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#6695 - 03/30/08 01:37 AM Signs of unexpected intelligence...
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I just thought it was fun...

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#6696 - 03/30/08 01:54 AM Re: Signs of unexpected intelligence... [Re: ta2zz]
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Oh my god, i've never seen anything like that? I cried during the last 7 minutes of it. I thought they were intelligent, but not like that. Maybe what we consider to be "human" isn't so unique after all. Now i have to rethink everything i have learned and assumed.
reminds me of the saying: "If horses could draw, their gods would look like horses." But this was profound, at least for me. Thanks.
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#6701 - 03/30/08 02:11 AM Re: Signs of unexpected intelligence... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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#6705 - 03/30/08 02:48 AM Re: Signs of unexpected intelligence... [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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No sorry the flash and the smoke were just from my 300th post... Thats all... ;\)

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#6717 - 03/30/08 05:41 AM Re: Signs of unexpected intelligence... [Re: ta2zz]
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wow...thats amazing...im gonna go give my dog a paint brush and see what happens lol
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#6718 - 03/30/08 05:58 AM Re: Signs of unexpected intelligence... [Re: ta2zz]
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This is really so impressive, although on further dicking you can see the elephant has been trained to paint like that. Doesn't stop it being really quite moving though.
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#6731 - 03/30/08 10:25 AM Re: Signs of unexpected intelligence... [Re: ta2zz]
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Trained, yes, but the careful diligence and attention to detail is all elephant. Did you watch his face when the camera panned out? He was so studious, his trunk had such fine motor control. Elephants and whales come from the same evolutionary branch, and both possess an intelligence that is so unique and different from ours that it's impossible to accruately judge it. Much like comparing apples to oranges. I'm sure if whales could do it, they would paint too. It's a basic form of expression that surpasses language. I'm guessing this was filmed in India. I'm just glad these elephant-keepers seem to treat their charges well, unlike so many around the world that exploit them for transportation or circus-type amusement, beating and chaining them.
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#6737 - 03/30/08 11:58 AM Re: Signs of unexpected intelligence... [Re: Nemesis]
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I believe these Elephants are from Thai Land from the different sights I checked... I did a little digging.
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#6740 - 03/30/08 12:16 PM Re: Signs of unexpected intelligence... [Re: TornadoCreator]
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These poor elephants were abused… Clicking on the YouTube overlay in the bottom right hand corner of the screen will take you to the original movie on YouTube…

From the video description:

“Can your elephant paint? Watch this elephant, rescued from abusive treatment in Burma, now paint an amazing self portrait. You'll be amazed at how his talent unfolds.

So touched by their horrific backgrounds and loving personalities, ExoticWorldGifts.com now supports, "Starving Elephant Artisans" by selling their paintings so they can continue to have a new life in Thailand.”

Trained or not simply amazing, and this elephant is painting to support itself… Rather amusing…

Peace

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#6742 - 03/30/08 12:21 PM Re: Signs of unexpected intelligence... [Re: ta2zz]
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I can't draw worth crap; but if i were to practice everyday, or if someone taught me how to draw; would this mean that I also was 'trained' and that i was merely mimicking my trainer? And one day i drew a nice picture of myself; is this picture just a product of many months of mimicking and training or is there a more subtle essence to it?
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#6745 - 03/30/08 12:41 PM Re: Signs of unexpected intelligence... [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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You make a compelling argument actually Lucy. I take that back, I suppose mimicking is at least a step along the possible spectrum of expression.
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#6750 - 03/30/08 01:21 PM Re: Signs of unexpected intelligence... [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
You make a compelling argument actually Lucy. I take that back, I suppose mimicking is at least a step along the possible spectrum of expression.


Thanks. See, we can't brush off mimicry aside as just mindless copycatting. Sure many animals can learn amazing things from mimicking us humans, like Koko the gorilla for example.

Koko did learn to mimick human sign language; but she used it in a way to express herself in her own gorilla way... then she started taking care of pet cats, giving them affection, and she even got into porn. I read she (Koko) liked looking at human girl's tits, and her trainer would make young workers at the zoo flash Koko. lol, its true.

But see, even we as children learn from mimicking those around us. Maybe its not how we acquire these skills; but how we use it, or what it expresses.

There is more to it going on in that elephants mind when it looks like it is merely drawing a picture of an elephant. It first must have that image in its mind, of how the picture should look, and to have a the picture holding a flower with its tail up, looks like its happy. I don't know, there's something deeper to it. You get what I'm saying.

Kayla


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