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#6333 - 03/24/08 11:59 PM wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...?
alazathor Offline
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let's see...
aliens. i always thought they never existed.
until recently...when my father dearest decided to get into all the shit about the end of the world and how the reptilians are taking over...
oh, and how there's been aliens communicating with certain people around the world at different times in history...
mmhmm. it's the start of an interesting time, my good friends.
the spelling may not be correct but the pleiadians (the good aliens) are trying to help the human race to counter the shit that's going to happen in the near future. and the reptilians (obviously the bad ones) are down under and trying to fuck up society and rule once more...
unfortunately, i don't know what to believe...
i know i'm not going to believe ANYTHING until i get to see those aliens up close and personal.

what do you think?
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#6336 - 03/25/08 12:38 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: alazathor]
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Feed your alien curiosity with the Raelian movement: http://www.rael.org/

Personally, I believe it's bull. Nibiru and Phaeton theories are easily dismissible. There are certainly mysteries in this world and beyond, but "aliens visiting earth" is just not a viable answer.
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#6338 - 03/25/08 12:45 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: alazathor]
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i read bringers of the dawn many many many moons ago that was also about the pleiadians, their was another book (earth something) if i remember right.but any ways all i remember about that book was how it talked of it being coded meant to unlock pieces of your subconscious memory and that cats where really the watchers evaluating our progress and evolution the spies if you will but that all i remember was a long long time ago .i did feel almost high after reading it thought witch was quite weird.
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#6343 - 03/25/08 01:20 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: rob_church]
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I dunno. I will say I'm pretty sleptical about the whole subject of aliens. I mean, I can kinda see that alien visitation to earth could be true. But the whole topic of alien guardian and watchers is pretty wacked out in my opinion.
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#6345 - 03/25/08 01:38 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: PigFeeder]
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Oh, i believe in aliens. Its pretty simple-minded to think that we are completely alone in this big universe.

When it comes to evil and good aliens it is an interesting subject but i mostly just believe that they may exist. Im not that read up on alien politics.

Btw, heres a video of a supposed Grey sitting in a chair.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=LSVbwgTKE6s

Its kind of spooky. Greys are a bit scary.
Do you think the video is real or fake?

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#6351 - 03/25/08 08:17 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: TheMask]
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haha. i'm not sure.
it looks kinda fake but so does almost every alien video on youtube...that, i've seen anyway...
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#6353 - 03/25/08 08:55 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: alazathor]
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Well it's funny that they should actually look like the commercial aliens we see on posters and the X-files...
To even consider that an alien on youtube could be real is beyond ridiculous...

I'm not saying they don't exist, but even with their supposed advanced technology it would be quite unprobable that they would just pay a visit to us an be off again. Our satellites and such haven't found a single planet nor a suitable galaxy where life could prosper, and even from them it would take hundreds of lifetimes to travel.

But if it's on the internet, I guess it's got to be real.

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#6368 - 03/25/08 05:30 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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Well I have to have scientific proof that life exsits beyond our realm, thats just the way I am on every subject. Other than than I can't deny the notion that 'alien' life may exsist. I have many vidoes and books on alien encounters and theories. The whole topic was a hobby of my late grandmother. Her and I would watch every new 'caught on tape alien blah blah blah', and to tell you the truth I want to believe that the footage was authentic, but come on independence day had good graphics too. I have sat up late at night and watched the skies and actually made myself a little transistor radio trying to convince myself that this thing is true. But all I ever did was made myself think that I heard or saw things that in reality were not even there. When some on wants to believe something hard enough they can. Just believe in what you believe in. For me I really don't know what to believe. But if aliens are real than I hope that they have some form of higher intelligence, cause I have some questions that I want answers to.
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#6394 - 03/26/08 12:03 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: alazathor]
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 Originally Posted By: alazathor
let's see...
aliens. i always thought they never existed.
until recently...when my father dearest decided to get into all the shit about the end of the world and how the reptilians are taking over...
oh, and how there's been aliens communicating with certain people around the world at different times in history...
mmhmm. it's the start of an interesting time, my good friends.
the spelling may not be correct but the pleiadians (the good aliens) are trying to help the human race to counter the shit that's going to happen in the near future. and the reptilians (obviously the bad ones) are down under and trying to fuck up society and rule once more...
unfortunately, i don't know what to believe...
i know i'm not going to believe ANYTHING until i get to see those aliens up close and personal.

what do you think?


My grandma told me yesterday that if I had nothing nice to say to people that I shouldn't say anything at all, so I won't talk about how slightly insane your dad sounds for her sake... god bless her heart. I love you granny.

Well see first we were made in Gods image. So obviously we're special in some way... So we thought ourselves to be the center of this world...

then these these guys discovered other planets besides the earth... but we were still special... we were at the center of this system of planets.

Then some guys discovered that the sun was at the center... but we were still special... we were the center of the universe.

Then the universe got really big, our galaxy ended up being some random galaxy out of billions, and our planet was this piece a shit one way out at the galactic rim... and everything is BIG!

Oh... but we're still special, cuz since the universe is so big, there are other life forms. Yes, and there are intelligent aliens in our own galaxies... of course... AND!... They give a shit about us! I mean who wouldn't, shit? Here's this island planet out in the middle of nowhere galactica, and all the natives have been doing since they were on this island planet were slaughter and kill each other.

That's like some advanced civilization like America in the 50's deciding: "Dude, i got an idea... lets use about 2 billion dollars, utilize a shit load of man power, and build a really super advanced air craft... then we fly it across 3000 miles of ocean, and visit that little backwards island Borneo... you know, the one with the wild head hunting natives and cannibals."

Sure Reptilians from Zeta Reticuli have left their star system to take over the earth; and some where far away in the Pleiadies beautiful aliens really give a shit about us because we're soo special, and these aliens have nothing else better to do with there time except to conspire against humanity or altruistically wanna love us, cuddle, and save us from 2012.

P.S.

Did you know the first report of a UFO siting ever made was misreported?

The reporter wrote down that the witness saw something like a saucer flying in the air; when the witness said he had seen something crescent shaped skipping across the air like a rock thrown across the surface of a lake...

Funny how ever since this initial report all those aliens went back home to rebuild their fucking space crafts to fit the reporters misrepresented writings.


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#6397 - 03/26/08 01:06 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: alazathor]
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 Originally Posted By: alazathor
haha. i'm not sure.
it looks kinda fake but so does almost every alien video on youtube...that, i've seen anyway...
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Most people on a different forum about UFO's labeled the video as fake. It looked quite authentic tho.

