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#6947 - 04/01/08 12:02 PM Converting.
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I just thought I would let you guys know.

I have officially converted to Islam. I will probably not be engaging in debate here much any more. I hope you an understand why. Praise be to Allah.
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#6948 - 04/01/08 12:37 PM Re: Converting. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Haha, April Fools back on you TC \:D
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#6951 - 04/01/08 01:51 PM Re: Converting. [Re: Nemesis]
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Awww, at lest one person may have not been paying attention to the date posted.

Yes, it was a joke. I have been caught out.
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#6955 - 04/01/08 04:19 PM Re: Converting. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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It sure seemed like something was up. xD
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#6959 - 04/01/08 07:05 PM Re: Converting. [Re: TheMask]
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Damn, I forgot what day it was. I just wrote up a cruel and insulting post for no reason. On the shelf it goes then...
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#6966 - 04/01/08 07:57 PM Re: Converting. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I know, I know, sorry to spoil the fun, .
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#6968 - 04/01/08 08:20 PM Re: Converting. [Re: Nemesis]
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Oh boy, almost asked if you were serious there. Lol that's pretty funny. Nice one TC. ;D
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#6971 - 04/01/08 08:49 PM Re: Converting. [Re: PigFeeder]
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Oh com'on people... I said ISLAM!

Judaism or Buddhism I could understand people being thrown but thinking "Is he serious" as I've never spoken out against them, but Islam. I make a point of insulting Islam every day. It's so funny that people even considered this a possibility, (I'm not sure if I should be insulted or not... lets go with not).
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#6979 - 04/01/08 09:17 PM Re: Converting. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Wicca would have been funnier.
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#6984 - 04/01/08 09:55 PM Re: Converting. [Re: Octavius]
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I have some standards Octavius. Islam may be psychotic, bigoted and violent but at least it's internally consistent (or as internally consistent as one can expect from a religion), Wicca is literally nothing more that the 'best bits' that particular group of goth kids like from all their favourite fantasy books, TV shows, video/roleplay games and the occasional ancient religion. They don't even make an effort to make it internally consistent.
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#6989 - 04/01/08 10:53 PM Re: Converting. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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TC, you are grossly ill-informed, as expected. You really need to crawl out of your own ass and take a look at the world you think you live in.
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#7025 - 04/02/08 02:24 AM Re: Converting. [Re: Octavius]
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I have known many people who claim to be Wicca and trust me when I say it is exactly what I claim it to be. I respect your opinion Octavius but I am far from ill-informed here. If you have some other example of Wicca, by all means please show me. I'd love to see a cohesive example of it, if it indeed exists.
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#7026 - 04/02/08 02:25 AM Re: Converting. [Re: Octavius]
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Well TC, I regret I don't kow you very well. I havn't seen you bash Islamics yet, I should go find some, I bet they would prove to be quite funny.
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#7028 - 04/02/08 02:35 AM Re: Converting. [Re: PigFeeder]
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If I haven't done so on this forum it is nothing short of an act of Big Sky Daddy. I do so extremely often so I can't imagine me never having done so here.
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#7151 - 04/03/08 10:55 PM Re: Converting. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I have known many people who claim to be Wicca and trust me when I say it is exactly what I claim it to be. I respect your opinion Octavius but I am far from ill-informed here. If you have some other example of Wicca, by all means please show me. I'd love to see a cohesive example of it, if it indeed exists.


You simply cannot generalize about religion and expect to be taken seriously. You are no authority on Wicca based on your alleged second-hand knowledge from "many" Wiccan acquaintances. You should have respect for your own opinion, rather than mine, and make sure that your opinion is INFORMED. Blasting any religion based on casual brushes with practitioning acquaintances paints you as quite the dullard. Your arguments and theories, regardless of the topic, have always struck me as reactionary and uninformed. You're the first person to bitch and complain about whatever today's random topic may be, but you are continually unable to back up your own presumptions with anything other than vague examples of hearsay.

In this instance, the responsibility of defining the faults of Wicca lies with you, considering that you were first to start fanning the proverbial fires. I called bullshit, and now you ask me to debate you. Why? You haven't provided anything to debate against other than your predictable opinions and tiring generalizations of "trust me". Furthermore, it's the principal of your statements that drives me to post all this. As a relatively respected member of this community, I'd expect you to lead by example and contribute to topics with more than just your unfounded opinions.

I could care less about Wicca, but I know bullshit when I smell it. If you'd want me to debate you, give me something to debate other than your baseless opinions and tough-guy veneer.

