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#7036 - 04/02/08 08:02 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
MaggotFaceMoe Offline
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
Do you know what will happen to us, and our country in 20 years if we aren't doing what we are doing right now?


Possibly America could be prosperous and still an economically mighty country. Not have such a huge debt to foreign countries with no possibilty to pay back. Have some value to dollar currency.
Maybe.

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#7065 - 04/02/08 06:07 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Well thank you for your respect. One thing I believe is that the men of power have something planed for the world and its not just the men in America acting on it. It is the whole world. Every country in NATO are in on it. For the last twenty years there has been this tension in the air, I can feel something bleak coming on very soon. So our governments distarct us by media and entertainment to busy our minds from thinking about the truths. It is a brave new world and for me to be apart of the world I show no fear. For I am one of the strong and will not follow the masses to their end. But in the next twenty years? Well I see the US, Canada, and Mexico joining the Noth American Pact alligence, similar to the Euoropean pact. And later linking the power houses together and killing off the meak countries. Interesting though its all say so, conspiracies.
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#7069 - 04/02/08 06:54 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Quote:
Do you know what will happen to us, and our country in 20 years if we aren't doing what we are doing right now?


So how is the war and going into huge debt, from being in a very strong financial position going to help America exactly?
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#7084 - 04/02/08 09:30 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ZephyrGirl]
LUCIFERIFIC Offline
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
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Do you know what will happen to us, and our country in 20 years if we aren't doing what we are doing right now?


So how is the war and going into huge debt, from being in a very strong financial position going to help America exactly?


Think BIG Zeph. This might be called a long term investment, in a way. Whats the world going to look like 20-30 years from now??

China will be HUGE; industrialized, and they will have a work force of a billion or so.

India will be where China is today, growing and industrializing; they will also have a work force of a billion or so.

The African Union, and their 800 million population will just barely awaken to see its full potential...

There is no way America with its 300 million will be able to compete. Not for the international market, not for the natural resources. Remember, a population of a billion living in an industrialized high tech country means at least twice the energy, oil, gas, fuel, and natural resources that America consumes.

If we sit here and allow this to happen. Just letting these three nations grow unobstructed, in 20-30 years many Americans will be eating shit. Certain natural resources must be cornered and acquired, strategic nations must be taken over:

we now have Afghanistan and Iraq to the west of China; the Philippines and Australia to the south of china; Japan and Taiwan to the east of China. While everyone is running amok, we've surrounded china. To the north is Russia, who does not like us and will most likely side with China if anything should happen; to check Russia we still have Europe, or most of Europe as our allies...

Right now India is of no concern. The US's Grand New Strategy basically states that after the cold war, America must maintain its global hegemony at the expense of other nations, and that as far as America is concerned, it is the only sovereign country, and it must use preemptive strikes against any nation that appears to be a threat to America's sovereignty and unilateral super power status.

This is why I love Bush so much. He's a kick ass presidente!

~Kayla
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#7103 - 04/03/08 01:29 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
Are you a democrat?
300 dollars doesn't sound like a lot, but think about how many millions of people are getting it, then multiply that number by 300. That adds up to billions and billions. Money our government could have used to in other ways, but instead they spent it on us. That money came from tax money. I pay my taxes on time every year... a portion of your 300$ came from my pocket. I think I want it back sence you don't sound like you appreciate it. Thank you Bush, we love you!

Don't be insane, vote for McCain!

PS - you guys can have Ron Paul, we don't want him in our Party, he's a closet Libertine.

~Kayla


Are you serious?

First of all, $300 does not get my loyalty. And just because "they spent it on us" does not mean that it's a good thing or even the right thing to do.

No, I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican, either. Both of those parties are a joke. The president and all of congress is a joke.

A little info about that absolutely pointless $300:

It's not coming from your taxes. The government uses income taxes to pay interest on money that is borrowed from The Fed.

The Federal Reserve is a private institution. It's lending the goverment the 300 X a few million. Have a jolly time paying all that back.


