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#8407 - 05/05/08 02:37 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: daevid777]
Xaulamyn Offline
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The ancient Egyptian deity Set is of no ethnicity. Set is the deity of foreigners, He is the perpetual "other." The different one, the outsider, the one without a tribe - the one who transcends all likeness and has Become all that is different. Set is simply Set. It goes in line with the Set animal, which represents Him as an animal of which does not exist, of which is unique, and totally non-natural. He cares nothing for ethnicity nor tradition, and is the deity of everyone and no one. That's why they tried to destroy Him, revile Him so dearly, and have recast Him in the image of the Hebrew Satan.

He is the ultimate outcast.

Furthermore, the Temple of Set is not a "Nazi" organization, nor do I know of any "Nazis" within the Temple of Set. Such an accusation has been thoroughly debunked time and time again, explained over and over again, and finally just given up on because ignorant people will believe whatever they want to believe and project whatever fears and suspicions they want on clandestine organizations that they don't understand. I'll leave such people to their own soothing myths and entertainments if that's what they so desire, but those who know better simply chuckle at such nonsense.

Each member of the Temple of Set decides their own politics, and the Temple of Set itself as an organization neither endorses their politics nor abhors it.

It's rather stupid to speculate that the Temple of Set is "Nazi" in any sense of the word being as how the membership is composed of blacks, people of Jewish background, homosexuals, and everyone else you can possibly think of.

The Temple of Set is an institution of the "non-natural" mind, and skin color and blood is about as worthless as worthless can get in terms of the spiritual goal of the Temple of Set, once you get right down to it. But again, any Setian can have whatever opinion or belief that he/she wants, so long as it does not harm any other Setian or infringe upon any other Setian. Each individual within the Temple of Set, is MORE IMPORTANT than the Temple of Set.

Moreover, there is no dogma, except the dogma of there being no dogma.

It's true that the Temple of Set reading list has books of which scare the common masses, that the Temple of Set and its Orders, and its members explore things such as the Third Reich, Nazi occultism, and other things just in general, but there is a difference between being a scholar, chewing meat and spitting out bones, and being a "Nazi."

As a personal testimony - just because I like some of the achievements of say Nazi aesthetics does not make me a Nazi. It's rather Orwellian to convict me of racism, Holocaust, war crimes, crimes against humanity, thought-crimes, and just basically label me an "unperson" just because I think Hitler was a good painter, or some other such thing. Since when did Satanists wear Goodguy Badges? Never forget there's nothing more radical, more controversial, and more dangerous than being a Satanist. Nazis are pale in comparison and can't even stand within the shadow of a Satanist.

I'll discuss the Joy of Satan later and in the relevant forum spot.

Anyway, Anton LaVey did not "plagiarize" TSB, he did not claim to be the sole author, nor even an author for that matter, but rather TSB was a synthesis and compilation of some of the best components out there into a superior crucible. LaVey was the alchemist, and his experiment resulted in gold. Originally, TSB had the name in it of everyone he drew from to pen that book, but those pages were deleted, and not through any fault of his own.

LaVey had his flaws and he had his transgressions, especially post-1975, but one thing I defend him on is the integrity and value of TSB, despite some things I find it lacking in. But, more importantly - as a writer I understand how things work. I know what plagiarism is and what is not, and TSB isn't plagiarism. The books of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism and the rest have far more plagiarism than LaVey could ever be possible of orchestrating.

"A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race—and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin." - Ayn Rand



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#8408 - 05/05/08 05:01 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: daevid777]
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"LaVey and his three "books" just about make me sick these days, not because of the horribly written books, but maybe because of this "place"."

Maybe you are just tired of people/newbies taking it word for word like the christian bible..

well, I like the soulja boy mix that travis from blink 182 did.

Asian demons, its a cultural thing....
I like the octopus porn woodcuts myself.....
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Dude, come on........
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#8455 - 05/07/08 12:35 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Morgan]
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I LOVE Octopus pornography, so many possibilities...

Got any good woodcuts?
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#8481 - 05/07/08 07:16 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: daevid777]
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I have some in my books at home.
Ever see the real life video shoot that was done with the oct & some chick?

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#8501 - 05/08/08 05:12 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Morgan]
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Never... and now I'm totally interested... see what kind of pervert into which you can turn people?

You're soooooo baaaddd.
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#8576 - 05/09/08 11:31 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Xaulamyn]
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I was actually referring to our "friends" at the Joy of Satan Ministries, not the Temple of Set. Maybe I should stop typing in "ToS" and "JoS" to clear things up.

How unfortunate that you had to come up with a long drawn out explanation of what the Temple of Set is. I suppose you'd like to jump on the proverbial bandwagon as well.
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#8860 - 05/20/08 09:30 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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It doesn't matter to the ONA what PHv it is using, so long as it has the potential to achieve "System Breakdown."

I think the PHv as of now which frightens the System is Extreme Islam... which "Anton Long" (Myatt) has embraced.

Personally I don't agree with the ONA's using National Socialism as its PHv. Its an old form, which has lost vitality. I personally don't agree with this equation, because I don't believe breaking the system down would be necessary to achieve "Imperium."


Ok, it looks like you kids are a little late to the party but I hear there is an awesome after party if you can find it.

I feel as though I sort of have myself to blame on this whole ONA shtick you kids have discovered. I am pretty sure the thought never occurred to you until I pointed you in the general direction.

