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#109473 - 10/12/16 01:49 AM Re: Best Horror Films [Re: duhsquidbilly]
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Oh and I would say probably the greatest horror actress of all time would have to be Barbara Streisand.
Because her movies are just like her music , all belonging to the horror category, seeing as they are simply torture. Move over waterboarders!
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#109636 - 10/21/16 08:21 AM Re: Best Horror Films [Re: duhsquidbilly]
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I donít particularly enjoy contemporary horror films.

I have an affection for older films, such as the Universal horror films of the 1930ís with Karloff, Lugosi and Chaney etc.

I also like the Vincent Price films he made with Roger Corman, Robert Fuest and others. I also like Hammer Horror films with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing. I like a lot of Hammer.

Finally, I like the film adaptations to the early Stephen King books, such as Carrie, Salemís Lot, The Stand, Cujo etc., which came out during the late 1970ís and 1980ís

Iím not sure you could describe these as horror; I also like film noir and German Expressionist film. I like Nosferatu

I have a lot of old weird stuff, which is more of a curiosity now and probably not really horror, according to todayís crude standards. I donít know if you could describe Fritz Lang or Hitchcock as horror?

I actually think that non-fiction documentary films have greater horror value. Films such as the Criterion Collection version of SHOAH, or Night and Fog by Criterion are as beautiful as they are horrifying - also a film like The Killing of America, which looks so dated now, but is such a dark film to me.

In terms of contemporary horror I actually like some TV series Ė American Horror Story is a favourite, along with a show called Penny Dreadful.

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#109687 - 10/22/16 08:10 PM Re: Best Horror Films [Re: Dark Magician]
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I agree with you about some of those older horror movies. They have a slower pace, more dedication to atmosphere and character.

I really like the first adaptation of 'Salem's Lot, its very good. The Stand came out in the early '90s, I remember it when I was a kid. I've read the uncut novel, I prefer to read horror if I can.

Hitchcock is horrifying. Some would say thriller but horror will suffice as well.

Today's horror relies on sound based jump scares, and knock off plots from demonic horror. The catholic propaganda goes on and on. Personally I liked the Japanese based horror, now its demons and catholic based religious nonsense. I do however enjoy The Exorcist.

I like horror that expresses atmosphere and setting.
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#109703 - 10/23/16 11:14 AM Re: Best Horror Films [Re: Dark Magician]
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 Originally Posted By: Dark Magician

Iím not sure you could describe these as horror; I also like film noir and German Expressionist film. I like Nosferatu


Have you seen "Shadow of the Vampire"?

It's Nosferatu, but from a different point of view. Think of it as a dark humour compendium for the original.
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#110720 - 12/03/16 11:55 PM Re: Best Horror Films [Re: Gira]
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GIRA:

Have you seen "Shadow of the Vampire"?

It's Nosferatu, but from a different point of view. Think of it as a dark humour compendium for the original.

I havenít seen this film.

I love my vampire films, but am very picky because the whole theme has been so overdone. It has become far too popular and hence the beauty and dare I say the weltanschauung of the vampireís perspective is gone. Itís just romance and image now.

I recently watched Vampyr from 1932, directed by Dreyer and re-released by Criterion, and enjoyed that very much. I wasnít too much interested in the plot of the film, though it is reasonably interesting. I like the notion of the older woman as vampire, holding the whole village in her sway. It does have an interesting approach to time Ė being both a film which draws one backwards from modernity into an illusory mediaeval past, which is an important part of a vampire film to me, and also references the sort of temporality which the vampire enjoys.

I always appreciate the aesthetics of the films I watch, particularly when it comes to these pre-war horror stories. Vampyr has a cloudy, shadowy appearance, with murky indistinct relations Ė every-thing appears as a soft grey, and forms seem to be constantly on the verge of dissolving into thin air and just disappearing before the eyes of the viewer. This is particularly true of the outdoor scenes, which are so beautiful to watch.

One review I read suggested that this particular aesthetic represented the viewpoint of the main character, who had delved into the occult and has lost contact with the mundane reality which the majority dwell within and somehow transcended to a place where reality was merely a hazy and formless thing. I think differently: I actually think that this aesthetic, is a representation of that worldview of the vampire, I referred to before.

If a film like The Hunger deals with the internal time consciousness of the vampire, then this film Vampyr may very well deal with the vampireís perception of space. I appreciate film companies like Criterion and Kino because they are trying to keep this art alive and are restoring and presenting it for people like me who love it.

