#7511 - 04/11/08 05:54 PM
Stereotyping Yourself
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This won't be news to most of you, but I found it interesting none the less.
How Stereotyping Yourself Contributes to Your Success (or Failure)
Faults in performance do not necessarily signify a dearth of skills or abilities, social scientists have found. Instead the failures may arise from awareness of stereotypes that others hold about the groups to which we belong.
Social identity research examines not only how we both take on (internalize) and live out (externalize) identities that are shared with our peers but also how these things can change.
This research can help us identify ways of responding to others’ stereotypes so that human talent and potential are not squandered. Although stereotypes can promote failure, they can also lift a person’s or group’s performance and be tools that promote social progress.
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#11261 - 09/07/08 03:42 PM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
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Dimitri
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Because there is always something that someone else sees about them that a certain individual doesn't.
I still don't see a reason for stereotyping myself with this. If you know yourself you'll automatically notice when one of your abilities needs improvement. In my case if I don't notice that an ability of mine needs improvement someone will just tell me or let me notice. There is no stereotyping in that part.
Also I ask you, does the whole idea of "fuck what others think about me" (I know you didn't say this it is just an example)apply to your friends and family.
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#24367 - 05/10/09 03:05 AM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
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GarrettProAudio
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Personally, I like to move through alot of different stereotypes depending on what it is I'm trying to acheive.
I totally agree with this statement. I believe its almost a necessity, at this point, to be able to do that just to get through life. Lets face it...you most likely will not get along with or befriend everyone you meet in life but for the few that smite you, isn't there great satisfaction on knowing how to "play ball in there court" to manipulate them to your advantage? But on the contrary, does it not make you feel like a phony at some point? Is there not enough fake people in the world already? What are you thoughts or morals on it?
-Cheers-
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#26792 - 07/04/09 11:56 AM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
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Satans Scrotum
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I've always admired people who could change themselves in different situations, I think for most people, it's easy. My girlfriend is a different person around certain people, like a master of disguise. My step-dad has this same ability, I remember him always being different when his friends was around. He would be a total dick when it was just mom and I, but soon as one of his buddies came over, he was a gentlemen. I personally suck at this, I'm the same with everyone, and even when it's in my best interest to not be myself, I still can't change. And having the ability to change, can really benefit, as others described in this thread. I think it's a good ability to have, and for those who have it, should use it, to it's full advantage.
As stereotyping goes, I believe this happens to me often, I'll give an example. When I'm out on the town, people will often ask me for drugs, if I have them, or know where to get them. And I don't use illegal drugs, social drinker and cigarette smoker, that's it. So why would they ask me unless they assumed me to be a drug dealer or user, stereotyping.
I don't let it hinder me, but I would like to get better at deception and lying. I believe I could benefit from it, I been told I was to honest. And I don't see how honesty does anyone any good.
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#26793 - 07/04/09 02:39 PM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
[Re: Satans Scrotum]
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ta2zz
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As stereotyping goes, I believe this happens to me often, I'll give an example. When I'm out on the town, people will often ask me for drugs, if I have them, or know where to get them. And I don't use illegal drugs, social drinker and cigarette smoker, that's it. So why would they ask me unless they assumed me to be a drug dealer or user, stereotyping.
At times the answers to our questions are so obvious and right in front of us that we just cannot see them. Perhaps they are too simple or maybe we just do not want to believe things or accept responsibility at times. Reality doesn’t change just because you say you fell asleep during a tattoo, or because you want it to.
In another thread I mentioned your tattoos and your avatar and the common perceptions of both.
Perspective is key, understanding your own perspective is only the start. One should not only look at themselves through their own eyes but also try to look at yourself as others see you. To not understand why people stereotype you and perceive you as a drug dealer/user is your own weakness not others. You must realize you have stereotyped yourself with your choice of markings and placement. Simply, you look the part of a ghetto thug that’s done time.
Sorry if this upsets you but that is a fact.
I don't let it hinder me, but I would like to get better at deception and lying. I believe I could benefit from it, I been told I was to honest. And I don't see how honesty does anyone any good.
I live by honesty this doesn’t mean I have not learned at times to shut the fuck up and take fifteen dollars change on a sixteen dollar order I paid for with a twenty. I myself despise liars and fakes with a passion, though I often use deception in my day-to-day life. Honesty builds trust with those who can handle it, though many fear or misunderstand it as well.
This forum can be used as a small example of real world perceptions, you can learn a lot here. Here you are only known by your words, your profile and how you present yourself (avatar, writing style, spelling, etc.). In the real world you have chosen to mark yourself in a very distinguishable, noticeable way. In this you have limited yourself in what situations you can easily blend into. Makeup could serve as a tool in covering your tattoos when needed, so all is not lost.
