ass. I thought about running him over with my car, but then i'd go to jail. See the important part is I released all my feelings productively so they won't fester up inside me and turn into psychosomatic diseases or something. Whatever happened to him afterwards, is just a coincidence.
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#7011 - 04/02/08 12:59 AM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Well I'd have to say I don't dissagree on how you released your feelings Kayla. It's true it was productive, and if anyone is going to feel hurt it is better someone else then yourself. Whatever happened, happened. It has come to pass and it was probabally for the better. I say good on yah. Theres no pain like love..
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#7109 - 04/03/08 04:20 AM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: PigFeeder]
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It seems there is no way to get rid of christianity. But why even try. For the will get rid of themselves and blame it on the devil. Any and every religion or philosophy will have its good points and bad points for they are created by the will of that individual and someone else will disagree, thats fine! It only becomes a problem when it causes harm to anoher simply because of difference of opinions. i dislike christianity because of therir history of genocide and their attempts to modernize their beliefs to keep up with the times.
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#7461 - 04/10/08 02:55 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Sinistar]
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Dear Members. I have deleted the shitload of irrelevant posts which made up most of this thread. I have also deleted a (very) few sensible posts which related to the aforementioned manure.I would strongly recommend a more respectful attitude between you sinners, and also mention that ganging up on a solitary individual is kinda distasteful. My thanx goes out to the members: Sinistar, Ta2zz and Daevid 777 for cleaning up some of the mess. The thread will be moved out of "Politics" and may be continued in its new location; Gen Con.

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#7462 - 04/10/08 03:32 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: TheMask]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask
I will surely follow your advice, doesnt seem like i should be wasting time on people like this anyway.

You may want to figure out how you put yourself in this situation though... Making them waste their time on you...

On getting rid of a Christian/s doesn't garlic or driving a stake through their heart work? Or is that vampires?

In reality make them think, learn their bible from cover to cover and know what the hot potatoes are that Christians do not like to talk about… Like Slavery, abortion, and god killing children because they thought him an old man… That always makes them angry then you can go on about how they are not acting, as their god would have them… How unsaved they are for they are for not seeing the true word of god… Etc…

If I am feeling a good Christian bashing coming on the argument that I like to bring is do you believe that god and prayer heals the sick and weak… Once they are hooked then I will hit them with what about amputees? Why has not one amputee in recorded time ever been healed by prayer are they all unsaved sinners?

Be prepared for them to counter with god saved them by only taking an arm or leg… Oh the fun from my youth remembered…

~T~


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#7589 - 04/13/08 02:04 AM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: ta2zz]
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First, I wan't to say "I love you Ta2zz". I was waiting for you to take a bite out of this chum, and I'm content now.

Otherwise, who the fuck did the blasphemous remark about Alice in Wonderland? Alice may have been a dipshit when she went in, but I do believe she was a changed person after the whole experience (as has been with me and acid, mushrooms, and some cacti local to me).

Now saying that, I probably misread your post, and if you meant "Alice going down the rabbit-hole" as a metaphor for immediate stupidity, then I stand corrected. My apologies. Sorry. But, if you meant "Alice" as a totally idiotic personality, regardless of experience, then fuck you.

That's all, no more, thank you, thank you... the rest of this dung-heap can be carried forth now. Sorry to have stopped by...
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#7867 - 04/17/08 08:40 AM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: daevid777]
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The mess is partially cleaned up.
Carry on if you will...



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#9167 - 05/28/08 04:03 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Pan420]
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Fundies tend to make me laugh. I have had my good share of Christians "harassing" me (for lack of a better word) with their religion. I usually tend to ignore them, give them an evil glare, you know all that stuff, if I am in not too good of a mood.

However, if I feel like it, sometimes I will hear them out, and then inform them how hypocritical and retarded their religion truly is. The funny thing is is that they just sit there and take it. They end up making stuff up or even insisting I go to church with them. Quite pathetic really.

I don't hate Christians, though. Sure, I definitely don't believe in their beliefs, but if somebody wants to "claim" they are Christian, I won't act against this. Unless they call me out, of course.

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#9168 - 05/28/08 04:06 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

In reality make them think, learn their bible from cover to cover and know what the hot potatoes are that Christians do not like to talk about… Like Slavery, abortion, and god killing children because they thought him an old man… That always makes them angry then you can go on about how they are not acting, as their god would have them… How unsaved they are for they are for not seeing the true word of god… Etc…


Truly entertaining to use their "logic" against them, I have found ;\)

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#9169 - 05/28/08 04:23 PM Re: Getting rid of a Christian/s [Re: Sonolin]
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As a student I have had to share buildings with those who study theology to become priests. I have walked the halls for almost five years with my Pentagram on, giving interviews to the faculty paper and to the media. Not even once have one of the Christians said anything, and the students from my own field of study have only had few and very polite questions. One time I commented on this to one of my fellow students, and she answered: "I don't think any of them dare to ask - they know how articulate you are, and they are probably afraid that you will answer!". The morality of the story is this: sometimes you don't have to debate or defend yourself if your belifes are known, and if people know you always have an answer on hand.

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