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#7518 - 04/11/08 11:42 PM shapeshifting
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Greetings,

How many believe in shapeshifting? Do you believe people can actually change physicaly into a animal? a native medicine man I learned from said in the old days the old medicine men could physically change, ut the ability was lost. Also think about all the cultures all over the world that didn't have contact in ancient time's tho they all have storys of shapeshifters. Any thoughts on the subject?


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#7519 - 04/12/08 12:22 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: alfgar]
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If my legs get wet - i turn into a mermaid Alfgar.
Shapeshifting would half to occur on a cellular level, where most of the cells in your body somehow changes forms... what's the genetic theory behind shapeshifting?
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#7526 - 04/12/08 04:49 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: alfgar]
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Alright Alfgar,

Your posts have been kinda strange, and I have refrained... did I just rhyme? I'm a poet, and I didn't know it.

Ok.

How about this:

Shapeshifting is plausible, but perhaps not neccesarily by the definitions of which we are accustomed.

Does that make any sense?

If I decide I want to "become" a certain thing, usually an animal form, there is nothing stopping me from actually doing this. This must be taken in the context of other threads in this forum, of course. I am an eagle, I am a crocodile, I am a God... or more particularly, I am Thoth. Why not?

Is this a question of witness? Of subjectivity? Who can say? If I was chilin' with the bro's after ingesting large quantities of ayahuasca, and decided that the great bear was with me, would they see it as well? Would it matter?

"Bigfoot is my daddy and he wants to protect me!"

Seriously, though, and I have been serious throughout this post - I've heard of the wearing of furs, or feathers, aids in this "transition". You must ask yourself, though, what is to gain, and why would I do this? If this is to gain a certain power, or knowledge that you believe this particular animal or god-form possesses, then I'd say "go for it".

If you're going to rely on others to validate your experience - if they do or do not, this is of no consequence. If you truly become the wolf, then you "are" the wolf.
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#7527 - 04/12/08 04:50 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: alfgar]
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Stories of 'shapeshifters' likely originate from the practice of astral projection and it's many analogues.

When exploring the many and varied astral realms it can be useful to employ an astral body suitably 'tuned' to the ambience of the place. A bestial form may be better suited to the lower, more emotional end of the astral spectrum, with more angelic forms coming into play in the higher strata.

Since most shamanic practices I've heard of involved some form of astral projection, it would seem that this would be the source of the stories you've heard. As these techniques filtered down into ears unfamiliar with the context, these became tales of shapeshifters, werewolves, ghouls, etc., who could change their physical body -- either at will or involuntarily.

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#7584 - 04/13/08 01:26 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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well, from the web pages I researched state that a human can physically change, that you can't change your genes into anotherm also you can't take a adult and bring it down to the size of a rabbit. they gave 3 types of shapeshifting.

1] dream state[ where when one is dreaming they transform into a animal.
2] meditation[ where one goes into a medative state visualises the animal and see'e the animal enter you, and becoming one.
3] I forgot what they call it, but what you do is study the animal its abilitys and charcter, then assume by seeing your seeing and physically doing what they do, like getting into there head. this method they carry the animal within them always. The first 2 are temporal.

Now the most common reasons used by tribal people were to use the animals abilitys for hunting,battle,courage, and to be closer to nature.


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#7585 - 04/13/08 01:30 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: alfgar]
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Oh... I thought you meant like warewolf and stuff. Like my bones morph into a dog shaped body and i grow a snout and fangs.

If thats what you mean by shapeshifying - do you know how many Americans shapeshift into potatoes everyday in front of the tv set watching Oprah and Star Jones?

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#7664 - 04/13/08 11:50 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Yes, I did mean the werewolf type. But the web says its impossible to physically shapeshift except for those 3 methods. but if it was possible you would make a beautiful she-wolf.

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#7665 - 04/13/08 11:57 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: alfgar]
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 Originally Posted By: alfgar
Yes, I did mean the werewolf type. But the web says its impossible to physically shapeshift except for those 3 methods. but if it was possible you would make a beautiful she-wolf.

alfgar


LOL... Thanx. I would be a snowwolf, with all white fur.

