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#6998 - 04/01/08 11:45 PM What Exactly Is Satanism To You?
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I'm looking to hear more opinions on what Satanism is to you guys. I'm expecting that only the individuals here that are 100% sure with themselves will post here, because you risk the chance of getting critisized. I'd rather just hear everyone's opinion though so try not to correct each other and go at it.

Again I want to hear YOUR opinion on what Satanism is to you.


Personally, I think it is the ability to find power within yourself, not the need to go out and look for it in another. Alongside the theory that you do control the events in your life, beside the inevitable acts such as death. As I am a LaVeyan satanist I believe more in indulging in the carnal sins, not fearing them.

The deity we as humankind have believed in so far, is within us, and not some pair of eyes floating around watching over us. It will not take care of us, we take care of ourselves. We lead our own lives, till the cruel end or along the glory road.

Also as a satanist, I believe the weak-minded and weak-hearted will be weeded out. This is a strong belief of mine that what is strong, lives. The only exception is when the stronger take in the weaker to watch over.

I think of every person equally, same rights as everyone else, but I do not obviously like everyone equally. The truth to me is, the strong have always lived on, while the weak die away. A matter of time.

I have other minor beliefs but I will formulate them in one post afterwards when I gather my thoughts more thorougly

Thanks for checking it out, and I can't wait to hear from you all

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#7001 - 04/01/08 11:51 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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I'd share what I think Satanism is to me and how I feel about it, but I hold my personally beliefs and convictions in high regard as jewels; and nothing makes me more angry than to have some dumbass shit on something I feel such ways towards. Plus the less people know what I believe, the less they have to talk me into believing otherwise. Plus I'm possessive of my beliefs because I worked very hard coming up with them on my own, and I don't want anyone steeling my shit. For the record my answer is: Whats written in the Satanic Bible with personal interpolations, and a private Commentary.

~Kayla


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#7002 - 04/01/08 11:55 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Okay I respect that Kayla, good answer though. It's true answers here are likely to be dumped on, which is not what I want. I just want to hear different opinions from people. No judging or harsh behaviour.
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#7006 - 04/02/08 12:07 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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 Originally Posted By: PigFeeder
Okay I respect that Kayla, good answer though. It's true answers here are likely to be dumped on, which is not what I want. I just want to hear different opinions from people. No judging or harsh behaviour.


I'm actually interested too. I can express my Satanism in 15 letters: "K A Y L A D I G I O V A N N I"

ps- I didn't mean you when i said dumbass Piggy. I meant that in a general way.


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#7009 - 04/02/08 12:27 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Oh no no I know. I understood you meant in general.
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#7020 - 04/02/08 01:36 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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Satanism to me is:

Emulating an imagined persona, that I have created in my mind. A completely self actualized being, named Lucifer. He does not have supernatural powers of any kind, but instead, is the person that I would like to be, if I was able to use all of my cognitive, and physical abilities to their optimum potential.

Making no excuses for myself, to myself, about where I am, and why. Accepting my short comings while attempting to over come them.

Allowing my imagination to wonder where it pleases, without placing limits on it, because of perceived morality.

Thinking objectively as possible, within the limits of my ability to do so.

Being able to admit that there ARE smarter, more intelligent, and better people then myself, and learning from them if given the opportunity to do so.

Acknowledging my short comings TO MYSELF, without sugar coating them, and without regard to how uncomfortable the reality of them might be to admit.

Realizing that rules and laws are written by men, and I am not bound to obey them through any higher power. Yet also realizing that there are possible consequences if I chose to break any of them.

Accepting my empathy for other living things, including other people. Live and let live, but retaliate against aggression, if possible to do so and if it is of benefit to me.

Love fully those that I wish to, even if for no other reason then wishing to do so.

Hate those who I wish to, without guilt.

Being able to enjoy pleasure for its own sake, without always analyzing the reasons why I enjoy them.

Do not confuse courtesy and diplomacy with weakness, and not fear being courteous and diplomatic because others might view it as weak.

Dance if I want to, without fear of ridicule.

Freely look at something or someone attractive, even if it is considered inappropriate to do so, if it pleases me, but NOT just to prove that I can, or to make others feel uncomfortable.

NEVER betray a true friend or ally unless physically tortured and to weak to help it.

