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#6685 - 03/30/08 01:04 AM Shooting the shit
Modesty Offline
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Haven't made a post in a while due to working like a dog. But last sunday on the 23rd, my work burned up. The Cargill meat solutions plant here in Booneville caught fire supposedly from one of the welding contractors. Fucking nut. I heard they are being sued and will have to pay insurance out the ass. That's good though because 800 of us lost our fucking job. Now I've got this unemployment crap to deal with until I find a job. I guess it's better than nothing but it's hard when you're out of work.

Ahh well. How has everyone else been?

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#6687 - 03/30/08 01:10 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Modesty]
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 Originally Posted By: Modesty
Haven't made a post in a while due to working like a dog. But last sunday on the 23rd, my work burned up. The Cargill meat solutions plant here in Booneville caught fire supposedly from one of the welding contractors. Fucking nut. I heard they are being sued and will have to pay insurance out the ass. That's good though because 800 of us lost our fucking job. Now I've got this unemployment crap to deal with until I find a job. I guess it's better than nothing but it's hard when you're out of work.

Ahh well. How has everyone else been?
I read 7% of America is as of now unemployed. Tough times all around; but at least your not the only one. You can take comfort in knowing that you aren't the only one unemployed. But sorry to hear of your misfortune. Stay tough, and don't let thing out of your control get to you. Let go, and go with the flow; perhaps life is just leading you someplace new?

I'm Kayla.
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#6690 - 03/30/08 01:15 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Well hey Kayla. Nice to hear some good words. The town I live in is 4,000 people. Very small and everyone is Pentecostal or Baptist. So no one really cares about you here unless you attend their church. But I don't give a rats ass about them either.

I might be getting a job at a mental health facility. That should be fun. Will be faxing a resume over Monday morning. The only problem I have with the job is it's about a 45 minute drive and gas prices are so damn high. 40-49 hours a week so it's not too bad. Just the driving kills me.

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#6691 - 03/30/08 01:20 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Modesty]
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 Originally Posted By: Modesty
Well hey Kayla. Nice to hear some good words. The town I live in is 4,000 people. Very small and everyone is Pentecostal or Baptist. So no one really cares about you here unless you attend their church. But I don't give a rats ass about them either.

I might be getting a job at a mental health facility. That should be fun. Will be faxing a resume over Monday morning. The only problem I have with the job is it's about a 45 minute drive and gas prices are so damn high. 40-49 hours a week so it's not too bad. Just the driving kills me.


Hi. Remember, its survival of the Fittest. The most adaptable is the most fittest. There is a time to be a Satanist; and a time to go undercover for your own gain and benefit.

Nice to meet you. 4000 people? Thats not much at all. Must be boring down there?

Kayla
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#6714 - 03/30/08 04:53 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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When you named the topic "Shooting the shit" i thought that you were referring to Heroin. I dont know if i was disappointed or not.

Im Mask btw. I can imagine that unemployment sucks since i can imagine that i will be experiencing quite the bit of it.


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#6736 - 03/30/08 11:42 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Modesty]
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Good to "see" you again stranger. Hopefully the prospects start looking up.

Yeah, I've been to Arkansas before and I didn't see too much in the way of public transportation to ease paying for gas. A 45 minute drive isn't that bad, especially for a job. Just do it, man.
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#6805 - 03/31/08 02:13 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Sinistar]
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Yah I drive about 30 minutes towork everyday where I live. And unemployment is a bitch. All depends on how much the job is paying you. I'm getting 9.50(Can) an hour. Gas here is about $1.18/litre. so its damn high. Hope it all turns out for you okay.

By the way I didn't formely introduce myself. I am Snow, I'm relatively new here.
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#6852 - 03/31/08 03:24 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: PigFeeder]
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The unemployment thing is effecting alot of states in the southwest pretty bad this quarter. They closed like 3 or 4 call centers in New Mexico putting out over 2,000 people of a job. The wheather is nice but the construction industry is still very sketchy. The price for building materials are on the rise again, and that is making it hard for contractors to bid low enough to start work. The retail scene sucks cause New Mexico is a pro employeer state, which means wages and beniefts are crap. But hey there is always Mcdonalds. But the whole USA is really suffering due to job outages. But sorry to hear about the way you lost your job thats too bad.
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#6952 - 04/01/08 03:19 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Modesty]
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Hey! I just moved from Washburn Mountain!

I heard about Cargill. That's insane, but it doesn't really make sense. I heard that the slag caught a conveyor belt in the freezer on fire or some crap like that...care to illuminate?