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#6407 - 03/26/08 04:02 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: alazathor]
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 Originally Posted By: alazathor
let's see...
aliens. i always thought they never existed.
until recently...when my father dearest decided to get into all the shit about the end of the world and how the reptilians are taking over...
oh, and how there's been aliens communicating with certain people around the world at different times in history...
mmhmm. it's the start of an interesting time, my good friends.
the spelling may not be correct but the pleiadians (the good aliens) are trying to help the human race to counter the shit that's going to happen in the near future. and the reptilians (obviously the bad ones) are down under and trying to fuck up society and rule once more...
unfortunately, i don't know what to believe...
i know i'm not going to believe ANYTHING until i get to see those aliens up close and personal.

what do you think?


I think you're delusional like everyone else who has their crack-pot religious ideas. These alien conspiracy theories are insulting to anyone of intelligence.

Aliens I think exist, there are plenty of planets capable of sustaining life in our galaxy we just need to investigate them. Whether any will have intelligent life that is capable of intersteller or even intergalactic travel is something we've yet to find out but I won't rule it out as possible.

It is still a debated scientific point as to whether we already found alien life on Europa (one of the moons of the gas giants, I think Saturns moon, but I may be mistaken). It is a multicellular creautre, similar to some of out complex bacteria. Some scientists argue that we contaminated the samples from the probe, others say the creatures where from the samples. These are however entirely new microbes so if they are not alien they are at least a new species.
That aside they're far from intelligent alien life. They've yet to become insects in the evolutionary pattern.
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#6411 - 03/26/08 11:06 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Greetings,

 Originally Posted By: alazathor
let's see...
aliens. i always thought they never existed.
until recently...when my father dearest decided to get into all the shit about the end of the world and how the reptilians are taking over...

Does your father believe in god? If so ask him where is gods place in these alien affairs… If he can believe in a god also realize that belief in anything make believe is possible after that…

When I was a young man I myself was fascinated with the possibilities of alien life and visitors… As I got older I have come to the realization that if we did capture something you and me are not in the need to know so I doubt we will ever get answers… Unless of course something were to happen on a scale that could not be hidden…

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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
That's like some advanced civilization like America in the 50's deciding: "Dude, i got an idea... lets use about 2 billion dollars, utilize a shit load of man power, and build a really super advanced air craft... then we fly it across 3000 miles of ocean, and visit that little backwards island Borneo... you know, the one with the wild head hunting natives and cannibals."

We would have done it if we believed that we were alone on the planet would we not? We spend billions of dollars on space probes, planetary missions, and planetary satellites… If we knew there was life lets say as advanced as the common rat heck even an earthworm (would that be planetworm)or ant… You be sure there would be billions of dollars used to study them…

Also putting the human perspective on something as such is more proof that we humans think we are so important… Who in the hell cannot say that aliens grow their ships or even are the ships themselves? When speculating such things it is best to throw out the box…

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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I think you're delusional like everyone else who has their crack-pot religious ideas. These alien conspiracy theories are insulting to anyone of intelligence.

It is amusing at times watching humans, more so when they are not threatening my space… I see no insult in knowing that people believe that the reptiles are here… Some believe they see god others demons… I will admit that the reptile thing is a bit overblown but that is due to YouTube … Cannot you see the split pupils on that grainy YouTube video?

In fact I almost replied first I was simply going to say “Too much YouTube” but decided to wait for more meat…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
It is still a debated scientific point as to whether we already found alien life on Europa (one of the moons of the gas giants, I think Saturns moon, but I may be mistaken). It is a multicellular creautre, similar to some of out complex bacteria. Some scientists argue that we contaminated the samples from the probe, others say the creatures where from the samples. These are however entirely new microbes so if they are not alien they are at least a new species.

This is insulting to those of intelligence at least to me… To sit there and state you might be wrong and continue to write as if you knew, without any research into the subject of which you speak…

Could you point me to something proving that we even had a probe return from Europa?

Could you point me to this so called discovery of a new multi-celled microbe from any planet other than earth please…

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My cousin shot this website at me 3 or 4 years ago… He had posted a link to it on the last version of this site… It is an interesting read and a fun story… I will link to it as entertainment material only…

The Sin of the Gods

Enjoy

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#6435 - 03/26/08 07:50 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ta2zz]
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Honestly, think about it.

If there were smart Aliens, why the hell would they want to come here? Its a violent, backward, ignorant, primitive type planet. We dont get along, have too many diseases, and the weather sucks.

I dont think they would have any use for us other than hunting, slave labor, or maybe some form of sex. I sure as shit don't think that they would "save" us from ourselves.

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#6441 - 03/26/08 09:48 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Who in the hell cannot say that aliens grow their ships or even are the ships themselves? When speculating such things it is best to throw out the box…


~T~


These were very interesting things you brought up Tats. See, I'm open minded. Lets say they either grew their ships, or like Drunvalo Melchizedek knew how to make "Merkabas" (space ships)...

How would they get here? How do you cross all those lights years fast enough?

We have spent billions of dollars sending our crappy satellites and rovers to different planets trying to find life due to that curiousity which we all have about what life is, and if we are alone, and one day if one of our probes did find an intelligent civilizations here's how it would go...

The Global Space Agency would immediately send out someone or someway to say hello and we'd say to them: "Holy shit guys, we've been looking for you... boy, it great to know we're not alone... whats that??? You guys have anvanced antigravity technology and have given up wars for a 1000 year cuz you guys are evolved?..."

Then we'd go civilize their people. Treat them like shit because they have purple skin and worship some crazy god. Then we'll commit genocide; like how we did to the natives of America, Canada, and Australia; we'd take their technology; and open up Wal Marts.

But what do these supposed aliens do? They cross trillions of lights years to get to the earth, and stay long enough for some crack head to see their ship, then vanish just before anyone can take a picture? Are they bored teenage aliens that stole their parents ship to play games with us?

And who made them? Did they evolve? Do planets everywhere just randomly evolve intelligent organisms? Because if they do then maybe life didn't just accidentally happen here on earth. It would mean their must be some universal law somewhere that generates life under favorable conditions, and then evolve that life into an intelligent species.

And if they are out there, then why can't we hear them? We've been listening for at least 20 years.

I can't at this moment right now think of an organism here on earth that does not compete and or exploit its enviornment and or other organisms for its own benefit.

It would be naive to think that we or NASA just sent those probes out there just to find aliens life and just to say HI GUY! Lets not forget we're human - you know - the same species that gave birth to Pol Pot, the Inquisition, the dark ages, Hitler...

Aliens may exists; but they have not been here. Because they are living organisms and also follow the same laws of nature, and if they we're here, we'd know... in a way like Iraq knows America is in their country.

Concidering how old this universe is (8-10 billion or more?) one would think that this would give one planet out there enough time to have evolved an intelligent race long before the earth even began having life on it. In time these ancient alient civilizations, even after 100 years of a state of technological advancement would begun to leave their world to explore their moons... how would these civilizations be after 100,000 years?