Accept an adversaries sincere surrender, and allow them to keep their dignity, unless to do so would be harmful. Sometimes an adversary, can become ones greatest ally, but not if their dignity and honor is trampled unnecessarily. This is not the same as turning the other cheek.

Eat, sleep, and fuck, if it brings pleasure.

And always, ALWAYS wear sun screen when out in the sun!
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#7023 - 04/02/08 02:20 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: Asmedious]
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Wow well done Asmedious, I really like how you put it together. Thank you for sharing with me.

I can actually relate to several of your opinions, they definetly make sense and are logical. The reason I said I needed to compose my thoughts more is because, I know the mind keeps many subconcious reasonings hidden deep within.

You are really good at organizing your thoughts as well. I commend you on that. I have a problem theinking of everything, and always feel I have to add things later on.
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#7029 - 04/02/08 02:52 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=ATR6sZe--P8

Although it's satirical, this is pretty much how I approach life, I consider the essence of that video to be very much what Satanism is like for me. Live life as you want to live it.
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#7030 - 04/02/08 02:55 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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I have a problem theinking of everything, and always feel I have to add things later on.


Yeah, me too. If I was as organized as you give me credit for (thanks by the way) I would write my babble, then let it sit for for a day or two, then re-read it, edit it, and add what ever else pops into mind. Eh, we all can't be Stephen Kings, or Hemingways.
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#7034 - 04/02/08 07:31 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: Asmedious]
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Well I'm good at writing papers and the like for classes, I can write fairly well and have been praised for it since I was a young boy. But for some reason when it comes to certain questions like "What is Satanism to you", I have trouble expressing myself. Or maybe that's just a hint that I need to read up more on the subject.

Maybe I should try writing down and organizing my thoughts more, then coming and posting them when I feel they are finished.
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#7039 - 04/02/08 08:37 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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Satanic is a right of passage to me.I have read the commandments and not all the book but some of lavey's bible.I think to me though it's just a way of question of society for there mostly stupid philosophy's which is beleive like us,drink like us,be bound like us.Satanic is the practice of magick,the right to believe in yourself and worship how you please.I also question the church and the rules and regulations,hell if we all did what the church said we would all die of starvation,or because they would rather pray for you then have medicine cure you.I am not a slave to a cult that is exactly what they are.I may have some feelings
on christ set apart from you or other people,or let's just say,I do not mind what you proclaim as long as you do not stuff it down my throat.Satanic stands for freedom,love of life,accepting you are dirt,or have animal traits encoded inside yourself.You are no better,or really are worse than any animal I have befriended,we hold keys over others lives when we judge or are cruel,hate is emotion,so is love,rebellion etc..It is natural for people to tred their own paths,that is what life is about.Beleiving in a afterlife has no bearing on the animal,mammal flesh we are in,so just know that everybody is a snake,in some shape form or fashion,not cold-blooded,but can be cold hearted.Satanic to me is this life of flesh.The law of human existance.

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#7042 - 04/02/08 09:00 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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 Originally Posted By: PigFeeder
But for some reason when it comes to certain questions like "What is Satanism to you", I have trouble expressing myself. Or maybe that's just a hint that I need to read up more on the subject.


Well, you hardly can read more on the subject to project how you feel about Satanism. Of course I understand that sometimes when reading what others have written you suddenly realise that's exactly how you would have said it, without it being borrowed.
My realisations mostly don't come from satanic literature, as they tend to be somewhat one sided and don't offer that much to think about. Sometimes it's better to have something to disagree upon to better figure out where you stand.

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#7087 - 04/02/08 10:49 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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Yes well two of your points are exactly how I feel. In reading Asmediou's posts I realised several things about myself. I didn't want to admit it and say it, because I know someone here would say I was just copying him or somerthing of the like. But yes Asmedious I can relate and most of your belief makes sense to me.