Contact UAFS and ask about what you need to do to enroll as a TAA student. Let Cargill lump a new education for you into their lawsuit.

The bad news, though, is that the welding company was only insured for up to two million. Cargill counted it's losses at about a hundred million. That may be the last of both companies.

As for the economy, at least you have that "stimulation check" to look forward to, huh? That 300 dollars will really offset your current situation, wont it? /sarcasm

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#6988 - 04/01/08 10:49 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
That 300 dollars will really offset your current situation, wont it? /sarcasm
Are you a democrat?
300 dollars doesn't sound like a lot, but think about how many millions of people are getting it, then multiply that number by 300. That adds up to billions and billions. Money our government could have used to in other ways, but instead they spent it on us. That money came from tax money. I pay my taxes on time every year... a portion of your 300$ came from my pocket. I think I want it back sence you don't sound like you appreciate it. Thank you Bush, we love you!

Don't be insane, vote for McCain!

PS - you guys can have Ron Paul, we don't want him in our Party, he's a closet Libertine.

~Kayla


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (04/01/08 10:52 PM)
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#6991 - 04/01/08 11:10 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Loc: New Mexico
Hey I see it as the government giving back the money as a way to say 'hey sorry for the war and 4,000 dead Americans, so spend this money and boost the economy by buying more gas for road trips this summer'. Yeah I see that refund as an insult. The rason why they are doing the return is beacause of vacation season. Come on all those people driving here and there to spend summer vacation around the country, and who owns stock in the oil industry? No need to mention it but it's the same ones that made up lies for this damn war in the first place. They are getting rich of the war and the tax refund any way. Thats why I plan on spending my tax return in Mexico.
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#6996 - 04/01/08 11:38 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Pan420]
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 Originally Posted By: Pan420
Hey I see it as the government giving back the money as a way to say 'hey sorry for the war and 4,000 dead Americans, so spend this money and boost the economy by buying more gas for road trips this summer'. Yeah I see that refund as an insult. The rason why they are doing the return is beacause of vacation season. Come on all those people driving here and there to spend summer vacation around the country, and who owns stock in the oil industry? No need to mention it but it's the same ones that made up lies for this damn war in the first place. They are getting rich of the war and the tax refund any way. Thats why I plan on spending my tax return in Mexico.
Listen, we can attack emos and christians all we want, but lets not attack the government or the republican party please.

4000 dead is very sad, but we killed like 100,000 of them \:\) But its a war Pan, we didn't go to Iraq to make out with Ali Baba and Friends. People die in wars. People who join the military go in knowing that if they get sent to war they could die defending Liberty. No one tricks them into going to war. The government doesn't have to redeem their lives with $300. That my friend is an insult.

Its a fad to hate the government for most X generationers. If I asked you for a number of good reasons why you hate it or Bush, you'd be vomiting and parroting other peoples opinions which you placed inside your head. Ideas and opinions OTHER people speculated, studied, and thought about, so you DON'T have to do the THINKING. Go spend your money in Mexico.

~Kayla


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (04/01/08 11:43 PM)
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#7004 - 04/02/08 12:02 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Well I'm not sure if you guys heard of this. But near where a live, a huge area was affected by this. Thousands were put out of work including many of my family, friends, and relatives. The cloth and textile industries all closed down and everyone was puto nunemployement. Problem is the reaosn why most are in there because they wanted to go straight to work so they didn't finish high school. So at the age of 40-55 you don't want to be finishing high school so many are ou there on unemployement looking for jobs. It was a devastating blow to our community. I heard that it was because of competition in China?? This could be bullshit for all I know, I didn't hear much about it.
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#7015 - 04/02/08 01:11 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: PigFeeder]
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Loc: New Mexico
Well one thing I for the most part love America, The freedoms, the liberties,the justices. Ya I am pro democrate and I still believe that America is a great country. Don't get me wrong I love what America stands for, but what I can not buy into is how the America I love so much got flipped upside down by corporate right winged conservatives. The whole country is going through a resection due to gross neglect on the current leads for planning a war when there should have never been a war to begin with. Cause in reality the last time I checked We still haven't caught Bin Laden, We still haven't found the nuculer/biological weapons of mass destruction, Al Queda is still fully operational if not stronger than when they started the Jihad, and further more who is suffering? Everyone involved in the war, both sides not just us not just our alies. Yeah 4,000 US and 100,000 them, no one is winning. Five years in and wow Saddom is hung his family iradicated and are they the ones that struck The World Trade Center with our own planes? No, then why are we fighting them? "Iraq is harboring Al Queda members within thier boarders, we must invade and fight the terrorist to protect Americas Right to thrive", BUSH. Okay so we buy into the hype and guess waht oh, no Bin Laden, no weapons, not even a sign of the claims. But we did bring freedom to the Iraqi people. Who never wanted it. Come on this is the worst government leadership since oh I don't know Nixon and the Vietnam incident. It's the same war new weapons. So tell President bush if you use this forum why did ten of my friends come back in body bags? Come on thier families are the ones that are left, yeah free to mourn their sons and daughters with the other 4,000 families and friends. It is sick, why could men have such power to invade a country without any thought to the exit stradegy. So now last year we had hurrican Katrina and what happened? Come on, really. When will people wake up and take this ahit as it really is a nice big pile of bullshit. Sex scadles and nonsense shinanagines. What I am trying to say is that I don't need a bias Fox news report to sway me one way or another. No one has gotten in my head. Generation X, ya the future corporate lackies to be more like it. What I am trying to say is that if you love this country as much as you say that you do then protect it from those really doing the most harm to it.