This reminds me of an 80's movie I saw. I don't remember the name of it, but i'd like to see it again. It was about this guy and girl who loved each other, but a witch put a curse on the both of them so they can never love each other. The guy would turn into a n eagle during the day, and the girl would turn into a wolf at night? They go around to find a spell to break the curse.

Alfgar, the closest thing I've seen to real, genuine shapeshifting or warewolves is that one genetic condition when the people are born with fur on their face.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtPG1OokzGo

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#7670 - 04/14/08 01:56 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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that film is lady oke the guy in wolf black one and
the lady in falcon,
the best part when he gose in the churc whit the horse
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#7693 - 04/14/08 09:22 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: frank]
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 Originally Posted By: frank
that film is lady oke the guy in wolf black one and
the lady in falcon,
the best part when he gose in the churc whit the horse


LADY! It that the name of the film...ok I got it all backwards. I saw it when i was little. I'm gunna see it again and keep an eye out for the Church seen. Is it a sex scene?

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#7695 - 04/14/08 09:48 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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You want to be a SNOWwolf? I can help. ;\) All I have to do is cover you all up! LOL. Anywayyy~~ To the topic:

My take on shapeshifting would have to be the general idea here, y=I don't believe you can physically change yourself at will. You can get inside the mind of the target to shapeshift into, you can know it and study it, and become it mentally, but I don't believe you can change on a genetic level to actually become something else.
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#7707 - 04/14/08 06:40 PM Lycanthrophic Metamorphosis [Re: alfgar]
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How To Become A Werewolf:

http://www.playspoon.com/twi/howto.html#3

Abridged from Anton LaVey's 'The Devil's Notebook' (it's long enough anyway).

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#7710 - 04/14/08 08:23 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Actually for accuracy's sake the name of the film was 'LadyHawke'. I love that film also. I caught it recently again on Cable.

As far as morphing goes, when I was little I wished on EVERY fist star, shooting star and birthday cake etc, that when I grew up I wanted to be a 6' Black Woman, but surprise surprise, it still didn't happen. And it certainly wasn't for a lack of trying or belief.

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#7712 - 04/14/08 08:38 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
Actually for accuracy's sake the name of the film was 'LadyHawke'. I love that film also. I caught it recently again on Cable.

As far as morphing goes, when I was little I wished on EVERY fist star, shooting star and birthday cake etc, that when I grew up I wanted to be a 6' Black Woman, but surprise surprise, it still didn't happen. And it certainly wasn't for a lack of trying or belief.

Zeph






LadyHawk! Thank you Zeph.

A six foot tall black lady? Thats the most unique wish I've ever heard, from a little australian girl? Why? Basketball? What if you got your wish in a different way... like your a black girl in spirit \:\)

I wished for a Rambo knife when I was small. I saw how cool it was. I still don't have one :p

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#7713 - 04/14/08 08:53 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I wished for a Rambo knife when I was small. I saw how cool it was. I still don't have one :p


LMFAO. I still remember the day I got myself a Rambo knife for one of my teenage birthdays. Had fish hooks and line in the handle. A compass in the top. Sharp as shit. I cut myself with it the same day. Funny story about that birthday. I had a friend that had bone cancer as a kid and had lost his leg as a result. He had a "wooden" leg. He was at my house for my birthday. I had invited another friend over. He didn't know my friend had a fake leg. So he shows up and we are checking out my gifts and shooting the shit like typical kids. My friend with the fake leg grabs my Rambo knife and slams it into his fake leg with authority. My other friend turned ghost white and his eyes damned near hit the floor. Fake leg showed him the fake leg and he calmed down. It was magical. I miss my Rambo knife and one legged friend.
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#7714 - 04/14/08 08:53 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I just thought they were beautiful and exotic and TALL.

Where I was brought up in the Adelaide Hills, Italians were considered ethnic and there were NO aboriginals let alone Africans. Lots of German towns though, funny about that....

Thankfully, I didn't become a Wigga or anything. I think that the whole hiphop culture changed how I felt about all that.

Oh the things we want when we are kids.