They would have seeded every star system near their mother star with their people, and would have surrounded their worlds with space cities... NOISE... like radiowaves... electrical heat... They would have also been curious about weather life existed on other planets... and would have at least sent a probe to star systems beyond their reach. We have already. We've already sent a probe towards Alpha Centauri (it'll take about 50,000 years... but it will get there).

Why are we still alone? Where is the noise. It's been billions and billions of years.




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#6444 - 03/26/08 10:31 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
If there were smart Aliens, why the hell would they want to come here? Its a violent, backward, ignorant, primitive type planet. We dont get along, have too many diseases, and the weather sucks.

All from a human perspective… True that the quest for knowledge may also be a human endeavor also…

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
I dont think they would have any use for us other than hunting, slave labor, or maybe some form of sex. I sure as shit don't think that they would "save" us from ourselves.

Funny those subjects are covered in that story I linked to…

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#6446 - 03/26/08 11:40 PM Look at the size of that thing!!! [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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In the one direction…


Hubble's Deepest View of the Universe Unveils Bewildering Galaxies across Billions of Years

“The image, called the Hubble Deep Field (HDF), was assembled from 342 separate exposures taken with the Wide Field and Planetary Camera 2 (WFPC2) for ten consecutive days between December 18 and 28, 1995.

Representing a narrow "keyhole" view stretching to the visible horizon of the universe, the HDF image covers a speck of the sky only about the width of a dime located 75 feet away. Though the field is a very small sample of the heavens, it is considered representative of the typical distribution of galaxies in space because the universe, statistically, looks largely the same in all directions. Gazing into this small field, Hubble uncovered a bewildering assortment of at least 1,500 galaxies at various stages of evolution.”

Full report and hi res pictures can be found here and here

Looking back…



"On February 14, 1990, NASA commanded the Voyager 1 spacecraft, having completed its primary mission, to turn around to photograph the planets of the Solar System.[2] One image Voyager returned was of Earth, showing up as a "pale blue dot" in the grainy photo.

Sagan gives the distance as 3.7 billion miles in the book, while NASA website describes it as "more than 4 billion miles" (6.4 billion kilometres)."

Full report here

Perhaps it is best to leave you with a picture and some words it inspired from Carl Sagan…

“Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader", every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.” ~ Carl Sagan

To hear it in his own voice

Pale blue dot

~T~

What do you expect to hear with something as primitive as radio?
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#6449 - 03/27/08 12:05 AM Re: Look at the size of that thing!!! [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

In the one direction…


Hubble's Deepest View of the Universe Unveils Bewildering Galaxies across Billions of Years

~T~

What do you expect to hear with something as primitive as radio?


Thanks T.

I guess a picture is worth a thousand words. I know its arrogant for us to think that we're all thats in that picture. I really like Sagan, what he says is very profound. This picture just make you wonder WHY its all here. I love science fiction and really do wish there is life out there. They're probably out there; but I don't believe they have ever been here to our neck of the woods.

So far my favorite galaxy is the Sombrero Galaxy.
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#6459 - 03/27/08 03:01 AM Re: Look at the size of that thing!!! [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I remember watching a TV show some 5 or 6 years ago and it was saying that if you estimate the life of earth and our sun, how long it has taken to form intelligent life and how long that might last for, then work out how many times it may happen in the universe then they came to the conclusion that it would be highly unlikely for us to make contact with another civilisation in the unisverse.

The said it would be more like lights on a christmas tree lighting up one at a time. The chances of two of them lighting at the same time and being close enough to communicate were extremely unlikely. I can't remember the odds, or the name of the show (if it does come to me or I find it I'll link to it later) but I found that it made a fair bit of sense to me.

I am open to it happening however, hell the statement truth is stranger than fiction came about for a reason. However.......
I find the thought that there are already aliens here very very difficult to beleive. There are a whole lot of conspiricy theories that make alot more sense than that particular one.

On a slightly different topic, my born again Christin friend whom I often talk to about Satanism, after talking to her about how she managed to delude herself into beleiving in creation, gave me a DVD to watch (for the pretty pictures), in which the first part of it, the minister was going on about the reason God made the universe SOOOOOOO big and us such an insignificant part of it was to show off! For us to feel AWE at what he can do to impress us. And to make us feel HUMBLE that we were not the center of the universe etc etc etc.

Make me laugh, it did.

Zeph

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#6460 - 03/27/08 03:38 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
It is still a debated scientific point as to whether we already found alien life on Europa (one of the moons of the gas giants, I think Saturns moon, but I may be mistaken). It is a multicellular creautre, similar to some of out complex bacteria. Some scientists argue that we contaminated the samples from the probe, others say the creatures where from the samples. These are however entirely new microbes so if they are not alien they are at least a new species.

This is insulting to those of intelligence at least to me… To sit there and state you might be wrong and continue to write as if you knew, without any research into the subject of which you speak…

Could you point me to something proving that we even had a probe return from Europa?

Could you point me to this so called discovery of a new multi-celled microbe from any planet other than earth please…


First of all, mistaken as to whether Europa was a moon of Saturn or not, I couldn't be arsed to look it up. You know this and you're trying to make it appear as though I don't know anything on the subject based on me admitting that I'm unsure on a fact that has no effect on the outcome of my point and bares no relation to the facts I'm stating. This is an irritating habit of yours. Does it make you feel big to twist peoples words in an inane attempt to make them look stupid or are you so stupid that you actually think as you appear to do so?

As for my point. Believe it or not, I don't research everything 3 minutes before discussing it. I do use my own knowledge, reasoning and memory as a source for a lot of my arguments. This means I don't have a handy little webpage that I can link to for every point I make. I just want to get that clear because apparently your own opinion, idea or knowledge means jack shit on the internet now. What you say only means something if some other asshole said it before you, and I hate that idea. Normally I would be quite so defensive about this but for some reason I feel the need.

Lastly, I have looked it up. Europa is a moon of Jupiter, I was mistaken. There are a few sources that state we sent a sample probe in 2003 that I found in the library, one that says we sent a probe in 2005, others say we cancelled the probe in 2005, some that claim we've never landed on it but have sent orbital probes to take photos and one that claims that we will likely not land on Europa until 2017 so I've no idea which to believe however I distinctly remember a few years ago watching something on the Discovery Channel about people arguing over whether the Europan ice contained a contaminate from Earth or actual alien bacteria.