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#113390 - 07/09/17 08:38 PM Re: Best Horror Films [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
Pondering this thread so far, one wonders why the appeal of horror films [or books] in the first place. Is it just a question of being so jaded that ordinary people/events don't move you? That was generally the presumption of H.P. Lovecraft, for instance.

And/or is being [safely] scared a sort of fun emotion? Seems counterintuitive somehow.

When I was a kid reading Famous Monsters, watching B-grade monster movies was ... what? (A) A way to gross out your parents. (B) Prestige among peers in grammar school. (C) Preemption of Calvin&Hobbes monsters under the bed. But I could never figure out why a terrified lady running at top speed would still, and always, be caught by Kharis lurching along on 3,000-year-old arthritic feet. And if Dr. F. wasn't sure how his monster would turn out, why make him seven feet tall and buffed? And since Lon Chaney Jr. always tore his shirt off when he wolfed out, why did he always keep his pants on? These are, you know, crucial questions.


The book mentions that Dr F made the creature big because it was easier to assemble.
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#114453 - 09/22/17 05:48 PM Re: Best Horror Films [Re: Friend of zoogs]
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The Innocents (1961)
The Blood On Satan's Claw (1971)
The Haunted Palace (1963)
In the Mouth of Madness (1994)
The Witch (2015)

The Witch was good, albeit rather overhyped, but still a good film never the less.

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#114497 - 09/25/17 11:45 PM Jeepers Creepers [Re: Niantiel_XIII]
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If there is anyone here who doesn't know, the creator Victor Selva (writer and director) is a convicted pedophile.

Yet in spite of this, somehow he is able to continue making movies.

Jeepers Creepers is one of the best horror series† I've ever seen, and I really enjoy the antagonist "The Creeper"

Many do. They also make this little disclaimer about what a godawful piece of unredeemable shit the director is, but then go on to say they have both films on both DVD and BR, and view it on TV, etc.

Here is a common article:

http://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/news/...ictor-salva-324

The point is, people love The Creeper, which has been called by some to be a manifestation of the director's perverted ego.

Personally I find that it adds to the creepiness, but then again, the only thing worse I could think of is if the guy decided to start making little kids shows or something. At least he's being honest. He says he's been seeking redemption for so many years. today people are threatening to protest the release of Jeepers Creepers 3.

I honestly wonder, how many fat fucks out there really have anything to redeem of themselves, or even try? Too bad its not showing in many theatres, I'd pay to see it. Did with the first two. Guess that's my hard earned money going to a complete pervert, but then again, all this backlash from people who regularly attend church every sunday heh...

Despite the disclaimers people make, most of them say they own the movies, love the storyline etc...

At the end of the day, the real reason they come back, is because of this handsome fella:



Inside the human animal is an undeniable beast that longs for the dark and all the grusome danger it entails. The fact so many praise this creature in spite of its creator says it all.
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#114502 - 09/26/17 12:01 PM Re: Jeepers Creepers [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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It's old news.

 Originally Posted By: CN
somehow he is able to continue making movies.


After he was paroled in 92' he's a self made man. I don't see why that's a mystery. He'd probably have a harder time getting a wage job with a background check. Even though inmates aren't supposed to be discriminated against, they are.

I liked the first film. The 2nd was meh. Trying to pump that gravy train I suppose. As most franchises often do.

Bit on the kids shows, Disney is often labeled a 'Satanic' industry with reason. No fucks given. Just make the show, make the money. Parental outrage isn't new, or even noteworthy.

His 88' conviction has been shared all over the place in social media. People are actively trying to get masses to boycott the film. I don't think people care as much as they hope. Especially about a blow job and kiddie porn.

Remember all the hype back when Powder was released? Yeah most people don't, and the film still received critical acclaim. The creeper was a new monster, and we haven't really seen one of those in a while. I think that's the draw, not so much that he's extra special creepy because there's a sex offender behind it. It wants what it wants. If it wants you, nothing will keep it from you. It preys on fear. Pretty a-typical story line and development. The question will be, whether or not the Creeper will be given a new set of teeth in this 3rd film. You know how these things go, in an effort to improve upon the monster they ruin it.