A bowie knife? LOL

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#7717 - 04/14/08 09:07 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
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I wished for a Rambo knife when I was small. I saw how cool it was. I still don't have one :p


LMFAO. I still remember the day I got myself a Rambo knife for one of my teenage birthdays. Had fish hooks and line in the handle. A compass in the top. Sharp as shit. I cut myself with it the same day. Funny story about that birthday. I had a friend that had bone cancer as a kid and had lost his leg as a result. He had a "wooden" leg. He was at my house for my birthday. I had invited another friend over. He didn't know my friend had a fake leg. So he shows up and we are checking out my gifts and shooting the shit like typical kids. My friend with the fake leg grabs my Rambo knife and slams it into his fake leg with authority. My other friend turned ghost white and his eyes damned near hit the floor. Fake leg showed him the fake leg and he calmed down. It was magical. I miss my Rambo knife and one legged friend.


LOL! That was almost sad. Bone cancer that young? Poor guy.

I wanted one because of all the stuff jammed into it, and because Rambo used that shit like magic; like how the A-Team could turn shit like gum and wires into a bazooka. My parents wouldn't let me have one. I never knew what they were called.
Bowie knives... thanks Zeph. I'll look for them on ebay. I use to search store for them, and could never find one so i thought they stopped making them. David Bowie... what a weirdo.

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#7721 - 04/14/08 09:45 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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He died before we graduated. He was responsible for teaching me how to sail a boat. Even with one leg and a bad arm, he could sail the shit out of a boat. He also set up a military training camp for me when I announced my decision to join the military and become either a hit man for the mafia or a mercenary. I don't think any of the drill seargents I had in basic could compare to the rigors he put me through. We even conducted live fire exercises, with the bullets coming very damned close!!

Bowie knives, pig stickers, or Arkansas toothpicks are a style of knives originally developed by Colonel James Bowie. You know Kayla, I may still have that Rambo knife stashed away somewhere in my parent's home. Maybe I could just send it to you. If you are hell bent on buying a knife, I have a great catalog full of them. I just don't have an issue currently, and don't remember the name. LOL.
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#7722 - 04/14/08 09:46 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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David Bowie... what a weirdo


Nooooo! Don't say that about GOD. LOL just joking about the God thing, but David Bowie ahhh that man was SEXY.

He was actually the first gender bender and one of the first boys to wear makeup and still fuck girls (although he didn't mind fucking the odd boy either), he's now married with children.

Origianlly his name was David Jones, but because of Davey Jones from 'The Monkeys' (the US answer to the beatles) he changed it. Can't remember the significance of bowie off the top of my head, but there was one.

Ziggy Stardust......aw yummy. Alice Cooper, David Bowie, I had a real thing for men in makeup when I was a young girl, I think though, that all those 80's hair bands cured me of that.

Well that and Boy George, now HE was one ugly mutha.

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#7725 - 04/14/08 09:54 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Noooo! Boy George is a Goddess! I like Boy George. I heard he shaprshifted into a bald street cleaner \:\)

The only thing I know about David Bowie is he did that China Girl song (which is the only song I know from him) and that he looked pretty in that movie with the elves? Legend was it? I can remember. I thought he was a woman in the movie at first. I'm not good with movie Zeph.

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#7726 - 04/14/08 10:00 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
He died before we graduated. He was responsible for teaching me how to sail a boat. Even with one leg and a bad arm, he could sail the shit out of a boat. He also set up a military training camp for me when I announced my decision to join the military and become either a hit man for the mafia or a mercenary. I don't think any of the drill seargents I had in basic could compare to the rigors he put me through. We even conducted live fire exercises, with the bullets coming very damned close!!

Bowie knives, pig stickers, or Arkansas toothpicks are a style of knives originally developed by Colonel James Bowie. You know Kayla, I may still have that Rambo knife stashed away somewhere in my parent's home. Maybe I could just send it to you. If you are hell bent on buying a knife, I have a great catalog full of them. I just don't have an issue currently, and don't remember the name. LOL.


Awe, god, what a sad life. At least he saw beyond his handicap and did all he did like that.

