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#7162 - 04/04/08 04:35 AM The Satanic Bible
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OK. I'm taking advantage of the timezone I am in, to be the first to post in the Satanism 101 section.

The post I am going to start is one that I have been thinking about for a while now and think this is the perfect place to start it.

I would like to start a discussion, breaking down and discussing what we think of and maybe even extolling our favourite quotes, lines or parts of the book at the middle of modern Satanism itself.

What you like about it, what you hate about it. What you think is profound and what you think is just utter crap.

After all, EVERYONE that posts here should have read it and I for one am interested to see what people got out of it.

One of the things that I got out of it, that actually allowed me to change my thinking and improve my life was this thought/quote.

"The purpose of the ritual is to free the magician from thoughts that would consume him, were he to dwell upon them constantly."

Being an extremely emotional person, when I dwell on something, I loose sleep, appetite and focus on anything else. Reading this sentence allowed me to think about, how to shut down this compulsive and detremental behaviour.

The funniest part of that to me though, is that I have yet to need to actually ritualise this, as that breakthrough in thought, has been enough to snap me out of it in general when I start to feel overly intense emotional reactions from day to day occurances.

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#7163 - 04/04/08 04:53 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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The Satanic Bible is a great choice to start this thread. I was initially against it because I felt that everyone should've at least read TSB before even entering here but I've since changed my stance on that. Why the Hell not, right?

No matter what sort of Satanist that one considers himself/herself, TSB is a good book as an introduction. Even if you don't believe in the writings, LaVey does a great job of helping "deprogram" from our mostly Christian upbringings.

As far as TSB goes, I thought that LaVey started to become a bit overbearing starting in the Book of Lucifer and "Satanic Sex" went on longer than it should have. Discussing sex should've been more than interesting, but it became too preachy in presentation. I believe that he was just trying to cover everything such as defining masochism, but I felt like he overdid it a bit. I found the rest of it very informative since it was my first non-fiction book dealing with Satanism. That's just my humble opinion.


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#7165 - 04/04/08 07:35 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Good post.
I was considering making the first post here, but I'm glad to see this section off with a bang!

This prompted me to grab my Satanic Bible, so I'll be flipping through it to remind me of its strong and weak points:

Some favorite quotes:

"No hoary falsehood shall be a truth to me; no stifling dogma shall encramp my pen! I break away from all conventions that do not lead to my earthly success and happiness."
"He that is slow to believe anything and everything is of great understanding, for belief in one false principle is he beginning of all unwisdom."
(Nice bit of iconoclasm, though it doesn't exactly lend itself to belief in the occult aspects of TSB.)

"Praying for one's enemy is nothing more than bargain-basement anger, and of a decidedly shoddy and inferior quality!"
(Applies equally well to the Buddhist 'mettabhavana'. Why bullshit yourself that you care when you don't? Hypocritical self-deceit is the only outcome...)

I thought the section on 'Satanic Sex' was extemely insightful in places, especially considering it was written in the late '60s. Its criticism of the 'sexual revolution' (in which individuals who aren't keen on being promiscuous are seen as repressed or otherwise weird) is way ahead of its time.

The section on 'psychic vampires' is pretty useful - particularly its distinction between desperate love (which is selfish yet still give-and-take) and vampirism (pure parasitism).

And as for "Indulgence, not compulsion"... yes, a very wise idea indeed, but hardly a new concept. This idea is also central (albeit in a less overtly hedonistic sense) to Buddhism and Taoism, as well as classical Stoicism and Epicureanism.


Things not so good about TSB:
The occult dogma is likely to turn off many more rationally-minded readers (although there is also the option of ignoring this, or treating it as fiction, if faith is not on one's agenda).

The advice that "if a man smite you on one cheek, SMASH him on the other!; smite him hip and thigh, for self-preservation is the highest law!" is also likely to have the OPPOSITE effect of 'self-preservation' if a more physically powerful (or heavily armed) adversary is involved.
If a scrawny nerd were pushed about by a coked-up Tae Kwon Do black belt looking for a fight, throwing a punch would most likely be an incredibly foolish thing to do.
Then again (by social Darwinist standards, at least), this may be good advice to give, if the desired result is to make stupidity painful... \:D

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#7168 - 04/04/08 08:35 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Meq]
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The advice that "if a man smite you on one cheek, SMASH him on the other!; smite him hip and thigh, for self-preservation is the highest law!" is also likely to have the OPPOSITE effect of 'self-preservation' if a more physically powerful (or heavily armed) adversary is involved.
If a scrawny nerd were pushed about by a coked-up Tae Kwon Do black belt looking for a fight, throwing a punch would most likely be an incredibly foolish thing to do.
Then again (by social Darwinist standards, at least), this may be good advice to give, if the desired result is to make stupidity painful...


Ah yes but what if said weakling decided to smash him another way, say with an assult charge or something that he can do with his brain rather than his brawn. I have never thought of that as a literal translation anyway. That actually goes for the whole might is right thing to me. Might isn't neccesarily physical strength, especailly now in the information age. Might can just be mental might.

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#7219 - 04/04/08 11:39 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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"I dip my forefinger in the watery blood of you impotent, mad redeemer and write over his thorn torn brow: the TRUE prince of evil, King of slaves"

I'm quite aware that LaVey did not write this line but the power behind the statement is just awesome.
The Book of Lucifer in it's entirety didn't so much change my life as it reaffirmed the beliefs I had held dear all along.
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#7456 - 04/10/08 08:13 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I totaly agree, what you can't do with your muscles, do it with your brain. The whole mening isn't to make a physical reaction, but to repay the favour. I would say that a phsycological or economical attach would be more than enought to prove youself.
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#7988 - 04/19/08 07:26 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Simon]
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TSB P-40 (Wanted God, Dead Or Alive):

""It is a popular misconception that the Satanist does not believe in God...

To the Satanist "God" - by whatever name he is called, or by no name at all - is seen as the balancing factor in nature, and not as being concerned with suffering. This powerful force which permeates and balances the universe...""

Master Mason Lecture (Freemasonry; Hieroglyphic Emblems):

""It is the inspiration of that great Divinity whom we adore, and bears the nearest resemblance or affinity to that Supreme Intelligence which pervades all nature,...""



Wikipedia on Deism:

""Deism is a religious philosophy and movement that derives the existence and nature of God from reason and personal experience. (The mention of God in this article is meant more as a Creator than as the Abrahamic God) This is in contrast to fideism which is found in many forms of Christianity.[1] Islamic and Judaic teachings hold that religion relies on revelation in sacred scriptures or the testimony of other people as well as reasoning.
Deists typically reject supernatural events (prophecy, miracles) and tend to assert that God does not intervene with the affairs of human life and the natural laws of the universe. What organized religions see as divine revelation and holy books, most deists see as interpretations made by other humans, rather than as authoritative sources. Deists believe that God's greatest gift to humanity is not religion, but the ability to reason.""

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#7992 - 04/19/08 07:56 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Most Satanists do not accept Satan as
an anthropomorphic being with cloven
hooves,a barbed tail,
and horns
He merely represents a force of nature......
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#7993 - 04/19/08 09:38 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: frank]
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 Originally Posted By: frank
Most Satanists do not accept Satan as
an anthropomorphic being with cloven
hooves,a barbed tail,
and horns
He merely represents a force of nature......


This is true. He is exceptionally attractive. He does not take on the form they say. I know this to be true.

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#7998 - 04/19/08 11:05 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: PRO DOM]
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I agree, he's definately the hottest guy around.... XD

Hmm, if it permeates nature, then I think I want to learn a little more about father nature and less about god....sounds like nature is more mysterious and less concerned with human affairs...I like to be free, if god wishes to act upon us, then let him become us...or are we already there? No, not yet...some of us, are.

I have never read the Satanic Bible cover-to-cover, but what i did read was simply a cheap rehash of expensive ideas, and Lavey was quite a character. He took a grand leap in unveiling it in such a manner, and I applaud him for it.

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#8005 - 04/20/08 01:24 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: 97and107]
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Hmm, if it permeates nature, then I think I want to learn a little more about father nature


Its hard to learn about mother nature when we have our face buried in books, amongst other things *wink wink*; like religion, politics, other people's business, and the illusions and pageantry of everyday existence in this urban stage. Maybe if we quieted our minds, and focused our awareness and mindfulness on nature and its flow, you know.