You are your own man how you choose to be perceived is only your choice and in reality matters little to me.
Simple honesty.
~T~
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#26803 - 07/04/09 09:52 PM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
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Satans Scrotum
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Thanks for your honesty, I do accept and understand how some people perceive me. As the tattoo thing goes, I have future plans for fresh ink, things less menacing. I outgrew my fascination with serial killers, so I think the new ink will drastically improve my image. I also like honesty and trust, and those who are absolute, those who like me do so because I'm always the same. And those who don't, usually do so because of the same reason. And like I said, being yourself, does have limitations if you're not flexible. Lot's of things I could never do, that others can, but I accept it.
I've never really tried to stereotype myself or knew exactly how others did, but I always knew it was some kind of degenerate. And I can definitely see how that could effect someones self-esteem. I never fully understood how important peoples opinions of oneself was til I got older.
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#27228 - 07/18/09 11:14 PM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
[Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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ceruleansteel
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I totally agree with both you and Tat.
Stereotyping is bred into us. We teach our children to look out for the creepy old perv in the van. When we are walking down the street, we automatically steer clear of the panhandlers and the drug dealers. When we are lost in a new city, there is a reason why we only ask directions from people who look a certain way. Stereotyping other people can keep us safe and can assist us in making good decisions in life. Realizing what stereotypes we have been given by others can help us learn how to alter parts of our appearance or personality that are working against us or cultivate those parts that are helping us excel.
It is folly to ignore these things. Regardless of the capitalist culture blah blah blah mentioned above, you simply cannot go through life not caring how you are viewed by others (unless of course, you are independently wealthy).
I am aware of how I am seen by others, both the good and the bad. I know which of these things assist me in getting what I want and need in life and I know which ones are working against me and if it weren't for the lovely assholes in life who are willing to point out their perceptions of me, I would not be able to improve myself, my appearance, my station in life, etc.
Sometimes a person simply cannot see the forest for the trees. There have been many times in my life where I thought I was coming across one way only to find that I was mistaken. I am not a stranger to self-examination, but sometimes it takes an outside source to point out a character flaw that may seem small to me but has a very large impact on how others relate to me. It may boil down to semantics: some people say I am adaptable because I am willing and able to jump into many different situations, some people say I am unpredictable because I have been in those situations. I think the former is well worth expanding on, but unless I find the root of the latter and why that portion of people do not see it the way the first group does, I will not always have the desired affect on people and that can hinder my progress in reaching my life goals.
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#27234 - 07/19/09 03:39 AM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
[Re: Samuel Hain]
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Stereotypes exist whether we like them or not. Any sociologist will tell you that the main premise behind their work is due to those existing stereotypes. But for good or for ill?
Ill I say! What good is it to pretend like you're a part of some conventional, prescribed, iron on patch of social behavior? I think in this regard is where I despise certain parts of Satanism. It advocates that we, in a sense, lie to others, just to gain material success. Materialism nauseates me more than anything though. I adhere to my utopian ideals when I say that above all else it is most important to be genuine, even when you will not be benefited.
You get to be that lone wolf, that is not swayed by others' whims. You get to be 100% genuine regardless of social venue. This I think has a much better pay off when you KNOW you're the real deal and not just doing shit to one up someone.
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#27242 - 07/19/09 07:44 PM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
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ceruleansteel
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Okay, so your stereotype is non-conformist loser who will never make it in life, yet blames everyone else for his station instead of doing something about it.
It advocates that we, in a sense, lie to others, just to gain material success.
Actually, it advocates that we do what we need to do in order to achieve WHATEVER we believe is successful. "Vital Existance"...to some it means one thing and to others it means a completely different thing.
And unless you're living in a cave, I'm going to have to call bullshit on your little rant against materialism. At the very least, you have a computer. And I'm betting you also have a television, a few game consoles, a cell phone, a car, and a vast collection of death metal and non-conformist, neutered emo music.
Do you also wear tight jeans and kiss boys?
I adhere to my utopian ideals when I say that above all else it is most important to be genuine, even when you will not be benefited.
That is the stupidest batch of crap I have read in a long time. Why are you here? You are obviously NOT an LHP-oriented person. Everything that humans do in life is for benefit. Even your railing against materialism and your so-called utopian ideals are for your benefit (and I'm guessing it's so that others will overlook your most likely less than impressive existance).