A. gas stocks( Bush and cronies)
B. Middle eastern crude oil restricted( price inflation)
C. America spends less on activities involving driving( economy)
D. economy stimulious refund( Families plan on road trips)
E. $300 on filling up my Ford(American made)
F. Bush and his cronies get paid.

That is my point it is not an insult to those that are wealthy enough to fit in this bush administrations little class bracket, but for the 65% that dont well they should all feel insulted. We work hard all our lives pay our taxes, donate to charity, clean up our communites and what do we get for it war time mascarding. "look at the rebate but don't look at the real issues. come on.
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#7019 - 04/02/08 01:35 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Pan420]
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 Originally Posted By: Pan420
Well one thing I for the most part love America, The freedoms, the liberties,the justices. Ya I am pro democrate and I still believe that America is a great country. Don't get me wrong I love what America stands for, but what I can not buy into is how the America I love so much got flipped upside down by corporate right winged conservatives. The whole country is going through a resection due to gross neglect on the current leads for planning a war when there should have never been a war to begin with. Cause in reality the last time I checked We still haven't caught Bin Laden, We still haven't found the nuculer/biological weapons of mass destruction, Al Queda is still fully operational if not stronger than when they started the Jihad, and further more who is suffering? Everyone involved in the war, both sides not just us not just our alies. Yeah 4,000 US and 100,000 them, no one is winning. Five years in and wow Saddom is hung his family iradicated and are they the ones that struck The World Trade Center with our own planes? No, then why are we fighting them? "Iraq is harboring Al Queda members within thier boarders, we must invade and fight the terrorist to protect Americas Right to thrive", BUSH. Okay so we buy into the hype and guess waht oh, no Bin Laden, no weapons, not even a sign of the claims. But we did bring freedom to the Iraqi people. Who never wanted it. Come on this is the worst government leadership since oh I don't know Nixon and the Vietnam incident. It's the same war new weapons. So tell President bush if you use this forum why did ten of my friends come back in body bags? Come on thier families are the ones that are left, yeah free to mourn their sons and daughters with the other 4,000 families and friends. It is sick, why could men have such power to invade a country without any thought to the exit stradegy. So now last year we had hurrican Katrina and what happened? Come on, really. When will people wake up and take this ahit as it really is a nice big pile of bullshit. Sex scadles and nonsense shinanagines. What I am trying to say is that I don't need a bias Fox news report to sway me one way or another. No one has gotten in my head. Generation X, ya the future corporate lackies to be more like it. What I am trying to say is that if you love this country as much as you say that you do then protect it from those really doing the most harm to it.

A. gas stocks( Bush and cronies)
B. Middle eastern crude oil restricted( price inflation)
C. America spends less on activities involving driving( economy)
D. economy stimulious refund( Families plan on road trips)
E. $300 on filling up my Ford(American made)
F. Bush and his cronies get paid.

That is my point it is not an insult to those that are wealthy enough to fit in this bush administrations little class bracket, but for the 65% that dont well they should all feel insulted. We work hard all our lives pay our taxes, donate to charity, clean up our communites and what do we get for it war time mascarding. "look at the rebate but don't look at the real issues. come on.
First Pan, you gained my respect if that means shit. I was expecting something dumb, but your response is great, but typical. When I say typical i don't mean to attack your intelligence. I mean common, as if your eyes are looking in the direction pointed. Think about it for a moment. Its slight of hand. If America were a stage magician, and this war were a misdirection to focus your attention in one direction, tell me what the magician is doing behind his back with the other hand. You have to try and see the bigger picture. We aren't living in a localized world anymore - its global. Do you know what will happen to us, and our country in 20 years if we aren't doing what we are doing right now?