I like the story of the Buddha, and how he found enlightenment.
He was born a prince of the Sakya Clan. When his mother was pregnant with him, an astrologist came to do his thing for the royal family. The astrologer said that the boy had two destinies - 1) that if he remained a prince, and inherited the throne, he would eventually rule the world; and two - if he saw the hardships of the world, he would run away and become a beggar.

His parents raised him within the walls of the royal palace. The king made sure that only beautiful young people were inside the walls; no elderly folks, no sick people; no nothing, just a pretend paradise. He married and had a son, and his parents thought for sure he was going to become King of the world.

Then one day a guard fell asleep somewhere, and an old man with a cane wondered in to look for the King to complain. The young Prince, having never seen anything like this old man thought he was a demon or something; curious, the prince went up to the old man and asked him what he had done to be cursed with such ugliness. The old man answered that it wasn't a curse, but that it was the fate of all men, to grow old and die...

The old man was killed; but the young Prince was already too curious to remain within the palace walls. One night he left his wife and son, and the throne behind, and climbed over the walls of his world and wondered outside.

Suddenly he saw reality for the first time - the peasants who toiled make the food that fed him, and the clothes that clothed him... the sick, and elderly, all the pain, and suffering.

So he began to wonder why all this was; and he went to ask the Brahmins about the mystery of life; but the answers did not satisfy him. He went from sect to sect, guru to guru, and was never satified. Defeated, he desided to leave for the forest to be alone to think on these things.

He sat beneath a Bo Tree, by a river to rest one day and stayed there to study nature. Then one day while he was looking at the river he saw it in a different way. He stepped inside it, and realized that the river was never the same river at any moment in time. That is sameness was an illusion. It was constantly in motion, ever changing... he sat back down to ponder on this seed thought. And after a long while became enlightened - Buddha.

After a while he had disciples, who sat around him to here him teach. One day 3 men came to ask him about the nature and reality of God.

The first came and asked the Buddha: "Teacher, does God exist?"
To which the Buddha replied: "Yes he does."

The second man came and asked: "Teacher, does God exist?"
And the Buddha said to him: "No, he doesn't."

The third man came and asked: "Teacher, does God exist?"
To which the Buddha answered with silence.

Now his disciples were confused and when the men left they asked him: "What are we to believe, if you gave three different men three different answers?"

The Buddha said to them: "Believe as you will, each according to their level of understanding. The first man believed in God, so I answered yes, to reaffirm his beliefs and state of understanding. The second man was an Atheist, so I answered no, to affirm his state of understanding. The third man did not need an answer because he had experience that which can only be experience and only profound silence can describe and affirm."

Kayla


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (04/20/08 01:28 AM)
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#8006 - 04/20/08 01:34 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Were these last four or five posts actually meant for the Men and Gods post. They appear to, to me and I just wondered.

They would at least be adding something to that discussion and I shall put a link between the two, for just this purpose.

Link to Gods and Men thread

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#8013 - 04/20/08 06:29 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
He sat beneath a Bo Tree, by a river to rest one day and stayed there to study nature. Then one day while he was looking at the river he saw it in a different way. He stepped inside it, and realized that the river was never the same river at any moment in time. That is sameness was an illusion. It was constantly in motion, ever changing... he sat back down to ponder on this seed thought. And after a long while became enlightened - Buddha.


Perhaps Buddha was familar with Classical Greek and Hellenistic ideas, such as the following from Heraclitus (which became central to Stoic philosophy):
"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."
"We step and do not step into the same river; we are and are not."

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#8014 - 04/20/08 10:43 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Meq]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
He sat beneath a Bo Tree, by a river to rest one day and stayed there to study nature. Then one day while he was looking at the river he saw it in a different way. He stepped inside it, and realized that the river was never the same river at any moment in time. That is sameness was an illusion. It was constantly in motion, ever changing... he sat back down to ponder on this seed thought. And after a long while became enlightened - Buddha.


Perhaps Buddha was familar with Classical Greek and Hellenistic ideas, such as the following from Heraclitus (which became central to Stoic philosophy):
"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."
"We step and do not step into the same river; we are and are not."


I believe you are more than right here Mequa. There is another thing very Hellenistic about the Buddha - his entire life story:

Remember Plato's allegory of the Cave? How a tribe lived in a cave and every evening they would see shadow people dancing on the walls of the cave. Thinking they were god the cave people worshiped them. Until one day a young man wondered out of the cave and into the forest?

It seems as though the cave and the palace symbolize the same thing.

Personally I don't believe a Buddha ever existed. This Buddhism emerged like Satanism did within a dominating religion: Hinduism.

There are statutes of Shiva looking like the buddha with the knotted hair, orange robe, and in a lotus asana, which dates thousands of years before the emergence of Buddhism in India.

It seems to me that Buddhism was in the beginning a reactionary religion to Hinduism; which is why it was suppressed in India, and ultimately was chased out of it...

Another thing which add credibility to your hypothesis is that there once was a Mystery Religion in Greece centered around Dionysus, called the Dionysian Artificers. They wore Orange Robes. Dio - meaning GOD, and Nysus - was the name of a mountain... Shiva is said to be lord of Mount Nysa, whose followers also wore organe.

Kayla


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (04/20/08 11:36 AM)
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#8087 - 04/22/08 12:00 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: PRO DOM]
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 Originally Posted By: PRO DOM
 Originally Posted By: frank
Most Satanists do not accept Satan as
an anthropomorphic being with cloven
hooves,a barbed tail,
and horns
He merely represents a force of nature......


This is true. He is exceptionally attractive. He does not take on the form they say. I know this to be true.


Me I never say what I believe in is the truth, cause quite frankly, there is no proof. Sure I believe in god and Satan's existence, I am a mixed up Satanist which most Leveyan's loath (because I follow a lot of what Levay says as well as other type of Satanic religions and rules, even some of the Atheistic Satanic religions I follow some what), I am not strictly Levayan as a matter of fact, that probably is the least of my Satanic belief. But I understand why folks would claim what they believe is true even without physical proof.

The Satanist (I assumed this forum was for ALL Satanists not just Levayan, am I right or wrong?) that actually believes in a being Satan or Lucifer has no proof of his existence just as EVERY christian in the world has no proof of god's existence, yet they as do I believe in their existence. Why? Doesn't that make me stupid for believing in something with no proof much less worshiping it? I would say yes and no. Yes because of lack of proof but no because of faith in your belief. So just because I believe my Satanic faith is true does not make it so, but don't take this reply as a knock at what you say is "true". If it's true to you why not?

Basically, I feel everyone who is a Satanist regardless of what type of Satanist should be welcomed in most if not all Satanic communities. Even though I am hated by certain Levayans because they say their Satanism is the only true Satanism, for which I don't accept as truth, I still accept their rights to have that belief. I would like the same acceptance, but most of them are too stubborn (almost christian like) to let others have their own beliefs. It doesn't matter if we believe the same way or worship the same way, so long as we acknowledge the fact we are Satanists. Of course lots of folks will probably disagree and that is cool. I just hope folks can remain cool about it and not be jerks like on myspace where the aforementioned Levayans that hate me are.


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#8183 - 04/26/08 01:56 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Deathlehem]
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The majority of the posters here consider themselves to be Modern/LaVeyan Satanists but they most likely won't knock you for your beliefs. Just be ready to back them up in case you happen to come under fire. I just so happen to walk the fine line between Modern and Theistic Satanism. My beliefs tend to be fluid, if you will. I began with The Satanic Bible like mostly everyone else here but felt the need to expand and read more on Satanism. I agree with LaVey on many aspects (Even if he does tend to be a bit preachy at times) and I feel that the Satanic Bible is a great first text to help deprogram much of the dogmas that are instilled within us.

I like to coin our brand of Satanism as "General Satanism". The belief in yourself, yet the worshipping of a deity. Knocking someone else because they're not the same type of Satanist as the rest of the herd is rather Christian-like. I don't really think that that is done here. They might call us insane if anything, but who cares? Satanism does not come solely from Anton LaVey.
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#8185 - 04/26/08 10:42 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinistar]
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Speaking just for myself, I don’t differentiate between a Theistic Satanist, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, and such. They all believe in some kind of boogie man hiding under their beds, the sky, under a rock what have you. To me one boogie man is just as foolish, as any other.
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#8186 - 04/26/08 12:35 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Asmedious]
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Would it make me foolish if I made the vitality that flows through my veins and animates my body the object of my devotion?