I thought sending knives thru the mail was illegal? What's the catalog called? I don't want you to get in trouble. I still want one, just for old time's sake. I'll hang it between my poster of Rambo and George Bush.

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#7727 - 04/14/08 10:07 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Buck knives Buckmaster 184 was clearly the Cadillac of survival knives...

I believe that they were discontinued in 97...

You can still find them on eBay and if you can find one in new condition it will chop a pack of cigarettes in half cleanly with one chop...

Looking at these I wonder what year my step brother had his as it was a model 184 with the notch in the blade as shown for the bayonet model... This works with the sheath and locks into it and now cuts through fence and heavy wire like butter...

Buckmaster

This site also shows all three Rambo knives...

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#7729 - 04/14/08 10:15 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: ta2zz]
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Thanks Tats! God that blade on that Buck 184 is sexy! Navy Seals use it too. I bet you could skin a deer with it. I came close to a deer once this one time when I was at the grand canyon. I put salt on my palm and walked up to it, and got close enough for it to lick the salt of my hand. If i had that knife... I'd kill it, use the knife to make a fire; that use it to build a shelter. I'll try to look for the Buck on eBay.

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#8119 - 04/23/08 01:33 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: fakepropht]
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lady hawk rambo knife one leg freind GOD whats next!!!!
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#8123 - 04/23/08 04:52 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: gods418]
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I bet it's some new guy posting a random one liner comment with the word god in caps...

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#49193 - 02/20/11 02:46 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: fakepropht]
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'Sociopathy' is something to be cultivated along with what is 'esoteric empathy', one without the other would be indicative of the laughing stock that is a mundane sociopathic ego oblivious to itself that we will encounter living a parasitic lifestyle leeching from lame game to sustain delusions of grandeur. The Satanist is above such self deceit and is aware of what He/ She is doing. The understanding/ recognition of human emotions/ behaviours enables the Sinister individual through empathy, as a social animal, to alter his persona (which is only an abstraction of his nature) to assert his Will into any situation, subtle like water permeating the cracks of a rigid rock formation, He is also dynamic, fluent.

Do not be deluded by your Christian name and other imposed nonsense of the ego, have confidence and be vitalised. adjust to the objective at hand and assert your Sinister nature into all situations.
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#49197 - 02/20/11 03:10 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Hegesias]
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
'Sociopathy' is something to be cultivated along with what is 'esoteric empathy', one without the other would be indicative of the laughing stock that is a mundane sociopathic ego oblivious to itself that we will encounter living a parasitic lifestyle leeching from lame game to sustain delusions of grandeur. The Satanist is above such self deceit and is aware of what He/ She is doing. The understanding/ recognition of human emotions/ behaviours enables the Sinister individual through empathy, as a social animal, to alter his persona (which is only an abstraction of his nature) to assert his Will into any situation, subtle like water permeating the cracks of a rigid rock formation, He is also dynamic, fluent.

Do not be deluded by your Christian name and other imposed nonsense of the ego, have confidence and be vitalised. adjust to the objective at hand and assert your Sinister nature into all situations.


So random. How is this relevant to the thread?

I expect that a sociopath would be entirely indifferent to concepts such as esoteric empathy and/or the Sinister.

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#49198 - 02/20/11 03:38 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Simon Jester]
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The shapeshifting connection was no doubt in relation to a sociopaths innate ability for deception.

However, I would argue that an individual prone to random and uncontrolled acts of violence/criminality is by definition un-satanic.


The DSM-IV Definition of Sociopathy:

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Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a lack of regard for the moral or legal standards in the local culture. There is a marked inability to get along with others or abide by societal rules. Individuals with this disorder are sometimes called psychopaths or sociopaths.


Diagnostic Criteria (DSM-IV)

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1. Since the age of fifteen there has been a disregard for and violation of the right's of others, those right's considered normal by the local culture, as indicated by at least three of the following:
A. Repeated acts that could lead to arrest.
B. Conning for pleasure or profit, repeated lying, or the use of aliases.
C. Failure to plan ahead or being impulsive.
D. Repeated assaults on others.
E. Reckless when it comes to their or others safety.
F. Poor work behavior or failure to honor financial obligations.
G. Rationalizing the pain they inflict on others.