Interestingly enough I also managed to find claims in books that they had found Martian microbes in the ice samples brought back from Mars as well... something tells me that digging fact from fiction out of all of this is not going to be easy, especially with the conspiracy nuts claiming the moon landing was fake and idiots like the 'flat earth society' coming up with crap so that their precious bibles ain't disproven.
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#6604 - 03/29/08 10:40 AM Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Wrong again…

It is a normal human emotion to first feel scorned when proven wrong… As Satanist you should realize I do not need you to say you were wrong… But I would hope you would think, admit to yourself that your were mistaken, and move on learning from the exchange…

Sadly that is hardly ever the scenario…

Simply put don’t write things as fact when you clearly do not have any knowledge of the subject or cannot be assed out to educate yourself… When you do so you do a disservice to yourself and any member of this forum… The fact that you stated you were unsure on something is ok by me but you then go on to mislead anyone reading to think that we are in possession of life possibly from another celestial body… Expect to be asked to produce evidence…

You are on a Satanic website the way this site has worked in the past is if you say something be ready to back it up… So you want to say it’s a bad thing to know about what you speak of, to gain knowledge before you form your opinion, to continually better yourself through learning? Is my Satanism too critical or harsh for you?

It is not your opinion that I was pointing out flaws with it was your statement of unsupported facts… If you cannot support your own facts then your opinions are pointless… Why does someone enhancing their posts with links to pictures, movies, or websites as evidence for the basis of their opinion seem to bother you?

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Does it make you feel big to twist peoples words in an inane attempt to make them look stupid or are you so stupid that you actually think as you appear to do so?

Does this sentence even make sense? Me feel big from a post on the Internet, twisting words? It does make me chuckle when someone gets so uptight over being shown the facts…

TC I have been here for a long time… If I did not contribute, if were here to simply boost my E-persona then I would have resided on the ban list a long long time ago… Get over your assumptions already… Picking up that banner like you and a few others have tried just makes you look ignorant…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
You know this and you're trying to make it appear as though I don't know anything on the subject based on me admitting that I'm unsure on a fact that has no effect on the outcome of my point and bares no relation to the facts I'm stating. This is an irritating habit of yours.

As is your blatant ignorance… But lets not have that get in the way… Lets stick to the topic shall we?

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Interestingly enough I also managed to find claims in books that they had found Martian microbes in the ice samples brought back from Mars as well...

Really? We brought back ice from Mars? How was this accomplished and when?

You might be confusing this information you remember with the meteorites that we say came from mars (found on earth) and the microscopic bacteria looking fossils left behind in the rock… Found Here

My problem again with your post is you declare that we have found other life in the form of microbes from ice on Europa or at least contaminated ice with our own bacteria… Yet when challenged you

A. Have no proof…
B. Try to turn this all around as a problem with me…
C. Continue to quote so called books you have read without supplying the name of these books…
D. Blame the lack of information on religious and conspiracy fanatics…

So I ask why bother posting this drivel?

~T~

Smile it is not all bad…

Could it be bigfoot?
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#6609 - 03/29/08 12:11 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: ta2zz]
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Ta2zz and TC, you both make good points actually, regarding information, and discussions.

On one hand, it is a good idea to have as much information as possible when discussing a subject, with resources to refer to, if available, so that those who find a deeper interest in the subject matter, can do a bit of research on their own, to reach a conclusion.

On the other hand, with all the information now available, I find it almost impossible to read everything that is out there. (Although, when I really want to find out about something that is important to me, the internet gobblins seem to hide everything).

There is also a personal time limit. I can only surf the net, so many hours out of my day. I cannot possibly read everything on a particular subject that is out there, yet at the same time, if I become interested and excited about something, I might just want to throw it out there to see what others know about it.

Like many other people, I am still able to become excited over something to the point of having a “tunnel vision” about it, and perhaps desiring something to be true to the point of subconsciously ignoring facts, which might oppose that view.

When it comes to space Aliens, in my younger days, I wanted it to be a fact so much, that I would embrace any possible idea or claim to verify their existence, and the source of the information did not matter so much. I may have been much more easily misguided back then, yet, it was a more “magical” and exciting time.

Now that I am an old fart, and question everything, I find the world to be considerably more dull. This is not to say, that I would rather have my head in the clouds, and live in a fantasy world. I prefer what I perceive to be reality more, but it does lack that “magic.”

Basically what I am trying to say, is that for the sake of discussion, I don’t believe that we have to be research specialists to have a discussion here, as long as we have something of mutual interest to discuss, but in that case, it would not be beneficial for us to feel offended if someone rips our argument apart with more facts, as long as it is done in the spirit of “enlightenment,” and education.

Getting back to the subject matter of space aliens, I could talk for hours about the possibilities, because of the universes infinite size (if it is infinite), the odds of other life forms forming out there, claims by others of close encounters, the government and it’s role in mis-information and such.

However, all I can honestly say, without any doubt is, “How the fuck should I know?”
I have never seen a space alien, or even a UFO. Although my parents have a very believable and interesting experience they swear to. They appear quite sane and down to earth, but I have never dug in their basement. It could be full of bodies.

I just don’t know.
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#6613 - 03/29/08 12:43 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: ta2zz]
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You are offensively condescending ain't you ta2zz? Is there a reason you act like this online?

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator

Does it make you feel big to twist peoples words in an inane attempt to make them look stupid or are you so stupid that you actually think as you appear to do so?

Does this sentence even make sense?


Yes. It is perfectly correct grammatically, unfortunately on reading this back it is hard to grasp the meaning behind the sentence, especially out of content, however you may find it easier to understand if you drop the last two words of the sentence.

I'm not going to bother engaging you in debate any longer ta2zz, you are immature and insulting when there is no need or value in doing so. Sure you're a Satanist, why should you pull punches and entertain nonsense just to preserve the feeling of someone on the internet? You shouldn't. However does being a Satanist remove all sense of manners, etiquette, compassion and common courtesy? Are you incapable of disagreeing with someone and telling them they are wrong without belittling them or insulting them. Your posts are an endless array of ad hominem and reductio ad absurdum arguments designed with the intent of bolstering your ego. The only reason I have not added you to my ignore list is that I prefer to see the entirety of any topic of discussion, blocking what you say would damage the continuity of the discussions.

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
If I did not contribute, if were here to simply boost my E-persona then I would have resided on the ban list a long long time ago

Believe me when I say, if I had access to the big "ban" button it would have taken a lot of self control to not ban you for being personally abusive to so many people, albeit slyly enough that it doesn't appear malicious. You're not banned because you've not outright broken the rules here and I agree with those rules, you're disliked for being an asshole and treating people on here as though they are perpetually below you.

For example assuming that I must be confused by the book that claimed we found like in the ice cap on Mars. No I meant what I said, I found a fucking book in the library that claimed we had discovered life in the ice on Mars. I never claimed the book was right did I, in fact there where connotations in my post that shown I was sceptical of the validity of the book if you didn't keep quoting me out of context. And guess what else, I didn't decide to mark down the title of this book for future reference in a debate with you. I was idly looking though books in the library, but then the idea that people don't file away everything they read for future reference during "I OWNZ j00 on teh iNtErNeTz" competitions is somewhat alien to you isn't it.