Would I be foolish to pay silent homage to the mystery of life and the mystery that lurks beneath the cosmos?

Would I be smart if I made a 5 sided box (one for each of my five senses) and said that only things that fit in it are real.

It probably depends on each individual "Theistic Satanist's" understandings of what he is idolizing. Perhaps there is a spectrum. On on side of the spectrum there is a devil in cloven hooves... on the other just a force which LaVey mentions in the first few paragraphs of the first Chapter of the Book of Lucifer.

Then there are some that don't fit into the spectrum, who fill in this idol-void with their own ego's, Anton LaVey, some Church, their occupation, their lover, drugs, political beliefs, gang colors, golf, Coka-Cola, Nike, basketball, the Cubs or Green Bay Packers... or whatever.

In either case the void is filled... the Idols are fashioned... you still look up... all still on their knees; by the side of that proverbial road less traveled... the journey stops.

There might not always be a boogie man under some of our beds; but there is always a Kaaba of Idols in our closet.

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#8188 - 04/26/08 01:52 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Would it make me foolish if I made the vitality that flows through my veins and animates my body the object of my devotion?


I think so, if you did that without at least attempting to understand how that "vitality" works. You know, oxyginated blood through arteries going away from the lungs to feed the cells, non oxyginated through veins going back to the heart, blah blah and so on.

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Would I be foolish to pay silent homage to the mystery of life and the mystery that lurks beneath the cosmos?


Yep, if you lit candles for it, and prayed to it, that would be pretty foolish I think, if you believed that the "mystery" gives a shit about it.

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Would I be smart if I made a 5 sided box (one for each of my five senses) and said that only things that fit in it are real.


Again, no. But it also wouldn't make you smart, if you gave the things outside those boxes a form of a living, thinking entity in your mind, without actually knowing that there is one or more out there, and worse yet, if you worshipped those things.
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#8200 - 04/26/08 11:39 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Asmedious]
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I consider myself as a "By-Polar-Satanic"also Artistic self-Satanic.I believe so much in my insainity,I always stay inside this world of dreams,inside my head.Practice makes perfection.If the dreams die,so do you.I am left-handed,but can write,eat,perform any task involving the rightous hand.I am left to right all the time.I preform my absract art,or any art with the lefthand path.Like Jimmi Hendrix,if I played guitar it would be left-handed with right-handed strings.

"Strictly By-polar"
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#8208 - 04/27/08 12:55 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Asmedious]
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I understand that there's a few Theists that might have left a bad taste in your mouth, oh person who named himself after the Angel of Destruction who is probably one and the same with Abaddon and other cool stuff. Not all of us worship as you have stated, but merely acknowledge possibilities.

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#8254 - 04/28/08 07:15 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinistar]
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i think for the most part we all get along.

no one really cares as long as people dont go preaching about why theists is better than trads or modern.

then again, how do you differ between trads and theists?
does it include following yesdizs or anti-xitan bible?

just to be clear

then if it changes to include rites avec demons and such...

you just might be a chaosist and not a satanist.

chaos mages do and use whatever they want in regards to picking pieces from this religious or that religion/belief to make things work or to make things make sense.
You may have a center of ideas/beliefs, but other stuff is changable depending on the situation.

thats what I do.

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#8288 - 04/30/08 12:46 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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As far as I know being Bi-Polar has nothing to do with Satanism.. Hence rendering the phrase "Bi-polar Satanist" Ridiculous and meaningless. Perhaps I'm wrong? If so please correct me..



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#8308 - 04/30/08 11:46 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: PigFeeder]
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No I will not correct because I think we as humanity are left to right,right to left,to and fro in this earth.
We sometimes can't get a grip and there for
every bit of human instinct Is by-polar in some shape,form,fahion.You find my speech meaningless
that's O.K.I think you look ridiculous in that wannabee Manson suit.Are you scaring humanity or yourself when you wake up.
Sorry,I agree with morgan,can't take it,get out of hells kitchen.
Grow up and dress like you want impress and conquer,not attract attention always to yourself.I far as I see,well nothing,A meaning-less suit,which does nothing to scare those who see through the skin.You might think I use things as a crux,well so does everybody-either drugs,sex,I had a bad-childhood or some excuse.What is yours?I am willing to come out of closet
bold,proud,etc.You seem to want to stay in one.I represent my-self.Isnt' that what is all about yes or no.
I do not mind make-up at all,in fact mine is a fleshwound.
Evry step towards living free and Indulging,Just like you brother.Why so gloom.Nobody can be that depressed all the time.
I love make-up.On occasion.In fact the true Satanist does not need anything to draw attention,If you studied your magick
you would know it's already there,and most of the church itself
does not look like manson,It's good publicity stunts though.


"I love the debate."
Me,A human with a crutch.....

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#8312 - 05/01/08 12:12 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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I think I like this guy too... A bit hard top read but there is a lesson there...

~T~
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#8334 - 05/01/08 08:23 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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"You might think I use things as a crux,well so does everybody-either drugs,sex,I had a bad-childhood or some excuse.What is yours?I am willing to come out of closet
bold,proud,etc.You seem to want to stay in one.I represent my-self.Isnt' that what is all about yes or no."

Yes, be strong enough to know who you are. Don't follow blindly anyone. Look, and learn for yourself.

Anyone who says they have all the answers, DOESN'T.

"In fact the true Satanist does not need anything to draw attention,If you studied your magick
you would know it's already there,and most of the church itself
does not look like manson,It's good publicity stunts though."

Yes.................


Morg


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#8340 - 05/02/08 06:13 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Morgan]
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Yes, we get along for the most part, that's true.

Octavius mindfucked me. He stated that those who worship a deity named Satan aren't Satanists, but Heretical Christians which I begrudgingly have to concede. He couldn't even buy me dinner before the mindfuck. Great, now I'm going through an identity crisis...

Pre-Octavius, I considered myself as one who worships Satan as a deity and believes Satan to be the dark force in nature at the same time. If that is at all possible.

And no, I don't believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.


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#8341 - 05/02/08 06:35 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinistar]
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 Originally Posted By: Sinistar

Pre-Octavius, I considered myself as one who worships Satan as a deity and believes Satan to be the dark force in nature at the same time. If that is at all possible.

And no, I don't believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.


I share your sentiments regarding Satan to an extent, but am disappointed at your disregard for Santa Claus. ;\)

I believe Satan to be a force of nature. Not necessarily a dark force, but a balancing force trying to keep humanity from straying from its roots. Typically I won't equate Satan with either dark or light. To me, that's relative and varies from person to person.

That being said, if I do come to the realization that there is an actual deity I will accept him as my close and dear friend. ;\)

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#8345 - 05/02/08 06:34 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: SatanicCSG]
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Dude, you are only mindfucked if you allow yourself to be.
As long as you understand who you are, and what you believe, you aren't mindfucked.

what it does show is that you have to take time to fully think about your ideas, and beliefs and come to terms with them.

So what, you worship him as deity.
Whatever makes you happy.
I've used the names of various other dieties during some of my rites. Inorder to get the right headset, and mental dynamics.

Inregards to heritical Xitian stuff, that would be acknowledging that jesus and god exist, etc... If thats the case, when I die, those 2 motherfuckers have a severe beat down coming....

Morg

btw, we should meet up since we live about a half hour away from each other.
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#8348 - 05/02/08 07:46 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Dude, you are only mindfucked if you allow yourself to be.


You're wrong. It is Octavius's fault. Personally, I wouldn't trust him any further than I could throw him.
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#8350 - 05/02/08 09:13 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: School Bully]
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Ahh, come on I thought you were big and strong...


Morg

btw, you are right in a way, especially if you don't realize that you are being manipulated and mindfucked. Kinda oblivilous, and not wanting to see the big picture of what stupid shit you walked right into.
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#8351 - 05/02/08 09:14 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: School Bully]
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Far be it from me to build fences, but let's take a quick look at this...