I WISH the government would use that money in other ways. $300 isn't shit. And you can multiply it and square it and whatever else you want to do, that doesn't change what each individual person is getting, which is JUST 300. If, instead, our proudly retarded leader would put that money to more practical applications, he might leave office with my stamp of "not complete dissapproval". But alas...

Look around you, we are in a recession. Thanks, Bush. Thanks for the national debt, thanks for the recession, thanks for the unemployment rate, thanks for all of it. Thanks for the gas prices, the outsourced jobs, and all the rest. Asshole. Granted, we may pull through yet, but it doesn't change the fact that it's here and we have Mr. 300 to thank for it.

Oh, and just to be an all around bitch, you are aware that "voting" is a pointless exercise as well, right? Or do you really think you elect your president?

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Thank you Bush, we love you!

Don't be insane, vote for McCain!



You run on ahead and grab your pom-poms. I'm going to go vomit.

And don't forget to brush your teeth when you're done.

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#7104 - 04/03/08 01:36 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Sometimes we need a recession:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/se...dist=TNMostRead

Kayla
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#7105 - 04/03/08 01:43 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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There is no way America with its 300 million will be able to compete. Not for the international market, not for the natural resources. Remember, a population of a billion living in an industrialized high tech country means at least twice the energy, oil, gas, fuel, and natural resources that America consumes.


Have you even researched what you're talking about? America is the biggest consumer of energy. Bar none. No contest. Etc. We use almost nine times the amount of gasoline (for example).

gasoline consumption

America - 134.400 Billions of Gallons
China - 16.500 Billions of Gallons

And to put it into perspective:

Population:

America - 303,765,000
China - 1,323,440,000

You have lost your mind if you think that twenty years time is going to turn the tables on that. The ONLY thing that would change that is if we are simply incapable of continuing on as we are. For example, another depression.

They have four times the people, yet we use NINE times the gasoline. And these stats don't apply to only gas consumption, they are the same across the board.

It takes four chinese to be as wasteful as one american.

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#7106 - 04/03/08 01:59 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
Sometimes we need a recession:


Kayla


I never said we didn't. I said that 300 dollars per person is not going to bail us out. I think it's going to add to the problem. It's not going to stimulate the economy, it's going to be used to offset the fact that 7% of the country is unemployed. That's 21,263,550 people, by the way. Twenty-one million people who will be using this money to simply survive, effectively causing the Master Plan to backfire. And let us not forget the strain on welfare that these 21 million are causing (and the beauty of it all is that these figures don't even count our uninvited guests from south of the border)

Throwing a pittance at us will not solve the mess we are in. Borrowing money from the Fed, no matter the amount, will not solve the problem.

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#7155 - 04/04/08 12:46 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ceruleansteel]
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What do you mean the univited guests? The ones that clean your house and dig your trenches. Why you got to bring them into the mix? The imigrants are busting their asses to make a living for thier families back in mexico, risking their lives doing the things that 'we' Americans don't want to. They get paid measley cents to work. They aren't citizens so they don't get taxed. So why would they get the econimcs stimulas checks any way.
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#7164 - 04/04/08 06:44 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Pan420]
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Registered: 09/01/07
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For one thing, why do people seem to think that everyone in the US hires illegal immigrants to do their work for them? I clean my own house, my boyfriend takes care of his own lawn. That whole "Americans don't want to do the dirty work" line is garbage. It's because the companies that hire illegals love saving alllll that money from employing people under the table, paying them in cash at the end of the day, dodging taxes, only for $20 a head a day. The companies are undercutting Americans from American jobs, not "Americans don't want to do the work". If you owned a landscaping business and needed some cheap labor, would you rather hire an American for minimum wage for $7/hr, which after 8 hours would be approximately $50 after taxes, not to mention having to fill out paperwork that would list that person as an employee, etc. Or hire Juan from down the street, who speaks no English, willing to work for $20? Of course you'd hire the illegal. So who's fault is it? The "lazy" Americans? Or the cheap-ass companies that hire illegals?