I will not be replying to you in future ta2zz, you show neither me, nor the majority of the members on this site any respect and I will therefore be ignoring you from this point on until I am otherwise convinced that you have stopped acting in you childish and insulting manner. I encourage others to do the same.
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#6615 - 03/29/08 12:59 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Print is so hard to understand at times, especially since we can’t here the tone of the poster's voice. Not that i'm a brown nosing dork, but I don't feel belittled when Ta2zz trumps my intelligence. Its like constructive criticism in a way. I think debating should be more an exchange of ideas and opinions to add to what ideas and opinions we might already have. Thats my two dollars. I'll let you two go at each other and watch the drama. When I read posts that seem to attack my intelligence I imagine the person who posted it signing it to me like in an opera; that way it doesn't feel like i'm being attacked and i won't take it personally \:\) Tats and Asmedeus are great opera signers lol. Anyways.

<3 Kayla


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#6618 - 03/29/08 02:11 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Perhaps, but it's only ta2zz who I find offensive. Others I find abrasive at times, like rob_church or Zeph but it's just the way they've typed something and can often be attributed to a misunderstanding, misinterpretation or a failure to convey tone thus it can be overlooked as you said. ta2zz isn't like that. He's consistently offensive and abrasive, so as rule eight states "Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself", I'm no longer subjecting myself to ta2zz insults.
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#6619 - 03/29/08 02:19 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Darnit then TC. No more drama. Me and you we're like the Prom King and Queen of this club. Seems like a third of all the posts is just either me or you lol. I wanna be the Prom King. About this alien jazz, i guess we can simply say: fuck it? whats it matter if they exists or not, doesn't directly effect us either way huh?
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#6620 - 03/29/08 02:32 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I'm sure I'll cave eventually and have a go at ta2zz for something... I'm not known for keeping to the Satanic rules particularly well, especially when something I'm passionate about is brought into it, so no panic, the drama won't end entirely.

As for the Prom King/Queen positions, I think we make a good couple for it, but be warned, I'm not ready for a commitment... I'm just been hurt too many times goddammit.... *whimper*

As for alien life. I've always found it intriguing. I want there to be alien life, that's why I wish I could find the damn documentary that said about the sample from Europa because I want it to be true, but more than half the sources I check say we've not even landed on Europa. I'm lost as to what is fact or not any more on this topic, the sources can't seem to agree and most the ones online are out of date, strangely enough. I guess I'll have to deal with not knowing for now.
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#6622 - 03/29/08 02:40 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I'm sure I'll cave eventually and have a go at ta2zz for something... I'm not known for keeping to the Satanic rules particularly well, especially when something I'm passionate about is brought into it, so no panic, the drama won't end entirely.

As for the Prom King/Queen positions, I think we make a good couple for it, but be warned, I'm not ready for a commitment... I'm just been hurt too many times goddammit.... *whimper*

As for alien life. I've always found it intriguing. I want there to be alien life, that's why I wish I could find the damn documentary that said about the sample from Europa because I want it to be true, but more than half the sources I check say we've not even landed on Europa. I'm lost as to what is fact or not any more on this topic, the sources can't seem to agree and most the ones online are out of date, strangely enough. I guess I'll have to deal with not knowing for now.


You're right, we do make a good prom king and queen couple. we're both sexy, smart, somewhat articulate, and sociable. lol, you whimpered. awe, i would never break your heart.

TC, have you ever heard of the "Panspermia" theory? What if we're looking for signs of like in all the wrong places. We assume that biological life starts on a planet; what if life begins in space? Like the nebulous clouds? I've read somewhere that amino acids were found in some of these. Than i read somewhere that there is a cloud of alcohol in space the size of a galaxy. Fakepropht will be very interested in this galactic cloud of beer \:\)


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#6623 - 03/29/08 03:22 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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There is a theory that life on earth itself began in space and was brought in via meteorites, it has no evidence to back it up at present so it dismissed by some scientist but it's something that's yet to be investigated, so I can see it as a possibility.
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#6656 - 03/29/08 07:12 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Than i read somewhere that there is a cloud of alcohol in space the size of a galaxy. Fakepropht will be very interested in this galactic cloud of beer
What?! How do I get there? I will have my mug in hand. Hang it out the window as we pass through. A galaxy of alcohol. How long until Hooters builds a space shuttle and books flights there? I better start drinking cheaper beer and saving pennies for that flight.
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#6659 - 03/29/08 07:33 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
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Than i read somewhere that there is a cloud of alcohol in space the size of a galaxy. Fakepropht will be very interested in this galactic cloud of beer
What?! How do I get there? I will have my mug in hand. Hang it out the window as we pass through. A galaxy of alcohol. How long until Hooters builds a space shuttle and books flights there? I better start drinking cheaper beer and saving pennies for that flight.

LOL! Thats your home galaxy Proph! Its true thoe. I read it in a science journal about organic compounds in outer space. There's a cloud of alcohol as big as a galaxy out there. There is a God!
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#6664 - 03/29/08 08:14 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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There is? I've yet to see this galaxy of liberating libation fluids, I'd probably drink myself to the closest comatose state I could while I still had the power to laugh at death as I passed it by.
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#6666 - 03/29/08 08:19 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: Kon]
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Get your own alcohol galaxy. This one is mine.
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#6668 - 03/29/08 08:25 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: fakepropht]
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Sounds like the prayer of a dying human to me, here let me help you. Unless you think a galaxy is something a typical quart of liquor holds inside?

pray for death, when you're there send me a postcard ;\) I'll be back to flirt with it.
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#6673 - 03/29/08 09:00 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: Kon]
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You know you're a drunk when.....

You try to buddy up to the arresting officer by offering him a drink from the open container between your knees.

“Taking the edge off” usually means waking up on your lawn.

You’ve stopped drinking, but only when you’re asleep.

You receive divorce papers from your liver and it wants full custody of the kidneys.

Your streetside recycling company has to bring an extra truck.

Your liver has a restraining order on you.

You show up to brewery tours wearing fins and a snorkel.

You’ve put a dozen vampires into A.A.
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#6674 - 03/29/08 09:02 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I encourage others to do the same.


So in the last week, you've threatened to make a list to ignore of people who don't answer your questions how you want them answered, belittled a few people yourself in a very annoying manner, "The members of this forum are likely more intelligent so the rest of this post is likely unneeded but I'll post it anyway." Condescending..."Here is a hint, " also condescending
"I think you're delusional like everyone else who has their crack-pot religious ideas. These alien conspiracy theories are insulting to anyone of intelligence." Have a swipe at someone as you dismiss their opinions completely...should I go on and on like you seems to do.

I mean really 1 or 2 hundred words to say you're not going to argue with Ta2zz anymore whilst still getting your argument in?