Secondly, that is mostly where I am coming from. The main factor in the reasoning of calling myself LaVeyan Satanist is because I found out about itm read on it studied it for a long time, and realised it coincided much with how I live my life on an everday basis. But I have minor reasonings such as the fact that I have many points in several other religions that I disagree with completely. In Satanism in general, I do not find many things in which I disagree with at all. And that is what fuels my belief.
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#7100 - 04/03/08 12:19 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I will keep an eye on this thread. Anything that comes across as an asinine response will be deleted. One liners, bullshit, and anything other than constructive criticism will be deleted. As long as it is constructive and well thought out or worded, if someone stomps on your beliefs, I will allow it. I'm interested, and I hope other users as well, to read the responses to this thread. If you can't make it worthwhile, skip to the introductions section. I have no problem pulling the trigger on repeat offenders.
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#7136 - 04/03/08 03:07 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: fakepropht]
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Satanism represents life before death,not life after. Its an individual quest for knowledge and inspires the use magic to attain goals that you feel or almost immpossible to succeed. Satanism also recognizes "man as anohter animal sometimes better more often worse then those that walk on all four because of our devine spiritual and intellectual developmenthas become the most vicous animal of all" the 7th Satanic statement by Anton LaVey! Satanism is probably the only religion that leaves an empty space for its people to create accorrding to their own will. So one must be their own Leader and act according to their own action and see the world as a place for indulging not a place of emotional damnation.
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#7157 - 04/04/08 01:50 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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Satanism is seeking the True Light and not settling on what you were brought up on. It is also not trusting one's true destiny to fate and creating your own fate - for better or for worse.

I see Satan/Lucifer the deity in the Promethean perspective as to where Lucifer is an actual entity that represents True Knowledge and there are other things that are currently beyond our grasp.

I've stated before that I also tend to gravitate towards Modern Satanism at times since I do relate to many of the beliefs. I see "General Satanism" as the need to evolve. The need to have a good working knowledge about many other things relating to our world and not just reading the Al-Jilwah, the Satanic Bible, and other Satanic/Luciferic texts. I feel that I'm currently at this stage, considering myself a Satanist for only a year now. I need to gain more knowledge in order to formulate my own beliefs. Even after that, I'll still have much to learn.
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#7213 - 04/04/08 09:04 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: Sinistar]
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I've been mulling this over in my head and here is a definition that I believe accurately sums up my feelings towards what it means to be a satanist.

Satanism for me has two parts. Firstly the part which we all share is the idea of the adversary. Now I'm not just saying being opposite just for the sake of it, but a sort of refusal to go against social norms. The idea that you see illusion and you're not willing to facilitate it any more. It's the first step in removing the oppression of the collective and instead become wholly who you are. A sort of undoing if you will.

