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#8350 - 05/02/08 09:13 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: School Bully]
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Ahh, come on I thought you were big and strong...


Morg

btw, you are right in a way, especially if you don't realize that you are being manipulated and mindfucked. Kinda oblivilous, and not wanting to see the big picture of what stupid shit you walked right into.
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#8351 - 05/02/08 09:14 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: School Bully]
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Far be it from me to build fences, but let's take a quick look at this...

Satan, is commonly known as an Archangel of the Abrahamic Lord who went against the Throne. For this indiscretion, he, and a third of heaven's angels, were cast into Hell. The entire legend of Satan/Lucifer is an Abrahamic construction based on Abrahamic faith/tradition. If you believe that this is indeed a fact, then you must acknowledge the existence of the Abrahamic God. If you have faith in the actual existence of either of these figures, you are most certainly a THEIST. Perhaps "Heretical Christian" is a bit broad, but I don't see how you can worship Satan as a deity without also having faith in the rest of Abrahamic tradition.

Please, I am more than willing to listen to other possibilities or interpretations... however, I still stand by the assertion that if you worship Satan/Lucifer as an actual deity, then you are logically a heretic within the Abrahamic tradition. This is not meant to be a semantics debate, nor do I wish to put anyone into proverbial cages, but I see a clear difference between a Satanist and a Satan Worshiper. One reveres an archetype...the other kneels in subservience to something bigger than themselves.

I openly, without hostility, invite all theists here to enlighten me regarding other explanations.

With respect,
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#8353 - 05/03/08 12:15 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Octavius]
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Oh Octavius,

You dangerous mind-fucker, you... my ear is still bleeding. Go easy on these new ones.
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#8357 - 05/03/08 04:42 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Octavius]
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Though no one would like to admit it, Satanism, in general, is a reactionary religion unless you're one of those Nazis that worship Egyptian Gods which "predates Christianity". Satan means Adversary in Hebrew, yes we know that. We need the supposed protagonist before an antagonist exists.

To even use the word "heretical" suggests an attachment to the dogmas of Christianity. I must say that I did like that term. If we go back even further, Theists could even be considered "Heretical Jews".

I worship Satan the deity because He's closer to mankind when it comes to attributes. He's vain and he's proud. Two big attributes that Theists and Moderns alike share. Maybe I could be likened to the Yezidi tribe of Iraq, whereas there is Yahweh, the Creator. Then there's Melek Taus (Church Lady: "Satan?") who is closer to mankind and considered to be the Muse of Civilization and the God of this World.


I understand that seeing is believing for some of you. For us Theists, we feel that there's more out there than what we see in the mirror.

As far as everyone making disparaging remarks about 352: Modern Satanism conveys individuality and vital existence. We believe that no man is an island. It is in man's nature to be part of something, is it not? If it wasn't no one would be here sharing conversation and ideas, etc. We believe in pooling all our resources together to attempt to further ourselves and our beliefs in Satanism. It might sound like an oxymoron, but a collective of free-thinkers achieving common goals. You could even say that we sound Communist, but we're definitely not into mind control and KGB.
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#8358 - 05/03/08 05:09 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinistar]
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We need the supposed protagonist before an antagonist exists.


(I guess it actually can be done, Ta2zz, responding to something without actually responding to the entire thread... please help them.)

Well, Sinistar, you're still "re-acting" to "something". You just said it.

(I'll do it again, 'cause it makes me happy...)

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Theists could even be considered "Heretical Jews".


Yes, indeed, young apprentice, now you're getting the "gist". Perhaps it should be called "Heretical Judeo-Christian" - so sorry if anyone felt left out.

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We believe that no man is an island. It is in man's nature to be part of something, is it not?


We? We?

Was it Groucho Marx, or Woody Allen that once said "I would never be part of a group that accepted me as a member."? (I have to give credit to my wife for pointing this little fact out.)

Everyone is alone.

I think I have to repeat this, so I will, perhaps differently...

We are alone. That is, each person on this planet exists "alone".