All the same, I think you guys are on the right track but do you really know where this road leads? Have you really examined the life and times of David Myatt? Have you researched and examined the various fruits of his labor? Few would-be practitioners have the fortitude for this sort work. "The System" has a soft gelatinous interior but it is protected by 18 feet of armor plate.

Just as a true satanist is a 1 in 10000 sort of person, the methods of the ONA only lend themselves to an even more 'elite' (if I may use that term) group. Are you really up to this task or are you just playing games? Do you want to cross that line?
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#9037 - 05/26/08 05:48 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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WHAT I LIKE THE BEST ABOUT THE BOOK IS AFTER U READ IT AND THEN SMOKE A JOINT - YOU BECOME BLESSED - IN A WAY - I THINK HE PUT A SPELL ON THE BOOK ITSELF -
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#9038 - 05/26/08 06:20 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: SATANAS]
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Did you like the bit about when you are in someone's lair you should treat it with respect, because by instisting on using caps (which generally means online that you are YELLING), you are being very disrespectful to the people of this forum. That is why people are calling you out on it.

If you would show yourself to be even the most basically bit respectful, then I'm sure there are plenty that would be respectful back.

I personally didn't feel blessed after reading TSB. Actually I have only ever read a PDF version of it which I printed out myself and put into a cheap as chips folder. I hate reading things on the computer. I would have been lucky to have spent $5 on it all up.

Not only did I not think I was blessed, I also didn't think that I was elite, special, sudenly able to right all wrongs in the world or raise demons. I did however see that I wasn't the only person that was happy to not believe in God, but without being a Christian hater. Wanted to be the best version of myself that I could be and not fool myself into thinking I was something that I was not.

I've noticed of late, that there are many (generally theistic) Satanists, that like to think of themselves as better, more real or hardcore and seem to derive a feeling of superiority in saying that LaVeyans are all kidding themselves into thinking they are something they are not. I don't think this is actually the case. I think by doing this, they are showing themselves to be exactly what they accuse 'LaVeyans' of being.

Oh, also I don't actually consider myself a LaVeyan. I'm not sure what 'type' of Satanist I am. Maybe I'm not even one. Maybe I'm a pagan with Satanic tendencies, or a Satanist with Pantheistic subconsciousness. Or maybe even just a humanist.

I think that TSB is really only a jumping off point and that most people would relate to various parts of it. That is part of the cleverness of it. I had something for everyone, hints of theism, Atheism and spiritualism. It is very dated now after all, but still timeless in a way.

Tell me, how do you feel you were blessed by reading it?

Zeph
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#9040 - 05/26/08 06:27 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: SATANAS]
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ha well ain't you a treat. the all caps got annoying about the second word in. i advise you to write normal at least to the best of your ability, and make some sense/use some common sense ie think about what you write before you write it,

the 3 post i have seen you post so far,and in that crazy fucking caps non the less have no substance.now granted not every conversation or post needs substance but when you are new to board or meet some one new this is not the behavior you want to use in order to maintain a lasting presence on the board. so my advice to you is mellow out, read the boards for a while and see how things are done, or you will not last long here.
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#9042 - 05/26/08 06:57 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: rob_church]
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thanks for the advice - will take it seriously
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#9043 - 05/26/08 07:02 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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i didnt know the all caps thing was such a big deal - new here - i think i might have bitten off more than i can chew - will be more courtious and respectfull - some educated people on here - thanks for advice
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#9066 - 05/26/08 09:14 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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first of all - when i read the book - i got the impression that he put alot of effort into it - and from what i understand - he was a witch ( you can call him sorceror - wiccan - warlock - or whatever - its all well and good ) so i wouldnt put it past him to place some sort of spell on the book itself - for a satanist whos heart is in the right place to reep some of the benifets of what he was trying to offer - after i read it - for me - i felt something spiritual - almost like being blessed by the black pope himself - or it could have just been the joint i smoked - im not promoting the use of marijuana - but its a great spiritual tool for me forgive the spelling - and please dont ream me a new one
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#9090 - 05/27/08 07:04 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: SATANAS]
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 Originally Posted By: SATANAS
first of all - when i read the book - i got the impression that he put alot of effort into it


According to what we are told by people like Aquino, the book was composed in a rush and the bit from "Might is right" and the Enochian keys was added because they didn't have time to write more of there own stuff.

 Originally Posted By: SATANAS
- and from what i understand - he was a witch ( you can call him sorceror - wiccan - warlock - or whatever[/wuote]

According to LaVeys "The Satanic Witch" he viewed the word Witch as a exclusive feminine term and called male witches warlocks or magicians.

[quote=SATANAS]i wouldnt put it past him to place some sort of spell on the book itself


I don't think that kind of spells is part of LaVeys teori on magic. If you look on the rituals used in The Satanic Bible and The Satanic Witch, he is working with bioelectric energy, emotions and psychology to affect living people (*). If any kind of magic was used on The Satanic Bible it was Lesser magic, but I would agree that he definitely used this kind of psychological "magic" on the book like in choosing its name.

- Amina

(*) I am excluding The Satanic Rituals because of LaVeys differentiation between "rituals" and "ceremonies", rituals being focused on change and ceremonies the ones in TSR being focused on celebration what is.

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#9113 - 05/27/08 06:33 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Amina]
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didnt mean to say he was girlie - just used witch for lack of a better word - not as politicly correct as most people on here - cant spell for shit - does that make me less of a satanist ? - i didnt think so - just the wording in the book that he used - they seemed to me well thought out - like he was collecting this information for some great time
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