Mr. Octavius
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#7166 - 04/04/08 07:43 AM Re: Converting. [Re: Octavius]
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I'm sorry Octavius, but in that case I will have to back down and not debate this. I am not someone who looks into the Pagan religions, particularly not Wicca. However one of my ex girlfriends was Wiccan and I have had a few Wiccan friends. I have based my opinions of Wicca on my on experiences and if that isn't a valid enough reason for you then I'm sorry but nothing I have ever will be good enough for you. I see no point in wasting my time studying in detail the delusional few.

I don't mean to give any impressions that I'm the guy who knows everything but my opinions are far from baseless. I hope you can see that.

A lot of people here have a tendency to insult the intelligence of anyone who speaks out on a topic they are not specifically an expert on, with phrases like "try actual research" and other condescending comments often being flung around. I seriously hope we don't end up destroying this forum with our own pretentiousness because we're coming close at present. For a new poster this place is nothing but a firing range with their ego as the damn target and it's rather sickening.

As for the debate itself. I have witnessed people who claim to be Wicca lifting beliefs wholesale out of TV shows, literature, even games like World Of Darkness. What I saw was nothing but a fad religion, it was rather pathetic, contradictory at time and internally inconsistent. I've spoken to people who think they are vampires and have to drink blood, people who try to do candle magic, people who use tarot cards and crystals in place of modern medicine. Half of them seemed convinced they could talk to the dead, or read each others mind, or they would claim to have psychic links. One person I knew would randomly do an over exaggerated fake cough because he believed he was psychically linked to people who drown.... Wicca is a mismatch religion that doesn't make sense. Show me an internally consistent and sensible (as sensible as possible for theism) example of this and I will retract that statement.
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#7172 - 04/04/08 09:34 AM Re: Converting. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I'm not asking or expecting you to be an expert, I'm asking and expecting you to inform yourself. The fact that you view my request as a waste of time is disappointing and really speaks volumes about your character. For example, I've met and spoken with many soldiers in my life, but I'd never make a blanket statement on what it is to serve in the military based on my limited knowledge. I don't expect anyone to spend six years researching their replies here, but if you're going to spout off on a topic without anything to back it up, make sure you state that it's your opinion.

To be clear, this isn't about Wicca. It's about speaking from an informed and intelligent perspective. Go back and look at those posts from Dev from a few weeks ago... did you take the time to read through them and view the links to the various videos? Crazy or not, the guy knows how to present his position and back it up with something other than his opinion. At least he gave me something to THINK about.

Yes, Satanism allows you to bleat your opinion loud and mightily. But without substance, integrity, and purpose, your posts are nothing but dismissible. That goes for everyone on this site, myself included.
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#7206 - 04/04/08 07:44 PM Re: Converting. [Re: Octavius]
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As much as I agree with your basic idea and points there Octavius, I believe that judging things from multiple independent personal experiences is normally sufficient to make a general opinion on a subject. Now this is subject to situation obviously. If I meet three French people I don't assume that all French people are the same as them because that would be quite a blanket opinion, however when it comes to ideologies it's different. People of a specific religion, political affiliation, philosophy and ideology are normally, in my experience quite similar, (and I realise I'm using the same method of personal experiences to justify using personal experiences to make an opinion on a subject matter, but bare with me).

If I meet 50 Southern Baptists, they are normally pretty damn similar. Same if I meet 50 Mormons. They are all the bloody same. Every Liberal Hippy seems to act the same, and all the right wing conservatives seem the same as well. I can't argue with this, it's what I see daily. This is why when I see not just 2 or 3 but at least 20, maybe even 30 people in my life who claimed to be Wiccan, including a girlfriend I dated for a year, who told me a lot about her crackpot delusions, I trust my senses to accept that this trend will continue. I can't surely have found every fucking anomaly in Wicca. Granted I have said I will revoke my stance if people can provide convincing evidence that it is a real religion, and it has some internal consistency but I don't see it.

When it comes down to it Octavius, almost everything I state is an opinion, mine, that's why I said it. It's an obvious conclusion that what I said is my opinion, so obvious it doesn't need to be stated. The people on this forum are intelligent enough to know the difference between colloquialisms making it so that an opinion is spoken about as though it was fact and someone speaking actual fact.

Personally I think we'll have to agree that although we hold the same basic idea I think we have a rather different scale by which we consider someone able to speak about something with authority. I am much more lenient that yourself in that respect. Whether this is a good thing or not I think is a matter of opinion.
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