Now the second part is the part that we as satanists tend to clash heads on, but I think unnecessarily so. There are many different ways we can go, many different paths we can choose, and choose is the operative word, because we are now hopefully without undue pressure to go in any direction other than one of our own choosing. The paths are too numerous to mention but to illustrate this point just look at the difference in practice between groups such as the ONA and the CoS, even the ToS and the Dragon Rouge. I think it's probably impossible for us to ever learn the complete truth of the universe but the first step is the step that we all share. Where we go from there is our own journey.
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#7225 - 04/05/08 02:14 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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This is a very good question and I will answer my subjective view of Satanism. Satanism has nothing to do with heavy metal music or things like this. Many people have this silly notion that these kinds of things are satanic. Satanism is defined by eachs owns originality in whatever aspect you can fathom. For example if I love to drink tea, I as an individual will drink as much of that tea as I feel i need to to be satisfied. That in itself is a satanic principle. Sociologically thinking, such sociologits such as Maslow, and Vroom had theory's about human behavior that are completly explaining Satanism in a nutshell. You may know about them ,I wont go into detail explain what those are you can do that yourself. But Satanism is completly subjective because it has to do with human nature. As seen in the animal kingdom, animals are the most satanic of all beings. Mankinds intellect has the same ingrained principle but the ability to reason more than other animals (Notice how I didnt say animals cant reason, 'Look at BF. SKinner, or Pavlov' to see that) has given him the ability to look at many motivating factors quickly, thus giving him the ability to better control whether or not they want to act in there nature or submit to a ideology that has been ingrained for thousands of years. That though is another story. (The story of Why people believe the things they do religiously wise). Satanism to me is greatly explained in Evolution and Natural Selection. I could go on and on about what I think Satanism is but what is key is that it represents mans most basic and carnal needs which has allowed Humanity to make it to the point in which we are at right now, Greed, indulgence, servivle of the fitest has all done these things and can be summed up in what Satanism represents. So its not about rituals and these things per se, its not about wearing black clothes, or looking mean or ugly. These things are simply subjective as well and are fine but by no means define Satanism.
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#7251 - 04/05/08 03:59 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: peoplewatching]
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 Originally Posted By: peoplewatching
This is a very good question and I will answer my subjective view of Satanism. Satanism has nothing to do with heavy metal music or things like this. Many people have this silly notion that these kinds of things are satanic. Satanism is defined by eachs owns originality in whatever aspect you can fathom. For example if I love to drink tea, I as an individual will drink as much of that tea as I feel i need to to be satisfied. That in itself is a satanic principle. Sociologically thinking, such sociologits such as Maslow, and Vroom had theory's about human behavior that are completly explaining satanism in a nutshell. You may know about them ,I wont go into detail explain what those are you can do that yourself. But Satanism is completly subjective because it has to do with human nature. As seen in the animal kingdom, animals are the most satanic of all beings. Mankinds intellect has the same ingrained principle but the ability to reason more than other animals (Notice how I didnt say animals cant reason, 'Look at BF. SKinner, or Pavlov' to see that) has given him the ability to look at many motivating factors quickly, thus giving him the ability to better control whether or not they want to act in there nature or submit to a ideology that has been ingrained for thousands of years. That though is another story. (The story of Why people believe the things they do religiously wise). Satanism to me is greatly explained in Evolution and Natural Selection. I could go on and on about what I think Satanism is but what is key is that it represents mans most basic and carnal needs which has allowed Humanity to make it to the point in which we are at right now, Greed, indulgence, servivle of the fitest has all done these things and can be summed up in what Satanism represents. So its not about rituals and these things per se, its not about wearing black clothes, or looking mean or ugly. These things are simply subjective as well and are fine but by no means define satanism.



Exactly, Satanism to me, the general principle its, indulgence. Although it may mean you are generally rejected my much of society, indulgence is what allows you to control and enjoy your life.

The reason Satanism is always assocoiated with metal and particularily black metal, is because many bands show off that they are Satanist with symbols and lyrics for publicity and the different, rebellious type of attitude. This isn't to say that some bands like Gorgoroth aren't actually Satanist. To tell you the truth, as everyone knows metal has been hated by many outsiders and considered evil. So they stuck the label Satanic on metal and now thats what it's attributed to. Personally, those are my two theories on why Metal is associated with Satanism.

I really like what I'm seeing in this thread, I'm learning a lot about general ideas and theories on Satanism. Thank you all and still looking forward to more replies.
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#7257 - 04/05/08 04:53 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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The Chinese used to have a saying, "Buddist at home, and Confucian at work". I find Satanism and the Left hand path to have similar parallels for me.

To me, Satanism is a citizen's philosophy, that is to say, a method of participating as both a citizen and as a human being in a philosophical and moral sense, in life. By framing my day to day life in terms defined as Satanic, I have a method of navigating life. My responses to growing up, fitting into a community and dealing with peer and social pressures are all generalised and framed by my self formed opinions set against personal experience and the writings of various Satanic authors that have resonance with me.

I find that the idea of "Satanism" and my personal worldview are indivisible. Even when I have changed and developed that opinion and theory, it still remains a "Satanic" one. I think that this idea of self directed and evolving theory is an important part of the core of Satanism, whereas many other philosophies and social or moral codes are very intolerant of personal change prizing stasis (orthodoxy).

If self evolution is the first part of my definition of Satanism, I think that self permission is the second part. No matter the subject at hand, I always refer to my own opinion. If, in my opinion, I do not agree with the action, I won't do it. While this seems intuitive, I think that many social philosophies hold in high esteem the willingness of people to set their opinions and needs below that of the many.
Consider the fact that Monotheistic religions, as a rule, regard the most self sacrificing and submissive as the most holy and rewarded ones in the afterlife. Contrary to this rule, it seems that Satanists will always admire those who "did it their own way" and still succeeded, or were recognised for their efforts.