Stereotypes exist, and they are a tool that has been and can be used to assist someone in becoming whatever they deem is a success in their life, whether it be amassing great wealth or avoiding some task. It is also a tool that (as I've already said) can keep us safe from harm and help us make wise decisions. Thinking that you are the genuine article is bullshit. You project an appearance just like everyone else does. Do you openly fart in public?
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#27247 - 07/20/09 12:55 AM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
[Re: ceruleansteel]
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hellbent666
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Too bad I can't use one liners here  sounds like I touched a nerve with you ceruleansteel. Your pitiful existence depends on materialism. While I realize that without money I wouldn't be able to live the way I do now is not the issue. The issue is not leeching off of those more productive than I, this is why I work as well as there being some things I enjoy doing like improving my body and cooking.
It's easy for a woman to say, "Oh, you have a worthless existence because you're not money hungry like I am." Do you want a gold star? Do you want a cookie? Do you want a pat on the back for being so narrow minded and quick to making assumptions? I HATE money because it leads to single-mindedness like in this instance. You have absolutely no clue how much life you're missing out on my dear. And you are the reason personified why I hate women.
No, I am not a LHP'er. I am a Jeramiahist. I used to be a Satanist and used to like having intelligent conversations with like minded or even semi like minded people. However, you are not the person I seek. You are a bump in the road. The person I seek has a deeper appreciation for life, which is a main premise of Satanism, so don't try preaching to me 
Nice try though...
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#27249 - 07/20/09 02:25 AM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
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Jake999
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The person I seek has a deeper appreciation for life, which is a main premise of Satanism, so don't try preaching to me Nice try though...
Wouldn't want anyone to interfere in your time preaching to others. Reading your posts is becoming a lot like sitting in a Southern Baptist church and listening to some one drone on and on about how their life is soooooooo much better since they found Jesus and how your life is sooooooo pathetic. But you know, it would be a lot more convincing if there was some reason to believe what he hell you're selling is in fact something more than your personal pipe dreams.
There's not a damned thing wrong with materialism. Believe me. I've been so poor I've eaten cat food, and flush enough to travel first class and tip twenties. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having things. I have a lot of things. Earned every goddamn one of them with the sweat of my brow and the force of will to say I WILL make it happen. Most often, those who rail against materialistic things simply have nothing and decide to turn that into a personal virtue.
There's not a damned thing wrong in eating what you want and enjoying life like a banquet. If I feel like eating a bag of Doritos, well... I paid for the bag of Doritos, I paid for the house in which I live and the life that I affect is well... mine. And yeah, I have a beer gut. So what? I'm 60 years old this year and can still wade into my enemies physically and mentally. I have a right hook that can break a jaw and a lawyer who can break down walls.
So yeah, I have a few extra pounds. And it's done me no harm. I grew up as a skinny kid who was picked on. Now, only a fool would try. And has it hurt me with women? I don't think so. I've been married to one for 40 years, and have a "secondary mate" that's been with me as well for 20. Both are brilliant women with business acumen and skills that make men sweat. Along the way, yeah, I've had my share of other women as well, probably as many (conservatively) as 100.
This isn't to brag. I learned a long time ago that doing and achieving is much more satisfying than wasting my time yakking about it. But I've been hearing self-appointed gurus tell me all my life just where I've been going wrong in life. And I keep wondering, why in the hell THEIR life is so much better. If it satisfies them, great. It would bore me to fucking tears. And I really don't care if my life offends them. Unless it takes $$$ out of my wallet, or keeps me from the things I want, they're like every other clod that preaches. They're looking for someone to validate them.
When you forget that and learn to validate yourself, life becomes a thing to live, rather than a crusade to fight to convert others to your beliefs. You aren't a Left Hand Pather... ok. You aren't a Satanist... who cares? You are a Jeramiahist... quaint.
But you've definitely been preaching.
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#27252 - 07/20/09 03:23 AM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
[Re: Jake999]
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hellbent666
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How is pointing out common sense preaching? Did everyone forget the main reason for internet forums? The #1 reason for internet forums is to give an opinion. It really doesn't matter if said opinion is shared or not, that hasn't stopped anyone on here now has it? Is the internet forum with supposed intelligent people such as satanists now a pissing contest? I must be confused, but I honestly doubt I am because I've been doing the forum thing for years now.
What possesses someone to disregard FACTS is beyond me. Nothing I've stated health-wise has been dis-proven by any medical expert. Don't believe me? Talk to ANY person in the medical industry they'll tell you the same thing! Are you fucking kidding me? YES!!!! I must be dreaming because I NEVER thought people would debate me over medical facts. Wow, you have some serious issues. Not opinions FACTS! Deal with it!