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#114503 - 09/26/17 12:51 PM Re: Jeepers Creepers [Re: SIN3]
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Hate to be the hype train guy, but IT shot straight to my top 5. It got more than one 'holy shit' out of me while watching it.
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#114504 - 09/26/17 05:21 PM Re: Jeepers Creepers [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Really now? That's surprising. I passed it up because I didn't have high expectations. The memes were pretty cool though. Thanks for the advice. I'll check it out.
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#114506 - 09/27/17 10:53 AM Re: Jeepers Creepers [Re: SIN3]
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It was actually pretty true to the source material, aside from changing the timeline a bit. (In the book it happens in 1953 rather than 1989)

Well, that and two particular things that were left out due to being impossible to greenlight...if you read the book you'll know the ones.

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#114515 - 09/28/17 11:52 AM Re: Jeepers Creepers [Re: Dan_Dread]
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@SIN: That was kind of my point, no one cares as much as people make it out, and the fact remains, The Creeper is the reason people keep going to see the films. It was only supposed to be Sept. 26th but there is another one with what look like more theatres on Oct. 4th.

@Dan: I read the book several years ago, then I listened to it on audiobook, narrated by Steven Webber. He's been in a few king film adaptations, Desperation and the 1997 remake of The Shining.

The souce material a lot more nasty business than just kids in sexual circumstances, although I must say one of them was actually quite disturbing. A lot of insane things happen that don't involve Mr. Grey, but people. You are left to wonder just how much of that behaviour was influenced by the antagonist. King has even said that he wonders how much of human evil is innate or influenced, a part of us or something else.

IT is one of his longer books, and despite what people told me about IT being too wordy, I enjoyed the narrative which I thought kept pace. The story never slowed down or got boring.
People always reference The Stand as the better of these two long novels, yet I found an entire chunk of The Stand where things did drag on so much I began to wonder when the fuck it would pick up again. Ultimately I like both well enough not to reccommend one over the other.

As for the new film, I thought the kids were good actors, and the script wasn't too bad, but if felt rushed and crammed, like the writers wanted to just get through each scene as soon as possible.

Like SIN's reaction to JC2, I was almost like meh... but I think the kids held it down, their performances were noteworthy. So was the clown, for that matter.

A note on King, and strange coincidences...

I've been finishing up on a few of King's books I didn't read, some of his older ones. I've read about half his books at this point but there were just a few I never got around to. About two weeks ago I picked up Gerald's Game. I had no idea what the story was about, and I read it in a couple days. Themes again, of weird and gross child/adult relations, and I couldn't help but notice that about three quarters into the book, the phrase Jeepers Creepers is mentioned. Plus we had the eclipse this year, and of all the times I could have read it, it had to be this one. I will say, there are few things that make me say "what the fuck", and some of the phrases and imagery in the last two chapters of Gerald's game made me lose a little appatite, so to speak. It references a character that I find to be King's creepiest antagonist.

Well if that weren't enough, right after finishing I found out Netflix is releasing a film adaptation, which is coming Tomorrow.

Another good series I like is "The Conjuring" universe. I think a lot of it is for jump scares, but I did like Annabelle and the new one, Annabelle Creation. I reccommend that over IT. I think it had much more to offer in the realm of creeping malevolence.


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#114532 - 09/28/17 10:56 PM Re: Jeepers Creepers [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Well I guess there is the matter of taste, you can't objectively quantify what is entertaining. For instance, I found that Annabelle movie cringeworthy to the point I was laughing. I do like me some comedy horror, but only when it's intentional.

I'd watch an Annabelle vs Chucky movie. That would be a hoot.
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#114537 - 09/29/17 11:16 AM Re: Jeepers Creepers [Re: Dan_Dread]
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My bet's on Annabelle. That thing's 'essence' would rip those of Chucky and that faggot clown a new hell-hole.

Seriously though, I didn't get any 'what the fuck' moments from either film. Almost did with Annabelle 2. Definately not IT. The fact that the kids were able to just beat him up at the end was beyond stupid. In the novel, the kids actually had to apprehend with full awareness what they were up against, and use a particular ritual to defeat the creature. I admit some of the monster scenes of IT were OK, but nothing quite as good as Annabelle. IT was so crammed and rushed I found it difficult to enjoy.

All things considered, don't go see this movie called Mother! It is advertised as a phychological terror/thriller. Its not. I saw it cold, meaing I didn't know anything about it besides the trailer. You want cringworthy, there it is. I've had a huge break from watching movies until recently, where I'd go see maybe two a year. Mother! was a good reminder of why that became so.

In any case, no magic turtle or bible pages will save you from The Creeper \:D


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