~Kayla


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (04/02/08 01:36 AM)
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#7036 - 04/02/08 08:02 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
Do you know what will happen to us, and our country in 20 years if we aren't doing what we are doing right now?


Possibly America could be prosperous and still an economically mighty country. Not have such a huge debt to foreign countries with no possibilty to pay back. Have some value to dollar currency.
Maybe.

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#7065 - 04/02/08 06:07 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Well thank you for your respect. One thing I believe is that the men of power have something planed for the world and its not just the men in America acting on it. It is the whole world. Every country in NATO are in on it. For the last twenty years there has been this tension in the air, I can feel something bleak coming on very soon. So our governments distarct us by media and entertainment to busy our minds from thinking about the truths. It is a brave new world and for me to be apart of the world I show no fear. For I am one of the strong and will not follow the masses to their end. But in the next twenty years? Well I see the US, Canada, and Mexico joining the Noth American Pact alligence, similar to the Euoropean pact. And later linking the power houses together and killing off the meak countries. Interesting though its all say so, conspiracies.
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#7069 - 04/02/08 06:54 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Quote:
Do you know what will happen to us, and our country in 20 years if we aren't doing what we are doing right now?


So how is the war and going into huge debt, from being in a very strong financial position going to help America exactly?
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#7084 - 04/02/08 09:30 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
 Quote:
Do you know what will happen to us, and our country in 20 years if we aren't doing what we are doing right now?


So how is the war and going into huge debt, from being in a very strong financial position going to help America exactly?


Think BIG Zeph. This might be called a long term investment, in a way. Whats the world going to look like 20-30 years from now??

China will be HUGE; industrialized, and they will have a work force of a billion or so.

India will be where China is today, growing and industrializing; they will also have a work force of a billion or so.

The African Union, and their 800 million population will just barely awaken to see its full potential...

There is no way America with its 300 million will be able to compete. Not for the international market, not for the natural resources. Remember, a population of a billion living in an industrialized high tech country means at least twice the energy, oil, gas, fuel, and natural resources that America consumes.

If we sit here and allow this to happen. Just letting these three nations grow unobstructed, in 20-30 years many Americans will be eating shit. Certain natural resources must be cornered and acquired, strategic nations must be taken over:

we now have Afghanistan and Iraq to the west of China; the Philippines and Australia to the south of china; Japan and Taiwan to the east of China. While everyone is running amok, we've surrounded china. To the north is Russia, who does not like us and will most likely side with China if anything should happen; to check Russia we still have Europe, or most of Europe as our allies...

Right now India is of no concern. The US's Grand New Strategy basically states that after the cold war, America must maintain its global hegemony at the expense of other nations, and that as far as America is concerned, it is the only sovereign country, and it must use preemptive strikes against any nation that appears to be a threat to America's sovereignty and unilateral super power status.

This is why I love Bush so much. He's a kick ass presidente!

~Kayla
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#7103 - 04/03/08 01:29 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
Are you a democrat?
300 dollars doesn't sound like a lot, but think about how many millions of people are getting it, then multiply that number by 300. That adds up to billions and billions. Money our government could have used to in other ways, but instead they spent it on us. That money came from tax money. I pay my taxes on time every year... a portion of your 300$ came from my pocket. I think I want it back sence you don't sound like you appreciate it. Thank you Bush, we love you!

Don't be insane, vote for McCain!

PS - you guys can have Ron Paul, we don't want him in our Party, he's a closet Libertine.

~Kayla


Are you serious?

First of all, $300 does not get my loyalty. And just because "they spent it on us" does not mean that it's a good thing or even the right thing to do.

No, I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican, either. Both of those parties are a joke. The president and all of congress is a joke.

A little info about that absolutely pointless $300:

It's not coming from your taxes. The government uses income taxes to pay interest on money that is borrowed from The Fed.

The Federal Reserve is a private institution. It's lending the goverment the 300 X a few million. Have a jolly time paying all that back.


I WISH the government would use that money in other ways. $300 isn't shit. And you can multiply it and square it and whatever else you want to do, that doesn't change what each individual person is getting, which is JUST 300. If, instead, our proudly retarded leader would put that money to more practical applications, he might leave office with my stamp of "not complete dissapproval". But alas...