How about "Nobody, knows no-one" - for you Chris Isaak fans.

When you walk down the street, when you go to sleep, when you brush your teeth -

When you wipe your ass, when you go to class, when you think of the past -

When you die.

I would hate to live in a world that involved a bunch of strangers when I decided to take a dump. That horrifies me beyond what any "demons" could ever present.

All I really want... is to take a crap........... alone.

Thank you.
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#8362 - 05/03/08 05:49 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: daevid777]
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I understand that seeing is believing for some of you. For us Theists, we feel that there's more out there than what we see in the mirror.


So do I Sinistar, but I don't beleive that just because there is more out there than I can see in the mirror, that there is a God of any kind.

I guess where I am interested in why theists beleive in a 'all powerful being' is that I just don't beleive in a creator at all.

I mean, yes the mystery of life and the life force is one we all wonder at, but I haven't seen anything in life that might make me believe in a creator of that force. Don't theists by definition believe in a creator?

Also I disagree about your statement saying that the WSA doesn't teach mind control. I've read a thread quite to the contrary on the site. They might not be very successful at it, but they do try to do it. What do you think memes are, if not a type of viral mind control, or influence?

PS I didn't know that the TOS was nazis, but the ONA sure has a few and where does most of WSA writings come from Sin?

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#8363 - 05/03/08 05:51 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: daevid777]
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 Originally Posted By: daevid777
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We need the supposed protagonist before an antagonist exists.


(I guess it actually can be done, Ta2zz, responding to something without actually responding to the entire thread... please help them.)

Well, Sinistar, you're still "re-acting" to "something". You just said it.

(I'll do it again, 'cause it makes me happy...)

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Theists could even be considered "Heretical Jews".


Yes, indeed, young apprentice, now you're getting the "gist". Perhaps it should be called "Heretical Judeo-Christian" - so sorry if anyone felt left out.

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We believe that no man is an island. It is in man's nature to be part of something, is it not?


We? We?

Was it Groucho Marx, or Woody Allen that once said "I would never be part of a group that accepted me as a member."? (I have to give credit to my wife for pointing this little fact out.)

Everyone is alone.

I think I have to repeat this, so I will, perhaps differently...

We are alone. That is, each person on this planet exists "alone".

How about "Nobody, knows no-one" - for you Chris Isaak fans.

When you walk down the street, when you go to sleep, when you brush your teeth -

When you wipe your ass, when you go to class, when you think of the past -

When you die.

I would hate to live in a world that involved a bunch of strangers when I decided to take a dump. That horrifies me beyond what any "demons" could ever present.

All I really want... is to take a crap........... alone.

Thank you.


No, thank you. Just to show my appreciation for you sharing, please read again.

And it's "Nobody...loves no one." --Chris Isaak

Damn you, Archie Bunker...
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#8364 - 05/03/08 06:08 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Yes, the teachings are based on ONA, but we eat the meat and spit out the bones. If one takes everything one reads verbatim, then there's no real learning involved. Just like most don't take the Satanic Bible in the ear all the way.

I just thought it to be humorous that a few white supremacists worship entities that certainly had more skin pigmentation than they do. Not downing our friends at JoS totally.

I can't speak for all Theists on the Creator theory, just for myself.

We're not forcing anything on anyone, and it isn't "Blood in, blood out" either. Our practices only support pre-existing beliefs that prospective members may have.

I'm not going to get into a theological debate as whether or not a deity/deities exist. It's a belief that I don't want to get into a pissing contest over.
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#8365 - 05/03/08 06:23 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinistar]
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I just thought it to be humorous that a few white supremacists worship entities that certainly had more skin pigmentation than they do.


So are you saying that Set is of a certain ethnicity?

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#8366 - 05/03/08 06:30 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Oh, I see. I looked at your post again and saw you did mean ToS and not JoS. Set is not, but all the Demons that JoS/Maxine named are pretty ethnic. Some are Caucasian and others are described as having almost Mediterranean features.