I for one am sick and tired of this apologist attitude that Americans, both the newly legalized and the native-born, are supposed to have of themselves, both at home and abroad. If outsiders don't like how we do things here, they can fuck off.
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#7195 - 04/04/08 05:07 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Have you even researched what you're talking about? America is the biggest consumer of energy. Bar none. No contest. Etc. We use almost nine times the amount of gasoline (for example).

gasoline consumption

America - 134.400 Billions of Gallons
China - 16.500 Billions of Gallons


Right, and have you researched the rate of the PRC's economic growth and resource consumption over the past decade?

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You have lost your mind if you think that twenty years time is going to turn the tables on that.


I wouldn't be so sure. Consider China 20-40 years ago: Cultural Revolution, backyard furnaces, and mass starvation and poverty. China today is the world's 4th largest economy, and in 20 years, ceteris paribus, it will be #1 or #2.

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#7196 - 04/04/08 05:18 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I really, really like your analysis. Best thing I've read all day. There are a few things I really can't agree with though...

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The African Union, and their 800 million population will just barely awaken to see its full potential...


The AU is a really loose and informal international organization...it hasn't taken many measures at all towards creating a common market, and is by most standards very far from it.

I don't believe the AU will ever resemble something like the European Union, which took half a century to get to where it is today. Africa isn't on anyone's radars because evryone expects that it will remain an impoverished backwater with hardly any political stability for years to come.

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Right now India is of no concern


India has observer status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, an evolving military alliance dominated by the Russians and the Chinese. This is cause for concern. India still buys the majority of its military equipment from its old Cold War ally, Russia. It may be a growing democracy, but one that is certainly not in our pocket...yet.

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#7197 - 04/04/08 05:32 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ballbreaker]
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 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
I really, really like your analysis. Best thing I've read all day. There are a few things I really can't agree with though...

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The African Union, and their 800 million population will just barely awaken to see its full potential...


The AU is a really loose and informal international organization...it hasn't taken many measures at all towards creating a common market, and is by most standards very far from it.

I don't believe the AU will ever resemble something like the European Union, which took half a century to get to where it is today. Africa isn't on anyone's radars because evryone expects that it will remain an impoverished backwater with hardly any political stability for years to come.

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Right now India is of no concern


India has observer status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, an evolving military alliance dominated by the Russians and the Chinese. This is cause for concern. India still buys the majority of its military equipment from its old Cold War ally, Russia. It may be a growing democracy, but one that is certainly not in our pocket...yet.


Thanks Ballbreaker. I guess I underestimated India. Why are they in an alliance with Russia and China? It would be a terrible loss to lose the world's biggest democracy to them in my humble opinion.

Your right about the AU. But they are trying hard. I read they've tried to collect a united army to stabilize Darfur? That's a step in the right direction \:\) lets give the AU another 50 years!?

Kayla
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#7201 - 04/04/08 07:15 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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You haven't even begun to talk about Indonesia. Is there a reason for that, or do you consider them to be of no importance (although they have a population only slightly smaller than the US - alot of which is Muslim)?

They are near to China and also I would think a natural Chinese alibi. They hate Australia and no doubt by proxy America. Actually I am more worried about the Indonesians invading Austrlia than any other country.

They are my natural enemy and it pisses me off no end the amount of people that take our money to Bali, even after the pathetic way the indonesian government has dealt with the Bali bombers.

Zeph

Although I see you are looking at this from a US perspective and I from an Australian one, therefore I will never think that Bush is a good President.
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#7232 - 04/05/08 04:32 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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India was picked up as an ally by the Soviet Union during the Sino-Soviet split; initially the Indians and the Chinese had beef and so the Soviets used this to their advantage by giving India guns. I know, really weird connection...you'd think India would be in the pocket of the British or something.

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lets give the AU another 50 years!?


Ha! If only it were so...

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