But that would mean that we need the acclaim and affirmation of others. That's not neccessarily true either. My third part of the definition of Satanism would be "Self satisfaction". We are happy to simply be our own judges and compasses. We might be influenced in a vulgar or subtle sense, but in the end, we are happy to be at peace with ourselves, and to define where it is in our lives that we are succeeding or failing. It is a common cause of conflict in our community when we point out something we see as a weakness in someone, that they believe to be a strength!.

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#7656 - 04/13/08 11:16 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: Nubeth666]
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Ave!

I have battled with how to word this for quite a bit of time...and I hope in my first post here I present myself as something more than a rambler.

To Me Satanism is:

Doing everything thing you do to fullest. If you love something...make it paramount in your life. If you hate something...Express that disdain in everyway to anyone who will listen.

The goal of Satanism to me is to create a personal system equal parts ritual and non ritual philosophy that allows you to separate far and away from the "middle-ground" of society.

I believe in the regular and consistent use of ritual magic that implements what I will refer to as the 'Dark Gods'. These 'Dark Gods' are externalizations of the feelings of any given practitioner and are not literal beings merely tools to help in dealing with focus of your will or other personal emotional needs.

I believe that each of these 'Dark Gods' are more powerful if given separate and distinct personalities rather than thinking of them all as names of Satan as suggested by LaVey.

All this said I think Satanism is not nor can it ever be static. Satanism is a "Let's all race down the Rabbit Hole" philosophy and it is deeply personal and effective in everyoneís life it touches.

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#7704 - 04/14/08 05:34 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: NoMoreThanGhosts]
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Well Iím not always 100% sure of myself but Iím quite happy to answer this. I'm not worried about criticism, I can either learn from it if itís worthy of attention or laugh at it if itís silly.

I agree with almost everything Asmedious said on the first page. Iím not going to say the same things in my own words because he put it so well, way better than I could, and said pretty much what I think. The one point of his where I differ slightly is this one:

ďAccepting my empathy for other living things, including other people. Live and let live, but retaliate against aggression, if possible to do so and if it is of benefit to me.Ē

I donít fully Ďlive and let liveí, I have a huge problem with religion and would wipe it out completely if I could, even if itís peaceful and private. If itís based on lies Iím intolerant and not of the Ďlive and let liveí mindset.

As well as all the great points people have made in this thread, I see Satanism as an anti-religious stance. This is what got me into it in the first place, this was the conversation I was having in which a friend used the label ĎSatanistí to insult me and prompted me to look into it.
So first and foremost my interest in Satanism is to do with extreme hatred of (most) religion. Maybe the anti-religion stance goes without saying and thatís why thereís not much talk of it in this thread. If thatís the case, forgive my noobyness. Iíve heard some Satanists say theyíre not bothered what people believe, well I am. Iím bothered greatly, especially when those beliefs are forced upon children. My views on this come from working for a few years in a predominately muslim school. Thatís a whole other thread, I wonít bore people with the details here because it's an answer to a different question.

So to summarise: what he said and then this other bit

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#7751 - 04/15/08 10:05 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: psiren]
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I've noticed that extreme hate of any kind towards things you can't change can pretty quick wear you down. Hate is a good and powerfull emotion, but better used when used as a motivational emotion towards a goal. Hate something you can affect, and use it's energy to achieve your goal.
Otherwise it's just plain empty. You could be brooding your entire lifetime and still have achieved nothing. 'Cause your hate won't make religion go away. Education is the only good cure for religious beliefs.

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#7754 - 04/15/08 11:39 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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 Originally Posted By: MaggotFaceMoe
I've noticed that extreme hate of any kind towards things you can't change can pretty quick wear you down. Hate is a good and powerfull emotion, but better used when used as a motivational emotion towards a goal. Hate something you can affect, and use it's energy to achieve your goal.
Otherwise it's just plain empty. You could be brooding your entire lifetime and still have achieved nothing. 'Cause your hate won't make religion go away. Education is the only good cure for religious beliefs.


Right, yeah I can see that. I wouldn't say I brood. I laugh at it more than anything. I enjoy the hatred. I love comedy and some of the best comedy is anti-religious. I don't bitch and whine about things I can't change but I do rant on occasion, If I go off on a rant I try to make it entertaining so something of worth is coming out of it. If it got me down to any noticeable extent, I would try and eradicate it from my mind, as it is it gives me a huge amount of entertainment.
I've removed myself from the school I worked at because it did get me down at times. Although while I was there I was able to help a couple of kids and have the resulting warm fuzzy glow of making things as I wanted them, even if it was only on a very small scale. If I wasn't so angry with what was going on there, I'd not have the motivation to do anything about it. So while I agree that hating something you can't change is often futile, it's not always without it's rewards.