Satan, is commonly known as an Archangel of the Abrahamic Lord who went against the Throne. For this indiscretion, he, and a third of heaven's angels, were cast into Hell. The entire legend of Satan/Lucifer is an Abrahamic construction based on Abrahamic faith/tradition. If you believe that this is indeed a fact, then you must acknowledge the existence of the Abrahamic God. If you have faith in the actual existence of either of these figures, you are most certainly a THEIST. Perhaps "Heretical Christian" is a bit broad, but I don't see how you can worship Satan as a deity without also having faith in the rest of Abrahamic tradition.

Please, I am more than willing to listen to other possibilities or interpretations... however, I still stand by the assertion that if you worship Satan/Lucifer as an actual deity, then you are logically a heretic within the Abrahamic tradition. This is not meant to be a semantics debate, nor do I wish to put anyone into proverbial cages, but I see a clear difference between a Satanist and a Satan Worshiper. One reveres an archetype...the other kneels in subservience to something bigger than themselves.

I openly, without hostility, invite all theists here to enlighten me regarding other explanations.

With respect,
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#8353 - 05/03/08 12:15 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Octavius]
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Oh Octavius,

You dangerous mind-fucker, you... my ear is still bleeding. Go easy on these new ones.
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#8357 - 05/03/08 04:42 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Octavius]
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Though no one would like to admit it, Satanism, in general, is a reactionary religion unless you're one of those Nazis that worship Egyptian Gods which "predates Christianity". Satan means Adversary in Hebrew, yes we know that. We need the supposed protagonist before an antagonist exists.

To even use the word "heretical" suggests an attachment to the dogmas of Christianity. I must say that I did like that term. If we go back even further, Theists could even be considered "Heretical Jews".

I worship Satan the deity because He's closer to mankind when it comes to attributes. He's vain and he's proud. Two big attributes that Theists and Moderns alike share. Maybe I could be likened to the Yezidi tribe of Iraq, whereas there is Yahweh, the Creator. Then there's Melek Taus (Church Lady: "Satan?") who is closer to mankind and considered to be the Muse of Civilization and the God of this World.


I understand that seeing is believing for some of you. For us Theists, we feel that there's more out there than what we see in the mirror.

As far as everyone making disparaging remarks about 352: Modern Satanism conveys individuality and vital existence. We believe that no man is an island. It is in man's nature to be part of something, is it not? If it wasn't no one would be here sharing conversation and ideas, etc. We believe in pooling all our resources together to attempt to further ourselves and our beliefs in Satanism. It might sound like an oxymoron, but a collective of free-thinkers achieving common goals. You could even say that we sound Communist, but we're definitely not into mind control and KGB.
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#8358 - 05/03/08 05:09 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinistar]
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We need the supposed protagonist before an antagonist exists.


(I guess it actually can be done, Ta2zz, responding to something without actually responding to the entire thread... please help them.)

Well, Sinistar, you're still "re-acting" to "something". You just said it.

(I'll do it again, 'cause it makes me happy...)

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Theists could even be considered "Heretical Jews".


Yes, indeed, young apprentice, now you're getting the "gist". Perhaps it should be called "Heretical Judeo-Christian" - so sorry if anyone felt left out.

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We believe that no man is an island. It is in man's nature to be part of something, is it not?


We? We?

Was it Groucho Marx, or Woody Allen that once said "I would never be part of a group that accepted me as a member."? (I have to give credit to my wife for pointing this little fact out.)

Everyone is alone.

I think I have to repeat this, so I will, perhaps differently...

We are alone. That is, each person on this planet exists "alone".

How about "Nobody, knows no-one" - for you Chris Isaak fans.

When you walk down the street, when you go to sleep, when you brush your teeth -

When you wipe your ass, when you go to class, when you think of the past -

When you die.

I would hate to live in a world that involved a bunch of strangers when I decided to take a dump. That horrifies me beyond what any "demons" could ever present.

All I really want... is to take a crap........... alone.

Thank you.
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#8362 - 05/03/08 05:49 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: daevid777]
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I understand that seeing is believing for some of you. For us Theists, we feel that there's more out there than what we see in the mirror.


So do I Sinistar, but I don't beleive that just because there is more out there than I can see in the mirror, that there is a God of any kind.

I guess where I am interested in why theists beleive in a 'all powerful being' is that I just don't beleive in a creator at all.

I mean, yes the mystery of life and the life force is one we all wonder at, but I haven't seen anything in life that might make me believe in a creator of that force. Don't theists by definition believe in a creator?

Also I disagree about your statement saying that the WSA doesn't teach mind control. I've read a thread quite to the contrary on the site. They might not be very successful at it, but they do try to do it. What do you think memes are, if not a type of viral mind control, or influence?

PS I didn't know that the TOS was nazis, but the ONA sure has a few and where does most of WSA writings come from Sin?

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#8363 - 05/03/08 05:51 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: daevid777]
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 Originally Posted By: daevid777
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We need the supposed protagonist before an antagonist exists.


(I guess it actually can be done, Ta2zz, responding to something without actually responding to the entire thread... please help them.)

Well, Sinistar, you're still "re-acting" to "something". You just said it.

(I'll do it again, 'cause it makes me happy...)

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Theists could even be considered "Heretical Jews".


Yes, indeed, young apprentice, now you're getting the "gist". Perhaps it should be called "Heretical Judeo-Christian" - so sorry if anyone felt left out.

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We believe that no man is an island. It is in man's nature to be part of something, is it not?


We? We?

Was it Groucho Marx, or Woody Allen that once said "I would never be part of a group that accepted me as a member."? (I have to give credit to my wife for pointing this little fact out.)

Everyone is alone.

I think I have to repeat this, so I will, perhaps differently...

We are alone. That is, each person on this planet exists "alone".

How about "Nobody, knows no-one" - for you Chris Isaak fans.

When you walk down the street, when you go to sleep, when you brush your teeth -

When you wipe your ass, when you go to class, when you think of the past -

When you die.

I would hate to live in a world that involved a bunch of strangers when I decided to take a dump. That horrifies me beyond what any "demons" could ever present.

All I really want... is to take a crap........... alone.

Thank you.


No, thank you. Just to show my appreciation for you sharing, please read again.

And it's "Nobody...loves no one." --Chris Isaak

Damn you, Archie Bunker...
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#8364 - 05/03/08 06:08 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Yes, the teachings are based on ONA, but we eat the meat and spit out the bones. If one takes everything one reads verbatim, then there's no real learning involved. Just like most don't take the Satanic Bible in the ear all the way.

I just thought it to be humorous that a few white supremacists worship entities that certainly had more skin pigmentation than they do. Not downing our friends at JoS totally.

I can't speak for all Theists on the Creator theory, just for myself.

We're not forcing anything on anyone, and it isn't "Blood in, blood out" either. Our practices only support pre-existing beliefs that prospective members may have.

I'm not going to get into a theological debate as whether or not a deity/deities exist. It's a belief that I don't want to get into a pissing contest over.
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#8365 - 05/03/08 06:23 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinistar]
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I just thought it to be humorous that a few white supremacists worship entities that certainly had more skin pigmentation than they do.


So are you saying that Set is of a certain ethnicity?

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#8366 - 05/03/08 06:30 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Oh, I see. I looked at your post again and saw you did mean ToS and not JoS. Set is not, but all the Demons that JoS/Maxine named are pretty ethnic. Some are Caucasian and others are described as having almost Mediterranean features.

Okay, now I'm calling the NAACP because there's no Asian Demons...
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#8367 - 05/03/08 11:00 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinistar]
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Asian Demons?
Just give TSB a read, particularly the Infernal Names.
Emma-O is the Japanese ruler of Hell (according to LaVey), so he/she must naturally have quite an Asian complexion.

This must be an uncomfortable fact for any LaVey-admiring White Supremacists out there... \:D

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#8372 - 05/03/08 02:58 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl


PS I didn't know that the TOS was nazis, but the ONA sure has a few and where does

Zeph


Just to try and clarify the ONA and National Socialism - quote from an ONA MSS on National Socialism:

""To bring about Imperium requires the creation and establishment of and appropriate causal form(s)... The nature of Imperium obviously must enshrine the ethos of the West, and that ethos is National Socialism... In present society where almost all forms have been made into a commodity, occultists and "political revolutionaries" will rather gravitate towards a less controversial form, and in so doing will declare very convincing reasons why National Socialism is "wrong" or "unenlightened." The System has done its work very well on the people it subjugates - including those who believe themselves to be exponents of Heresy.