So you find me a little abrasive. Good, that's how I really am. Actually most misogynists downright loathe me in the flesh. Why do you keep naming names as in "i find Rob Church and Zeph blah blah blah, you've done so a few times now. I take it you are actively trying to get me involved. Well no worries I'm involved.

This is really starting to get like school. Actually both Lucy and you are not far out of school age and it's blatantly obvious.
Let's get all passive aggressive and make lists of the people we don't like and want to ostracise.

Thankfully Xear didn't make you a moderator and the reason why is obvious. You'd do a crap job at it. Like I would. I'm not here to practise my conflict resolution skills.

In Ta2zz defense (not that he needs it of course), but he does show the majority of people on this site respect. At least as much as you do.

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#6676 - 03/29/08 10:02 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl

So in the last week, you've threatened to make a list to ignore of people who don't answer your questions how you want them answered, belittled a few people yourself in a very annoying manner


People didn't have to answer the question, they could choose not to post. Remember though, we're talking about a group of Satanists. A group that, by it's very nature, is arrogant, smarmy and self-obsessed. You ask a Satanist a simple question and they will ask you to define a word from the question just to be a fucking ass... I know because I'm one of these people. When I said I would ignore anyone who didn't just answer the fucking question I meant it, because Satanist are the very type of people who would skirt around the question by asking me to "define God", in fact PEOPLE DID THIS ANYWAY!

If you are denying this character trait amongst this group then you need to look closer, or maybe it was just a little bitter to swallow.

I wanted straight answers and made it damn clear I wasn't going to take any bullshit. I said how the members of this forum where intelligent enough to not need the additional comments as a compliment, but put them there anyway for the benefit of the occasional moron that walks into this forum.

You are an intelligent person Zeph and as much as we clash I have respect for you because you show yourself to be an intelligent person. I mean nothing more than what I say, I find you somewhat abrasive at times. Would you rather I lied about this and was accommodating and pleasant like on any other forum filled with people constantly lying to each other or would you rather I treated you with enough respect to openly tell you that you occasionally piss me off?

As for Xear making me a moderator, I wasn't even informed that he was considering it. If I was asked I would probably accept but saying that I have no desire to lord power over people. If I am respected great, if I am not, oh well... their loss. I may dislike the way some people act on this forum, but you'll notice I have said on multiple occasions that I am a supporter of free speech in its truest forum. I consider the implication that I would abuse moderator rights as being an attack on my character, I would say you're better than that Zeph but you've done so a few times now so I'm starting to wonder if you actually are.

And as for bringing up age. I'm 22 next month, I have been living on my own since I was 17. I have experienced plenty of life. Bringing age into these arguments is really rather puerile of you. I thought you judged people based on who they are and their accomplishments, personality and overall demeanour, not how many cycles of the sun their body has been on this rock for.

I am occasionally condescending I will admit, I have been a little overbearing and I can be a harsh in some responses but it's not meant maliciously and I hope people realise this. I say what I think, nothing more, nothing less. Don't like it, don't read it.
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#6678 - 03/29/08 10:48 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: TornadoCreator]
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So why are you having a direct go at Ta2zz for doing the same?

You have just proven my point beautifully for me TC. I couldn't have done it better myself.

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#6679 - 03/29/08 10:52 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
So why are you having a direct go at Ta2zz for doing the same?

You have just proven my point beautifully for me TC. I couldn't have done it better myself.

ZephyrGirl


mmmmmmmmm....

You cannot hear my words maybe you can hear your own?

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
You are offensively condescending ain't you ta2zz? Is there a reason you act like this online?

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Scrap this start over... Thanks Zeph... ;\)

~T~

PS I act like this in person too… It works for me…
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#6680 - 03/29/08 10:55 PM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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This thread is more like a bar. We talked about crazy things like aliens; talked about a galaxy made of beer; now there's a bar fight.

I know i'm young, and i know most of my posts are dumb; and i know i'm fresh outa high school. I admit it in different post. I tried to end my feud with Amina because i figure it would stop the thread from growing to a 10 page saga. I didn't intentionally step on anyone's toes. Originally i was trying to support Tats. but at the same time recognizing that TC has nice qualities about him, as most of us here do \:\)

Kayla


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#6682 - 03/29/08 11:59 PM Scotty, Beam me up... [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Bar fight?

The day I cannot question a Satanists integrity on their understanding and practices, intelligently in whatever tone I so choose will be the day I stop posting publicly here…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Perhaps, but it's only ta2zz who I find offensive. Others I find abrasive at times, like rob_church or Zeph but it's just the way they've typed something and can often be attributed to a misunderstanding, misinterpretation or a failure to convey tone thus it can be overlooked as you said. ta2zz isn't like that. He's consistently offensive and abrasive, so as rule eight states "Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself", I'm no longer subjecting myself to ta2zz insults.

You actually broke the rule you quoted posting that…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I'm sure I'll cave eventually and have a go at ta2zz for something... I'm not known for keeping to the Satanic rules particularly well, especially when something I'm passionate about is brought into it, so no panic, the drama won't end entirely.

Bring it… But as I brought it first, you need to address a few of the questions unanswered about your integrity… You are passionate about your integrity are you not TC?

Such as…

Why does someone enhancing their posts with links to pictures, movies, or websites as evidence for the basis of their opinion seem to bother you?

Why do you feel above the need to be asked for proof to your fantastical claims?

Do you understand that with which you label yourself?

Thanks

~T~

To help you understand my mood…

Have a sparkling evening ole' chap…


Just for you LUCI…


Edited by ta2zz (03/30/08 12:10 AM)
Edit Reason: the fat man sings...
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#6683 - 03/30/08 12:13 AM Re: Scotty, Beam me up... [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz



Just for you LUCI…


LOL... bigaro bigaro. I wonder what you actually look like. I imagine you looking like willy wonka when your doing opera in my head. by the way, that wasn't meant as a disrespectful thing Tats.

\:\) Kayla
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#6693 - 03/30/08 01:24 AM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I wasn't having a go at you Lucy. This isn't an us vs them thing. On reflection there was probably no need to include your name at all. The king and queen of prom thing just put the two of you at school together in my head I guess.

I am also not sticking up for Ta2zz as such, just trying to point out to TC that what annoys him about Ta2zz is something he does also.

Zeph

P.S. I don't want to get into a pissing competition about life experience, especially with someone under 30.
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#6694 - 03/30/08 01:35 AM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
I wasn't having a go at you Lucy. This isn't an us vs them thing. On reflection there was probably no need to include your name at all. The king and queen of prom thing just put the two of you at school together in my head I guess.

I am also not sticking up for Ta2zz as such, just trying to point out to TC that what annoys him about Ta2zz is something he does also.

Zeph

P.S. I don't want to get into a pissing competition about life experience, especially with someone under 30.


I thought you were mad at me for a second. \:\)
Like maybe you had a bad day?