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#7757 - 04/15/08 03:24 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: Sinistar]
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 Originally Posted By: Sinistar
Satanism is seeking the True Light and not settling on what you were brought up on. It is also not trusting one's true destiny to fate and creating your own fate - for better or for worse.

I see Satan/Lucifer the deity in the Promethean perspective as to where Lucifer is an actual entity that represents True Knowledge and there are other things that are currently beyond our grasp.



As someone new to Satanism, I like your views: Satan/Lucifer as the catalyst for change in man, that which causes you to question what others just accept and that which causes you to yearn for more. This is a view I could readily adopt as it fits my current thinking and all that I have encountered in life.
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#7820 - 04/16/08 01:14 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
I will keep an eye on this thread. Anything that comes across as an asinine response will be deleted. One liners, bullshit, and anything other than constructive criticism will be deleted. As long as it is constructive and well thought out or worded, if someone stomps on your beliefs, I will allow it. I'm interested, and I hope other users as well, to read the responses to this thread. If you can't make it worthwhile, skip to the introductions section. I have no problem pulling the trigger on repeat offenders.


Here is a good example of what Satanism is to me. Satanism meanshaving had enough of something, and just killing it or less violently, letting th e damned thing die. It's not about pampering everything or feeling bad about what cannot be helped. It's not about being nice - although, that can come back to haunt a Satanist - everything has a shadow side...

Satanism is "pulling the trigger" and living with the inevitable and sometimes irreversable consequences of your actions. This doesn't mean murder or violence - very often it means allowing ourselves to see the part of reality that is scaring us. That we are all alone in this universe - duality is a delusion. There's no one that will hold your hand and lead you to ascending the pinnacle of becoming omnipotent. You have to do that all on your own. Another belief that is scary to people is that - the universe - that which contains the delusion "god" is very violent. Entire galaxies are destroyed on the stage of the sky, observable by the powerful telescopes we have here on earth. Galaxies which very probably hold life, planets full of beings just like ourselves, or even more rare and exaltable by human standards - they're just gone. Obliterated.



SO yeah, it's scary, facing that terror is one of the strengths of a Satanist. They know about this in India as well, facing the abyss, the great black mother - whatever you want to call it. We can give a face and name to pieces of it but it's really a very dark and scary universe, and Satanism has the guidebook to walking that pathway into learning to love it.

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#7840 - 04/16/08 09:14 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: 97and107]
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Satanism to me is consciousness with open dialog, and complete understanding, nonjudgement, place, power and journey. It is a realm of darkenss overcome, terror faced and destiny self achieved. It is an awareness of your being and of your own personal worth. It is the discipline of obedience to a power that leads us and guides us. Satan can see all and knows all but is blind to the human fallacies like sex, race, and age. He does not care about them as they are no reflection upon ones conscious state of mind. It is this state of mind which governs matter and has dominion over this matter. I choose my own path and take care that it is a path where Lucifer reigns as he is Lord and He is all IN all.
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#9713 - 06/20/08 02:55 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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Satanism to me is the belief in yourself.I also beleve satan is a force/energy that through meditation can can be drawn into myself.i dont beleave i god because prayer is never answered,for a better explanation,if i were god and created man to obay me i'd give theme the brain to do just that and not give them the ability to think for them self. i also beleave in levey Satanism.

Edited by 999 (06/20/08 02:59 PM)
Edit Reason: mispelled words
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#9737 - 06/21/08 08:31 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: 999]
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Here is my opinion....

My view of Satanism and the Left Hand Path is similar to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs (again refer back to the first paragraph). One must first resolve the darker "Satanic" issues of indulgence, physical desires, and ego gratification before one can evolve to the Luciferian light of Self-actualization and Self-deification (in a metaphorical sense). Satan is a symbol or personification of the human ego, carnal indulgence, as well as the unknown forces of nature. Lucifer is a symbol of the self and as the bringer of light and wisdom which is seen as a more positive aspect than the darker, more carnal image of Satan. As part of my LHP journey I started with "LaVeyan" thought (which simply means I started with the SB and SR), but have continued to evolve my own thought which I think was Anton LaVey's intent. As the primary philosophy of the LHP is Self-Evolution, this should be a natural consequence in my humble opinion.