National Socialism is the only real Heresy left... it is a form that cannot be bought by the System, and thus the only option... it is the only form which frightens the System, and is thus the only form capable of achieving System Breakdown.""

The ONA doesn't embrace National Socialism in the same way that a skin head might embrace it. The objective of the ONA can be seen like this simple formula:

I = (O*PHv)

Whereas I is the End Objective and goal - Imperium;
O representing the ONA or Organization; and
PHv is the Political Heresy Variable.

It doesn't matter to the ONA what PHv it is using, so long as it has the potential to achieve "System Breakdown."

I think the PHv as of now which frightens the System is Extreme Islam... which "Anton Long" (Myatt) has embraced.

Personally I don't agree with the ONA's using National Socialism as its PHv. Its an old form, which has lost vitality. I personally don't agree with this equation, because I don't believe breaking the system down would be necessary to achieve "Imperium."

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#8376 - 05/03/08 04:15 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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The response is to everyone in general.....

Actually, the socialist & nazis are all over the place in various "satanic type groups". If you think "your group" doesnt have them your wrong. I posted stuff about myatt and the ona months ago on this site. Its old news.

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"Yes, the teachings are based on ONA, but we eat the meat and spit out the bones. If one takes everything one reads verbatim, then there's no real learning involved. Just like most don't take the Satanic Bible in the ear all the way."

DUDE, THATS ONLY WHAT MOST PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, INCLUDING MYSELF AND FIST, AND THE REST HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS......

Shit, some young blonde with titties you never met tells you shit and you believe it. Your better off with Diane's theist meeting in nyc, at least she is who she says she is.

Asian Demons, dude do some research, go to the library, go to barnes and noble, google them. Hell, they have a bunch, and cool woodcut images too.

I thought you were smarter than this.....

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#8389 - 05/05/08 12:42 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Morgan]
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Yes, I know about Asian Demons, especially in TSB. I just meant that the Joy of Satan didn't name any.

That wasn't to everybody in general, maybe the first part.

I'm happily married, thank you very much and I've been around the block. I wish that I didn't have to get personal, and I wish you didn't either.
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#8396 - 05/05/08 02:23 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinistar]
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Fuck the "Satanic Bible" - TSB - such bullshit. Acronyms only work for Great shit, and the Satanic Bible definitely doesn't make the cut. Lame ass - borrowed, copied verbatim, vandalized... I think I'll write a math book now, and call it the "Mathematician's Bible", hell, it might sell. Even if I rape and pillage any formula that has already existed for hundreds of years. Fuck 'em.

LaVey and his three "books" just about make me sick these days, not because of the horribly written books, but maybe because of this "place".

Bleah, Bleah, Bleaaahhhhh............

In the immortal words of "Soulja Boy" - "Yah, Bitch, Yaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh" (I'm starting to like "rap" now.)

"Asian demons" - what the fuck.?>>>????!??
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#8407 - 05/05/08 02:37 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: daevid777]
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The ancient Egyptian deity Set is of no ethnicity. Set is the deity of foreigners, He is the perpetual "other." The different one, the outsider, the one without a tribe - the one who transcends all likeness and has Become all that is different. Set is simply Set. It goes in line with the Set animal, which represents Him as an animal of which does not exist, of which is unique, and totally non-natural. He cares nothing for ethnicity nor tradition, and is the deity of everyone and no one. That's why they tried to destroy Him, revile Him so dearly, and have recast Him in the image of the Hebrew Satan.

He is the ultimate outcast.

Furthermore, the Temple of Set is not a "Nazi" organization, nor do I know of any "Nazis" within the Temple of Set. Such an accusation has been thoroughly debunked time and time again, explained over and over again, and finally just given up on because ignorant people will believe whatever they want to believe and project whatever fears and suspicions they want on clandestine organizations that they don't understand. I'll leave such people to their own soothing myths and entertainments if that's what they so desire, but those who know better simply chuckle at such nonsense.

Each member of the Temple of Set decides their own politics, and the Temple of Set itself as an organization neither endorses their politics nor abhors it.

It's rather stupid to speculate that the Temple of Set is "Nazi" in any sense of the word being as how the membership is composed of blacks, people of Jewish background, homosexuals, and everyone else you can possibly think of.

The Temple of Set is an institution of the "non-natural" mind, and skin color and blood is about as worthless as worthless can get in terms of the spiritual goal of the Temple of Set, once you get right down to it. But again, any Setian can have whatever opinion or belief that he/she wants, so long as it does not harm any other Setian or infringe upon any other Setian. Each individual within the Temple of Set, is MORE IMPORTANT than the Temple of Set.

Moreover, there is no dogma, except the dogma of there being no dogma.

It's true that the Temple of Set reading list has books of which scare the common masses, that the Temple of Set and its Orders, and its members explore things such as the Third Reich, Nazi occultism, and other things just in general, but there is a difference between being a scholar, chewing meat and spitting out bones, and being a "Nazi."

As a personal testimony - just because I like some of the achievements of say Nazi aesthetics does not make me a Nazi. It's rather Orwellian to convict me of racism, Holocaust, war crimes, crimes against humanity, thought-crimes, and just basically label me an "unperson" just because I think Hitler was a good painter, or some other such thing. Since when did Satanists wear Goodguy Badges? Never forget there's nothing more radical, more controversial, and more dangerous than being a Satanist. Nazis are pale in comparison and can't even stand within the shadow of a Satanist.

I'll discuss the Joy of Satan later and in the relevant forum spot.

Anyway, Anton LaVey did not "plagiarize" TSB, he did not claim to be the sole author, nor even an author for that matter, but rather TSB was a synthesis and compilation of some of the best components out there into a superior crucible. LaVey was the alchemist, and his experiment resulted in gold. Originally, TSB had the name in it of everyone he drew from to pen that book, but those pages were deleted, and not through any fault of his own.

LaVey had his flaws and he had his transgressions, especially post-1975, but one thing I defend him on is the integrity and value of TSB, despite some things I find it lacking in. But, more importantly - as a writer I understand how things work. I know what plagiarism is and what is not, and TSB isn't plagiarism. The books of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism and the rest have far more plagiarism than LaVey could ever be possible of orchestrating.

"A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race—and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin." - Ayn Rand



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#8408 - 05/05/08 05:01 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: daevid777]
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"LaVey and his three "books" just about make me sick these days, not because of the horribly written books, but maybe because of this "place"."

Maybe you are just tired of people/newbies taking it word for word like the christian bible..

well, I like the soulja boy mix that travis from blink 182 did.

Asian demons, its a cultural thing....
I like the octopus porn woodcuts myself.....
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Dude, come on........
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#8455 - 05/07/08 12:35 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Morgan]
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I LOVE Octopus pornography, so many possibilities...

Got any good woodcuts?
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#8481 - 05/07/08 07:16 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: daevid777]
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I have some in my books at home.
Ever see the real life video shoot that was done with the oct & some chick?

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#8501 - 05/08/08 05:12 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Morgan]
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Never... and now I'm totally interested... see what kind of pervert into which you can turn people?

You're soooooo baaaddd.
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#8576 - 05/09/08 11:31 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Xaulamyn]
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I was actually referring to our "friends" at the Joy of Satan Ministries, not the Temple of Set. Maybe I should stop typing in "ToS" and "JoS" to clear things up.

How unfortunate that you had to come up with a long drawn out explanation of what the Temple of Set is. I suppose you'd like to jump on the proverbial bandwagon as well.
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#8860 - 05/20/08 09:30 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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It doesn't matter to the ONA what PHv it is using, so long as it has the potential to achieve "System Breakdown."

I think the PHv as of now which frightens the System is Extreme Islam... which "Anton Long" (Myatt) has embraced.

Personally I don't agree with the ONA's using National Socialism as its PHv. Its an old form, which has lost vitality. I personally don't agree with this equation, because I don't believe breaking the system down would be necessary to achieve "Imperium."


Ok, it looks like you kids are a little late to the party but I hear there is an awesome after party if you can find it.

I feel as though I sort of have myself to blame on this whole ONA shtick you kids have discovered. I am pretty sure the thought never occurred to you until I pointed you in the general direction.