2. At least eighteen years in age.

3. Evidence of a Conduct Disorder, with its onset before the age of fifteen.

4. Symptoms not due to another mental disorder.

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#49215 - 02/20/11 11:42 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: fakepropht]
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My understanding of the historical concept behind the archetypal 'Werewolf/Lycanthrope' is with the advent of carnivorous / omnivorous Man, the spirit of the hunt came into being and thus animal pelts were worn for magical/spiritual reasons.

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We are all descended from males of the carnivorous lycanthropic variety, a mutation evolved under the pressure of hunger caused by the climatic change at the end of the Pluvial period (120,000 and 90,000 BCE), which induced indiscriminate, even cannibalistic predatory aggression, culminating in the rape and sometimes even in the devouring of the females of the original peaceful fruit-eating bon sauvage remaining in the primeval virgin forests.
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#49221 - 02/20/11 12:53 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Moravagine]
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With no distinction between who may be the honourable/ noble and who may be uncultured/ ignoble of character in these 'charts', which happen to attempt to put all sociopathic personalities into one basket, of somehow handicapped/ lacking persons.

Mundanes have no concept of what personal honour/ nobility is and will only seek contentment in convincing themselves that somehow, as if nature herself had specifically given them superior emotions and that somehow, the more complex individual they cannot understand is completely devoid of all understanding such as they. The simple fact remains that less complex organisms including hubris mundanes, have a lot less going on to quicken their intellectual activity let alone emotional drive/ response. The typical Nazarene assimilate will conceptualise pity as being the Source of what is empathy, himself being totally detached from his own base nature in the western materialist paradigm etc.

Obviously compassion ought to be reserved for those who deserve it and those situations that call upon our nature to be so, and not spread out in some kind of theatrical way to convince ones self of being 'a good person' that will be accepted. An Atheist with a low emotional intelligence will react similarly to cognitive dissonance but instead of the conceited act of praying, they will turn to magian academics and 'prove that they are right', simply by being in agreement to Nazarene order.

Society will demonise anyone who displays 'narcissism' and conclude that the individual is solely 'based upon' using others with a total lack of empathy/ emotion. The meek, in their conceitedness of wishful thinking, assume they have superior emotions due to their infantile lack of control and public displays of base shallow emotion. Likewise, Sinister/ severe/ sobering intimacy can never be experienced with a mundane because they are detached from what is Dark empathy, they in their numbness/ obliviousness, will instead require constant reassurance that their partner even likes them ie. 'I love you'. when a Sinister individual simply recognises the intent of those around Him/ Her due to His/ Her innate esoteric empathy that will resonate strongly with His/ Her own Sinister kind.

I am not impressed by Nazarene moral guidelines being mixed in with what are Dark areas of human psychology by those of outside observation.
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#76570 - 05/22/13 12:38 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: alfgar]
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 Originally Posted By: alfgar
Greetings,

How many believe in shapeshifting? Do you believe people can actually change physicaly into a animal? a native medicine man I learned from said in the old days the old medicine men could physically change, ut the ability was lost. Also think about all the cultures all over the world that didn't have contact in ancient time's tho they all have storys of shapeshifters. Any thoughts on the subject?


alfgar


It sounds to me like the OP is referring to either Skin-Walkers or Wendigo. North American legends/lore. Some people do really believe in the literal transformation. This really deals in the way man's nature is transformed when he becomes ravenous with the taste of human blood. The Superstitions and stories stem from a genuine fear of your fellow man.

In some regard, I suppose there is a literal change in the human archetype, but not in the manner the OP intended (or at least implied).

A movie I can highly recommend is Ravenous, 1999 starring Guy Pierce. One of my favorite Cannibal films. It has a comedic flair to it.