I'm NOT legislating my morality on anyone. I stated my opinion and got into a weird one sided debate over things pretty much anyone can plainly observe. You like smoking?! Well great for you! Hope you enjoy emphysema! You like getting drunk? Great for you! Hope you enjoy having a piss poor metabolism! You like drugs? Well great for you! Most drugs besides pot are felonies! Enjoy your prison sentence! How are these in any way debatable?
As for the materialism thing. This is gonna be tough for any of you that are "In the Shit", so to speak, to understand because it takes life NOT going your way for you to get it. Am I having a debate with some silver spoon fed mother fucker? If so, you will probably never understand what I'm talking about or you have already forgotten what it was like to be poor. And who gives a flying fuck if your poor? Oh yeah! Money hungry people with one track minds! That's right! It's all coming back to me now.
If you want to disregard everything I say out of some weird defense mechanism, that is your prerogative. Only you will be held accountable for doing so. I bid you good luck in extracting anything of meaning from such a monetary existence. In fact people like me would call your interests Nominal. Meaningless. The grande scheme of things is what we're looking at, not the temporary...
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#27253 - 07/20/09 03:47 AM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
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Jake999
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I bid you good luck in extracting anything of meaning from such a monetary existence. In fact people like me would call your interests Nominal. Meaningless. The grande scheme of things is what we're looking at, not the temporary...
You make the mistake of thinking that anyone really even cares what you think. I certainly don't. But I would never condemn your way of living, because it works (apparently) for YOU... such that it is.
I'll suffer through my terrible life. Now while you're busting your ass to keep a roof over your head and try to pay for an internet connection, I'll be at the casino playing blackjack.
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#27255 - 07/20/09 03:59 AM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
[Re: Diavolo]
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hellbent666
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Well I guess we've already deduced that self preservation is not any of your highest laws.
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#27259 - 07/20/09 11:12 AM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
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Dimitri
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How is pointing out common sense preaching? Did everyone forget the main reason for internet forums? The #1 reason for internet forums is to give an opinion. It really doesn't matter if said opinion is shared or not, that hasn't stopped anyone on here now has it? Is the internet forum with supposed intelligent people such as satanists now a pissing contest? I must be confused, but I honestly doubt I am because I've been doing the forum thing for years now.
1) Internet forums can indeed be used to give different opinions, but most wisely be backed-up with common-sense, official bulletins, essays, books and reports from authorized persons and not from the first idiot who wants to sound interesting and proclaims his bullshit to the like-minded idiots without a brain. And you lack the latter part, i.e. the decent backup.
2) you are preaching at the moment, back-off a bit and reread your texts later on. You'll see clearly your pushing and preaching behavior. You might be on the Internet now, but you are currently residing in xear's lair. And he likes decent behavior...
What possesses someone to disregard FACTS is beyond me. Nothing I've stated health-wise has been dis-proven by any medical expert. Don't believe me? Talk to ANY person in the medical industry they'll tell you the same thing! Are you fucking kidding me? YES!!!! I must be dreaming because I NEVER thought people would debate me over medical facts. Wow, you have some serious issues. Not opinions FACTS! Deal with it!
Facts are seldom disregarded, only the interpretation and subjective view from the person can. And restate your fact if you made one, I happen to have quite a knowledge when it comes to science, biology and related subjects..
I'm NOT legislating my morality on anyone. I stated my opinion and got into a weird one sided debate over things pretty much anyone can plainly observe.
When opinions are given, when statements are made, they are free to be criticized. If you don't like it, it is advised to keep the mouth shut.
As for the materialism thing. This is gonna be tough for any of you that are "In the Shit", so to speak, to understand because it takes life NOT going your way for you to get it. Am I having a debate with some silver spoon fed mother fucker? If so, you will probably never understand what I'm talking about or you have already forgotten what it was like to be poor.
As far as I have followed the discussion: you think materialism is bad? Nice one, could you please deposit all your cash on next bank account: 1234-567-8910... I might need some.
Or does greed prevent you because you might lose the shelter you currently have?
Guess you forgot that the house you live in has come to existence by having a materialistic mind...
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#27260 - 07/20/09 01:15 PM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
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6Satan6Archist6
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"The things you own, own you." I am not sure who first said that, but I do at that it can be true at times. My mom has been playing Final Fantasy online everyday, sometimes all day, for going on three years now. In a sense that game owns her, but, I feel she has earned it after raising two kids on her own, working jobs that she hated just so she could, and going back to college.
People who work their asses off for the things they have deserve those things. You are just pissy because you do not have what others have. So you try to take the "moral highground" and outwardly reject materialism like you are some sort of monk.