Look around you, we are in a recession. Thanks, Bush. Thanks for the national debt, thanks for the recession, thanks for the unemployment rate, thanks for all of it. Thanks for the gas prices, the outsourced jobs, and all the rest. Asshole. Granted, we may pull through yet, but it doesn't change the fact that it's here and we have Mr. 300 to thank for it.

Oh, and just to be an all around bitch, you are aware that "voting" is a pointless exercise as well, right? Or do you really think you elect your president?

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Thank you Bush, we love you!

Don't be insane, vote for McCain!



You run on ahead and grab your pom-poms. I'm going to go vomit.

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#7104 - 04/03/08 01:36 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Sometimes we need a recession:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/se...dist=TNMostRead

Kayla
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#7105 - 04/03/08 01:43 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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There is no way America with its 300 million will be able to compete. Not for the international market, not for the natural resources. Remember, a population of a billion living in an industrialized high tech country means at least twice the energy, oil, gas, fuel, and natural resources that America consumes.


Have you even researched what you're talking about? America is the biggest consumer of energy. Bar none. No contest. Etc. We use almost nine times the amount of gasoline (for example).

gasoline consumption

America - 134.400 Billions of Gallons
China - 16.500 Billions of Gallons

And to put it into perspective:

Population:

America - 303,765,000
China - 1,323,440,000

You have lost your mind if you think that twenty years time is going to turn the tables on that. The ONLY thing that would change that is if we are simply incapable of continuing on as we are. For example, another depression.

They have four times the people, yet we use NINE times the gasoline. And these stats don't apply to only gas consumption, they are the same across the board.

It takes four chinese to be as wasteful as one american.

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#7106 - 04/03/08 01:59 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
Sometimes we need a recession:


Kayla


I never said we didn't. I said that 300 dollars per person is not going to bail us out. I think it's going to add to the problem. It's not going to stimulate the economy, it's going to be used to offset the fact that 7% of the country is unemployed. That's 21,263,550 people, by the way. Twenty-one million people who will be using this money to simply survive, effectively causing the Master Plan to backfire. And let us not forget the strain on welfare that these 21 million are causing (and the beauty of it all is that these figures don't even count our uninvited guests from south of the border)

Throwing a pittance at us will not solve the mess we are in. Borrowing money from the Fed, no matter the amount, will not solve the problem.

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#7155 - 04/04/08 12:46 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ceruleansteel]
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What do you mean the univited guests? The ones that clean your house and dig your trenches. Why you got to bring them into the mix? The imigrants are busting their asses to make a living for thier families back in mexico, risking their lives doing the things that 'we' Americans don't want to. They get paid measley cents to work. They aren't citizens so they don't get taxed. So why would they get the econimcs stimulas checks any way.
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#7164 - 04/04/08 06:44 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Pan420]
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For one thing, why do people seem to think that everyone in the US hires illegal immigrants to do their work for them? I clean my own house, my boyfriend takes care of his own lawn. That whole "Americans don't want to do the dirty work" line is garbage. It's because the companies that hire illegals love saving alllll that money from employing people under the table, paying them in cash at the end of the day, dodging taxes, only for $20 a head a day. The companies are undercutting Americans from American jobs, not "Americans don't want to do the work". If you owned a landscaping business and needed some cheap labor, would you rather hire an American for minimum wage for $7/hr, which after 8 hours would be approximately $50 after taxes, not to mention having to fill out paperwork that would list that person as an employee, etc. Or hire Juan from down the street, who speaks no English, willing to work for $20? Of course you'd hire the illegal. So who's fault is it? The "lazy" Americans? Or the cheap-ass companies that hire illegals?

I for one am sick and tired of this apologist attitude that Americans, both the newly legalized and the native-born, are supposed to have of themselves, both at home and abroad. If outsiders don't like how we do things here, they can fuck off.
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#7195 - 04/04/08 05:07 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Have you even researched what you're talking about? America is the biggest consumer of energy. Bar none. No contest. Etc. We use almost nine times the amount of gasoline (for example).

gasoline consumption

America - 134.400 Billions of Gallons
China - 16.500 Billions of Gallons


Right, and have you researched the rate of the PRC's economic growth and resource consumption over the past decade?

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You have lost your mind if you think that twenty years time is going to turn the tables on that.


I wouldn't be so sure. Consider China 20-40 years ago: Cultural Revolution, backyard furnaces, and mass starvation and poverty. China today is the world's 4th largest economy, and in 20 years, ceteris paribus, it will be #1 or #2.

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#7196 - 04/04/08 05:18 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I really, really like your analysis. Best thing I've read all day. There are a few things I really can't agree with though...