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#76576 - 05/22/13 02:39 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: SIN3]
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I'm more inclined to belief the OP searches for an extraordinary explanation for Therianthropy. For all it matters, therianthropy is mostly associated with extreme psychosis or a special case of schizophrenia. While certain cases probably have to do with what you mentioned as "genuine fear of your fellow men" I'm more convinced it's a psychological disorder which extrapolates such a fear.
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#76583 - 05/22/13 05:12 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Dimitri]
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Clinically speaking, it can pass over into Mental-illness, no doubt. Though, I've seen my fair share of rational Therians/Otherkin, though the 'belief' itself may seem far out there.

I suppose it can correlate to discussions about 'Spirit' and what that is to the individual. People that claim they experience visions, past-lives, or phantom limbs/body parts can be perceived as having mental-illness. I suppose it's no more whacky than believing in Re-incarnation, an afterlife, or Entities for that matter.

As an Atheist myself, I couldn't relate to this kind of thing at all in my youth. In my adult life I can (at the very least) understand it from the point of creating one's own personal "Reality" so to speak. Granted, none of this exists in Objective Reality outside the brains of the people that have those subjective experiences but arguing a UPG is like beating a dead horse.

In my personal experience with other Atheists, many believe in all kinds of things that fall under the identifier of Paranormal/Supernatural. Shape-shifting among them.
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#76623 - 05/24/13 03:28 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: SIN3]
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Personally I find the whole idea of pepole transforming themselves into animals as a rather silly concept. After all a man can no more become an animal then a hunk of granite can become a stone.

That said, a skilled artist can indeed alter the form and function of the stone at hand. And when given the proper tools can often do so quite rapidly as well.

I too am an artist, I am simply one which prefers to work my tools in living flesh.
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#76892 - 06/05/13 10:52 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Rivenstar]
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Yes Shapeshifting is very real. The DNA is still around and has been hidden through various bloodlines through the years. There are different techniques where some do it with their mind and take control of a certain animal, this has to do more with the soul or spirit of that person. While very select few are gifted or cursed enough to be able to transform into a certain evolved species. Myths are not just myths there is a reason they exist.
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#76897 - 06/06/13 06:24 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Ea Enki Aywa]
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If shape shifting is "very real", I would like to see some studies or articles pertaining to those claim. The human mind controlling animals makes me belief you've been reading Terry Pratchett.

Myths indeed have a reason to exist, but not so much by reason the things they describe/foretell are true to the letter...
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#76900 - 06/06/13 08:09 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Dimitri]
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If men can kill people by remote viewing using the power of the mind, why can't gifted men and women do this ? There are no limits to what the mind can do.
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#76903 - 06/06/13 08:21 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Rivenstar]
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I suppose it's like being your own architect designing your archetypal structure then living as the form. Not exactly the same thing as shedding your meat bag in favor of releasing an animal inside of it but we are all beasts.
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#76904 - 06/06/13 08:24 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: evilboy666]
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Care to put that to the test? Any experimentation in RV can't prevent information leakage, so there's no real Scientific basis that you can affect a person with RV but feel free to try
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#76907 - 06/06/13 09:53 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Ea Enki Aywa]
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Myths are not just myths there is a reason they exist.


You finally said something that makes sense if I ignore the rest of your post.

Myths come from humans not understanding phenomenon and filling gaps.

Shapeshifters are a great example of this. The myths behind it are based on several things, one of the biggest being Beserkers (look them up sometime).

People didn't literally turn into animals. That's silly.


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#76910 - 06/06/13 10:05 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: FemaleSatan]
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In the beginning the Elite Royal Bloodlines with pure DNA had the ability to change form as they please. Eventually they abused their powers and ended up crossing themselves against themselves for the hunger of greed and power. They became their own worst enemy. The Universe turned on these beings and these beings were either killed or locked away. Most thought the DNA had been lost or died off but through human evolution the once hidden DNA has returned select beings. This is not by chance as nothing is by chance. Only the righteous are now allowed these gifts. Understand creation and reincarnation.
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#76912 - 06/06/13 10:14 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Ea Enki Aywa]
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Good lawd you're one of those Annunaki bloodline guys.

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In the beginning the Elite Royal Bloodlines with pure DNA had the ability to change form as they please. Eventually they abused their powers and ended up crossing themselves against themselves for the hunger of greed and power. They became their own worst enemy.