For the beginning stages of the LHP the Satanic Bible focuses more on simple ego-aggrandizement (hedonism), Ayn Rand philosophy, seventeenth Century French aristocratic Satanism, and social stratification (this is not necessarily meritocratic and is a carryover from the medieval Christian scheme of the Grand Hierarchy). However, I have become more interested in exploring modern Luciferian Satanism where Lucifer as the "Light-Bearer" is seen as an archetype and metaphor for enlightenment, expanding knowledge, civilization, personal development, the "God and Liberator of the Serfs", the spread of freethought (Atheism, skepticism, scientific knowledge, and doubt) as well as the immanent and interdependent forces of the Universe, and "elitism" through actual accomplishment, etc. and is the Satan or shaitan (adversary) of ignorance and blind faith and "stratification" (which is not based on actual, real world
merit).

To me rituals and "magick" are psychological tools to deliberately work to change one's consciousness so that one can alter one's paradigm and way towards interacting with the world (which can cause more positive results for oneself due to the interdependent nature of things). Casting "spells" to get things seems to be another way of petitioning "supernatural" forces to better one's life without much personal effort - another word for that is "prayer" (a very RHP concept) which is not my thing.

My personal practice could best be described as modern (symbolic) Luciferan Satanism with a focus on Lucifer as the "light-bringer" through the black flame of wisdom who is the Satan or shaitan of ignorance (and its corollary "blind faith") - I view these as archetypes and metaphors for the interdependent forces of the universe which are not anthropomorphic (however I must state that sometimes I do get an experience of the interdependent "dark" forces of the universe as something more than just naturalistic so I am not necessarily a dogmatic Atheist). I do sense a Satan (Earthly - Dark) and Lucifer (Evolutionary - Light) polarity that works for me (much like the Horus/Set polarity). I think both polarities must be actualized. The true Lucifer for me must be realized from within.

I view "magic" and ritual as a way to facilitate my own alteration of my thought paradigms (through objectification) which in turn affects the way I act in the world (and I view all actions as interdependent). I view ethics as objectively examining the consequences of one's own actions in this interdependent web and then accepting them before one acts (causing unnecessary harm to others generally causes harm to come to oneself or causes undesired consequences). I personally don't have a problem with materialism or dying however (my own atheistic opinion of course). I find personal satisfaction is found from living a full life through exuberance and benevolence (when justified). I think many people's overreliance on magical thinking becomes a substitute for actual accomplishment and
serves as an artificial ego boost.

In many ways I could probably state that I could be considered some type of "nonoccultic" Luciferian Satanist. To me, Satan/Lucifer IS the God or Spirit of Science in a poetic sense. It was what were considered the "occult arts" which led to scientific discoveries and the development of the various sciences (in fact, the sciences were very much considered to be "forbidden knowledge" during the Dark Ages). For example, it was experimentation in alchemy which led to the development of chemistry. It was the study of astrology which led to the development of astronomy. It was traditional herbalism which led to the development of medicine (and the study of ethnobotany continues to explore the scientific knowledge that can be gained through the examination of traditional herbal practices). For me the spirit of Satanism has compelled me to emphasize the progressing of human knowledge towards greater "Light" (after all, Lucifer is the "Light-Bearer") rather than going back into the "darkness" of superstition which is more consistent with the anti-scientific bias of Christians.

On the other hand I do occasional ceremonial and ritual observances - mostly tied in with seasonal observances and lifecycle events. I also do more meditative practices as well to focus on the Morning Star within.

Religions, especially those of a spiritual nature, are based upon ethics, morals, and values that are fundamentally anti-life. This is why there is a frequent emphasis on "rewards" in the afterlife. Right hand path religions are also anti-human by promoting actions which are contrary to human nature and against an individual's rational self-interest. Human beings who belong to such right hand path spiritual religions are "decent" only to the extent that they ignore or act in defiance of those anti-human ethics.