If you are really anti-materialistic, then what are you doing with a computer? Hell, what are you doing with any of your possessions? Why don't you just sell everything you have, then give the money away, and go sleep in the woods for the rest of your life?
Somehow I doubt you would be willing to give up your material possessions and step out of your comfort zone like that. I also doubt that if some rich person were to show up at your house today and offer you a Ferrari with no strings attached; that you would turn the offer down even though it might be construed by some as "leeching off someone who is doing better in life than you".
I use to be anti-materialistic. Thinking that I didn't need money or possessions to be happy. In some ways I still feel that way a little bit. I mean, I don't feel like my life is a failure because I don't have a 30' yacht or even a 30" tv, but it sure is nice to have money so I can pay my rent, eat and shower my girlfriend in all the nice things I can even though she doesn't ask for them.
I spent a few months homeless on the streets of Hollywood, Venice Beach, Santa Monica etc. and riding freight trains around California and Oregon. During my time I proved that I could exist without a stable job (day labor was a must as panhandling was only a last resort), a house, food everyday, a stereo, a cellphone and all the other comforts and amenities that I know enjoy. Even though I could live without things didn't mean that I wanted to and it sure as hell doesn't mean I was happier then than I am now.
You are anti-materialistic? Ok, I don't believe it for one second, but ok. Let us assume for a second that you really are. Good for you. What do you want; a medal, a cookie, a pat on the back and an atta boy? Just because you CLAIM to hold that position doesn't mean everyone else has to as well. So go ahead and cling to your false sense of superiority and I will listen to music that comes from the stereo that my ipod is hooked up to while I bone my girlfriend and record it on my digital movie camera.
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#27262 - 07/20/09 03:04 PM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
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ceruleansteel
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Too bad I can't use one liners here sounds like I touched a nerve with you ceruleansteel. Your pitiful existence depends on materialism
Actually, I am fairly minimalist, which pretty much everyone here knows already. I don't even WANT a television, have a 17 year old sedan, etc etc. You are the one who keeps clinging to "stereotypes = manipulation = money". I've said twice now that stereotyping has several very valid applications, but you don't seem to be paying attention.
I didn't say your existance was worthless because you (claim you are) not money hungry. I clearly stated that your existance was worthless because you are so stupid as to think that you can get anywhere in life without understanding the necessity and usefulness of stereotyping. You think you offended me just because I insulted you? Naw. I insult everyone who has an IQ less than 120.
It's easy for a woman to say, "Oh, you have a worthless existence because you're not money hungry like I am." Do you want a gold star? Do you want a cookie? Do you want a pat on the back for being so narrow minded and quick to making assumptions? I HATE money because it leads to single-mindedness like in this instance. You have absolutely no clue how much life you're missing out on my dear. And you are the reason personified why I hate women.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
Did you just stereotype me?
Look, pussyface, I fucking HATE shopping. I'm a survivalist and my six year old could last longer in any terrain with just a steak knife and a piece of string than you could with provisions. I am wearing a pair of three year old jeans and the only reason this shirt is from 2009 is because my other one like it finally wore the hell out. I can press almost 800 pounds with my legs. I prefer classical music. I drink 101-proof bourbon, often straight out of the bottle (but never when the kids are home). I grow roughly half the food I eat. And I'm currently cruising through a BA with A's in classes that men are flunking.
Didn't know me as well as you thought you did, did you? Maybe if you were interested in stereotyping and applying what can be learned from it, you would know that any female HERE, (and especially one who has earned enough respect to be blue or better), is quite different from the average brainless twats that crowd our planet.
But you prefer to be the lone wolf and "be yourself" even if it doesn't benefit you, right? Well you have shown quite a few times now how severely debilitating that can be.
However, you are not the person I seek.
Oh sweet jesus. I'm so fucking sad I want to cry.
Edited by ceruleansteel (07/20/09 03:22 PM)
Edit Reason: heading off another round of stupidity at the pass
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#37418 - 04/06/10 04:45 AM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
[Re: Dimitri]
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Dakota
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I can't even stereotype myself, since I am a new stereotype all by itself.
I guess my nationality' being Japanese, guess I am good at math? lol
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#39796 - 07/02/10 04:44 AM
Re: Stereotyping Yourself
[Re: ceruleansteel]
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Dakota
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I never used steriotypes to gain advantage of others, I should though, but there's this one steriotype I always wanted to be.
The Dumb Blonde.
It's just really hot, I love how the dumb blonde can make men do whatever she wants just because she's attractive and dumb enough to not really use it.
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