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The African Union, and their 800 million population will just barely awaken to see its full potential...


The AU is a really loose and informal international organization...it hasn't taken many measures at all towards creating a common market, and is by most standards very far from it.

I don't believe the AU will ever resemble something like the European Union, which took half a century to get to where it is today. Africa isn't on anyone's radars because evryone expects that it will remain an impoverished backwater with hardly any political stability for years to come.

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Right now India is of no concern


India has observer status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, an evolving military alliance dominated by the Russians and the Chinese. This is cause for concern. India still buys the majority of its military equipment from its old Cold War ally, Russia. It may be a growing democracy, but one that is certainly not in our pocket...yet.

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#7197 - 04/04/08 05:32 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ballbreaker]
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 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
I really, really like your analysis. Best thing I've read all day. There are a few things I really can't agree with though...

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The African Union, and their 800 million population will just barely awaken to see its full potential...


The AU is a really loose and informal international organization...it hasn't taken many measures at all towards creating a common market, and is by most standards very far from it.

I don't believe the AU will ever resemble something like the European Union, which took half a century to get to where it is today. Africa isn't on anyone's radars because evryone expects that it will remain an impoverished backwater with hardly any political stability for years to come.

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Right now India is of no concern


India has observer status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, an evolving military alliance dominated by the Russians and the Chinese. This is cause for concern. India still buys the majority of its military equipment from its old Cold War ally, Russia. It may be a growing democracy, but one that is certainly not in our pocket...yet.


Thanks Ballbreaker. I guess I underestimated India. Why are they in an alliance with Russia and China? It would be a terrible loss to lose the world's biggest democracy to them in my humble opinion.

Your right about the AU. But they are trying hard. I read they've tried to collect a united army to stabilize Darfur? That's a step in the right direction \:\) lets give the AU another 50 years!?

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#7201 - 04/04/08 07:15 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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You haven't even begun to talk about Indonesia. Is there a reason for that, or do you consider them to be of no importance (although they have a population only slightly smaller than the US - alot of which is Muslim)?

They are near to China and also I would think a natural Chinese alibi. They hate Australia and no doubt by proxy America. Actually I am more worried about the Indonesians invading Austrlia than any other country.

They are my natural enemy and it pisses me off no end the amount of people that take our money to Bali, even after the pathetic way the indonesian government has dealt with the Bali bombers.

Zeph

Although I see you are looking at this from a US perspective and I from an Australian one, therefore I will never think that Bush is a good President.
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#7232 - 04/05/08 04:32 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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India was picked up as an ally by the Soviet Union during the Sino-Soviet split; initially the Indians and the Chinese had beef and so the Soviets used this to their advantage by giving India guns. I know, really weird connection...you'd think India would be in the pocket of the British or something.

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lets give the AU another 50 years!?


Ha! If only it were so...

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#7285 - 04/06/08 02:33 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
You haven't even begun to talk about Indonesia. Is there a reason for that, or do you consider them to be of no importance (although they have a population only slightly smaller than the US - alot of which is Muslim)?

They are near to China and also I would think a natural Chinese alibi. They hate Australia and no doubt by proxy America. Actually I am more worried about the Indonesians invading Austrlia than any other country.

They are my natural enemy and it pisses me off no end the amount of people that take our money to Bali, even after the pathetic way the indonesian government has dealt with the Bali bombers.

Zeph

Although I see you are looking at this from a US perspective and I from an Australian one, therefore I will never think that Bush is a good President.


Indonesia is the largest Islamic nation... i think? But they're poor. Personally I think the only threat they pose is terrorism - which is a big deal... because it costs lives; but neither Australia nor America would starve and be their slaves due to their rise to superpowerdom. I think the chances of that is unlikely any time in the near future.

I don't know what country it is but i would love to nuke that Islamic country that forces their girls to get their clits cut off with a rusty razor and sew up their stuff!!!

Now I'm interested why you dislike indonesia Zeph. I never really paid any mind to that country... they're suffering from some rice shortage there by the way.

Kayla


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#7286 - 04/06/08 02:38 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ballbreaker]
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 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
India was picked up as an ally by the Soviet Union during the Sino-Soviet split; initially the Indians and the Chinese had beef and so the Soviets used this to their advantage by giving India guns. I know, really weird connection...you'd think India would be in the pocket of the British or something.

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lets give the AU another 50 years!?


Ha! If only it were so...
Oh ye of little faith... a lot can happen in 50 years; who knows, the AU can become something... i'm cheering for them. Its about time they become self reliant and lead their own destiny. The western world has exploited their people and nation for so long... not to mention all the pharmaceutical testing we do there \:\(

Geez, can you imagine a military alliance just between China and India alone?