All the same, I think you guys are on the right track but do you really know where this road leads? Have you really examined the life and times of David Myatt? Have you researched and examined the various fruits of his labor? Few would-be practitioners have the fortitude for this sort work. "The System" has a soft gelatinous interior but it is protected by 18 feet of armor plate.

Just as a true satanist is a 1 in 10000 sort of person, the methods of the ONA only lend themselves to an even more 'elite' (if I may use that term) group. Are you really up to this task or are you just playing games? Do you want to cross that line?
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#9037 - 05/26/08 05:48 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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WHAT I LIKE THE BEST ABOUT THE BOOK IS AFTER U READ IT AND THEN SMOKE A JOINT - YOU BECOME BLESSED - IN A WAY - I THINK HE PUT A SPELL ON THE BOOK ITSELF -
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#9038 - 05/26/08 06:20 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: SATANAS]
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Did you like the bit about when you are in someone's lair you should treat it with respect, because by instisting on using caps (which generally means online that you are YELLING), you are being very disrespectful to the people of this forum. That is why people are calling you out on it.

If you would show yourself to be even the most basically bit respectful, then I'm sure there are plenty that would be respectful back.

I personally didn't feel blessed after reading TSB. Actually I have only ever read a PDF version of it which I printed out myself and put into a cheap as chips folder. I hate reading things on the computer. I would have been lucky to have spent $5 on it all up.

Not only did I not think I was blessed, I also didn't think that I was elite, special, sudenly able to right all wrongs in the world or raise demons. I did however see that I wasn't the only person that was happy to not believe in God, but without being a Christian hater. Wanted to be the best version of myself that I could be and not fool myself into thinking I was something that I was not.

I've noticed of late, that there are many (generally theistic) Satanists, that like to think of themselves as better, more real or hardcore and seem to derive a feeling of superiority in saying that LaVeyans are all kidding themselves into thinking they are something they are not. I don't think this is actually the case. I think by doing this, they are showing themselves to be exactly what they accuse 'LaVeyans' of being.

Oh, also I don't actually consider myself a LaVeyan. I'm not sure what 'type' of Satanist I am. Maybe I'm not even one. Maybe I'm a pagan with Satanic tendencies, or a Satanist with Pantheistic subconsciousness. Or maybe even just a humanist.

I think that TSB is really only a jumping off point and that most people would relate to various parts of it. That is part of the cleverness of it. I had something for everyone, hints of theism, Atheism and spiritualism. It is very dated now after all, but still timeless in a way.

Tell me, how do you feel you were blessed by reading it?

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#9040 - 05/26/08 06:27 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: SATANAS]
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ha well ain't you a treat. the all caps got annoying about the second word in. i advise you to write normal at least to the best of your ability, and make some sense/use some common sense ie think about what you write before you write it,

the 3 post i have seen you post so far,and in that crazy fucking caps non the less have no substance.now granted not every conversation or post needs substance but when you are new to board or meet some one new this is not the behavior you want to use in order to maintain a lasting presence on the board. so my advice to you is mellow out, read the boards for a while and see how things are done, or you will not last long here.
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#9042 - 05/26/08 06:57 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: rob_church]
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thanks for the advice - will take it seriously
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#9043 - 05/26/08 07:02 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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i didnt know the all caps thing was such a big deal - new here - i think i might have bitten off more than i can chew - will be more courtious and respectfull - some educated people on here - thanks for advice
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#9066 - 05/26/08 09:14 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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first of all - when i read the book - i got the impression that he put alot of effort into it - and from what i understand - he was a witch ( you can call him sorceror - wiccan - warlock - or whatever - its all well and good ) so i wouldnt put it past him to place some sort of spell on the book itself - for a satanist whos heart is in the right place to reep some of the benifets of what he was trying to offer - after i read it - for me - i felt something spiritual - almost like being blessed by the black pope himself - or it could have just been the joint i smoked - im not promoting the use of marijuana - but its a great spiritual tool for me forgive the spelling - and please dont ream me a new one
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#9090 - 05/27/08 07:04 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: SATANAS]
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 Originally Posted By: SATANAS
first of all - when i read the book - i got the impression that he put alot of effort into it


According to what we are told by people like Aquino, the book was composed in a rush and the bit from "Might is right" and the Enochian keys was added because they didn't have time to write more of there own stuff.

 Originally Posted By: SATANAS
- and from what i understand - he was a witch ( you can call him sorceror - wiccan - warlock - or whatever[/wuote]

According to LaVeys "The Satanic Witch" he viewed the word Witch as a exclusive feminine term and called male witches warlocks or magicians.

[quote=SATANAS]i wouldnt put it past him to place some sort of spell on the book itself


I don't think that kind of spells is part of LaVeys teori on magic. If you look on the rituals used in The Satanic Bible and The Satanic Witch, he is working with bioelectric energy, emotions and psychology to affect living people (*). If any kind of magic was used on The Satanic Bible it was Lesser magic, but I would agree that he definitely used this kind of psychological "magic" on the book like in choosing its name.

- Amina

(*) I am excluding The Satanic Rituals because of LaVeys differentiation between "rituals" and "ceremonies", rituals being focused on change and ceremonies the ones in TSR being focused on celebration what is.

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#9113 - 05/27/08 06:33 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Amina]
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didnt mean to say he was girlie - just used witch for lack of a better word - not as politicly correct as most people on here - cant spell for shit - does that make me less of a satanist ? - i didnt think so - just the wording in the book that he used - they seemed to me well thought out - like he was collecting this information for some great time
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#9133 - 05/28/08 12:06 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: SATANAS]
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 Originally Posted By: SATANAS
not as politicly correct as most people on here

It is not about being politically correct, but it is about talking about things that you know…

 Originally Posted By: SATANAS
cant spell for shit - does that make me less of a satanist ? - i didnt think so

Some might say yes it does make you simply a poser or wannabe… A Satanist would want to look as good as he could here or anywhere… On this forum you are your words, profile, and your avatar… Nothing more… A Satanist would take the time to type in a program such as Word… This will improve your spelling… Which is much more Satanic than lazily claiming you know your spelling sucks…

I was where you are once…

TRY HARDER… Do this for yourself…

You also know that not capping your I when speaking about yourself tells much about your self-respect…

~T~

Oh yeah read my quote a few times over…
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#9143 - 05/28/08 04:33 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: SATANAS]
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 Originally Posted By: SATANAS
cant spell for shit - does that make me less of a satanist ?


Yes it does. Or rather: I am from Denmark. I am also bad at English spelling, but I use a spellchecker. This do not remove all my errors but it helps. I am sure you are able to do the same, and by doing so show that you respect yourself and those you communicate with. Not trying to look your best is a sign of lack of self respect.

- Amina

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#9748 - 06/22/08 04:39 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Deathlehem]
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I am acutally looking for a copy of TSB, i am unable to find one and from what I heard from a friend, it is impossible to get a complete version. With all the crap that is out on the internet, I don't know what is an actual place I can go to read it. Please let me know. Thanks.
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#9749 - 06/22/08 04:47 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Caine]
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You can read it here in the Media Room section.
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#9851 - 06/28/08 01:22 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: psiren]
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For the most part, reading the Satanic Bible was a joke because first I had read Nietzsche, which is a thousand times more insightful, and reading TSB after that just feels unoriginal and repetitive. It is indeed good for Christian de-programming, but I deprogrammed myself out of Christianity without LaVey's help just fine. LaVey's Satanism is too anti-Christian for my tastes. Not that I'm not anti-Christian (in the philosophic sense), but I would also prefer to assert something instead of only denying something. I wonder if TSB is ONLY useful for de-programming people out of Christianity, which would make it pretty pathetic.

I am annoyed because LaVey seems unable to make up his mind about whether or not he really believes in magic and Satan, or if he is just playing and trying to keep the act up. I get the feeling he was a metaphoric Satanist but TSB was actually terribly not clear about that. Even if he didn't believe in Satan it seems like he believed in magic, which I might actually view as more primitive.

I agree with *someone?* that the semi-critical view of the Sexual Revolution is awesome. I think LaVeyan Satanism is partially a reaction against the Summer of Love.

However I have read several books that merely have one concept or line which make the rest of the muck worth trudging through. Despite my mostly critical attitude toward TSB, the following quotes almost redeem the entire book.