Yes, I am well aware of Sitchen's work and honestly, you missed my point when you went on this little detour (he's derailing his OWN topic, wow).

My point was that myth is caused by humans misunderstanding natural phenomenon.

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They became their own worst enemy. The Universe turned on these beings and these beings were either killed or locked away.


See this is the part I don't get when it comes to what you believe. You have just retold a version of the fall from grace myth, yet you say the source is everything. Which is it? If this source of the source you believe in is everything, than there is no good or evil. The Elite Royal Bloodlines can't fall from grace, if you buy the bullshit you are trying to sell.
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#76914 - 06/06/13 10:23 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: FemaleSatan]
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You are reading into it too much and making assumptions. Those who fell had to experience the fall. Truth is they were deceived into believing they fell. Therefore they had to rise above the newly experienced human emotions and feelings that they had never felt until incarnating into human form. This is the fall. Forgetting the perfectness from which they came and living and experiencing a new existence of Life. This new experienced separated them from the source but if these beings chose to seek the answers which were hidden from them they could fully reconnect and bring the Fire to Earth.

There is only divine guidance in the Universe. We learn lessons to not repeat our past choices. To evolve. To grow. To become who we were born to be. To be one with the infinite and spread the fire of our personal intention and creation.

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#76918 - 06/06/13 10:39 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Ea Enki Aywa]
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You are reading into it too much and making assumptions. Those who fell had to experience the fall. Truth is they were deceived into believing they fell. Therefore they had to rise above the newly experienced human emotions and feelings that they had never felt until incarnating into human form. This is the fall. Forgetting the perfectness from which they came and living and experiencing a new existence of Life. This new experienced separated them from the source but if these beings chose to seek the answers which were hidden from them they could fully reconnect and bring the Fire to Earth.



This is so funny. Check it out man:

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The good news is that God included sin and suffering in His plan for creation. How can this be? The explanation is found in the Bible, which speaks of Godís plan for man and creation. Let us consider several reasons why a good God has incorporated manís fall and its consequences into His plan for creation.

(1) Godís response to the fall of man demonstrates His glory. Godís dealings with sinful men most effectively manifest His glory:

Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, ďThe Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generationsĒ (Exodus 34:6-7).

Godís purpose is to demonstrate His glory. Since the way He deals with sin reveals His glory, the fall of man is included in Godís plan for creation. The fall of man is the context in which Godís glory is revealed.


http://bible.org/seriespage/fall-man-god%E2%80%99s-perfect-plan



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60. What are the chief punishments of Adam which we inherit through original sin?

The chief punishments of Adam which we inherit through original sin are death, suffering, ignorance, and a strong inclination to sin.

(a) The fact of original sin explains why man is so often tempted to evil and why he so easily turns from God.

(b) Because of the ignorance resulting from original sin, the mind of man has difficulty in knowing many necessary truths, easily falls into error, and is more inclined to consider temporal than eternal things.

(c) The penalties of original sin--death, suffering, ignorance, and a strong inclination to sin--remain after Baptism, even though original sin is taken away.

(d) Although we have a strong inclination to evil as a result of original sin, our nature is not evil in itself; it can perform some good actions in the natural order without the aid of grace.


http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/goda42a.htm


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#76920 - 06/06/13 10:46 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: FemaleSatan]
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Do not ever defend an argument against me with scripture. That is all I have to say about that.

God is just a word used to manipulate and control and deceive the weak.

Those who know the truth do not call God God because there are many Gods and to call the Supreme Authority God is an insult to the Supreme Authority.

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#76921 - 06/06/13 11:16 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Ea Enki Aywa]
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You missed the point again man.

Everything you are saying, is being said by Christians about their God and his reason for doing things, including the fall of man.

So, um yeah, you can act like there is something wise to what you are spewing on here, but you have simply repackaged Christianity.
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#76923 - 06/06/13 11:39 AM Re: shapeshifting [Re: FemaleSatan]
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Wrong. I closed and burned the book and decided to seek the truth out for myself in nature. I will honor the Forces of Nature while you continue to believe what you believe. All of nature is behind me and my words. One can honor themselves and say they are god while a wiser one shall honor the elements which make up themself know there is no such thing as god.