Okay, now I'm calling the NAACP because there's no Asian Demons...
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#8367 - 05/03/08 11:00 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinistar]
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Asian Demons?
Just give TSB a read, particularly the Infernal Names.
Emma-O is the Japanese ruler of Hell (according to LaVey), so he/she must naturally have quite an Asian complexion.

This must be an uncomfortable fact for any LaVey-admiring White Supremacists out there... \:D

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#8372 - 05/03/08 02:58 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl


PS I didn't know that the TOS was nazis, but the ONA sure has a few and where does

Zeph


Just to try and clarify the ONA and National Socialism - quote from an ONA MSS on National Socialism:

""To bring about Imperium requires the creation and establishment of and appropriate causal form(s)... The nature of Imperium obviously must enshrine the ethos of the West, and that ethos is National Socialism... In present society where almost all forms have been made into a commodity, occultists and "political revolutionaries" will rather gravitate towards a less controversial form, and in so doing will declare very convincing reasons why National Socialism is "wrong" or "unenlightened." The System has done its work very well on the people it subjugates - including those who believe themselves to be exponents of Heresy.

National Socialism is the only real Heresy left... it is a form that cannot be bought by the System, and thus the only option... it is the only form which frightens the System, and is thus the only form capable of achieving System Breakdown.""

The ONA doesn't embrace National Socialism in the same way that a skin head might embrace it. The objective of the ONA can be seen like this simple formula:

I = (O*PHv)

Whereas I is the End Objective and goal - Imperium;
O representing the ONA or Organization; and
PHv is the Political Heresy Variable.

It doesn't matter to the ONA what PHv it is using, so long as it has the potential to achieve "System Breakdown."

I think the PHv as of now which frightens the System is Extreme Islam... which "Anton Long" (Myatt) has embraced.

Personally I don't agree with the ONA's using National Socialism as its PHv. Its an old form, which has lost vitality. I personally don't agree with this equation, because I don't believe breaking the system down would be necessary to achieve "Imperium."

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#8376 - 05/03/08 04:15 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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The response is to everyone in general.....

Actually, the socialist & nazis are all over the place in various "satanic type groups". If you think "your group" doesnt have them your wrong. I posted stuff about myatt and the ona months ago on this site. Its old news.

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"Yes, the teachings are based on ONA, but we eat the meat and spit out the bones. If one takes everything one reads verbatim, then there's no real learning involved. Just like most don't take the Satanic Bible in the ear all the way."

DUDE, THATS ONLY WHAT MOST PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, INCLUDING MYSELF AND FIST, AND THE REST HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS......

Shit, some young blonde with titties you never met tells you shit and you believe it. Your better off with Diane's theist meeting in nyc, at least she is who she says she is.

Asian Demons, dude do some research, go to the library, go to barnes and noble, google them. Hell, they have a bunch, and cool woodcut images too.

I thought you were smarter than this.....

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#8389 - 05/05/08 12:42 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Morgan]
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Yes, I know about Asian Demons, especially in TSB. I just meant that the Joy of Satan didn't name any.

That wasn't to everybody in general, maybe the first part.

I'm happily married, thank you very much and I've been around the block. I wish that I didn't have to get personal, and I wish you didn't either.
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#8396 - 05/05/08 02:23 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinistar]
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Fuck the "Satanic Bible" - TSB - such bullshit. Acronyms only work for Great shit, and the Satanic Bible definitely doesn't make the cut. Lame ass - borrowed, copied verbatim, vandalized... I think I'll write a math book now, and call it the "Mathematician's Bible", hell, it might sell. Even if I rape and pillage any formula that has already existed for hundreds of years. Fuck 'em.

LaVey and his three "books" just about make me sick these days, not because of the horribly written books, but maybe because of this "place".

Bleah, Bleah, Bleaaahhhhh............

In the immortal words of "Soulja Boy" - "Yah, Bitch, Yaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh" (I'm starting to like "rap" now.)

"Asian demons" - what the fuck.?>>>????!??
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