“The formalized beginning and end of the ceremony acts as a dogmatic, anti-intellectual device, the purpose of which is to disassociate the activities and frame of reference of the outside world from that of the ritual chamber, when the whole will must be employed. This facet of the ceremony is MOST important to the intellectual, as he ESPECIALLY requires the ‘decompression chamber’ effect of the chants, bells, candles, and other trappings, before he can put his pure and willful desires to work for himself, in the projection and utilization of his imagery.”

The story of my life in the occult. Rather than any structure or system to focus my will, I have mainly needed transitions to help me de-focus on everything else and get in the zone.

“When religion consistently becomes a solitary situation it reaches into that realm of self-denial which runs concurrent with anti-social behavior…It is for this reason that the Satanist should attempt to seek out others with whom to engage in these ceremonies.”

^^...and that is the reason I am on this forum. Quite frustrated about this part, I don't live near enough to major cities. I am wondering if I should just start a drum circle or a metal band because it would still be a cool group experience but it wouldn't require me to sift through the world in search of people of a "common perspective" which will probably turn out not to be so similar, and whose personalities I might not even be able to stand anyway.
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#9853 - 06/28/08 03:26 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinthesis]
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I'm sure that you'll find one or two on here whose personalities you can stand, although the drum circle might be a giggle.

Thanks for your input so far. It's been intelligent and well presented, you have gotten a few threads, that had much to offer originally but were detoured with viral shit (including this one) back on track.

I agree with you. I can only imagine what I would have thought of TSB had I read it last instead of first. And having started this thread feel compelled to say, it was never meant to be a thread that said the SB was the shit, but rather a place to reflect on what good may be able to be gleaned from it.

So again, well done, nice to have you around.

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#9855 - 06/28/08 03:58 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinthesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Sinthesis
I wonder if TSB is ONLY useful for de-programming people out of Christianity, which would make it pretty pathetic.


I've never been a christian, I was christened as a child and sent to a christian school (by Atheist and agnostic parents ) but never actually believed in any of it as far back as i can remember.
I did however find TSB useful as an intro to Satanism in general. I had no idea what it was; in my head it was christians gone bad, sacrifices and such. So from someone at that level of knowledge it's very useful.

I too got confused with whether or not LaVey believed in Satan, I tend to think not but he is rather vague on the whole issue. That aside though, I found the first half of the book very interesting and basically a sound philosophy.
The second half in my opninion is pure nonsense, page fillers, mumbo jumbo. But the first half is worth the read.

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#9856 - 06/28/08 04:22 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: psiren]
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Thanks for the compliments, Zeph.

Siren, if you like the Book of Fire/Infernal Diatribe, I recommend Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Nietzsche, as well as the first few passages of The Antichrist by Nietzsche. You can find both of them online, I think, and the second one is a really awesome quick read. ("Our recipe for happiness" is to me one of the finest things ever written.) I might as well recommend the novel Demian by Hermann Hesse at this point too, which was one of my biggest initiations into the realms of darkness. It is more brooding and contemplative and less fiery and energetic than the literature we've been discussing so far but it is amazing in its insistence on spiritual authenticity and its counter to the Christian rejection of human nature. Though Hesse had a Catholic background he is definitely relevant to many people who did not grow up with that.

If you do a substantial reading of Nietzsche you begin to feel like LaVey invented almost nothing new. I know I'm name dropping Nietzsche a lot like I'm some kind of cocky academic but I think if you appreciate the ripoff you will appreciate the original all the more.

I'm glad you thought TSB served as a decent intro. I guess my problem was that I was already introduced to Satanism when I read it. I guess my perspective is skewed then. But I still have to ask, if TSB is the intro book - where is the advanced course?
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#9875 - 06/28/08 03:35 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinthesis]
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The most interesting thing about The Satanic Bible is it has never gone out of print… That in itself says something…
Also here we are 40 odd years later still discussing it…

 Originally Posted By: psiren
I too got confused with whether or not LaVey believed in Satan, I tend to think not but he is rather vague on the whole issue.

He leaves such decisions to the individual… Just like myself sometimes I can believe in a force beyond our understandings sometimes I think I am silly for ever harboring such beliefs… It is human to wonder and change you ideas from time to time is it not?

 Originally Posted By: Sinthesis
If you do a substantial reading of Nietzsche you begin to feel like LaVey invented almost nothing new.

Can we even begin to believe that anyone invented human behavior? LaVey invented nothing but a way for him to profit off of human behavior… Selling his followers everything he spoke against…

What I took away from that book was it was ok to be human…

 Originally Posted By: Sinthesis
But I still have to ask, if TSB is the intro book - where is the advanced course?

We are living it...

~T~

I am done rambling…
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#9879 - 06/28/08 04:46 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Sinthesis]
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Thanks for the recommendations, I've never read any Nietzsche, a friend of mine has also recommended these 2 books to me (also pointing out the rip-off quailty of TSB) so I shall definitely check them out some time.

As for the 'advanced course', I don't know. I guess I'm different than a lot on here in that I don't read a lot of 'Satanic literature' if that's the right phrase. I'm not particularly interested in pursuing it to any great level, not in an academic sense anyway. Perhaps ‘intro’ was the wrong word for what I meant. What I meant was that before reading it I had a fucked-up idea of what Satanism is. A better phrase would be ‘eye-opener’.

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#9880 - 06/28/08 05:00 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

He leaves such decisions to the individual… Just like myself sometimes I can believe in a force beyond our understandings sometimes I think I am silly for ever harboring such beliefs… It is human to wonder and change you ideas from time to time is it not?



Of course, yes. Don't you find the vagueness slightly annoying though? I mean was he covering all bases? It's one thing to change your ideas over time but to be vague about them at a given time annoys me. My views may change in the future and have in the past but I know what I believe now.

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#10378 - 07/30/08 06:43 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Deathlehem]
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well for me t stb opened my eyes to different
kinds of stuuf such as indulgence not ...abstinence
to me that meant have fun in life
dont deny yourself and if you can use
magick&ritual to help you get what you want
hail!!!!!
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#10380 - 07/30/08 01:51 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: mutt mutton]
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 Originally Posted By: mutt mutton
well for me t stb opened my eyes to different
kinds of stuuf such as indulgence not ...abstinence
to me that meant have fun in life
dont deny yourself and if you can use
magick&ritual to help you get what you want
hail!!!!!

For starters I want to ask you to do something about your spelling, grammar and punctuation. It really get's a bit the beast out of me if I see writings like that. Almost like I am dealing with a less intelligent person. Like said before, use word or another spell checker. You find different versions online and otherwise: http://www.spellcheck.net/

Secondly, in which way did the SB open your eyes differently? Could you clarify me that part?
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#10384 - 07/30/08 05:45 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I have a problem with the Satanic Bible. I'm a scientist and skeptic. I will not, cannot just read a book targeted to the uneducated masses and believe everything, or even anything, that it says without good reason.

Lavey says lots and lots of things that I agree with. But, he says everything as a matter-of-fact. In his books, things seem to be objective 100% fact, when they're really philosophical ideas. Worse, he doesn't tend to say why he made the conclusions he did. I can only assume he wants me to take his word for it.

The worst example I can think of at this moment is not from the Satanic Bible, but from "the satanic witch". where he spends pages and pages describing a psychiatric system of personal manipulation based on judging people by outward physical appearances. That the length of limbs and the girth of the torso are a manifestation of personality. There is actually a law of biological science that goes against this.

My current stance as far as how to act goes, is to try it (lesser magic, that is. I want to become great at lesser magic) and find out. What I did above was only handwaving, the very thing I accused Lavey of. I know that the only way to know for sure is to try it out myself. I'll let you know how it goes. Meanwhile I'd like to know your reflections on this.

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#10385 - 07/30/08 05:58 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: coelentrate]
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From what I've read, Satanic Rituals is also written as fact, but wholly made up.

I think though, if you can get beyond that, there is still much lesser magick to be learnt from them. Although, as a female, the Satanic witch is not what I would model my behaviour on.

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#10386 - 07/30/08 05:59 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: coelentrate]
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I'd also like to say that I don't know what satanic text is better than the Satanic Bible. I doubt any is even an equal. (I do not believe in a god-like devil.) But I know that not believing in a better text doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The point is, flawed as it is, I like the Satanic Bible. I realize it is pretty damn good for coming from an imperfect person.

I'll take what it says with a grain of salt, with personal investigation before I take it to heart. And I reserve the right to scoff at it's critics whom I percieve to be clueless.