Thats true you have more experience in living life.
I can't say I've experience much of anything. The age I'm at is where one is barely beginning to experience life out of the nest.

<3 Kayla
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#6708 - 03/30/08 03:00 AM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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LoL,Hellfire,Brimstone!!!!
Hes playing inside my thoughts also!!!!

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#6710 - 03/30/08 03:03 AM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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 Originally Posted By: Isaak w shipley
LoL,Hellfire,Brimstone!!!!
Hes playing inside my thoughts also!!!!

Are you okay Isaak? Who is he? The elephant?
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#6713 - 03/30/08 03:30 AM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Yes, Im just enjoying your moon tonight.Building some enchanting
talk and art,have you noticed if there is any stars on the west none here inside the sky for 2days no joke.I think everybody is feeling some different but good energy tonight on the forums.Your moon-love child is the bomb tonight,but where in the black void is the stars.

"Dam# those green starfu##ers."
INC...................

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#6716 - 03/30/08 05:29 AM Re: Bring me aliens humans suck... [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
I am also not sticking up for Ta2zz as such, just trying to point out to TC that what annoys him about Ta2zz is something he does also.

In that case I will make every effort to identify that in my self and change that quality in myself. One of the most irritating things for people, can often be seeing their own faults mirrored in other people, perhaps this is why I find ta2zz so irritating, but I hope I am not nearly as condescending or insulting.
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#6850 - 03/31/08 03:01 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: TheMask]
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Actually it's simple minded to believe we are not alone. Consider the astronomical odds of the conditions of life as we know it developing on earth, and the fact that we are all still alive at all. It's virtually impossible, if not highly improbable, that these conditions have been reproduced somewhere else in the universe and, additionally, that life still remains or has evolved into something as complex as a human being.

If we are not alone we are most certainly the most complex living organisms in the universe.

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#6851 - 03/31/08 03:04 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: Morgan]
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Its a violent, backward, ignorant, primitive type planet.


It's likely the only planet that has any form of complex life on it, so it is only "violent, backward, ignorant, [and] primitive" relative to man-made science fiction, fantasy, and utopia genre films and books.

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#6868 - 03/31/08 07:06 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ballbreaker]
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I meant it in regards to an intelligent alien life form. As to why they don't make contact, if they exist.

As to scifi, fantasy, & genre films, well. Its just conjecture. Then again remember that men landing or going to the moon was a fanasty too.

You have to imagine, dream, then dare to create something new, or else all is static.

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#6903 - 03/31/08 10:25 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: Morgan]
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Really, the lunar landing was a hoax eh? Impressive.

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You have to imagine, dream, then dare to create something new, or else all is static.


Wow, sounds like a bank slogan. What is it supposed to really mean?

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#6965 - 04/01/08 07:52 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ballbreaker]
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Arghh dude...

The man landing on the moon was part of a silent movie from the 1920's. I will pull out my college film books to find the name if you want it.

Come on, stop being dense...
How much do you want me to dumb it down...

"You have to imagine, dream, then dare to create something new, or else all is static."

If you want something....
You look at it...
OR
You dream about it...
You think about it..
YOu imagine how to do it...
You start the dream of it working...
You create a model..
You create a working model...
You get a patent...
You have something new.

Without the thought and inventive process, you wouldn't have the computer in your hands or any new technology.

Come on, I know you are not stupid at all.

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#6978 - 04/01/08 09:17 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ballbreaker]
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Hey BB,

 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
Actually it's simple minded to believe we are not alone. Consider the astronomical odds of the conditions of life as we know it developing on earth, and the fact that we are all still alive at all.

Who said anything about life, as we know it? Consider the odds…

Did you read this thread?

 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
It's virtually impossible, if not highly improbable, that these conditions have been reproduced somewhere else in the universe and, additionally, that life still remains or has evolved into something as complex as a human being.

Only time will tell if we break free from out little prison of rock…

 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
If we are not alone we are most certainly the most complex living organisms in the universe.

That is one of the most simple minded things I have heard come from you yet BB…

Peace

~T~

PS. The facts can easily to point to the lunar landings being a hoax… Even though it is clear this is not what Morgan was talking about…


Just for you Morgan…
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#7027 - 04/02/08 02:33 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ta2zz]
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Correct me if I'm wrong ta2zz, but are you claiming that you think the moon landing is a hoax?
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#7048 - 04/02/08 11:15 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Wrong as usual…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Correct me if I'm wrong ta2zz, but are you claiming that you think the moon landing is a hoax?

Actually what I said was this…

“The facts can easily to point to the lunar landings being a hoax…”

While what I meant was this…

The facts can easily point to the lunar landings being a hoax… I know it is very unbecoming of me to have missed an extra word like that…

In reality I did not say anything about my personal beliefs on the lunar landing… I simply stated that if one follows the facts and considers the motives a faked lunar landing is quite possible…

Please try harder…

~T~
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#7050 - 04/02/08 01:34 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ta2zz]
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#7054 - 04/02/08 03:28 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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...whatever

general response:

I think aliens are real, as I've seen several UFO's. I don't care to talk about it or discuss what they looked like. I actually don't like the idea of there being UFO's around or aliens. .Call me a scaredy cat, but it's just not cool.

I don't like space aliens.

Well, maybe big cosmic space goats...yeah

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#7068 - 04/02/08 06:36 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: 97and107]
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I've seen a few UFO's before, chances are what you've seen are weather balloons, blimps, aircraft etc. I can't say for sure, but I'm fairly certain the things I've seen could be explained as earth origin.
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#7085 - 04/02/08 10:01 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
ta2zz, fuck you. I don't need to try harder you waste of fucking space. I don't need any form of recognition or acceptance from you, you self-righteous intolerable prick. I simply asked you to clarify something, as your post was unclear. Is being civil to others something you are pathologically incapable of or is there another reason you act in such a disgusting manner?

You just went from ignorant to stupid…

I was being civil by answering your question… After all how much clearer can I make it for you? It is not my problem that you cannot understand the things you read… Take a course in comprehension and better yourself…

Personally I find your hissy fit and following name calling to be well out of character for someone out of grade school… But then again you need personal interaction to develop your social skills… I am sure that playing a subscription based mmorpg such as EVE will not help you to develop these real world skills any faster… Try going outside a bit…

Don’t try to pull the ohhh poor me ta2zz has been so mean to me crap… When you know you thought you were going to prove something with your question… Hence my pleading with you to try harder next time…

Can’t we just agree to disagree? After all I deal with your ignorance with every post of yours I read… You have very little understanding of human behavior… And I must admit I enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself, almost daily… Ever think that might be why you are allowed to be so out of touch with reality yet are still welcomed here?