As far as Christianity...Jesus is the greatest deceiver in the history of mankind. Yes he is Christ and yes he is the light but his light is made from the Fire. He seems to forget he has a a brother that existed well before he could even think. This brother held all authority and was stripped of all authority because of the fear others had of this power.

Why did Horus attack SET for the throne? Because Horus knows the throne is not rightfully his, Horus just chooses to impersonate the throne and lead others into worshipping his own image. Horus knows his time is short because SET is eternal and his dominion and authority will last well beyond the flesh.

Frankly the angels are sick of Horus (Jesus) and his deceptive bullshit and they want their true King back. The Chief Engineer of the Human Race The Seedplanter of Planet Earth. HE SET HIMSELF. So when the Bible says Satan himself will be transformed into a being of light they are correct as it is the reign and return of The True Lord.

Sure Jesus will come back and kill with a single word but that is not the point. The blood will be on Jesus' hands and he will be the murderer and all the world will get to see the coward for who he truly is.

Do not be afraid of the abyss. That is point zero. That is where we originated from. We come from a perfect state of being and we shall return to a perfect state of being. I have seen my tomb in the abyss and it looks like a red glowing fingernail. When I am done with my mission of FATE I shall return to my resting place for an eternity of peace. While my brother's are stuck cleaning up their own mess. Damn dog's shitting everywhere barking just to be heard. Can't even clean up their own shit. Absolutely useless.

"Sharrrrron Sharon Sharrrrrron the dogs are shitting everywhere!" -Ozzy

That sums it all up in one quote.

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#76929 - 06/06/13 12:56 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: alfgar]
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Greetings,

How many believe in shapeshifting? Do you believe people can actually change physicaly into a animal? a native medicine man I learned from said in the old days the old medicine men could physically change, ut the ability was lost. Also think about all the cultures all over the world that didn't have contact in ancient time's tho they all have storys of shapeshifters. Any thoughts on the subject?


alfgar


Transfiguration is the theme, where did the idea come from? why would one want to tranform into something no way associated with the weak human form? well, observation of the natural order things made man envious ... envious of creatures who could withstand the trials of nature.

In my youth I would listen to stories how witch doctors would tranform themselves into animals ... animals supposively intended to do harm on others, how this was acheived was never revealed to me, yet others seem to believe it was/still possible. I have read old text about native american customs that would render a person invisible with a herbal mixture ... probally true for shapeshifting in the context of the Americas, I'm sure Europe had similar methods. More than likely they were concoctions that made men hallucinate, but you never know ...

I have heard of the ostrich people of Africa (people with three toes), men born with tails, the wolfperson of Mexico, and other oddities in Ripley's Believe It Or Not.

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#76937 - 06/06/13 07:24 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Ea Enki Aywa]
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 Originally Posted By: Ea Enki Aywa
In the beginning the Elite Royal Bloodlines with pure DNA had the ability to change form as they please. Eventually they abused their powers and ended up crossing themselves against themselves for the hunger of greed and power. They became their own worst enemy. The Universe turned on these beings and these beings were either killed or locked away. Most thought the DNA had been lost or died off but through human evolution the once hidden DNA has returned select beings. This is not by chance as nothing is by chance. Only the righteous are now allowed these gifts. Understand creation and reincarnation.


I've seen that tv show, I think it's great. A way for man to exercise his imagination. The same premise has been used in films, such as Blade III, with Drake's Shapeshifting ability. His skin was essentially like the scales of a Serpent and lot's of borrowing from the myths of Sumer and Babylon! \:D
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#76938 - 06/06/13 07:28 PM Re: shapeshifting [Re: Ea Enki Aywa]
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This post reminded me of some of the early writings of the Society of Dark Lily. I had a SoDL quote tacked up on my fridge for years:

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Man is born out of Darkness and to Darkness he will return. It is then, and only then will he realize his own immortality...
(I'm paraphrasing it from memory) I think you'll get the jist.
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