Understanding how the religious values of the Judeo-Islamic-Christian religions are inversions of what is good or bad for human beings is a fundamentally important concept to grasp about Satanism and blasphemy as the beginning steps of the Left Hand Path of Luciferian Illumination. That is why Satanists have the inverted star as their symbol. IMHO, Anton LaVey created modern Satanism as codified in the Satanic Bible as a statement against those hypocritical and anti-human standards of the Right Hand Path and his codified blasphemy against these restrictive norms is a good FIRST STEP on the Left Hand Path.

Furthermore, the institutional structure of churches/religions is political in actual nature and serves to pressure the individual, through guilt, fear, or priesthood "authority", to submission to the will of the religious institutions. This is often tied in, of course, with a sizable tithe or offering. Satan, as defined by Albert Pike (Scottish Rite Freemason - I come from a Freemason background) and emphasized by various modern Satanist organizations, represents the archetypal hero with the ability to stand up against this institutional religious oppression through the encouragement of doubt, critical inquiry, freedom of thought and belief, and the refusal to subjugate the rights of the individual to the collective. Modern Satanism itself then is a paradox as it may use the techniques of institutional religions, such as ritual and pageantry (see the Books of Belial and Leviathan in the Satanic Bible), as well as planned "blasphemy" (see the Books of Satan and Lucifer in the Satanic Bible) as a way to undercut the authority and appeal of such institutions which would ultimately include itself.

It is only doubt which will bring mental emancipation.


Edited by davesalyers (06/21/08 08:36 PM)

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#9742 - 06/22/08 01:12 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: davesalyers]
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First off: 999, You are from Alabama, which doesn't mean that your spelling will certainly be perfect, but I expect that if you will edit your post and spelling, you do it right.


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Satanism to me is the belief in yourself.I also beleve satan is a force/energy that through meditation can can be drawn into myself.i dont beleave i god because prayer is never answered,for a better explanation,if i were god and created man to obay me i'd give theme the brain to do just that and not give them the ability to think for them self. i also beleave in levey satanism.


Mispelt words for your benefit:
believe [Not spelt beleve or beleave..]
Obey
them [Completely different meaning from your word, theme].

I would hope that calling yourself Satanist and admitting to reading TSB you would at least be able to spell the word LaVey... It is NOT spelt like Levy, or Levey.. C'mon.. Please people..




Dave, I can see your post is truly thought out, and your outlook on Satanism is very clear to you. You have clearly done your research, and have done some intelligent reading. You understand things that many others never begin to grasp.
Bravo, well done Dave..


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#9755 - 06/22/08 03:57 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
999 Offline
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Thanks man, Yes, I do live in Alabama.No, I was not born here.I do try to spell things correctly.I'll check my posts more closely before I send them.Don't mean to waste your time.This fucking key pad is broken,This is some of the reasions for mispelt words.The other reasion is I was stupied and quit the 8th grade.I will do better on my next post.
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#9758 - 06/22/08 06:11 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: 999]
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You know there are other people on here who can't spell properly either but are quick to point out other's mistakes. I'd say 'you know who you are' but I'm not sure they do.

This is completely off topic and I apologise for that but we have a few cases of pots insulting kettles going on.

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#9804 - 06/26/08 10:33 AM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: psiren]
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Like whom I must ask? I don't see too many people who can't spell pointing out other people's mistakes.. I know of one although..


999, I must say, some of your posts are looking a bit better. I understand your keypad being broken and you dropping out has detrimental effects on your spelling and grammar here, but perhaps try a spell check? The easiest thing I can suggest is download firefox, it has an automatic spell checker for you. No work needed.

Look into it friend, it will help you.



Also Psiren, if you are posting that here, you must be reffering to me? As I see it, my spelling is pretty damn good. If it's me the problem, don't be shy to point it out... If not than fine, but then that means this post is completely irrelevant in accordance to this topic. I would ask, even though your apology is well recieved to stay on topic according to threads or post.



Thank you,



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#9811 - 06/26/08 09:08 PM Re: What Exactly Is Satanism To You? [Re: PigFeeder]
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Jesus Fucking Christ, ENOUGH with this goddamn spelling bullshit. I'm locking this thread.
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