It is funny how most of the ignoramuses that I have a go at always tend do exactly what they complain about… I have already stated that you need do nothing for me you should want to do some of these things for yourself… Now you do understand I have no need for recognition or acceptance from you either… I also have no responsibility to explain my way or myself to you…

In fact I ask, “Who the fuck are you to think I need to explain myself to you”…

So may I simply suggest that you shut the fuck up… The next time you decide to shit yourself you may want to take it to a PM I do believe that Xear would appreciate that… I also believe that the forum is for you to debate with me… Can you poke holes in my logic?

Do your best to have a nice day…

~ta2zz~
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#7116 - 04/03/08 06:44 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ballbreaker]
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Im guessing you two hate each other.
ta2zz, i do appriciate you helping me out in that ridicilous video-thread. I do. But i have to put myself on TC's side here, i think he was just asking you a question.
Of course, from your point of view it does seem like he was attempting to ask a question first - Try to prove you wrong later, but i think that point of view is aquired from all the hate between you in the first place. It seems like you were expecting an argument when his intentions perhaps werent such.

Playing shrink is fun. Anyway, dont take offense by what im saying.

 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
Actually it's simple minded to believe we are not alone. Consider the astronomical odds of the conditions of life as we know it developing on earth, and the fact that we are all still alive at all. It's virtually impossible, if not highly improbable, that these conditions have been reproduced somewhere else in the universe and, additionally, that life still remains or has evolved into something as complex as a human being.

If we are not alone we are most certainly the most complex living organisms in the universe.


Like previously somewhat stated by ta2zz, we arent talking about a _human_ being here or the chances of _human_ life on a different planet.
I would rather think that its simple-minded to belive that THIS *looks at mandkind* is the top of the creation in the universe.

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#7118 - 04/03/08 07:06 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: TheMask]
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If you think about it. The human being is quite badly designed. We are not properly balanced for walking on two legs and our muscles twitch when we stand, hence why you legs hurt if you stand still for long enough. Our eyes are badly designed, as we evolved the blood vessels in the back of our eyes formed on the wrong side of the retina. If they had formed on the other side we would have such a stronger sense of sight. It's why we see red when we get angry etc.

If there is intelligent life out there, and it is as evolved as humanity then I look forward to the eventual meeting. I don't believe for one minute that humanity is the pinnacle of the evolutionary ladder, there's too many things that could be improved. I would love to see what other life could grow in the universe.
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#7120 - 04/03/08 07:56 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I dis- agree we are balanced good most of the time,but the mind is like a alien to me.If your legs get jumpy,it is in your mind to unlock the key to it.I think that seems to be nervous stress related to me,just my opinion.I think we all have a alien inside the mind waiting to be unlocked.


"The keys to kingdom inside"
Me......

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#7121 - 04/03/08 08:32 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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I'm not disputing that the human body is pretty balanced. It's the most advanced thing you'll ever own, we can barely manage to replicate a fifth of the things the human body can do using technology, however, that said, it's still not perfect. I would be interested to see what would have happened evolutionarily if the inherent flaws in our biology hadn't formed and been passed on over the evolutionary process, and I think that if intelligent alien life exists it would be interesting to see if they share any of the same biological flaws.
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#7192 - 04/04/08 04:51 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: TheMask]
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Life is life...it doesn't matter if it's human or non-human so to speak. Consider the astronomical odds against there even being conditions for life as we know it on earth...

Now if we were to come into contact with some sentient 'thing' that existed outside the evolutionary framework then our definition of 'life' might be challenged, and so would the laws of physics...I don't see this happening. Just like the odds of life developing on earth were enormous, so the odds of discovering life elsewhere are even greater. It's a question of probability since we don't currently have any means for deep space exploration, and the fact that we haven't been contacted by extraterrestrial life at all, nevermind extraterrestrial life more complex than homo sapiens, almost is enough to speak for itself.

I know it's nice and cliche to be able to say "teh uinverse is liek sooooo huge taht there has to be other lifes out there!!!111" but probability says you're just not using your head.


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#7193 - 04/04/08 04:55 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I don't believe for one minute that humanity is the pinnacle of the evolutionary ladder


You are 100% correct.

Humans are nowhere close to being "the pinnacle of the evolutionary ladder", we're blown out of the water by insects ;\)

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#7198 - 04/04/08 05:38 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ballbreaker]
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ANTS!

They're the most successful organism on earth, constituting an entire quarter of the earth's biomass; base on what I've read. Can you imagine what we would become and what we could achieve if we were like ants?

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#7202 - 04/04/08 07:25 PM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ballbreaker]
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 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
Life is life...it doesn't matter if it's human or non-human so to speak. Consider the astronomical odds against there even being conditions for life as we know it on earth...

The environment on earth is not suited for life. Life on earth is suited to the environment. It's a big difference. If life started on a planet without oxygen life would have grown to use a process other than respiration to release energy. The idea that the exact same conditions as on Earth happening to be somewhere else is incidental if life grows according to the environment it's in, adapting as it grows.

 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
Now if we were to come into contact with some sentient 'thing' that existed outside the evolutionary framework then our definition of 'life' might be challenged, and so would the laws of physics...

Please explain why the laws of physics would be challenged if we found an unexplained species or life form because that doesn't make sense. Why would the speed of light in a vacuum, the gravitational constant, the nature of endothermic/exothermic transfer of energy or other laws of physics be challenged by the existence of an unexplained life form or did you just say it because it sounded cool and grand.
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#7235 - 04/05/08 04:52 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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The environment on earth is not suited for life. Life on earth is suited to the environment. It's a big difference. If life started on a planet without oxygen life would have grown to use a process other than respiration to release energy. The idea that the exact same conditions as on Earth happening to be somewhere else is incidental if life grows according to the environment it's in, adapting as it grows.


This is what I meant when I used the phrase "life as we know it" in a previous post. Can you provide me with any examples of 'life' in non-earth environments?

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Please explain why the laws of physics would be challenged if we found an unexplained species or life form because that doesn't make sense.


Our understanding of most scientific laws would be challenged, to say the least. Imagine we stumble across life forms that contradicted our understanding of life; 'life' forms that didn't fit into the evolutionary paradigm, for example.

Of course the statement and the idea is absurd, but this just demonstrates what I'm trying to say...if we encountered something that defied our knowledge of life then it would probably defy some of our other scientific laws as well.

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#7236 - 04/05/08 04:54 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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You said it sister.

Ants are the very definition of adaptation and fitness.

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#7239 - 04/05/08 10:46 AM Re: wha 'tis yo' opinion on aliens...? [Re: ballbreaker]
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It would perhaps change the scientific consensus on biological norm, evolutionary theory and theories of anatomy and physiology however it would have no effect whatsoever on the laws of physics.

Maybe I'm being picky, but saying something would effect the laws of physics is giving it extreme grandeur. In this instance it doesn't deserve such.
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