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#10414 - 07/31/08 04:31 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: coelentrate]
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I would wholeheartedly concur! I enjoy the Satanic Bible. It's a very great read. Of all the satanic texts I have , it definately is the one I enjoy most .
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#10494 - 08/05/08 04:40 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Deathlehem]
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I don,t believe in Gods or Godesses i believe in me,I believe in the Satanic Bible cause it,s words set me free.Cause i agree with it. I admire LaVey for writing them at a time when the world was just not ready. I also believe Satanism is just a label, If you except Satan as is,then you have to believe in God as is.Satan is the Dark side of the Divine nature,But who tells us whats Divine.It,s becoming so individual as we become more intellectual as a society,Good and Evil Are actions what we do to each other.If you were to really think about it we are Satan, We are God,So Hail ME,,,,DAMIAN.
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#10501 - 08/05/08 10:30 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Damian]
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Whilst I'm glad that you beleive in yourself and the Satanic Bible's words, you are going to get a huge shock when you find out/realize that most of it is plagurized from much earlier works and what wasn't was made up.

As with alot of his books, what is presented as fact is often just made up. However, this doesn't take away the value of it, just don't throw yourself too quickly at the feet of false gods.

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#10506 - 08/06/08 05:46 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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The one thing i have found out having been a Thelemite the last 20 years is It,s all plagurized,I remember The OTO and my 1st Gnostic Mass, I felt like i was in a Catholic church,when i brought the fact up that it was all plagurized to the body master of the temple,he said of course itis most of Crowley,s work is...Broke my Heart.needless to say i,m nolonger a member and I don,t believe in Blind faith,,so I,m ok with being my own God, Life has been Good,and I dont feal False, Lol, Damian.
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#10576 - 08/10/08 04:18 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Deathlehem]
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I do believe that Deathlehem is quite right in saying that the
Levayan satanists are not the only true satanists. I also am going to agree with everything you have just said. I am also vary sure Buddha did not exist, but the ideals behind Buddha are
true.
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#10586 - 08/10/08 08:41 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: harrison]
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I am also going to have to nod my head in agreement like a good little sheep. I can't imagine anything that has defined Satanism overall as accurately as the Satanic Bible.

My only problems would be a few factual inaccuracies and poor research regarding a few occult matters, but I'm nitpicky about that anyway.

Oh and hi.


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#10668 - 08/14/08 01:00 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: The Zebu]
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Well i dont know about 'Good' little sheep but you are right about it (TSB) defining Satanism soooo well. Also being nitpicky
is one of my faults too. but hey its better that way than being open to every thing easily.
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#11153 - 09/01/08 11:23 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Deathlehem]
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Well, just as the new introduction by Mr. Gilmore states:

This book will change your life...

It definitely changed mine. I never understood how in the book though, he goes to define God as a balancing force of nature that can't begin to have any interest in what happens with man on earth... It made a world of sense to me. Billions of people on this earth with billions of different motivations that may involve stepping on another, who would God listen to?

That's why we have free will.

So... There is a God?

Nah, he goes on to state that Man invented God because Man needs religion... So if you worship God then you are by proxy worshipping the man who invented God, so why not worship yourself?

That always confused me... Since it especially went on to make the ritual magic look incredibly pointless...

It's my personal opinion they are all closet Theists.

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#11251 - 09/06/08 08:29 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Raziel LaVey]
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The Satanic Bible sure beats the fuck out of gods bible. I enjoy reading it alot but I also don't take everything I read to heart.
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#12243 - 10/05/08 07:04 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Deathlehem]
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what did it for me was the Nine Satanic Statements my favorite being Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.which is the complete oppisite of what i was taught sense i come from a all christian family
but the 9th one i dont get sense the levayan way isnt the satan christianity represents.i mean i find it humorious or is that what its suppose to be?
i may sound dumb for asking that but i just want to have a complete understanding of TSB.
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#12246 - 10/05/08 07:22 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: BloodHorn]
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Satan has been the best friend that the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all of these years!


Indeed, the church could not sustain a position where their God is kind, nice and merciful and also responsible for all the bad tings happening each and every day. So they said it was Satan's fault. He was the "evil" root of all pains. This kept the churchs in their business.

Note It's my personal view. My personal understanding, curious to see about other interpretations...

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#12285 - 10/06/08 05:32 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Fabiano]
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I always viewed it more along the lines of the Church gaining power by propagating fear of Satan.... Sort of like how the US government was able to ride on post-911 fears of "the terrorists" and get things like the Patriot Act passed. It's easy to control people by scaring them with threats of an illusory enemy.
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#12287 - 10/06/08 05:51 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: The Zebu]
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Yes! Indeed. He's the "evil" root of all pains, so he's feared and this fear can be used for manipulation purposes...

Good remark !

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#17145 - 12/29/08 02:36 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Well The SB Opened My eyes To See That All
Religons, Witch Groups Aint All It cut
OUT to be like The FasleHoods in The
Christainity And How Everyone thinks there
doing the Right thing Yes! MayBe I dont WRite
Well A enough for this GROUP not well enough for
you BUT i can Try I Probly can try harder next time to do better
I follow My Own PATH which is practicing Witchcraft,Satanism
I've Even Been IN a Few covens But Satanism....ect And Witchcraft is a way of life. The SB is a tool To Be Used
To Help you In the Path Of The LHP And the Philophy opens
up The Doors To That Path In Which To Follow!!!!!


Edited by mutt mutton (12/29/08 02:50 PM)
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#17156 - 12/29/08 05:58 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: mutt mutton]
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Isn't mutton something sheepish?

Seriously man, just type normal, if your words have to rely on funky visual constructions, they probably didn't have much content to begin with.

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#17163 - 12/29/08 09:45 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: mutt mutton]
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Hmm Do you have use of your hands or do you have to access your computer by using eye blink movements? Are you mentally ill or severely challenged? If you answer no to all these questions then my guess is you are a troll or a disgruntled former member...

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#17190 - 12/30/08 04:32 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: ta2zz]
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He said... ect.. ect..

What the hell is ect?

Was that like another poem, or something? I couldn't find any rhyme or reason, so I'm guessing it was... a weird, unintelligable mutton poem...

It lost me, so it must be good.
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#17241 - 12/30/08 10:46 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: BloodHorn]
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They(the church) need a monster under the bed to keep nipping at the heels of the flock, chasing them out the door and into the arms of "god." Would YOU continue giving your milk money to the school bully for protection if there were no threat?
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#17262 - 12/31/08 12:46 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: blsk]
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I'm fed-up with the idea of the catholic god. he does nothing except insult and belittle me. I have a great deal of scorn for that group, and I cast curses and hexes upon them. Satan shall rule the Earth supreme, and we understand how to properly respect Him.
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#17275 - 12/31/08 01:59 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: paolo sette]
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If you are so "fed up" with him Paolo, reject the entire concept that he even exists. How can a man-made, external deity insult and belittle you? That's akin to insisting that your imaginary friend is pulling faces at you.

If you really study, and research all of the genuine satanic material that's readily available out there, maybe you'll find, to your pleasant surprise, that "You shall rule Your world supreme, and You understand how to properly respect Yourself"
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#17287 - 12/31/08 03:35 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: paolo sette]
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You cast curses and hexes? If such hocus-pocus is actually real, then wouldn't the vast overwhelming flood of worldwide Christian prayers and theurgy cancel out your spiritual assault?

And wouldn't it be more effective to start an active real-world campaign against the negative effects of religion, instead of sitting in a ritual chamber trying to wish your enemy away?

It looks like you have some serious emotional issues with your apostasy from Catholicism. At the very least, realize that the "Catholic God" has absolutely no power over you. He is most likely a made-up fairy-tale, but if he does exist, he must be an imperfect charlatan with no real strength so he needs hordes of followers to make himself feel better.

In any case, you don't need to follow any external God (or Devil) except the one within your own Will.
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#17298 - 12/31/08 06:16 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: paolo sette]
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Actually, you are a little sheep the catholic god is humping whenever he feels the need. All this theatrical but unavoidably below average devil-posing isn't hiding that fact.
If I was god; I'd say you are very special in your own way but sadly I am satan, I have to state: you are an idiot.

You may still call me Master, it's how nature defined our positions.

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