The lines have been drawn Ballbreaker... I'm sticking with America, and the old UK and Commonwealth till the end!

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#7413 - 04/08/08 01:35 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I would agree with you if I believed that America and alies have a winning chance. But with the way things look to be tilting it looks like the muslim controled countries might be creating a mucher wider connection with other factions like those in the Phillipeans. Scary to say it but I say it looks like this world is ready for another aniahlation and a rebirth. Kill off the weak and let the strong inherit the world. And from the way things are going it looks like me and you live in a marked country.
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#7422 - 04/08/08 12:29 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Pan420]
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You don't think the United States and its allies have a "winning chance" because some sandbox dictators pay to have their people strap explosives to their bodies? C'mon, there's no reason to get pessimistic until non-state Muslim actors get their hands on nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons.
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#7424 - 04/08/08 01:23 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ballbreaker]
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It will be interesting to see what will develop in the next twenty years or so.
The Muslims are trying to take over Europe by moving in to the countries that accept them, yet from what I have read, they are causing a bit of a nuisance of themselves there, and are quickly becoming unwelcome. Therefore, because of their attitude, they might eventually be sent back to the deserts.

As for the AU, well thatís a whole different tomato. The economy of the United States is in such a mess, that combining it with that of Mexico and Canada, might not be beneficial for anyone. All we might end up with is the American Third World Union. (ATWU?)
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#7431 - 04/08/08 07:17 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Asmedious]
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Well iit's not just Muslim terrorists that are waging war on the countries that are being attacked. We have many enimes that hate what we stand for. The muslim faction Al Queda is just war cell that is operating. There are many of them that reside in other countries. I see it as America is allying it's self with other like countries and bringing with them their beliefs. At the same time the terrorists from other factions are gaining power in different countries around the world. What is the odds that they will join forces as they are starting to now. And its just now more apparent to the mass that with our superiority that it's just a matter of time that one of those "bad" countries will attack and triger another mass war. I am not putting the allies down, cause I will stand and defend what I am about against those that try to take that away from me. I am just saying that Iran and North Korea both have nuculer capabilities and so do we. Well what kind of war will that be? And more where will that battle take place? Will we will go to them at there front. They will have the home field advantage. Thats my standing.
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#7442 - 04/09/08 01:41 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Asmedious]
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Yeah, native Europeans are becoming increasingly irritated with their Muslim guests, the rise in popularity for populist far-right parties is a testament to this. It's hard to predict what will develop. If moderate politicians don't make any attempts to neutralize the problem and coopt right-wing rhetoric then it's possible men like Le Pen and his counterparts in other European countries can gain more political prominence.

On the other hand, it's possible (though unlikely in my opinion) that the next generation of Muslims in Europe will be assimilated into Western culture.

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As for the AU, well thatís a whole different tomato


For all intents and purposes there is no AU!

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The economy of the United States is in such a mess, that combining it with that of Mexico and Canada, might not be beneficial for anyone.


I think genuine free trade between the three countries will do wonders; as it stands NAFTA exists more as a combination of particular trade agreements (including agreements on tariffs in some sectors) than as a free trade area contract. We've got some more work to do, but I think we'll do well.

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#7443 - 04/09/08 02:01 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Pan420]
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We have many enimes that hate what we stand for.


The only enemies to the West that hate our civilization for what it is are the Islamists. These individuals, for the most part, try to fight the United States on account of an ideology.

Enemy states, like Russia and the PRC, just act to increase their own relative power...the Chinese and Russian leadership may dislike the way the United States handles foreign affairs but only because they themselves aren't capable of acting with the same impunity.

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At the same time the terrorists from other factions are gaining power in different countries around the world.


What countries would you be referring to?

Whatever the case, the main concern should be Pakistan, since it's the only Islamic country with nuclear capabilities and the potential for state breakdown.

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I am just saying that Iran and North Korea both have nuculer capabilities


Neither Iran nor North Korea has nuclear capabilities. Every now and then N. Korea will either test a poorly constructed warhead or claim it has nuclear weapons so it can garner aid money from the United States...there is no nuclear threat coming from N. Korea, and currently the same conclusion can be drawn about Iran.

I'm more concerned about Islamists getting their paws on 'rogue scientists' or unsecured warheads from countries in the former Soviet Union.

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Well what kind of war will that be?


If the US is not concerned about 'reconstruction/establishing democracy' then it will be a very quick and, for the West anyways, bloodless war. Even if Iran and N. Korea i]did[/i] possess nuclear warheads they have no delivery system capable of reaching the United States.

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They will have the home field advantage.


Against the United States no conventional army carries much of an advantage anywhere, whether at home or not.

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#7491 - 04/11/08 11:15 AM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ballbreaker]
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Islam is doing a good thing. I will be misunderstood here. The more fanatic and extreme they become the more future generations will see how dangerous and stupid religion is to the human race. I would let them continue to do what they do for a while.

Sometimes it make me wonder how 2 billion people can be Christian, and another 2 billion Muslim; as if the majority of the human race are idiots.

Right now would be a good time to start spreading antireligion propaganda and secular memes.

I read a very strange account of the american revolution. Before the war for independence started an angel visited George Washington in a dream and gave him a prophesy. The angel said that the American flag will change three times; and it will be challenged three times. The third time will be great, when the whole world will go against the US, but in the end, America will triumph and be the only nation on earth. - "The Destiny of America" Manly P. Hall

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#7499 - 04/11/08 12:02 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I actually have no big problem with Christianity. The evangelicals in the United States are a bit of an issue but I think overall Christianity has had an overwhelmingly positive impact on the Western world and the development of capitalism in Europe. Christianity's underlying cultural influences may have been partly responsible for early notions of liberty and progress; Weber's "Protestant Ethic" is the most well known text espousing this idea, but there are others.

Every society needs some common fabric, and I don't suspect that Reason alone is enough at the moment.

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but in the end, America will triumph and be the only nation on earth. - "The Destiny of America" Manly P. Hall


Sounds a lot like Francis Fukuyama, only more eschatological.

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#7501 - 04/11/08 12:11 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: ballbreaker]
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 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
I actually have no big problem with Christianity. The evangelicals in the United States are a bit of an issue but I think overall Christianity has had an overwhelmingly positive impact on the Western world and the development of capitalism in Europe. Christianity's underlying cultural influences may have been partly responsible for early notions of liberty and progress; Weber's "Protestant Ethic" is the most well known text espousing this idea, but there are others.

Every society needs some common fabric, and I don't suspect that Reason alone is enough at the moment.

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but in the end, America will triumph and be the only nation on earth. - "The Destiny of America" Manly P. Hall


Sounds a lot like Francis Fukuyama, only more eschatological.


Christianity - the religion is beautiful, like Islam the religion is; i guess I should say. But what is written and what is practiced are two different things. Thats one great thing about religion Ballbreaker - it has the power to collect great masses of people, funnel their collective force, and forge empires. Back in its heydays Islam was a savior of sorts for the western world after the dark ages, being this bastion of science and mathematics... there are still many stars in the sky with arabic names. But things dilapidate and go stupid. No we have televangelists selling bibile sermons for love gifts, and lunatics blowing themselves up so they can dance with 72 naked virgins.

Fukuyama is such a terrible last name. I'm not familiar with him, i'll have to look him up, so i can talk about him with you. Have faith; America is malting; like a maggot out of the ashes, to rise as a flaming phoenix!

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#8272 - 04/29/08 03:18 PM Re: Shooting the shit [Re: Pan420]
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 Originally Posted By: Pan420
What do you mean the univited guests? The ones that clean your house and dig your trenches. Why you got to bring them into the mix? The imigrants are busting their asses to make a living for thier families back in mexico, risking their lives doing the things that 'we' Americans don't want to. They get paid measley cents to work. They aren't citizens so they don't get taxed. So why would they get the econimcs stimulas checks any way.


Don't give me that tired piece of rhetoric. I know plenty of guys who would be honored to dig a trench or whatever to put food in their children's mouths. And I also know plenty of white boys working the line at the chicken plant. So don't try to tell me that they're doing us a favor by sneaking in here and stealing from us. And they get paid the same wage as everyone else, so don't try that one either.

What I meant when I said that was "those unemployment figures don't even count the 12 million ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSERS in our country." Not all of them are employed...and not all of them are the picture of nobility and family loyalty that you would like to paint them as.

And personally, I don't give a shit if they are working their asses off and sending the money back home. If they don't like mexico, fine. I have no problem with anyone LEGALLY IMMIGRATING to my country. But if they don't want to do that, they should be marching and protesting in their own streets, NOT OURS. I sing and dance every time border patrol nets themselves a live one (or a not-so-live one, I don't discriminate ;\) )

Our nation's lack of national solidarity is appalling. America is for AMERICANS. Period. If someone wants a piece of this pie, they know where the immigration office is.

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